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Arana Tellen
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.03.21 11:41:00 -
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Yes I had it reported and removed.
Good day. ---------------------------------
Oh noes!
Originally by: CCP Greyscale *moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal*
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Admiral Bear
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Posted - 2009.03.21 11:41:00 -
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hi i like attention too |
Pearre Dash
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Posted - 2009.03.21 11:42:00 -
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Heh.
Why?
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.03.21 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Arana Tellen Yes I had it reported and removed.
Good day.
Congratz on that, but why are you carrying a bow on your back and have a horn glued to your forehead?
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Arana Tellen
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.03.21 11:45:00 -
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Edited by: Arana Tellen on 21/03/2009 11:46:01 You are not allowed to sell characters for real money. End of story.
Hey at least my char does not look like a clone of everyone else ---------------------------------
Oh noes!
Originally by: CCP Greyscale *moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal*
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Arana Tellen Edited by: Arana Tellen on 21/03/2009 11:46:01 You are not allowed to sell characters for real money. End of story.
Hey at least my char does not look like a clone of everyone else
OOOOOO BURNNNNN
my character is very unique because un like you lot i was scientifically produced for optimum forum whoring efficiency
CEO of Armoured InvestmentsÖ
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xeneon
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Posted - 2009.03.21 11:53:00 -
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You're medal is on it's way!
Seriously, you enforced the rules (which is good) but you really don't have to brag about it.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.03.21 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Arana Tellen
Hey at least my char does not look like a clone of everyone else
Most people just have a better sense of taste than you
Your portrait just looked like it belonged to a generic fantasy setting, so it caught my eye. I do wonder how they manage to keep those fancy accessories stay put though. They look so out-of-place in a picture, so how can it work live in ambulation.
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Shionoya Risa
The Xenodus Initiative. Overclockers Podpilot Services
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Posted - 2009.03.21 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C
My character is very unique because unlike you lot I was scientifically produced for optimum forum whoring efficiency.
Yeah, you're right, you are as fugly as the rest of the forum *****s. -----
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Arana Tellen
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.03.21 12:01:00 -
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Everyone will have to redisign their avatar come ambulation. ---------------------------------
Oh noes!
Originally by: CCP Greyscale *moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal*
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Asuka Smith
Gallente StarHunt
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Posted - 2009.03.21 12:07:00 -
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What is wrong with letting a fellow vet who has had his fun earn his investment back? I have no idea why people rage against the success of others...
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Sidus
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Posted - 2009.03.21 12:09:00 -
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Edited by: Sidus on 21/03/2009 12:10:28 This kind of attitude makes me sick.... just like the macro/isk farmer winge brigade....wah wah wah I'm telling!!!
Have you really nothing better to do?
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Imertu Solientai
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.21 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus Edited by: Sidus on 21/03/2009 12:10:28 This kind of attitude makes me sick.... just like the macro/isk farmer winge brigade....wah wah wah I'm telling!!!
Have you really nothing better to do?
Oh hi Mr. ISK buyer/Macro miner/Macro hauler/ISK seller. How nice to see you on these forums today.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.03.21 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus Edited by: Sidus on 21/03/2009 12:10:28 This kind of attitude makes me sick.... just like the macro/isk farmer winge brigade....wah wah wah I'm telling!!!
Have you really nothing better to do?
Mmmm cheaters' tears. Even tangier than carebears'!
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Arana Tellen
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.03.21 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Sidus Edited by: Sidus on 21/03/2009 12:10:28 This kind of attitude makes me sick.... just like the macro/isk farmer winge brigade....wah wah wah I'm telling!!!
Have you really nothing better to do?
Mmmm cheaters' tears. Even tangier than carebears'!
Oi! they be my tears ---------------------------------
Oh noes!
Originally by: CCP Greyscale *moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal*
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Asuka Smith
Gallente StarHunt
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Posted - 2009.03.21 12:27:00 -
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I doubt Sidius buys isk, this sort of tattle-tale mentality where everyone runs to mommy whenever something they do not like happens gets on my nerves too. I support reporting isk sellers/buyers because that directly effects me and screws up the economy. But selling a character does not change the game for me or anyone. That character existed before, would have continued to exist anyways. The only difference is who is playing him now, and the only reason to report him is because you are a sadist. When you get tired of the game why not let someone else have a go at it with your character, and why not get your subscription fees back if you can.
Or maybe he quit and tried to sell his account because the economy is bad, he lost his job, and his kids are hungry. Thanks to the OP this guy who just wanted to feed his kids has to explain to them that some self-righteous ***** with an ego trip felt that despite having nothing personally at stake to lose or gain by taking food out of their mouths he did it for the hell of it and that that is just how people are. Now his kids are going to grow up hungry with nothing but hatred for their fellow man in their hearts, knowing the cruelty that a certain primate is prone to. This malice will grow and grow until eventually in their early 20's something sends one or both children over the edge, and they go on a homicidal shooting spree killing a pregnant mother in front of her husband and a six year old girl buying a cone of ice cream on her birthday. All thanks to the OP who it would not have effected either way had the account been sold or not.
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.03.21 12:42:00 -
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Wow.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.03.21 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Asuka Smith Edited by: Asuka Smith on 21/03/2009 12:31:11 Edited by: Asuka Smith on 21/03/2009 12:29:54 I doubt Sidius buys isk, this sort of tattle-tale mentality where everyone runs to mommy whenever something they do not like happens gets on my nerves too. I support reporting isk sellers/buyers because that directly effects me and screws up the economy. But selling a character does not change the game for me or anyone. That character existed before, would have continued to exist anyways. The only difference is who is playing him now, and the only reason to report him is because you are a sadist. When you get tired of the game why not let someone else have a go at it with your character, and why not get your subscription fees back if you can. My character is MINE, whether the EULA says that or the courts agree in my heart I know that my character is MY character. (And I have a feeling that based on that Everquest case from a while back that the same suit would work vs. CCP or any other MMO company that tried to ban your character, so I think the courts actually do agree with me and anyone else who supports characters being an asset owned by the individual player and not the company that allowed their creation)
Or maybe he quit and tried to sell his account because the economy is bad, he lost his job, and his kids are hungry. Thanks to the OP this guy who just wanted to feed his kids has to explain to them that some self-righteous ***** with an ego trip felt that despite having nothing personally at stake to lose or gain by taking food out of their mouths he did it for the hell of it and that that is just how people are. Now his kids are going to grow up hungry with nothing but hatred for their fellow man in their hearts, knowing the cruelty that a certain primate is prone to. This malice will grow and grow until eventually in their early 20's something sends one or both children over the edge, and they go on a homicidal shooting spree killing a pregnant mother in front of her husband and a six year old girl buying a cone of ice cream on her birthday. The twins are then sent to a mental institution on the taxpayer dime where they receive $120,000 a year in treatment each for the rest of their lives. All thanks to the OP who it would not have effected either way had the account been sold or not.
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Praetor Imperious
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.21 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
Originally by: Arana Tellen Yes I had it reported and removed.
Good day.
Congratz on that, but why are you carrying a bow on your back and have a horn glued to your forehead?
I'm still waiting to hear a respectable reply to this ^
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Jana Clant
New Dawn Tribe New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.03.21 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Asuka Smith Edited by: Asuka Smith on 21/03/2009 12:31:11 Edited by: Asuka Smith on 21/03/2009 12:29:54 I doubt Sidius buys isk, this sort of tattle-tale mentality where everyone runs to mommy whenever something they do not like happens gets on my nerves too. I support reporting isk sellers/buyers because that directly effects me and screws up the economy. But selling a character does not change the game for me or anyone. That character existed before, would have continued to exist anyways. The only difference is who is playing him now, and the only reason to report him is because you are a sadist. When you get tired of the game why not let someone else have a go at it with your character, and why not get your subscription fees back if you can. My character is MINE, whether the EULA says that or the courts agree in my heart I know that my character is MY character. (And I have a feeling that based on that Everquest case from a while back that the same suit would work vs. CCP or any other MMO company that tried to ban your character, so I think the courts actually do agree with me and anyone else who supports characters being an asset owned by the individual player and not the company that allowed their creation)
Or maybe he quit and tried to sell his account because the economy is bad, he lost his job, and his kids are hungry. Thanks to the OP this guy who just wanted to feed his kids has to explain to them that some self-righteous ***** with an ego trip felt that despite having nothing personally at stake to lose or gain by taking food out of their mouths he did it for the hell of it and that that is just how people are. Now his kids are going to grow up hungry with nothing but hatred for their fellow man in their hearts, knowing the cruelty that a certain primate is prone to. This malice will grow and grow until eventually in their early 20's something sends one or both children over the edge, and they go on a homicidal shooting spree killing a pregnant mother in front of her husband and a six year old girl buying a cone of ice cream on her birthday. The twins are then sent to a mental institution on the taxpayer dime where they receive $120,000 a year in treatment each for the rest of their lives. All thanks to the OP who it would not have effected either way had the account been sold or not.
Great tale you got there.
Regardless, selling characters for RL money is clearly stated as against the EULA. According to your logic, just because someone needs to feed his family, it would be okay to commit an illegal action, say, rob a bank?
New Eden Research, where your research gets done!
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Droog 1
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Posted - 2009.03.21 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Jana Clant
Originally by: Asuka Smith Edited by: Asuka Smith on 21/03/2009 12:31:11 Edited by: Asuka Smith on 21/03/2009 12:29:54 I doubt Sidius buys isk, this sort of tattle-tale mentality where everyone runs to mommy whenever something they do not like happens gets on my nerves too. I support reporting isk sellers/buyers because that directly effects me and screws up the economy. But selling a character does not change the game for me or anyone. That character existed before, would have continued to exist anyways. The only difference is who is playing him now, and the only reason to report him is because you are a sadist. When you get tired of the game why not let someone else have a go at it with your character, and why not get your subscription fees back if you can. My character is MINE, whether the EULA says that or the courts agree in my heart I know that my character is MY character. (And I have a feeling that based on that Everquest case from a while back that the same suit would work vs. CCP or any other MMO company that tried to ban your character, so I think the courts actually do agree with me and anyone else who supports characters being an asset owned by the individual player and not the company that allowed their creation)
Or maybe he quit and tried to sell his account because the economy is bad, he lost his job, and his kids are hungry. Thanks to the OP this guy who just wanted to feed his kids has to explain to them that some self-righteous ***** with an ego trip felt that despite having nothing personally at stake to lose or gain by taking food out of their mouths he did it for the hell of it and that that is just how people are. Now his kids are going to grow up hungry with nothing but hatred for their fellow man in their hearts, knowing the cruelty that a certain primate is prone to. This malice will grow and grow until eventually in their early 20's something sends one or both children over the edge, and they go on a homicidal shooting spree killing a pregnant mother in front of her husband and a six year old girl buying a cone of ice cream on her birthday. The twins are then sent to a mental institution on the taxpayer dime where they receive $120,000 a year in treatment each for the rest of their lives. All thanks to the OP who it would not have effected either way had the account been sold or not.
Great tale you got there.
Regardless, selling characters for RL money is clearly stated as against the EULA. According to your logic, just because someone needs to feed his family, it would be okay to commit an illegal action, say, rob a bank?
Oh ffs. I'm against isk selling/buying and think that Asuka is talking out of her arse but comparing selling a char on ebay to robbing a bank is silly. Selling a character is not against any law. It is against the EULA.
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Asuka Smith
Gallente StarHunt
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Posted - 2009.03.21 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Jana Clant Great tale you got there.
Regardless, selling characters for RL money is clearly stated as against the EULA. According to your logic, just because someone needs to feed his family, it would be okay to commit an illegal action, say, rob a bank?
LAW: An arbitrary set of rules that draw rigid imaginary lines with one side being legal and the other being illegal.
MORALS: An absolute set of rules put in place by ones own self which draws an imaginary line with one side being right, and the other being wrong.
EULA: A non-binding notepad document worth less than the paper it was printed on (oh wait it is digital). The EULAs in most MMOs have never been tested in a court of law so who knows if it would hold up or not, but I doubt it would. (If I put a EULA on the trail to my house that says "I will shoot you if you come inside" and you sign it for some reason and then I shoot you I will still be going to jail for murder so that is one example of a EULA not meaning a goddamn thing)
In my view the law has a lot more to do with running an orderly society than with what is right and wrong, and in the eyes of the law those children should probably starve to death (There are social health services which would stop that from happening, but if a court was faced with the choice of letting a man break the law to feed his children or letting them die in the street they would be OBLIGATED to shut those children outside). Therefore if he decided to rob a bank to support his children I would have no problem with it. I will go ever further and say that unless it was my bank or I was going to be directly effected in some way I would not are if he robbed the bank to buy a bunch of drugs or something stupid and trivial. Not my problem and none of my business. The reason I mentioned the morals above is because it is more important in determining whether it is okay to rob a bank to feed children rather than the particular municipalities stance on bank-money-child-feeding.
PS: The only case that I know which has gone to court in this regard was a guy who sued SOE because they banned his character either after he sold it or because he tried to sell it (It was back when everquest was a big deal so I am slightly fuzzy). He sued SOE saying that HE owned the character, because had put the time into it. SOE argued that the EULA clearly stated that THEY owned the character. His suit was successful and he used the argument that when he bought the disc to EQ he bought everything that was in the game, the same as if I bought a hamburger, it was just up to him to "unlock" it or whatever terminology they used. I believe he got a big pile of money.
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Warlord7
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Posted - 2009.03.21 13:14:00 -
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LOL, so what do you want a cookie or some kinda of incentive for being some kinda of junior CCP police man. Your still a SNITCH, seriously who goes on ebay to see who selling characters just so they can report it (other than ccp officials). YOU remind me of Dwight from The Office.
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Johann Callasan
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.03.21 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Asuka Smith What is wrong with letting a fellow vet who has had his fun earn his investment back? I have no idea why people rage against the success of others...
Because there is no guarantee that the person in question actually - oh, I dunno - PLAYED his character?
Remember, before they stopped allowing training while the account s inactive, people would farm characters then sell 'em for RL cash - that';s why the policy was put into place after all. That's money NOT in CCP's pocket. Little difference between character farming and macrro-mining, really. Both take cash out of CCP's pocket by removing timesinks - timesinks that have to be paid for to CCP otherwise.
Such shenanigans have been frowned on and/or been bannable in just about any MMO that's ever existed - the maker of the game wants the money, after all, It's how they stay in business.
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Skalet
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Posted - 2009.03.21 13:32:00 -
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one thing i hate the most , is self righeous jerks.
regardless of wether it was right or wrong, to come here and post shows you deserve everything bad in life.
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Johann Callasan
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.03.21 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Asuka Smith
Originally by: Jana Clant Great tale you got there.
Regardless, selling characters for RL money is clearly stated as against the EULA. According to your logic, just because someone needs to feed his family, it would be okay to commit an illegal action, say, rob a bank?
LAW: An arbitrary set of rules that draw rigid imaginary lines with one side being legal and the other being illegal.
MORALS: An absolute set of rules put in place by ones own self which draws an imaginary line with one side being right, and the other being wrong.
EULA: A non-binding notepad document worth less than the paper it was printed on (oh wait it is digital). The EULAs in most MMOs have never been tested in a court of law so who knows if it would hold up or not, but I doubt it would. (If I put a EULA on the trail to my house that says "I will shoot you if you come inside" and you sign it for some reason and then I shoot you I will still be going to jail for murder so that is one example of a EULA not meaning a goddamn thing)
<rest of rant removed>
Tell that to MDY Industries, please. I'm sure that they'd LOVE to hear how a EULA is non-binding - especially as they just lost a lawsuit to Vivendi over a bot they wrote, and that non-binding EULA just got 'em put - oh, how best to put this... OUT OF BUSINESS, and owing fines in the millions?
'Course, there were copyright issues too - a bot is not the same as a character, after all. But the precedent is there, now - that EULAS can be and are binding contracts.
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Miilla
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Posted - 2009.03.21 13:33:00 -
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If you want to trade for real money go here http://www.entropiauniverse.com/entropiauniverse/
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Asuka Smith
Gallente StarHunt
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Posted - 2009.03.21 13:40:00 -
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Ghost training does not cost CCP money. If you train a skill that takes two months, and you only pay for one month, that is $15 you just paid to play for one month and then the month that you are ghost training you are doing exactly that YOU ARE NOT LOGGED ON USING ANNNNYYYYY server resources besides the SP +1 +2 +3 going on on the separate skills server. I doubt that the SP +1 +2 +3 is using more than two or three pennies when everyone is aggregated.
In fact, character farming would be a better form of macro farming than mining for the playerbase, but the same/worse for CCP. That is why they are much better at stopping character sales than macro miners (you are right, they are all about the money).
Macro-miners consume server resources, but they generally all cluster together so only other macro miners have to deal with the lag (or idiot mission runners who cannot handle leaving Motsu, pro-tip try Eitu). However they pay every month, and I assume that probably like 10-25% of the subscription fee is profit so it is better to get two months from a macro miner and deal with the server usage than one month from a character farmer and not have any server usage. Macro-miners hurt players by lagging up mission hubs, hogging ice belts, ruining high-sec mining, and in the case of the macro-missioners adding in huge inflation.
Character farmers however cost CCP next to nothing, give CCP substantially more than they take, do not create any new ISK for inflation, do not lag the servers, and in the end the character winds up in the hands of a newb who will grow to be whatever he wants in this great world, just 20m SP faster or however much. This is BY FAR the preferred method if we had to choose (I would prefer neither and only have personal sales be allowed but it is impossible to discriminate effectively).
This is why I am so mad at the OP and trolling this thread so hard, because CCP is obligated to ban everyone they find breaking any rules because if they gave everyone a chance to speak their case they would never get anything done. That is where the individual comes in, when he sees some college kid or some unemployed sob story selling his character 'cus he needs the cash on e-bay he should look the other way because it is the right thing to do and he would want the same courtesy. It is a victimless action and in the end we get to keep a pilot in EVE for epic pew pew and CCP gets to keep their $15 from a new CC#.
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Imertu Solientai
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.21 13:40:00 -
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WOW, the number of bitter cheaters in this thread is epic. I guess you all support ISK buying too, 'cause that ISK was already in the game too'? How about account hacking, 'cause the account only changed hands and nothing in game changed'?
Yeah, your argument isn't very good is it?
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Skillzero
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.03.21 13:42:00 -
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Edited by: Skillzero on 21/03/2009 13:42:22
Originally by: Imertu Solientai WOW, the number of bitter cheaters in this thread is epic. I guess you all support ISK buying too, 'cause that ISK was already in the game too'? How about account hacking, 'cause the account only changed hands and nothing in game changed'?
Yeah, your argument isn't very good is it?
Your argument doesn't have any supporting facts...
It isn't even an argument, its more of a question.
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