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Amerilia
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Posted - 2009.03.20 15:32:00 -
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Well here the problem: with the new mission system, everytime you decline a mission you get another one. That is very bad in two cases: first, if you want t do no more mission for the agent, or accidently spoke to the wrong agent you cant get rid of the missions. Except for doing one and then not accept it anymore, but thats not always a possbility. and secondly, if you dont want to do a storyline mission, as yoiu might fight against empire factions, you have no cahnce of getting to decline it. It just says you taht you cant decline because the agent has no toher mission. (I filed both as bug report already) As I didnt want to do two missions I petioned it to get rid of those mission, but the GM answer was kinda like "It¦s not a bug, it¦s a feature". Maybe trolling in the forum helps to get rid of this problem faster, so troll! (it usually helps..)
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Eve Spair
Caldari Nova Prospekt Initiative
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Posted - 2009.03.20 15:34:00 -
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you can let non-accepted missions expire with no loss to standing.
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Amerilia
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Posted - 2009.03.20 15:35:00 -
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Did they change that with the patch? As, before Apocrpypha, if you let a mission expire you lose standing.
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Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.20 15:39:00 -
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Hmm good thread, nice to know, would freak out if that happened.
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2009.03.20 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Amerilia Did they change that with the patch? As, before Apocrpypha, if you let a mission expire you lose standing.
Only if you had accepted it.
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Amerilia
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Posted - 2009.03.20 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII
Originally by: Amerilia Did they change that with the patch? As, before Apocrpypha, if you let a mission expire you lose standing.
Only if you had accepted it.
Until about 2 weeks before Apocrypha I thought so too, but the agent mailed me how displeased he his and I lost standing. Mission was only "offered" not "accepted"
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.03.20 15:44:00 -
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1) Missions that expire no longer cause standing loss (accepted or not) 2) Go to a different station, and decline from there. Agent whines you're not in his station and won't give a new mission. ---
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2009.03.20 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Amerilia
Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII
Originally by: Amerilia Did they change that with the patch? As, before Apocrpypha, if you let a mission expire you lose standing.
Only if you had accepted it.
Until about 2 weeks before Apocrypha I thought so too, but the agent mailed me how displeased he his and I lost standing. Mission was only "offered" not "accepted"
I'd definately petition that as a bug then.
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Amerilia
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Posted - 2009.03.20 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII
Originally by: Amerilia
Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII
Originally by: Amerilia Did they change that with the patch? As, before Apocrpypha, if you let a mission expire you lose standing.
Only if you had accepted it.
Until about 2 weeks before Apocrypha I thought so too, but the agent mailed me how displeased he his and I lost standing. Mission was only "offered" not "accepted"
I'd definately petition that as a bug then.
All my bug reports ended with the answer "its not a bug its a feature". I gave up on reporting.
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2009.03.20 15:52:00 -
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Oh well maybe one day ccp will earn enough rl isk to hire some programmers that can actually code, the monkeys from the local zoo just aren't up to scratch any more :(
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Amerilia
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Posted - 2009.03.20 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah 1) Missions that expire no longer cause standing loss (accepted or not) 2) Go to a different station, and decline from there. Agent whines you're not in his station and won't give a new mission.
Well 2nd does not work on important missions. didnt try on a normal one yet.
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Reynolds
Minmatar Third Return Inc. Blue Sun Trust
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Posted - 2009.03.20 16:09:00 -
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They expire with no penalty, since the expansion
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Amerilia
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Posted - 2009.03.20 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Reynolds They expire with no penalty, since the expansion
The GM should have told me that, instead of just saying that its a feature to not get rid of them.
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langaidin
GANK STARZ
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Posted - 2009.03.20 18:35:00 -
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Edited by: langaidin on 20/03/2009 18:35:11 Only with Storyline (Important) missions will an eve-mail be sent. You should not loose any Standings unless you have accepted the mission though.
If you run missions for more than one faction i.e.; faction A and faction B. You will loose standings if one agent (Faction A) has you run a mission against a faction you have standings with. (Faction B)
*spelling*
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Kyra Felann
Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2009.03.20 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: langaidin Edited by: langaidin on 20/03/2009 18:35:11 Only with Storyline (Important) missions will an eve-mail be sent. You should not loose any Standings unless you have accepted the mission though.
If you run missions for more than one faction i.e.; faction A and faction B. You will loose standings if one agent (Faction A) has you run a mission against a faction you have standings with. (Faction B)
*spelling*
It's "lose". You lose standings. "Loose" is the opposite of "tight".
I normally wouldn't point this out, because I'd never have time to do anything else on these forums, but since you edited for spelling and didn't fix that, I figure you might like to know.
Also, in before accusations of being a grammar/spelling ****.
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Jarna
Amarr Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2009.03.20 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Amerilia
Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII
Originally by: Amerilia Did they change that with the patch? As, before Apocrpypha, if you let a mission expire you lose standing.
Only if you had accepted it.
Until about 2 weeks before Apocrypha I thought so too, but the agent mailed me how displeased he his and I lost standing. Mission was only "offered" not "accepted"
Same here.
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Lucas Tigh
East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.03.20 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII Oh well maybe one day ccp will earn enough rl isk to hire some programmers that can actually code, the monkeys from the local zoo just aren't up to scratch any more :(
As a programmer, I resent that. The arrogance of most customers when it comes to programming really irritates me. They all seem to think that the code of the product should be flawless and impeccable. When you're dealing with a code base as massive as EVE's, bugs are expected and tolerable.
Yes, I realize that you're paying for the product, but all MMOs have bugs.
Now kindly stop insulting the people that made the game you play possible unless you can do a better job. -------------------------------------
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Jarna
Amarr Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2009.03.20 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Lucas Tigh Edited by: Lucas Tigh on 20/03/2009 20:47:07
Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII Oh well maybe one day ccp will earn enough rl isk to hire some programmers that can actually code, the monkeys from the local zoo just aren't up to scratch any more :(
As a programmer, I resent that. That kind of arrogance, that most customers nowadays seem to think they are entitled to, when it comes to programming really irritates me and the rest of the coding community. They all seem to think that the code of a product should be flawless and impeccable. When you're dealing with a code base as massive as EVE's, bugs are expected and tolerable.
Yes, I realize that you're paying for the product, but all MMOs have bugs.
Now kindly stop insulting the people that made the game you play possible unless you can do a better job.
And as a programmer I can also see that CCP doesn't handle "features" properly. At least Blizzard owns up to their bugs and attempts to fix them in a timely manner, not just let them fester into a sore so big it will never be fixable one day.
Yes, all MMOs have bugs, but not as many as I've seen in this game that have been left unattended. Another CCP suckup? I know programs will have bugs, but they shouldn't have them at this level, and even if they do, they should be addressed much more quickly and they shouldn't be so disregarded as if to make the players look stupid after filing a petition and having an auto-reply feature that tells them it's not a bug, but a friggin feature.
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Lucas Tigh
East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.03.20 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Jarna And as a programmer I can also see that CCP doesn't handle "features" properly. At least Blizzard owns up to their bugs and attempts to fix them in a timely manner, not just let them fester into a sore so big it will never be fixable one day.
Yes, all MMOs have bugs, but not as many as I've seen in this game that have been left unattended. Another CCP suckup? I know programs will have bugs, but they shouldn't have them at this level, and even if they do, they should be addressed much more quickly and they shouldn't be so disregarded as if to make the players look stupid after filing a petition and having an auto-reply feature that tells them it's not a bug, but a friggin feature.
Never meant to imply that CCP's system is perfect. There are obviously flaws and glaring holes that need to be filled. I agree with you.
My issue with the post I quoted, though, is that that kind of insult was never called for. I'm not a CCP suckup, but I take issue when anyone decides to insult the development team in the manner that Khlitouris did. Developers have feelings too, etcetera etcetera. -------------------------------------
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Naran Darkmood
Gallente Firman AB 101010 Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.20 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII
Originally by: Amerilia
Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII
Originally by: Amerilia Did they change that with the patch? As, before Apocrpypha, if you let a mission expire you lose standing.
Only if you had accepted it.
Until about 2 weeks before Apocrypha I thought so too, but the agent mailed me how displeased he his and I lost standing. Mission was only "offered" not "accepted"
I'd definately petition that as a bug then.
It's like that since I run missions (which is more than 3 years) and it was always like that and it was intended. It's good to know that it changed. Also, for me I have to "continue" to get a new offer since yesterday.
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Asuka Smith
Gallente StarHunt
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Posted - 2009.03.20 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Lucas Tigh Edited by: Lucas Tigh on 20/03/2009 20:47:07
Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII Oh well maybe one day ccp will earn enough rl isk to hire some programmers that can actually code, the monkeys from the local zoo just aren't up to scratch any more :(
As a programmer, I resent that. That kind of arrogance, that most customers nowadays seem to think they are entitled to, when it comes to programming really irritates me and the rest of the coding community. They all seem to think that the code of a product should be flawless and impeccable. When you're dealing with a code base as massive as EVE's, bugs are expected and tolerable.
Yes, I realize that you're paying for the product, but all MMOs have bugs.
Now kindly stop insulting the people that made the game you play possible unless you can do a better job.
When Tony Romo dropped the fieldgoal VS. Seattle in the conference play-offs VS. the Seahawks in '05 I definitely insulted him. He is forever Tony "Butterfingers" Romo to me. I doubt I would survive one tackle from any NFL player, but that does not mean that Tony did not **** up hardcore and that any competent QB would never have made that mistake. Just because I cannot do something myself does not mean that I am not qualified to critique.
All MMO's may have bugs, but not every MMO stays EQ2 @ Launch level buggy.
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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.20 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: Asuka Smith
Originally by: Lucas Tigh Edited by: Lucas Tigh on 20/03/2009 20:47:07
Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII Oh well maybe one day ccp will earn enough rl isk to hire some programmers that can actually code, the monkeys from the local zoo just aren't up to scratch any more :(
As a programmer, I resent that. That kind of arrogance, that most customers nowadays seem to think they are entitled to, when it comes to programming really irritates me and the rest of the coding community. They all seem to think that the code of a product should be flawless and impeccable. When you're dealing with a code base as massive as EVE's, bugs are expected and tolerable.
Yes, I realize that you're paying for the product, but all MMOs have bugs.
Now kindly stop insulting the people that made the game you play possible unless you can do a better job.
When Tony Romo dropped the fieldgoal VS. Seattle in the conference play-offs VS. the Seahawks in '05 I definitely insulted him. He is forever Tony "Butterfingers" Romo to me. I doubt I would survive one tackle from any NFL player, but that does not mean that Tony did not **** up hardcore and that any competent QB would never have made that mistake. Just because I cannot do something myself does not mean that I am not qualified to critique.
All MMO's may have bugs, but not every MMO stays EQ2 @ Launch level buggy.
Actually, it does mean you aren't qualified to critique. Listen to all the armchair quarterbacks and porch politicians. Unless you can do better yourself, shut the **** up and mind your own damn business. Or come out here and show the world how you speak with authority and experience.
General you, by the way, not YOU specifically.
Originally by: 5pinDizzy Troll Score-o-Meter --------Failure----------|||-----------Succes------- 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1--0--1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10
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Valentyn3
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Posted - 2009.03.20 22:53:00 -
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Edited by: Valentyn3 on 20/03/2009 22:55:28 *nvm, quoted wrong guy*
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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.20 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Valentyn3
Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Originally by: Asuka Smith
Originally by: Lucas Tigh Edited by: Lucas Tigh on 20/03/2009 20:47:07
As a programmer, I resent that. That kind of arrogance, that most customers nowadays seem to think they are entitled to, when it comes to programming really irritates me and the rest of the coding community. They all seem to think that the code of a product should be flawless and impeccable. When you're dealing with a code base as massive as EVE's, bugs are expected and tolerable.
Yes, I realize that you're paying for the product, but all MMOs have bugs.
Now kindly stop insulting the people that made the game you play possible unless you can do a better job.
When Tony Romo dropped the fieldgoal VS. Seattle in the conference play-offs VS. the Seahawks in '05 I definitely insulted him. He is forever Tony "Butterfingers" Romo to me. I doubt I would survive one tackle from any NFL player, but that does not mean that Tony did not **** up hardcore and that any competent QB would never have made that mistake. Just because I cannot do something myself does not mean that I am not qualified to critique.
All MMO's may have bugs, but not every MMO stays EQ2 @ Launch level buggy.
Actually, it does mean you aren't qualified to critique. Listen to all the armchair quarterbacks and porch politicians. Unless you can do better yourself, shut the **** up and mind your own damn business. Or come out here and show the world how you speak with authority and experience.
General you, by the way, not YOU specifically.
I'll be sure to pass your sentiments on to all the film, food ect. critics of the world at their next get together
Please, please do.
I hate critics, and think they are horrible. It's one thing offering an opinion, but it's another to act like your opinion is the only one that matters.
All that said, being a customer gives someone the ability to be a critic, I feel. But there's a difference between telling someone about something you don't like, and telling them how to do their job (specifically when they have no idea what's involved).
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Enthral
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Posted - 2009.03.20 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jarna
And as a programmer I can also see that CCP doesn't handle "features" properly.
Are we really talking about bugs here, or just poor design? There is a not too subtle difference.
I see this a lot. Someone reports a "bug," which isn't really a bug but just a design decision the player doesn't agree with. The bug hunter replies "It isn't a bug, working as intended!" and the player gets all ****ed off at the crappy programmers.
Sometimes I think we blame the wrong group. We should be blaming the designers for bad design.
Remember, a bug is when something doesn't work as designed. It isn't when something doesn't work as the player hopes it would.
-Enthral
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