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Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:06:00 -
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First, yes, this is a NPC alt and this IS an NPC alt not because Im being sarcastic or trolling but cause if I expressed these feelings on my main I may well be kicked out of my corp.
Man I dont get all the negativity and real hate thrown Mittani's way. The whole act at Fanfest and since just shows that guy is friggin brilliant. The drunken comment and afterwards is amazing when you look at it in the light of he was RPing. He was RPing the most evil alliance leader in EVE what ELSE was he supposed to say/do? Thats who his character is. Is this NOT an mmo RPG thats a giant sandbox and ppl can PLAY how they want? Id almost go so far as to say the "thrown under the bus" metagame of him on Twitter was more RP designed to hype this up even more and garner more PR for CCP. Who better to best the evil company thats doing the game wrong by listening to the wrong crowd than the egotistical, arrogant supreme commander of the evil hordes of Goonfleet? Who better to take the battle directly to them than this larger tan life guy who gets voted into the CSM to bring the fight to Iceland?
The greatest things about the FF and fallout since fiasco has been him PAINTING it i the light OF RP so that anything he does from here on out, he can throw up the "RP" flag like the pirates in "pirates of the caribbean" (particularly Jack) would "pirate" like it obvious when they did something underhanded.
I just dont get all the hate they throw his way, especially from the "its a game..." crowd and the "real psychopathies that you act out in game" crowds as youd think at least THEY would understand the difference between the man and the role.
Do you think Anthony Hopkins is REALLY a cannibal because he played the part of one? Or that Heath Leger was REALLY a Homicidal Joker character because he played one in a movie?" Think of the game as a movie we all get to plat a part in and youll see why that "ppl that play this game are sociopaths IRL" argument is the purest horseshit |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1871
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:15:00 -
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This was so 37 seconds ago.
Um, I mean 37 days ago, why bring up old **** again? This thread topic is like a scab and you just gotta keep picking at it. |
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
293
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:17:00 -
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Must be a slow week. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
281
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:18:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:This was so 37 seconds ago.
Um, I mean 37 days ago, why bring up old **** again? This thread topic is like a scab and you just gotta keep picking at it.
You do it plenty enough. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:19:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:This was so 37 seconds ago.
Um, I mean 37 days ago, why bring up old **** again? This thread topic is like a scab and you just gotta keep picking at it.
um Ice seen a whole lotta anti-mittani no non Goon pre him tho and um... cause I can?
Lapine Davion wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:This was so 37 seconds ago.
Um, I mean 37 days ago, why bring up old **** again? This thread topic is like a scab and you just gotta keep picking at it. You do it plenty enough.
that too and are fast to criticise when others do |
Pres Crendraven
10
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:19:00 -
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gagged so hard Im downloading wow Meta34me
Corp and Alliance details hidden to protect the innocent. |
Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:22:00 -
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and Im not a Goon. THEY tend to be pro Mittani without hiding behind NPC alts lol |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
190
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:28:00 -
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Came expecting robes and hats. Leaving disappointed. |
Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:35:00 -
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Vaal Erit wrote:Came expecting robes and hats. Leaving disappointed.
Dunno, I liked the hat lol
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Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
152
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:41:00 -
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First, I'd like to note that Heath Ledger killed himself shortly after playing that role, following a period of depression where he stayed in doors and refused to communicate with friends, family, or peers to my knowledge.
That doesn't speak well of the effects of role-acting a clinically insane, twisted freak of nature on the mind of the actor. Less so when that actor delves to deeply into the psyche of the character in an attempt to better understand his motivations and intentions to improve their ability to portray the persona and archetype of that character.
Did you know that Friedrich Nietzsche slowly developed insanity during his career as a writer, delving into the less savory aspects of humankind, their nature, and the nature of Evil. Trying to understand such things isn't always a good idea; particularly if someone is already slightly imbalanced of mind as he was. Of course, it might have just been something in the Ink.
Anyway, on to the topic. Yes, some of us do understand the difference between a character and a persona and the person themselves. It helps if you know the person, but that is not always necessary if you have some video of them like we do of the Mittani.
He was not RPing his character, but rather being himself with regards to his persona. There is nothing to say that he would have said what he did were he not drunk, but reliably, we can say that he said what he did because he was drunk.
The reason we can say that is because he was, and quite often as the Mittani playing in game he is. Similar circumstances allow for similar behaviour; particularly when drunk. It does not mean that he meant it or wishes the person ill, but rather indicates that he was unfettered in his train of thought and acting as he normally would when drunk. That is not the same as being a psychopath.
It is for this reason that it is easy to forgive his actions and even ignore them in there entirity for their simplicity. When drunk, we often do or say things that we do not truly mean, simply for the effect they will have on others or because we believe it is expected of us. We do not have to have the intention of harming others to have the effect of harming others.
In some cases people have a shoddy misconception of appropriateness and behave accordingly with this poorly conceived perception. It is the case with the Mittani and his behaviour is a reflection of the attitudes anbd behaviours common to many an internet gamer amongst his or her peers. If we are around people who behave inappropriately, then it is likely that we will begin to behave inappropriately ourselves.
I could go on, but those who understand this likely already know and those who don't likely never will. It is also very possible that some people hate the Mittani for RP purposes or because he is the Mittani, and for know other reason. Without knowing them individually or having some example of their character we may never know.
On a side note, I'm pretty sure Anthony Hopkins is a cannibal. j/k of course. Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1119
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:43:00 -
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I roleplay a dude playing a troll playing a dudette. Deal with it. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Kuehnelt
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
16
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:43:00 -
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The problem with your perspective is that Goonswarm is "Something Awful forums... in space!" It's such an otherworldly group that, if EVE were real, it would be a bigger mystery than the sleepers, or the rogue drones, or what's up with the Sansha, or how are the Jove doing. It's such an otherworldly group that there should be NPC buy orders for Goon corpses, so that NPC scientists can struggle with the question of WTF is causing all these capsuleers who have nothing in common to congregate in this way, and behave as they do.
Perhaps they'd conclude that a Goon is an ASCII *****'s way of creating an ASCII *****. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
114
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:45:00 -
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Amanda Holland wrote:and Im not a Goon. THEY tend to be pro Mittani without hiding behind NPC alts lol
10,000 alts can't bee wrong?
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:49:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:First, I'd like to note that Heath Ledger killed himself shortly after playing that role, following a period of depression where he stayed in doors and refused to communicate with friends, family, or peers to my knowledge.
That doesn't speak well of the effects of role-acting a clinically insane, twisted freak of nature on the mind of the actor. Less so when that actor delves to deeply into the psyche of the character in an attempt to better understand his motivations and intentions to improve their ability to portray the persona and archetype of that character.
Did you know that Friedrich Nietzsche slowly developed insanity during his career as a writer, delving into the less savory aspects of humankind, their nature, and the nature of Evil. Trying to understand such things isn't always a good idea; particularly if someone is already slightly imbalanced of mind as he was. Of course, it might have just been something in the Ink.
cause there was nothing wrong with them before they did what they did yes? somehow I think maybe Leger was depressed FIRST and/or had issue BEFORE playing the part. You note how he DIDNT replay part of the Joker where he murdered ppl wantonly and blew up buildings. Nietsche was likely already insane... I doubt writing DROVER him insane.
the above is like saying anyone that played a psycho and then didnt kill ppl in real life afterwards were just lucky -.- Hell Stephen King should be restrained and dribbling in a bucket by now.
Beekeeper Bob wrote:Amanda Holland wrote:and Im not a Goon. THEY tend to be pro Mittani without hiding behind NPC alts lol 10,000 alts can't bee wrong?
yeah none of those votes were ppl that actually wanted him in. they HAD to all be alts.
Mars Theran wrote:
He was not RPing his character, but rather being himself with regards to his persona. There is nothing to say that he would have said what he did were he not drunk, but reliably, we can say that he said what he did because he was drunk.
no, he was RPing. outrageously so cause he was drunk but still RPing. Ive RPed Malkavians (and LARPed them) that doesnt make me insane OR homicidal nor do I actually want to drink blood. I did it cause it was fun and NOT me. Thats why I like RPs. To play someone totally UNLIKE me.
Im almost totally the opposite of the person I am in game. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1871
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:04:00 -
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Amanda Holland wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:This was so 37 seconds ago.
Um, I mean 37 days ago, why bring up old **** again? This thread topic is like a scab and you just gotta keep picking at it. um Ice seen a whole lotta anti-mittani no non Goon pre him tho and um... cause I can? Lapine Davion wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:This was so 37 seconds ago.
Um, I mean 37 days ago, why bring up old **** again? This thread topic is like a scab and you just gotta keep picking at it. You do it plenty enough. that too and are fast to criticise when others do You fail hard at trying to discredit me with your pathetic troll attack.
I have never once started a thread about that crap. Some people sure wanna keep bringing it back up even after CCP has already locked each and every thread pertaining to that topic. |
Scien Inkunen
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:09:00 -
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Amanda Holland wrote:First, yes, this is a NPC alt and this IS an NPC alt not because Im being sarcastic or trolling but cause if I expressed these feelings on my main I may well be kicked out of my corp.
Man I dont get all the negativity and real hate thrown Mittani's way. The whole act at Fanfest and since just shows that guy is friggin brilliant. The drunken comment and afterwards is amazing when you look at it in the light of he was RPing. He was RPing the most evil alliance leader in EVE what ELSE was he supposed to say/do? Thats who his character is. Is this NOT an mmo RPG thats a giant sandbox and ppl can PLAY how they want? Id almost go so far as to say the "thrown under the bus" metagame of him on Twitter was more RP designed to hype this up even more and garner more PR for CCP. Who better to best the evil company thats doing the game wrong by listening to the wrong crowd than the egotistical, arrogant supreme commander of the evil hordes of Goonfleet? Who better to take the battle directly to them than this larger tan life guy who gets voted into the CSM to bring the fight to Iceland?
The greatest things about the FF and fallout since fiasco has been him PAINTING it i the light OF RP so that anything he does from here on out, he can throw up the "RP" flag like the pirates in "pirates of the caribbean" (particularly Jack) would "pirate" like it obvious when they did something underhanded.
I just dont get all the hate they throw his way, especially from the "its a game..." crowd and the "real psychopathies that you act out in game" crowds as youd think at least THEY would understand the difference between the man and the role.
Do you think Anthony Hopkins is REALLY a cannibal because he played the part of one? Or that Heath Leger was REALLY a Homicidal Joker character because he played one in a movie?" Think of the game as a movie we all get to plat a part in and youll see why that "ppl that play this game are sociopaths IRL" argument is the purest horseshit
So, EVE is actualy Holywood at its best? So manny good actors .... - let start giving Oscar for role playing. Read the "Fart file" and you will understand the meaning of life ! |
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
216
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:24:00 -
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Who is this Mintanni? EGD: If you jettison what's in your brain, at least expect can flipping. |
Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:45:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Amanda Holland wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:This was so 37 seconds ago.
Um, I mean 37 days ago, why bring up old **** again? This thread topic is like a scab and you just gotta keep picking at it. um Ice seen a whole lotta anti-mittani no non Goon pre him tho and um... cause I can? Lapine Davion wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:This was so 37 seconds ago.
Um, I mean 37 days ago, why bring up old **** again? This thread topic is like a scab and you just gotta keep picking at it. You do it plenty enough. that too and are fast to criticise when others do . Some people sure wanna keep bringing it back up even after CCP has already locked each and every thread pertaining to that topic.
observation you disagree with =/= troll attack but then I expect you to be hammering on the report button every thread by now anyway lol
Cause you know, why argue the point when you can run to CCP |
Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
718
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:57:00 -
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Amanda Holland wrote:Vaal Erit wrote:Came expecting robes and hats. Leaving disappointed. Dunno, I liked the hat lol Yeah im sorry there werent more torches and crosses in the thread. I just dont se the point in hating someone good at RP lolespecially when RP is usually looked down on in MMOs
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Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
153
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Posted - 2012.04.30 08:23:00 -
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What you fail to understand about my post, is that Heath Ledger was not RPing the Joker when he killed himself. I'm not even saying he did it because he played the Joker, but more making an observation and tying the facts together, (as best I know them), in a fashion that pioints to a possible reason for his actions.
It isn't the maniacal clown that was the issue so much as the contrary nature of the character with Heath Ledgers own character. He delved into something that went against everything he was, burrowed deeply in, and then failed to reconcile who he was with who he had become as a result of this. Or potentially so at any rate.
Nietzsche was neither insane nor crazy at the beginning of his career to the best of my knowledge but slowly became that way. Now, while it is well known that inks in that period often had unpleasant things in them like Mercury, arsenic, and various other things that were harmful to body and mind if ingested, (Not saying specifically those things, but you get the idea), there were many authors of the time who did not suffer insanity over prolonged periods of using them. Not obviously at any rate.
What we do know however, is that many who delve into the supernatural or try to understand the nature of evil or even make a pact with it quite often go insane or lose their minds entirely. Some just go crazy in one fashion or another. This is very common among those who practice witchcraft, various other unmentionable practices, and study to deeply things which were never meant to be understood or simply do not exist.
Nietzsches entire career was centered around subjects such as these and others and it is not hard to believe they were his eventual undoing.
Regardless, I understand that many RPers will vehemently defend what it is they enjoy to do, and you are no exception. I very much doubt you are telling the truth when you emphasize that you and your character are opposites however. People seldom are, though they might be, (and often are), unwilling to admit as much.
That doesn't mean you aren't; it just means that I doubt it.
edit: also, you are far to concerned about peoples perceptions of the Mittani. It is what it is; he only received a temporary ban, and the game goes on as normal with his return. The only real difference is he does not hold the chair for the CSM anymore, which may be as much a relief to him as some of us.
Honestly, I couldn't care either way, but it is a funny thought. Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
79
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Posted - 2012.04.30 09:01:00 -
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nvm I just report and move on
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.04.30 09:06:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote: This is very common among those who practice witchcraft
Id ask you to edit that I know sane Wiccans and they dont take well to lies about their religion.
Theyre really nice ppl actually
I also dont want my thread locked |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
153
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Posted - 2012.04.30 09:14:00 -
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Amanda Holland wrote:Mars Theran wrote: This is very common among those who practice witchcraft Id ask you to edit that I know sane Wiccans and they dont take well to lies about their religion. Theyre really nice ppl actually I also dont want my thread locked
I never mentioned Wiccans and never specified any religions, I just said witchcraft. Though not mutually exclusive of each other, they are not the same thing. Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.04.30 11:34:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:Amanda Holland wrote:Mars Theran wrote: This is very common among those who practice witchcraft Id ask you to edit that I know sane Wiccans and they dont take well to lies about their religion. Theyre really nice ppl actually I also dont want my thread locked I never mentioned Wiccans and never specified any religions, I just said witchcraft. Though not mutually exclusive of each other, they are not the same thing.
Witchcraft is generally conneted with Wiccan as they are generally referred to and refer to themselves as witches and their practice is their "craft"
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TWHC Assistant
36
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Posted - 2012.04.30 11:44:00 -
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Confirming, CSM is role-play. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
645
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Posted - 2012.04.30 11:48:00 -
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TWHC Assistant wrote:Confirming, CSM is role-play. He wasn't in his CSM role, he was in his role as leader of goonswarm, since that was the ALLIANCE LEADER PANEL, not the CSM panel.
Thats kind of the whole point of the OP.
Different note, Heath Ledger was a method actor. If you are familiar with method acting you would realize that once he took the role, he submerged himself in the character, and STAYED there til after he was done filming the movie. This means he did not get a break from being submerged in a role that was presumably against his character(I didn't know the guy, can't actually say he wasn't an insane mass murdering clown who just never got caught) so it doesn't actually hold up next to role playing, where you leave the role on a very regular basis and have the relief of being yourself for as long as you need to. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
645
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Posted - 2012.04.30 11:50:00 -
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Amanda Holland wrote:Mars Theran wrote: This is very common among those who practice witchcraft Id ask you to edit that I know sane Wiccans and they dont take well to lies about their religion. Theyre really nice ppl actually I also dont want my thread locked As a Wiccan Priest, I do quite take offense at this guys remarks.
If my in-game character happen to share my religious views, I might have to take some in game action against you. Fortunately for my lazy nullbear self, my character has no such leaning Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression Dragoons.
144
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Posted - 2012.04.30 11:55:00 -
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I blame world of borecraft for polluting and softening the minds of some eve players. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
694
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Posted - 2012.04.30 12:14:00 -
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Wait a minute?
Does this mean that Amanda Holland is replacing Lady Harlot as The Mitanni's new ego fapping alt? I don't think I got the memo TBH.
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Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
694
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Posted - 2012.04.30 12:17:00 -
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Amanda Holland wrote:[quote=Mars Theran] Id ask you to edit that I know sane Wiccans and they dont take well to lies about their religion.
I knew some wiccans in high school, first they drew attention to themselves and their religion by pasting "born again Pegan" stickers on their binders, and then they got pissed when people noticed it and said, huh? I always thought that was special.
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Degren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
177
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Posted - 2012.04.30 12:19:00 -
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More amazing roleplaying http://youtu.be/Rj9jvc85WX8 |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
719
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Posted - 2012.04.30 12:21:00 -
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If someone is "RPing" when they kill another person, they still go to jail (or death penalty, depending on location... or get off due to pathetic legal loopholes).
Doesn't matter if the Mittani was RPing or not, he got what CCP determined to be a suitable punishment.
Edit: also, likely to be locked |
Vera Denjuros
Terrortronfleet
0
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Posted - 2012.04.30 12:50:00 -
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These forums are shite. KK. |
Vera Denjuros
Terrortronfleet
0
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Posted - 2012.04.30 12:50:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:First, I'd like to note that Heath Ledger killed himself shortly after playing that role, following a period of depression where he stayed in doors and refused to communicate with friends, family, or peers to my knowledge.
That doesn't speak well of the effects of role-acting a clinically insane, twisted freak of nature on the mind of the actor. Less so when that actor delves to deeply into the psyche of the character in an attempt to better understand his motivations and intentions to improve their ability to portray the persona and archetype of that character.
Did you know that Friedrich Nietzsche slowly developed insanity during his career as a writer, delving into the less savory aspects of humankind, their nature, and the nature of Evil. Trying to understand such things isn't always a good idea; particularly if someone is already slightly imbalanced of mind as he was. Of course, it might have just been something in the Ink.
And so its a logical correlation to say that the cause of these two isolated cases of insanity was that they explored the baser nature of the human psyche? Are you familiar with the term "a fallicy of correlation and causation"?
You assumed that because the one thing, insanity, happened after the other, that it was the cause but we all now that in 99 out of 100 other similar cases, both of insanity and of roleplaying the bad guy, there was no link whatsoever. This is the same sort of failed logic that causes religious fools to believe in miracles.
Did you consider that maybe it was the other way around? Logically that is completly valid.
As far as I know, Sean Bean doesnt have any mental problems and hes played the bad guy in over 20 films.
David Lynch is a perfectly sane person dispite the nature of his films.
Incidently, Michael Jackson went insane after having his skin tone changed to white, so maybe being white is the cause of insanity.
Do you see what Im getting at? Dont you feel like a ****** now? Hang on to that feeling, you are going to need it if you continue to use logic like that. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
638
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Posted - 2012.04.30 12:55:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:Must be a slow week.
Yup. NOTHING new at all has gone on since FanFest. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Bischopt
Alekhine's Gun
87
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Posted - 2012.04.30 13:09:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:If someone is "RPing" when they kill another person, they still go to jail (or death penalty, depending on location... or get off due to pathetic legal loopholes).
Doesn't matter if the Mittani was RPing or not, he got what CCP determined to be a suitable punishment.
Edit: also, likely to be locked
I was gonna say this as well.
Is it alright for me to beat someone to a pulp in real life because i was just roleplaying...? |
Vera Denjuros
Terrortronfleet
1
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Posted - 2012.04.30 13:37:00 -
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Bischopt wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:If someone is "RPing" when they kill another person, they still go to jail (or death penalty, depending on location... or get off due to pathetic legal loopholes).
Doesn't matter if the Mittani was RPing or not, he got what CCP determined to be a suitable punishment.
Edit: also, likely to be locked I was gonna say this as well. Is it alright for me to beat someone to a pulp in real life because i was just roleplaying...?
He was punished for a EULA breach, for saying the guys ingame name and encouraging people to harrass him. The punishment was a 30 day ban which is quite a long one for his transgression. I doubt that it would be the same had there not been such a polical shitstorm about it.
This had little to do with the things everyone was so ******* outraged about actually. Most of those lot was angry at the guy for mocking a suicical person. Massively ran the story as "cyberbullying" before actually looking into it and afterwards had to backpeddle and ended up apologizing for running an obviously unfounded sensationalist story.
So here we are.
I invite you to consider: Who was wronged more?
The person in question had his ingame persona publizised and was publicly rediculed for his suicide story, if there was any relation to real life then the person himself decided to bring that inside the confines of the game, which means the fault is his own.
The Mitanni had his real life name publizised in a very negative context for things he did within the confines of the game. Now, every time someone googles his name, up pops the "cyberbullying" troll.
A lot of people on these forums should benefit from a reality check.
Food for thought. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
640
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Posted - 2012.04.30 13:42:00 -
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Vera Denjuros wrote:[The Mitanni had his real life name publizised in a very negative context for things he did within the confines of the game.
So, FanFest was.....a Virtual Simulation this year ?
I thought the Alliance Panel footage was a bit herky jerky and stiff. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Vera Denjuros
Terrortronfleet
2
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Posted - 2012.04.30 13:53:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Vera Denjuros wrote:[The Mitanni had his real life name publizised in a very negative context for things he did within the confines of the game. So, FanFest was.....a Virtual Simulation this year ? I thought the Alliance Panel footage was a bit herky jerky and stiff.
Aww thats cute you are trolling me arent you? Or are you as thick as your reply suggests? |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
500
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Posted - 2012.04.30 13:54:00 -
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Quote:The drunken comment and afterwards is amazing when you look at it in the light of he was RPing.
A total load of bullshit.
If he was roleplaying he would have encouraged the character to biomass, not the player to kill himself.
He overtly admits that. For you to deny it is ******* absurd.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
642
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:03:00 -
[41] - Quote
Vera Denjuros wrote:
Aww thats cute you are trolling me arent you? Or are you as thick as your reply suggests?
Perception is obviously in the eye of the beholder.
Never get into an argument with a Carebear, especially when your alt's Alliance Leader is on the line. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Vera Denjuros
Terrortronfleet
2
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:33:00 -
[42] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Vera Denjuros wrote:
Aww thats cute you are trolling me arent you? Or are you as thick as your reply suggests?
Perception is obviously in the eye of the beholder. Never get into an argument with a Carebear, especially when your alt's Alliance Leader is on the line.
Not just my perception, CCP decided that the Alliance panel was an official CCP platform and thus "within the confines of the game", and so The mittani was punished for a EULA breach. So what is troubling you?
Also, what arguement? |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
648
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:56:00 -
[43] - Quote
Vera Denjuros wrote:
Not just my perception, CCP decided that the Alliance panel was an official CCP platform and thus "within the confines of the game", and so The mittani was punished for a EULA breach. So what is troubling you?
Vera Denjuros wrote:The person in question had his ingame persona publizised and was publicly rediculed for his suicide story, if there was any relation to real life then the person himself decided to bring that inside the confines of the game, which means the fault is his own.
THIS ^^
....is your argument. That it is his fault.
When the mittani RAN WITH IT and encouraged self-extermination. That was the mittani's decision and action.
THAT is taking Roleplaying into Real Life.
Stupid is as stupid does. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Vera Denjuros
Terrortronfleet
2
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:11:00 -
[44] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Vera Denjuros wrote:
Not just my perception, CCP decided that the Alliance panel was an official CCP platform and thus "within the confines of the game", and so The mittani was punished for a EULA breach. So what is troubling you?
Vera Denjuros wrote:The person in question had his ingame persona publizised and was publicly rediculed for his suicide story, if there was any relation to real life then the person himself decided to bring that inside the confines of the game, which means the fault is his own.
THIS ^^ ....is your argument. That it is his fault. When the mittani RAN WITH IT and encouraged self-extermination. That was the mittani's decision and action. THAT is taking Roleplaying into Real Life. Stupid is as stupid does.
I was not examining the question of right and wrong, I was examining the consequenses for both persons, I thought that was plain, I am sorry that you got it wrong.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
648
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:17:00 -
[45] - Quote
Vera Denjuros wrote:
I was not examining the question of right and wrong, I was examining the consequenses for both persons, I thought that was plain, I am sorry that you got it wrong.
Too late to back-pedal.
You declared that the action was the fault of the other player, not the mittani. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Polly Oxford
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:21:00 -
[46] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:As a Wiccan Priest, I do quite take offense at this guys remarks.
This is the only thing worthwhile in this thread. I though that whole Wiccan thing was a joke religion. Besides the whole concept of a personal god being more than ridiculous, do you actually believe in magic? |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
138
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:24:00 -
[47] - Quote
This thread got hi-jacked long ago but in terms of RP, EVE has it like all games do. Like all games that RP can be inclusive or intrusive and only one every gets very far. The way it should be. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg-_HeVNYOk
Save Derpy! |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
455
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:24:00 -
[48] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:TWHC Assistant wrote:Confirming, CSM is role-play. He wasn't in his CSM role, he was in his role as leader of goonswarm, since that was the ALLIANCE LEADER PANEL, not the CSM panel. Thats kind of the whole point of the OP. Different note, Heath Ledger was a method actor. If you are familiar with method acting you would realize that once he took the role, he submerged himself in the character, and STAYED there til after he was done filming the movie. This means he did not get a break from being submerged in a role that was presumably against his character(I didn't know the guy, can't actually say he wasn't an insane mass murdering clown who just never got caught) so it doesn't actually hold up next to role playing, where you leave the role on a very regular basis and have the relief of being yourself for as long as you need to.
And yeah if you DONT, as in have an issue seperating real life from game, its time to take a break.
Seriously.
And also as a Wiccan (my character is an atheist) who views what he does as witchcraft, who has seem probably 75% of the books he's read since the age of 13 (Im 35) on the subject refer to Wicca AS witchcraft I really dont see that fine fine difference youre trying for.
It would be as if you said the same thing about Christianity, but were referring to Christians in specific. Referring to the broad, you insult Prodestants, Presbetyrians, Pentecostals, Mormons, and Catholics (and Im sorry for any misspellings) just to name a few.
TheBlueMonkey wrote:I blame world of borecraft for polluting and softening the minds of some eve players.
Which the RPers or non, Goons or non? "Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::
Yes |
Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:27:00 -
[49] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Wait a minute?
Does this mean that Amanda Holland is replacing Lady Harlot as The Mitanni's new ego fapping alt? I don't think I got the memo TBH.
um Dunno who Lady Harlot is (I am relatively new) ut unless youre every person who dislikes Mittani's alt Im assuming youd understand how ppl can agree and not all be the same person
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Vera Denjuros
Terrortronfleet
5
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:29:00 -
[50] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Vera Denjuros wrote:
I was not examining the question of right and wrong, I was examining the consequenses for both persons, I thought that was plain, I am sorry that you got it wrong.
Too late to back-pedal. You declared that the action was the fault of the other player, not the mittani.
Back pedal your face bum, if you want to take what I said completly out of context and be a prick about it then I suggest you go hump a cactus. I have no will to argue with dumbasses like you. |
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
455
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:29:00 -
[51] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Amanda Holland wrote:Mars Theran wrote: Id ask you to edit that I know sane Wiccans and they dont take well to lies about their religion. I knew some wiccans in high school, first they drew attention to themselves and their religion by pasting "born again Pegan" stickers on their binders, and then they got pissed when people noticed it and said, huh? I always thought that was special. Cool story bro but one group of "doin it wrong" people does not a whole religion make nor base themselves off of [quote=Corina Jarr]If someone is "RPing" when they kill another person, they still go to jail (or death penalty, depending on location... or get off due to pathetic legal loopholes). Doesn't matter if the Mittani was RPing or not, he got what CCP determined to be a suitable punishment. Edit: also, likely to be locked
Unless you do it in a video game, yes.
And ppl that dont get that context ARE the problem. Like how its entirely cool for someone to tell someone to go pod themselves in game but not the same sentiment IRL. "Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::
Yes |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
651
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:30:00 -
[52] - Quote
Polly Oxford wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:As a Wiccan Priest, I do quite take offense at this guys remarks. This is the only thing worthwhile in this thread. I though that whole Wiccan thing was a joke religion. Besides the whole concept of a personal god being more than ridiculous, do you actually believe in magic? Define magic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_laws Rule #3 could very well apply to your question. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
651
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:32:00 -
[53] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Amanda Holland wrote:Mars Theran wrote: Id ask you to edit that I know sane Wiccans and they dont take well to lies about their religion. I knew some wiccans in high school, first they drew attention to themselves and their religion by pasting "born again Pegan" stickers on their binders, and then they got pissed when people noticed it and said, huh? I always thought that was special. Cool story bro but one group of "doin it wrong" people does not a whole religion make nor base themselves off of [quote=Corina Jarr]If someone is "RPing" when they kill another person, they still go to jail (or death penalty, depending on location... or get off due to pathetic legal loopholes). Doesn't matter if the Mittani was RPing or not, he got what CCP determined to be a suitable punishment. Edit: also, likely to be locked Unless you do it in a video game, yes. And ppl that dont get that context ARE the problem. Like how its entirely cool for someone to tell someone to go pod themselves in game but not the same sentiment IRL. TBH, I never met a single Wiccan who wasn't kinda douchy in high school, because we all felt being different made us special.
Being an adult cures you of that REAL quick. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
650
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:34:00 -
[54] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:TBH, I never met a single Wiccan who wasn't kinda douchy in high school, because we all felt being different made us special.
Being an adult cures you of that REAL quick.
Was it truly Wiccan, or trying to be Goth Wannabees ??
I kid. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:34:00 -
[55] - Quote
Vera Denjuros wrote:Mars Theran wrote:First, I'd like to note that Heath Ledger killed himself shortly after playing that role, following a period of depression where he stayed in doors and refused to communicate with friends, family, or peers to my knowledge.
That doesn't speak well of the effects of role-acting a clinically insane, twisted freak of nature on the mind of the actor. Less so when that actor delves to deeply into the psyche of the character in an attempt to better understand his motivations and intentions to improve their ability to portray the persona and archetype of that character.
Did you know that Friedrich Nietzsche slowly developed insanity during his career as a writer, delving into the less savory aspects of humankind, their nature, and the nature of Evil. Trying to understand such things isn't always a good idea; particularly if someone is already slightly imbalanced of mind as he was. Of course, it might have just been something in the Ink.
And so its a logical correlation to say that the cause of these two isolated cases of insanity was that they explored the baser nature of the human psyche? Are you familiar with the term "a fallicy of correlation and causation"? You assumed that because the one thing, insanity, happened after the other, that it was the cause but we all now that in 99 out of 100 other similar cases, both of insanity and of roleplaying the bad guy, there was no link whatsoever. This is the same sort of failed logic that causes religious fools to believe in miracles. Did you consider that maybe it was the other way around? Logically that is completly valid. As far as I know, Sean Bean doesnt have any mental problems and hes played the bad guy in over 20 films. David Lynch is a perfectly sane person dispite the nature of his films. Incidently, Michael Jackson went insane after having his skin tone changed to white, so maybe being white is the cause of insanity. Do you see what Im getting at? Dont you feel like a ****** now? Hang on to that feeling, you are going to need it if you continue to use logic like that.
Kinda what I was getting ah here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1217047#post1217047
and was dismissed lol |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
501
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:34:00 -
[56] - Quote
So that's how they get water in them in an arid climate.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
358
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:35:00 -
[57] - Quote
Polly Oxford wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:As a Wiccan Priest, I do quite take offense at this guys remarks. This is the only thing worthwhile in this thread. I though that whole Wiccan thing was a joke religion. Besides the whole concept of a personal god being more than ridiculous, do you actually believe in magic?
It's not so much as actual magic but rituals, unless you meet a teen Wiccan, then it's all Buffy and twilight type of Wiccan.
Wiccan and Pagan are actually some of the oldest forms of religion. You just don't hear about them as much anymore as they were primarily consumed by Christianity. Christmas is winter solstice. Easter is Spring equinox. Halloween is All Hallows Eve which is the Fall Equinox aka time of harvest. Taking All Hallows Eve for example, most of its rituals were to mark the end of summer and then bring in the Harvest for the winter months.
Up to you how seriously you still want to take those who claim they are of one of these 2 faiths/religions. And for the record, I'm neither. Supposed to be Catholic myself but my track record for church op's is downright horrible. Personally I find plenty of better things to do on Sunday afternoons. |
Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:36:00 -
[58] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Polly Oxford wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:As a Wiccan Priest, I do quite take offense at this guys remarks. This is the only thing worthwhile in this thread. I though that whole Wiccan thing was a joke religion. Besides the whole concept of a personal god being more than ridiculous, do you actually believe in magic? Define magic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_lawsRule #3 could very well apply to your question.
Could we not talk about religion and get my thread locked plz?
Yes I asked if he's change the post I didnt ask to have the thread derailed with religious talk so it can get locked |
Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:38:00 -
[59] - Quote
Vera Denjuros wrote:Bischopt wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:If someone is "RPing" when they kill another person, they still go to jail (or death penalty, depending on location... or get off due to pathetic legal loopholes).
Doesn't matter if the Mittani was RPing or not, he got what CCP determined to be a suitable punishment.
Edit: also, likely to be locked I was gonna say this as well. Is it alright for me to beat someone to a pulp in real life because i was just roleplaying...? He was punished for a EULA breach, for saying the guys ingame name and encouraging people to harrass him. The punishment was a 30 day ban which is quite a long one for his transgression. I doubt that it would be the same had there not been such a polical shitstorm about it. This had little to do with the things everyone was so ******* outraged about actually. Most of those lot was angry at the guy for mocking a suicical person. Massively ran the story as "cyberbullying" before actually looking into it and afterwards had to backpeddle and ended up apologizing for running an obviously unfounded sensationalist story. So here we are. I invite you to consider: Who was wronged more? The person in question had his ingame persona publizised and was publicly rediculed for his suicide story, if there was any relation to real life then the person himself decided to bring that inside the confines of the game, which means the fault is his own. The Mitanni had his real life name publizised in a very negative context for things he did within the confines of the game. Now, every time someone googles his name, up pops the "cyberbullying" troll. A lot of people on these forums should benefit from a reality check. Food for thought.
this - what I was trying to say yet apparently failed was I dont understnd all the consternation AFTER the punishment -had to put it in its own post cause too many quotes
Cipher Jones wrote:Quote:The drunken comment and afterwards is amazing when you look at it in the light of he was RPing. A total load of bullshit. If he was roleplaying he would have encouraged the character to biomass, not the player to kill himself. He overtly admits that. For you to deny it is ******* absurd.
so when you tell someone else to kill someone in game you ACTUALLY mean youre gonna murder them not shoot them with your guns?
Yeah load of bullshit |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
358
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:38:00 -
[60] - Quote
Amanda Holland wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Polly Oxford wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:As a Wiccan Priest, I do quite take offense at this guys remarks. This is the only thing worthwhile in this thread. I though that whole Wiccan thing was a joke religion. Besides the whole concept of a personal god being more than ridiculous, do you actually believe in magic? Define magic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_lawsRule #3 could very well apply to your question. Could we not talk about religion and get my thread locked plz?
It's a dead horse anyways, we're just asking the wiccans to perform a ritual to see it safely to the other world. |
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Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:41:00 -
[61] - Quote
Micheal Dietrich wrote:Amanda Holland wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Polly Oxford wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:As a Wiccan Priest, I do quite take offense at this guys remarks. This is the only thing worthwhile in this thread. I though that whole Wiccan thing was a joke religion. Besides the whole concept of a personal god being more than ridiculous, do you actually believe in magic? Define magic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_lawsRule #3 could very well apply to your question. Could we not talk about religion and get my thread locked plz? It's a dead horse anyways, we're just asking the wiccans to perform a ritual to see it safely to the other world.
aaaand reported anyhoo...
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
651
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:43:00 -
[62] - Quote
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
It's a dead horse anyways, we're just asking the wiccans to perform a ritual to see it safely to the other world.
Cruel, but hilarious.
There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:44:00 -
[63] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Vera Denjuros wrote:
Not just my perception, CCP decided that the Alliance panel was an official CCP platform and thus "within the confines of the game", and so The mittani was punished for a EULA breach. So what is troubling you?
Vera Denjuros wrote:The person in question had his ingame persona publizised and was publicly rediculed for his suicide story, if there was any relation to real life then the person himself decided to bring that inside the confines of the game, which means the fault is his own.
THIS ^^ ....is your argument. That it is his fault. When the mittani RAN WITH IT and encouraged self-extermination. That was the mittani's decision and action. THAT is taking Roleplaying as "Internet Space Villain" into Real Life. Stupid is as stupid does.
Cause we ALL KNOW getting your EVE name published as THE SAME reprecissions as having your REAL NAME (and address etc) published? Was the person that gave that info out ever banned? I know thats supposedly what ********** got it for an you cant say his name on the forums six years later |
Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:53:00 -
[64] - Quote
Micheal Dietrich wrote:Polly Oxford wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:As a Wiccan Priest, I do quite take offense at this guys remarks. This is the only thing worthwhile in this thread. I though that whole Wiccan thing was a joke religion. Besides the whole concept of a personal god being more than ridiculous, do you actually believe in magic? It's not so much as actual magic but rituals, unless you meet a teen Wiccan, then it's all Buffy and twilight type of Wiccan. Wiccan and Pagan are actually some of the oldest forms of religion. You just don't hear about them as much anymore as they were primarily consumed by Christianity.
From what friends have told me you also get those that believe the Buffy and Twilight is ALL THERE IS to he religion and ppl that wanna troll you for it like the quoted who think the religion ia just a joke.
Quote: Christmas is winter solstice. lol I know people that can point all kinds of Christman tradistions that arent Catholicism based that we still do
Quote: Easter is Spring equinox. Halloween is All Hallows Eve which is the Fall Equinox aka time of harvest. Taking All Hallows Eve for example, most of its rituals were to mark the end of summer and then bring in the Harvest for the winter months.
Up to you how seriously you still want to take those who claim they are of one of these 2 faiths/religions. And for the record, I'm neither. Supposed to be Catholic myself but my track record for church op's is downright horrible. Personally I find plenty of better things to do on Sunday afternoons.
Hell its up to ANYONE how seriously ANYONE takes ANY religion as far as Im concerned, the most interesting part of that religion Ive eheard was the infinite facetted diamond. It means everyone's got a bit of it right. I assume that means all the non harmful ones but who knows |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
359
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:00:00 -
[65] - Quote
Amanda Holland wrote: From what friends have told me you also get those that believe the Buffy and Twilight is ALL THERE IS to he religion and ppl that wanna troll you for it like the quoted who think the religion ia just a joke.
lol I know people that can point all kinds of Christman tradistions that arent Catholicism based that we still do
Hell its up to ANYONE how seriously ANYONE takes ANY religion as far as Im concerned, the most interesting part of that religion Ive eheard was the infinite facetted diamond. It means everyone's got a bit of it right. I assume that means all the non harmful ones but who knows
Thought you didn't want to talk about religion? |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
651
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:10:00 -
[66] - Quote
Amanda needs a break or something. Not really sure.
Unsubscribing. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
726
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:37:00 -
[67] - Quote
I can see a defense attorney making this argument before the Iceland Media Board. Famous last words. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:38:00 -
[68] - Quote
Micheal Dietrich wrote:Amanda Holland wrote: From what friends have told me you also get those that believe the Buffy and Twilight is ALL THERE IS to he religion and ppl that wanna troll you for it like the quoted who think the religion ia just a joke.
lol I know people that can point all kinds of Christman tradistions that arent Catholicism based that we still do
Hell its up to ANYONE how seriously ANYONE takes ANY religion as far as Im concerned, the most interesting part of that religion Ive eheard was the infinite facetted diamond. It means everyone's got a bit of it right. I assume that means all the non harmful ones but who knows
Thought you didn't want to talk about religion?
I was moving along the thread, replying to posts I wanted to... I was TRYING to keep the thread from bring locked but the posts Ive reported thatll probably happen anyways, doesnt matter Ill be unsubbing too then lol
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
2167
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Posted - 2012.04.30 18:25:00 -
[69] - Quote
Thread cleaned of off topic posts. I've got my eyes on this thread despite what my portrait might indicate. CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |-á@ccp_guard |
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Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control
261
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Posted - 2012.04.30 18:57:00 -
[70] - Quote
People need to stop bringing this **** up. The Mitanni apologized (sincerely) and he was appropriately punished. You can't change it and further discussing it only extends the already existing bad blood among this heavily divided community of ours.
It's already been established that in-game characters and rivalries should not carry into the real world. |
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Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
235
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:19:00 -
[71] - Quote
Psssst, that wasn't roleplaying. /whisper |
Metal Icarus
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
117
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:36:00 -
[72] - Quote
I like the OP's opinion on RP in eve.
Although, it disgusts me that while people say its just a game and they RP as a pirate (Joker) and scam people, they call people dumb and stupid for RPing as a white knight (batman).
I want to see more white knights, fighting the pirates and scammers to make EVE a better place. They can be RPers too! |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
142
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:51:00 -
[73] - Quote
EULA wrote:Roleplaying does not allow violation of rules
Or something like that, enough said.
Edit: Maybe more
I could care less about what somebody roleplays. I have roleplayed the badguy pirate in other games. In eve I have and still roleplay as part of the anti sansha group even though without more live events, it is a bit slower. One thing that always comes into play is that other players are peeps, and when I play the badguy etc, it is still gf and I treat them as the opposite team just like any other game. |
Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:55:00 -
[74] - Quote
Fredfredbug4 wrote:People need to stop bringing this **** up. The Mitanni apologized (sincerely) and he was appropriately punished. You can't change it and further discussing it only extends the already existing bad blood among this heavily divided community of ours.
It's already been established that in-game characters and rivalries should not carry into the real world.
I wasnt bringing it up to bash him, Im bringing it up to show support given all the other threads seem to be on the anti-mittani side Also, I dont think forgetting it and/or pretending it never happened is good for it either
Ana Vyr wrote:Psssst, that wasn't roleplaying. /whisper
Proof please that the reason he apologized was because he GENUINELY felt he'd done wrong and not because the comment was blown out of proportion. I heard the EVE-Radio thing. When he made the apology, he "dropped character". Which shows that till then he was in character.
Metal Icarus wrote:I like the OP's opinion on RP in eve.
Although, it disgusts me that while people say its just a game and they RP as a pirate (Joker) and scam people, they call people dumb and stupid for RPing as a white knight (batman).
I want to see more white knights, fighting the pirates and scammers to make EVE a better place. They can be RPers too!
What jobs are in EVE available to the white knight personality? Can you... go around and kill criminals on sight without CONCORD then killing you? Killing suicide gankers before they find a target? Oh yeah... CONCORD. Can you bring scammers to justice? Bring positive sec pirates to justice when theyre in high sec?
Guess you could go into lowsec to hunt pirates, kill belt rats, Mission I guess.
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Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Vera Denjuros wrote:Mars Theran wrote:First, I'd like to note that Heath Ledger killed himself shortly after playing that role, following a period of depression where he stayed in doors and refused to communicate with friends, family, or peers to my knowledge.
That doesn't speak well of the effects of role-acting a clinically insane, twisted freak of nature on the mind of the actor. Less so when that actor delves to deeply into the psyche of the character in an attempt to better understand his motivations and intentions to improve their ability to portray the persona and archetype of that character.
Did you know that Friedrich Nietzsche slowly developed insanity during his career as a writer, delving into the less savory aspects of humankind, their nature, and the nature of Evil. Trying to understand such things isn't always a good idea; particularly if someone is already slightly imbalanced of mind as he was. Of course, it might have just been something in the Ink.
And so its a logical correlation to say that the cause of these two isolated cases of insanity was that they explored the baser nature of the human psyche? Are you familiar with the term "a fallicy of correlation and causation"? You assumed that because the one thing, insanity, happened after the other, that it was the cause but we all now that in 99 out of 100 other similar cases, both of insanity and of roleplaying the bad guy, there was no link whatsoever. This is the same sort of failed logic that causes religious fools to believe in miracles. Did you consider that maybe it was the other way around? Logically that is completly valid. As far as I know, Sean Bean doesnt have any mental problems and hes played the bad guy in over 20 films. David Lynch is a perfectly sane person dispite the nature of his films. Incidently, Michael Jackson went insane after having his skin tone changed to white, so maybe being white is the cause of insanity. Do you see what Im getting at? Dont you feel like a ****** now? Hang on to that feeling, you are going to need it if you continue to use logic like that.
They're just examples, and I never suggested Heath Ledger was insane. Most people who do what he did are not insane at all. If they were they probably would have done something else.
"Tallian Saotome" wrote:Different note, Heath Ledger was a method actor. If you are familiar with method acting you would realize that once he took the role, he submerged himself in the character, and STAYED there til after he was done filming the movie. This means he did not get a break from being submerged in a role that was presumably against his character(I didn't know the guy, can't actually say he wasn't an insane mass murdering clown who just never got caught) so it doesn't actually hold up next to role playing, where you leave the role on a very regular basis and have the relief of being yourself for as long as you need to.
This is essentially what I was indicating. If you read my posts, you would see that I never actually compared the Mittani to either of these individuals. I was just using them as a reference point and example to show how people can potentially enter unrecoverable states as a result of exposure to certain elements that most people never experience. Two extreme examples to be sure.
You are way off base with your assumptions of my thinking to. Michael Jackson was loopy for alltogether different reasons. Have you ever heard of the connection between child stars and mental disorders?
Take into account that he was African American fighting racism, pushed by a family that was obsessive in their desire to see him and the rest of their children gain fame, etc... you see what I am getting at. Changing his skin to more resemble white and getting plastic surgery to make himself less African American in appearance is only a symptom.
Anyway, you seem to have flung the whole idea off into never-never land there, so I'm just going to leave it at that.
This whole series of threads is a little off-base with accusations and prolonged discussion over what is essentially a moot point anyhow. Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
Mathias Hex
Hillcrest Armaments
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Amanda Holland wrote:and Im not a Goon. THEY tend to be pro Mittani without hiding behind NPC alts lol
Unless they are trying to be creative. I mean you... Unless you are trying to be creative! I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy f**k. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.30 23:32:00 -
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Just two comments and a question:
#1 He wasn't role-playing.
#2 He wasn't role-playing.
Q1 Do you know what role-playing means?
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Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
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Posted - 2012.04.30 23:48:00 -
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Amanda Holland wrote:
Note: I never said "mittani did no wrong, he never should have been punished." I said I dont get all the outrage after the apology (which even HE says he was out of character FOR). He aplogised. He was going to step down from the CSM. REMOVING him from the CSM THEN banning him for 30 days was far and above what was called for in this situation. The ONLY reason that happened was because the gaming press got the wrong facts (or lied) about the original story and so badly blew up the fake story that they went back and corrected it under pressure (pressure that the editor at massively for one called in itself cyberbullying). Mittani's real life info was leaked, his address was leaked, he's tagged as a cyberbully now, all for an off the cuff, stupid, drunken, mistake.
When is the permaban of the guy that leaked Mittani's info coming? Thats the usual response for THAT infraction by CCP.
Well, I understand that people thinking the punishment was over-done. However it would have been the same for any situation. Normally, CCP would never know about it unless the person who was directed against filed a petition. An apology cannot bypass a rules violation simply because there is no way to verify sincere remorse or an attempt to bypass the judgement. Receiving a ban from what I gather does mean you cannot serve on CSM for reasons in whatever the document that CSM have to agree to. Really I couldn't see it going any other way and when the whole issue started, is pretty much what I saw happening. From the start I expected 30 days ish and such meaning could not CSM. Not based on any news article, or what somebody at some e-magazine I never read, but straight up from watching the stream and doing the epic facepalm at his actions.
I cannot comment on the news stories, but what I read seemed fairly accurate to the situation, aside from sensationalizing the term of cyberbullying. From a legal sense we discussed it and in most cases, the legal jargon could actually have what happened as criminal actions. Actually in Icelandic law what happened is against their criminal code. The law cannot differentiate between sarcasm and serious because of the potential for sarcastic comments to have serious results. 99% of the time, suicidal statements could be bogus, but in better concience we should always be aware of the 1% and act accordingly. This does not mean change the game play for them, but be more concious of comments and followup actions.
Lastly it is tough to comment on the releasing of private info. Outside of the real name, I do not know any part of it that was released publicly by an individual. Actions that could relate to release of a real name couldn't be enforced because it was information that was previously released to be made known by Mittani himself from what I gather. If somebody re-iterated it, that could not be acted upon unless there was some sort of request/discussion prior to the fact with the specific individual that I don't know about. His address part, I have no idea who released that, in which case that is the legal realm outside of eve and until any legal issues are dealt with, we will not be hearing about them. First thing about legal cases is not to discuss them outside of trials until completed. |
Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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CCP Guard wrote:Thread cleaned of off topic posts. I've got my eyes on this thread despite what my portrait might indicate.
thx fer not locking it instead
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Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.01 03:52:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Just two comments and a question:
#1 He wasn't role-playing.
#2 He wasn't role-playing.
Q1 Do you know what role-playing means?
firstly, Im assuming you dont RP often cause one of the easiest ways to **** off someone that does is to tell them theyre not RPing the character they made and developed "the right way". YOU dont know how to RP MY character and all.
in basics um lemme think... playing a character that is not you
in specifics While simple forms of role-playing exist in traditional children's games of make believe, role-playing games add a level of sophistication and persistence to this basic idea with additions such as game facilitators and rules of interaction. Participants in a role-playing game will generate specific characters and an ongoing plot. A consistent system of rules and a more or less realistic campaign setting in games aids suspension of disbelief. The level of realism in games ranges from just enough internal consistency to set up a believable story or credible challenge up to full-blown simulations of real-world processes.
it also depends on what type youre talking about as this kind of covers two
this isnt one covered its just an example:
Quote:Tabletop A tabletop RPG Main article: Tabletop role-playing game
Tabletop or pen-and-paper (PnP) RPGs are conducted through discussion in a small social gathering. The GM describes the game world and its inhabitants. The other players describe the intended actions of their characters, and the GM describes the outcomes.Some outcomes are determined by the game system, and some are chosen by the GM.
This is the format in which role-playing games were first popularized. The first commercially available RPG, Dungeons & Dragons (D&D), was inspired by fantasy literature and the wargaming hobby and was published in 1974. The popularity of D&D led to the birth of the tabletop role-playing game industry, which publishes games with many different themes, rules, and styles of play.
This format is often referred to simply as a role-playing game. To distinguish this form of RPG from other formats, the retronyms tabletop role-playing game or pen and paper role-playing game are sometimes used, though neither a table nor pen and paper are strictly necessary.
more to the point here tho:
Quote:Live action Main article: Live action role-playing game A fantasy LARP group
Or Fanfest when playing as the larger than life "THE MITTANI" evil spaceship king guy - pre comments he already got punished for and why the slides he prepared were OKed by CCP
Quote: A LARP is played more like improvisational theatre. Participants act out their characters' actions instead of describing them, and the real environment is used to represent the imaginary setting of the game world. Players are often costumed as their characters and use appropriate props, and the venue may be decorated to resemble the fictional setting. Some live action role-playing games use rock-paper-scissors or comparison of attributes to resolve conflicts symbolically, while other LARPs use physical combat with simulated arms such as airsoft guns or foam weapons.
LARPs vary in size from a handful of players to several thousand, and in duration from a couple of hours to several days. Because the number of players in a LARP is usually larger than in a tabletop role-playing game, and the players may be interacting in separate physical spaces, there is typically less of an emphasis on tightly maintaining a narrative or directly entertaining the players, and game sessions are often managed in a more distributed manner.
Quote: Massively multi-player online role-playing games (MMORPGs) combine the large-scale social interaction and persistent world of MUDs with graphic interfaces. Most MMORPGs do not actively promote in-character role-playing, however players can use the games' communication functions to role-play so long as other players cooperate. The majority of players in MMORPGs do not engage in role-play in this sense.
- that last bit being why I was surprised there was such a strong community here for this at all
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Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.01 03:54:00 -
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also...
Quote:Role-playing video games (commonly referred to as role-playing games or RPGs) are a video game genre where the player controls a character, and lives as this character when immersed in a fictional world.
Somewhat applies here
Quote:though superficially similar, MMORPGs lend their appeal more to the socializing influences of being online with hundreds or even thousands of other players at a time, and trace their origins more from MUDs than from CRPGs like Ultima and Wizardry. Rather than focusing on the "old school" considerations of memorizing huge numbers of stats and esoterica and battling it out in complex, tactical environments, players instead spend much of their time forming and maintaining guilds, corps and clans. The distinction between CRPGs and MMORPGs and MUDs can as a result be very sharp, likenable to the difference between "attending a renaissance fair and reading a good fantasy novel"
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EVE Stig
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.05.01 03:58:00 -
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Markus Reese wrote:Amanda Holland wrote:
Note: I never said "mittani did no wrong, he never should have been punished." I said I dont get all the outrage after the apology (which even HE says he was out of character FOR). He aplogised. He was going to step down from the CSM. REMOVING him from the CSM THEN banning him for 30 days was far and above what was called for in this situation. The ONLY reason that happened was because the gaming press got the wrong facts (or lied) about the original story and so badly blew up the fake story that they went back and corrected it under pressure (pressure that the editor at massively for one called in itself cyberbullying). Mittani's real life info was leaked, his address was leaked, he's tagged as a cyberbully now, all for an off the cuff, stupid, drunken, mistake.
When is the permaban of the guy that leaked Mittani's info coming? Thats the usual response for THAT infraction by CCP.
Well, I understand that people thinking the punishment was over-done. However it would have been the same for any situation.
Do you truly think that if any random jackoff in EVE were to find a person susceptible to this and they were to then use their corp and contacts (not even on live streaming internet) to try and get the guy to off himself all youd get was a 30 day ban? Yeah, no. Youd get a permaban. Mitens got off light cause he has friends in high places.
Markus Reese wrote:
Lastly it is tough to comment on the releasing of private info. Outside of the real name, I do not know any part of it that was released publicly by an individual. Actions that could relate to release of a real name couldn't be enforced because it was information that was previously released to be made known by Mittani himself from what I gather. If somebody re-iterated it, that could not be acted upon unless there was some sort of request/discussion prior to the fact with the specific individual that I don't know about. His address part, I have no idea who released that, in which case that is the legal realm outside of eve and until any legal issues are dealt with, we will not be hearing about them. First thing about legal cases is not to discuss them outside of trials until completed.
Ya, you really cant get pissed at giving out his real name (I like that whole ANGLE it was funny) when CCP gave out his real name when he joined theCSM "Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:17:00 -
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EVE Stig wrote:Markus Reese wrote:Amanda Holland wrote:
Note: I never said "mittani did no wrong, he never should have been punished." I said I dont get all the outrage after the apology (which even HE says he was out of character FOR). He aplogised. He was going to step down from the CSM. REMOVING him from the CSM THEN banning him for 30 days was far and above what was called for in this situation. The ONLY reason that happened was because the gaming press got the wrong facts (or lied) about the original story and so badly blew up the fake story that they went back and corrected it under pressure (pressure that the editor at massively for one called in itself cyberbullying). Mittani's real life info was leaked, his address was leaked, he's tagged as a cyberbully now, all for an off the cuff, stupid, drunken, mistake.
When is the permaban of the guy that leaked Mittani's info coming? Thats the usual response for THAT infraction by CCP.
Well, I understand that people thinking the punishment was over-done. However it would have been the same for any situation. Do you truly think that if any random jackoff in EVE were to find a person susceptible to this and they were to then use their corp and contacts (not even on live streaming internet) to try and get the guy to off himself all youd get was a 30 day ban? Yeah, no. Youd get a permaban. Mitens got off light cause he has friends in high places.
More tinfoil, Isle 2
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Tinfoil Dan
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:26:00 -
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Amanda Holland wrote:
More tinfoil, Isle 2
Yo called????
I tells yea, the whole thing has me in the chills. It was like no rules! There are no rules for this sort of stuff, the omnipitent drum bunny from the core of the earth just deals out punishment. All must Obey....
They say they have rules and policies, guidelines of punishment, but I don't believe it. If that was the case then you would be able to, I dunno, petition and request the enforcement policy.
It must be on a stone tablet where circumstances cannot be taken into account somewhere. Protected by mystic robots born from dark matter. |
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ISD LoneLynx
Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.05.01 08:56:00 -
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Locked this as another version of already discussed (and closed) thread. Yes, that one about The Mittani's apology. ISD LoneLynx Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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