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Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:06:00 -
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First, yes, this is a NPC alt and this IS an NPC alt not because Im being sarcastic or trolling but cause if I expressed these feelings on my main I may well be kicked out of my corp.
Man I dont get all the negativity and real hate thrown Mittani's way. The whole act at Fanfest and since just shows that guy is friggin brilliant. The drunken comment and afterwards is amazing when you look at it in the light of he was RPing. He was RPing the most evil alliance leader in EVE what ELSE was he supposed to say/do? Thats who his character is. Is this NOT an mmo RPG thats a giant sandbox and ppl can PLAY how they want? Id almost go so far as to say the "thrown under the bus" metagame of him on Twitter was more RP designed to hype this up even more and garner more PR for CCP. Who better to best the evil company thats doing the game wrong by listening to the wrong crowd than the egotistical, arrogant supreme commander of the evil hordes of Goonfleet? Who better to take the battle directly to them than this larger tan life guy who gets voted into the CSM to bring the fight to Iceland?
The greatest things about the FF and fallout since fiasco has been him PAINTING it i the light OF RP so that anything he does from here on out, he can throw up the "RP" flag like the pirates in "pirates of the caribbean" (particularly Jack) would "pirate" like it obvious when they did something underhanded.
I just dont get all the hate they throw his way, especially from the "its a game..." crowd and the "real psychopathies that you act out in game" crowds as youd think at least THEY would understand the difference between the man and the role.
Do you think Anthony Hopkins is REALLY a cannibal because he played the part of one? Or that Heath Leger was REALLY a Homicidal Joker character because he played one in a movie?" Think of the game as a movie we all get to plat a part in and youll see why that "ppl that play this game are sociopaths IRL" argument is the purest horseshit |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1871
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:15:00 -
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This was so 37 seconds ago.
Um, I mean 37 days ago, why bring up old **** again? This thread topic is like a scab and you just gotta keep picking at it. |
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:17:00 -
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Must be a slow week. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:18:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:This was so 37 seconds ago.
Um, I mean 37 days ago, why bring up old **** again? This thread topic is like a scab and you just gotta keep picking at it.
You do it plenty enough. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:19:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:This was so 37 seconds ago.
Um, I mean 37 days ago, why bring up old **** again? This thread topic is like a scab and you just gotta keep picking at it.
um Ice seen a whole lotta anti-mittani no non Goon pre him tho and um... cause I can?
Lapine Davion wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:This was so 37 seconds ago.
Um, I mean 37 days ago, why bring up old **** again? This thread topic is like a scab and you just gotta keep picking at it. You do it plenty enough.
that too and are fast to criticise when others do |
Pres Crendraven
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:19:00 -
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gagged so hard Im downloading wow Meta34me
Corp and Alliance details hidden to protect the innocent. |
Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:22:00 -
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and Im not a Goon. THEY tend to be pro Mittani without hiding behind NPC alts lol |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
190
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:28:00 -
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Came expecting robes and hats. Leaving disappointed. |
Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:35:00 -
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Vaal Erit wrote:Came expecting robes and hats. Leaving disappointed.
Dunno, I liked the hat lol
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Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:41:00 -
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First, I'd like to note that Heath Ledger killed himself shortly after playing that role, following a period of depression where he stayed in doors and refused to communicate with friends, family, or peers to my knowledge.
That doesn't speak well of the effects of role-acting a clinically insane, twisted freak of nature on the mind of the actor. Less so when that actor delves to deeply into the psyche of the character in an attempt to better understand his motivations and intentions to improve their ability to portray the persona and archetype of that character.
Did you know that Friedrich Nietzsche slowly developed insanity during his career as a writer, delving into the less savory aspects of humankind, their nature, and the nature of Evil. Trying to understand such things isn't always a good idea; particularly if someone is already slightly imbalanced of mind as he was. Of course, it might have just been something in the Ink.
Anyway, on to the topic. Yes, some of us do understand the difference between a character and a persona and the person themselves. It helps if you know the person, but that is not always necessary if you have some video of them like we do of the Mittani.
He was not RPing his character, but rather being himself with regards to his persona. There is nothing to say that he would have said what he did were he not drunk, but reliably, we can say that he said what he did because he was drunk.
The reason we can say that is because he was, and quite often as the Mittani playing in game he is. Similar circumstances allow for similar behaviour; particularly when drunk. It does not mean that he meant it or wishes the person ill, but rather indicates that he was unfettered in his train of thought and acting as he normally would when drunk. That is not the same as being a psychopath.
It is for this reason that it is easy to forgive his actions and even ignore them in there entirity for their simplicity. When drunk, we often do or say things that we do not truly mean, simply for the effect they will have on others or because we believe it is expected of us. We do not have to have the intention of harming others to have the effect of harming others.
In some cases people have a shoddy misconception of appropriateness and behave accordingly with this poorly conceived perception. It is the case with the Mittani and his behaviour is a reflection of the attitudes anbd behaviours common to many an internet gamer amongst his or her peers. If we are around people who behave inappropriately, then it is likely that we will begin to behave inappropriately ourselves.
I could go on, but those who understand this likely already know and those who don't likely never will. It is also very possible that some people hate the Mittani for RP purposes or because he is the Mittani, and for know other reason. Without knowing them individually or having some example of their character we may never know.
On a side note, I'm pretty sure Anthony Hopkins is a cannibal. j/k of course. Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:43:00 -
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I roleplay a dude playing a troll playing a dudette. Deal with it. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Kuehnelt
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:43:00 -
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The problem with your perspective is that Goonswarm is "Something Awful forums... in space!" It's such an otherworldly group that, if EVE were real, it would be a bigger mystery than the sleepers, or the rogue drones, or what's up with the Sansha, or how are the Jove doing. It's such an otherworldly group that there should be NPC buy orders for Goon corpses, so that NPC scientists can struggle with the question of WTF is causing all these capsuleers who have nothing in common to congregate in this way, and behave as they do.
Perhaps they'd conclude that a Goon is an ASCII *****'s way of creating an ASCII *****. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:45:00 -
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Amanda Holland wrote:and Im not a Goon. THEY tend to be pro Mittani without hiding behind NPC alts lol
10,000 alts can't bee wrong?
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:49:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:First, I'd like to note that Heath Ledger killed himself shortly after playing that role, following a period of depression where he stayed in doors and refused to communicate with friends, family, or peers to my knowledge.
That doesn't speak well of the effects of role-acting a clinically insane, twisted freak of nature on the mind of the actor. Less so when that actor delves to deeply into the psyche of the character in an attempt to better understand his motivations and intentions to improve their ability to portray the persona and archetype of that character.
Did you know that Friedrich Nietzsche slowly developed insanity during his career as a writer, delving into the less savory aspects of humankind, their nature, and the nature of Evil. Trying to understand such things isn't always a good idea; particularly if someone is already slightly imbalanced of mind as he was. Of course, it might have just been something in the Ink.
cause there was nothing wrong with them before they did what they did yes? somehow I think maybe Leger was depressed FIRST and/or had issue BEFORE playing the part. You note how he DIDNT replay part of the Joker where he murdered ppl wantonly and blew up buildings. Nietsche was likely already insane... I doubt writing DROVER him insane.
the above is like saying anyone that played a psycho and then didnt kill ppl in real life afterwards were just lucky -.- Hell Stephen King should be restrained and dribbling in a bucket by now.
Beekeeper Bob wrote:Amanda Holland wrote:and Im not a Goon. THEY tend to be pro Mittani without hiding behind NPC alts lol 10,000 alts can't bee wrong?
yeah none of those votes were ppl that actually wanted him in. they HAD to all be alts.
Mars Theran wrote:
He was not RPing his character, but rather being himself with regards to his persona. There is nothing to say that he would have said what he did were he not drunk, but reliably, we can say that he said what he did because he was drunk.
no, he was RPing. outrageously so cause he was drunk but still RPing. Ive RPed Malkavians (and LARPed them) that doesnt make me insane OR homicidal nor do I actually want to drink blood. I did it cause it was fun and NOT me. Thats why I like RPs. To play someone totally UNLIKE me.
Im almost totally the opposite of the person I am in game. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1871
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:04:00 -
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Amanda Holland wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:This was so 37 seconds ago.
Um, I mean 37 days ago, why bring up old **** again? This thread topic is like a scab and you just gotta keep picking at it. um Ice seen a whole lotta anti-mittani no non Goon pre him tho and um... cause I can? Lapine Davion wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:This was so 37 seconds ago.
Um, I mean 37 days ago, why bring up old **** again? This thread topic is like a scab and you just gotta keep picking at it. You do it plenty enough. that too and are fast to criticise when others do You fail hard at trying to discredit me with your pathetic troll attack.
I have never once started a thread about that crap. Some people sure wanna keep bringing it back up even after CCP has already locked each and every thread pertaining to that topic. |
Scien Inkunen
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:09:00 -
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Amanda Holland wrote:First, yes, this is a NPC alt and this IS an NPC alt not because Im being sarcastic or trolling but cause if I expressed these feelings on my main I may well be kicked out of my corp.
Man I dont get all the negativity and real hate thrown Mittani's way. The whole act at Fanfest and since just shows that guy is friggin brilliant. The drunken comment and afterwards is amazing when you look at it in the light of he was RPing. He was RPing the most evil alliance leader in EVE what ELSE was he supposed to say/do? Thats who his character is. Is this NOT an mmo RPG thats a giant sandbox and ppl can PLAY how they want? Id almost go so far as to say the "thrown under the bus" metagame of him on Twitter was more RP designed to hype this up even more and garner more PR for CCP. Who better to best the evil company thats doing the game wrong by listening to the wrong crowd than the egotistical, arrogant supreme commander of the evil hordes of Goonfleet? Who better to take the battle directly to them than this larger tan life guy who gets voted into the CSM to bring the fight to Iceland?
The greatest things about the FF and fallout since fiasco has been him PAINTING it i the light OF RP so that anything he does from here on out, he can throw up the "RP" flag like the pirates in "pirates of the caribbean" (particularly Jack) would "pirate" like it obvious when they did something underhanded.
I just dont get all the hate they throw his way, especially from the "its a game..." crowd and the "real psychopathies that you act out in game" crowds as youd think at least THEY would understand the difference between the man and the role.
Do you think Anthony Hopkins is REALLY a cannibal because he played the part of one? Or that Heath Leger was REALLY a Homicidal Joker character because he played one in a movie?" Think of the game as a movie we all get to plat a part in and youll see why that "ppl that play this game are sociopaths IRL" argument is the purest horseshit
So, EVE is actualy Holywood at its best? So manny good actors .... - let start giving Oscar for role playing. Read the "Fart file" and you will understand the meaning of life ! |
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:24:00 -
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Who is this Mintanni? EGD: If you jettison what's in your brain, at least expect can flipping. |
Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:45:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Amanda Holland wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:This was so 37 seconds ago.
Um, I mean 37 days ago, why bring up old **** again? This thread topic is like a scab and you just gotta keep picking at it. um Ice seen a whole lotta anti-mittani no non Goon pre him tho and um... cause I can? Lapine Davion wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:This was so 37 seconds ago.
Um, I mean 37 days ago, why bring up old **** again? This thread topic is like a scab and you just gotta keep picking at it. You do it plenty enough. that too and are fast to criticise when others do . Some people sure wanna keep bringing it back up even after CCP has already locked each and every thread pertaining to that topic.
observation you disagree with =/= troll attack but then I expect you to be hammering on the report button every thread by now anyway lol
Cause you know, why argue the point when you can run to CCP |
Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
718
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:57:00 -
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Amanda Holland wrote:Vaal Erit wrote:Came expecting robes and hats. Leaving disappointed. Dunno, I liked the hat lol Yeah im sorry there werent more torches and crosses in the thread. I just dont se the point in hating someone good at RP lolespecially when RP is usually looked down on in MMOs
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Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
153
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Posted - 2012.04.30 08:23:00 -
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What you fail to understand about my post, is that Heath Ledger was not RPing the Joker when he killed himself. I'm not even saying he did it because he played the Joker, but more making an observation and tying the facts together, (as best I know them), in a fashion that pioints to a possible reason for his actions.
It isn't the maniacal clown that was the issue so much as the contrary nature of the character with Heath Ledgers own character. He delved into something that went against everything he was, burrowed deeply in, and then failed to reconcile who he was with who he had become as a result of this. Or potentially so at any rate.
Nietzsche was neither insane nor crazy at the beginning of his career to the best of my knowledge but slowly became that way. Now, while it is well known that inks in that period often had unpleasant things in them like Mercury, arsenic, and various other things that were harmful to body and mind if ingested, (Not saying specifically those things, but you get the idea), there were many authors of the time who did not suffer insanity over prolonged periods of using them. Not obviously at any rate.
What we do know however, is that many who delve into the supernatural or try to understand the nature of evil or even make a pact with it quite often go insane or lose their minds entirely. Some just go crazy in one fashion or another. This is very common among those who practice witchcraft, various other unmentionable practices, and study to deeply things which were never meant to be understood or simply do not exist.
Nietzsches entire career was centered around subjects such as these and others and it is not hard to believe they were his eventual undoing.
Regardless, I understand that many RPers will vehemently defend what it is they enjoy to do, and you are no exception. I very much doubt you are telling the truth when you emphasize that you and your character are opposites however. People seldom are, though they might be, (and often are), unwilling to admit as much.
That doesn't mean you aren't; it just means that I doubt it.
edit: also, you are far to concerned about peoples perceptions of the Mittani. It is what it is; he only received a temporary ban, and the game goes on as normal with his return. The only real difference is he does not hold the chair for the CSM anymore, which may be as much a relief to him as some of us.
Honestly, I couldn't care either way, but it is a funny thought. Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
79
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Posted - 2012.04.30 09:01:00 -
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nvm I just report and move on
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.30 09:06:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote: This is very common among those who practice witchcraft
Id ask you to edit that I know sane Wiccans and they dont take well to lies about their religion.
Theyre really nice ppl actually
I also dont want my thread locked |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
153
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Posted - 2012.04.30 09:14:00 -
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Amanda Holland wrote:Mars Theran wrote: This is very common among those who practice witchcraft Id ask you to edit that I know sane Wiccans and they dont take well to lies about their religion. Theyre really nice ppl actually I also dont want my thread locked
I never mentioned Wiccans and never specified any religions, I just said witchcraft. Though not mutually exclusive of each other, they are not the same thing. Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.04.30 11:34:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:Amanda Holland wrote:Mars Theran wrote: This is very common among those who practice witchcraft Id ask you to edit that I know sane Wiccans and they dont take well to lies about their religion. Theyre really nice ppl actually I also dont want my thread locked I never mentioned Wiccans and never specified any religions, I just said witchcraft. Though not mutually exclusive of each other, they are not the same thing.
Witchcraft is generally conneted with Wiccan as they are generally referred to and refer to themselves as witches and their practice is their "craft"
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TWHC Assistant
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Posted - 2012.04.30 11:44:00 -
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Confirming, CSM is role-play. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
645
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Posted - 2012.04.30 11:48:00 -
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TWHC Assistant wrote:Confirming, CSM is role-play. He wasn't in his CSM role, he was in his role as leader of goonswarm, since that was the ALLIANCE LEADER PANEL, not the CSM panel.
Thats kind of the whole point of the OP.
Different note, Heath Ledger was a method actor. If you are familiar with method acting you would realize that once he took the role, he submerged himself in the character, and STAYED there til after he was done filming the movie. This means he did not get a break from being submerged in a role that was presumably against his character(I didn't know the guy, can't actually say he wasn't an insane mass murdering clown who just never got caught) so it doesn't actually hold up next to role playing, where you leave the role on a very regular basis and have the relief of being yourself for as long as you need to. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
645
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Posted - 2012.04.30 11:50:00 -
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Amanda Holland wrote:Mars Theran wrote: This is very common among those who practice witchcraft Id ask you to edit that I know sane Wiccans and they dont take well to lies about their religion. Theyre really nice ppl actually I also dont want my thread locked As a Wiccan Priest, I do quite take offense at this guys remarks.
If my in-game character happen to share my religious views, I might have to take some in game action against you. Fortunately for my lazy nullbear self, my character has no such leaning Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression Dragoons.
144
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Posted - 2012.04.30 11:55:00 -
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I blame world of borecraft for polluting and softening the minds of some eve players. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
694
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Posted - 2012.04.30 12:14:00 -
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Wait a minute?
Does this mean that Amanda Holland is replacing Lady Harlot as The Mitanni's new ego fapping alt? I don't think I got the memo TBH.
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Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
694
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Posted - 2012.04.30 12:17:00 -
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Amanda Holland wrote:[quote=Mars Theran] Id ask you to edit that I know sane Wiccans and they dont take well to lies about their religion.
I knew some wiccans in high school, first they drew attention to themselves and their religion by pasting "born again Pegan" stickers on their binders, and then they got pissed when people noticed it and said, huh? I always thought that was special.
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