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Lanissum
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 21:20:00 -
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I have an alt, called Cristal, who has circa 15mil SP. He has almost maxed drone skills, and is about 2 months from flying a carrier.
With another month of training, he can have cap reps, remote cap reps, and fighters, plus all the associated mods [triage, drone links, etc].
So, 3 months, or another 3 mil sp till having what *I* think a decently fitted carrier needs.
But, I've read that I shouldn't think about caps until I have like 30mil plus sp.
Why shouldn't I get a carrier w/ about 18m sp? [It will be used in gang work only, ofc]
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PMolkenthin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.21 21:27:00 -
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Get a thanatos.
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 21:31:00 -
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templars, used by amarian carriers
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Lanissum
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 21:42:00 -
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I was aiming for a thanatos, but why should I go for templar fighters?
Afaik, it shouldn't be hard to cross train for different race's fighters.
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Iron Jaw
Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 21:42:00 -
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Intresting question.
I would definatly do your your doing now and get the skills for carrier etc so in the future you have the option to fly a carrier if you need/want too. However you have to ask yourself if you can afford to run a carrier once you've made the inital investment and also how owning a carrier going to benefit you and your corp mates, if your in a big 0.0 alliance then a Carrier can be quite fun in hotdrops etc, however you tend to get roped into moving stuff around for people.
If your not in a 0.0 alliance and just a small/medium sized lowsec corp then carrier ownership might be a bit pointless.
If you buy a carrier and all your left with is somthing you can look at in your hanger then you might be better to just go for specialist in some other smaller shiptype, or different capital altogeather like jump freighter if all your going to be doing is moving stuff.
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 21:45:00 -
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specilist ship being ishtar or even go up to EOStank like a ***** and has drones... but yeah stick to something droney
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Admiral Bear
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Posted - 2009.03.21 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Lanissum I was aiming for a thanatos, but why should I go for templar fighters?
Afaik, it shouldn't be hard to cross train for different race's fighters.
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Lanissum
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Bear
Originally by: Lanissum I was aiming for a thanatos, but why should I go for templar fighters?
Afaik, it shouldn't be hard to cross train for different race's fighters.
This is why you shouldn't get a carrier.
Erm, fighters all have the same pre-reqs. So, I was right... and what are you talking about?
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Dacril
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Posted - 2009.03.21 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Lanissum
Originally by: Admiral Bear
Originally by: Lanissum I was aiming for a thanatos, but why should I go for templar fighters?
Afaik, it shouldn't be hard to cross train for different race's fighters.
This is why you shouldn't get a carrier.
Erm, fighters all have the same pre-reqs. So, I was right... and what are you talking about?
"shouldnt" makes all the difference here.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: Lanissum
Originally by: Admiral Bear
Originally by: Lanissum I was aiming for a thanatos, but why should I go for templar fighters?
Afaik, it shouldn't be hard to cross train for different race's fighters.
This is why you shouldn't get a carrier.
Erm, fighters all have the same pre-reqs. So, I was right... and what are you talking about?
His point is that if you knew enough about carriers to actually make use of them — and have any use for them — you'd recognize that the templar comment is just someone trying to be funny by repeating an old EVE meme.
Before you start training for carriers, ask yourself this: why do you need it? What will you be using it for? What function will it fill? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.21 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: Lanissum
Originally by: Admiral Bear
Originally by: Lanissum I was aiming for a thanatos, but why should I go for templar fighters?
Afaik, it shouldn't be hard to cross train for different race's fighters.
This is why you shouldn't get a carrier.
Erm, fighters all have the same pre-reqs. So, I was right... and what are you talking about?
It's a Templar, a fighter drone used by Amarrian carriers... --
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Larkonis Trassler
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2009.03.21 22:53:00 -
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If you're asking if you're ready for a carrier, you are not ready for a carrier.
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Iridescent Moon
Caldari Iridescent Dawn
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Posted - 2009.03.21 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: Larkonis Trassler If you're asking if you're ready for a carrier, you are not ready for a carrier.
3 months is more then enough time to learn about flying a Capital. It's not like he trained up his alt and has a carrier sitting in a station ready to go and is now asking what to do with it.
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Lithalnas
Amarr Headcrabs
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Posted - 2009.03.21 23:28:00 -
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here is a good reason why you shouldnt
"Everyone wants a cap killmail" -------------
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Shining Tears
Caldari The DARLEXS
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Posted - 2009.03.21 23:37:00 -
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i only have 12 mill sp, i fly a carrier but then again i started this toon to only fly carriers. i wouldnt take her into a fight with it yet tho
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2009.03.21 23:39:00 -
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You sound like you have lots of honour. I'm sure you'll do fine. -
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.21 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn You sound like you have lots of honour. I'm sure you'll do fine.
lol I like this one. --
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Lanissum
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn You sound like you have lots of honour. I'm sure you'll do fine.
yes, I'm also the most humble person here...
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Xindi Kraid
Gene Works
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Posted - 2009.03.21 23:49:00 -
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Personally I think the SP limit is bull****. Say I have an industrial character with 30mil SP, does that make him qualified to fly carriers? No. Now say I have a character with less than that, but has top notch drone and logistics skills. Sounds like exactly the person I want flying the carriers in my fleet.
It isn't about how many skill points you have, its about where they are, and how well you know how to use them. ====The question you should really be asking is: Do I have use of a carrier and enough people to support it. If you dont have people to cyno to move you around, and having a carrier is pointless unless you have ships to support.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2009.03.21 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Lanissum I have an alt, called Cristal, who has circa 15mil SP. He has almost maxed drone skills, and is about 2 months from flying a carrier.
With another month of training, he can have cap reps, remote cap reps, and fighters, plus all the associated mods [triage, drone links, etc].
So, 3 months, or another 3 mil sp till having what *I* think a decently fitted carrier needs.
But, I've read that I shouldn't think about caps until I have like 30mil plus sp.
Why shouldn't I get a carrier w/ about 18m sp? [It will be used in gang work only, ofc]
Many find good use for capitals, others dont. It all depends on their playstyle. If you are deep in alliance and corp warfare in deep space, i guess capital ships might be good, although yes, you should consentrate honing your other skills first, then bringing up the capital ship skills. Getting the cap ship skills are "easy". The requirements "ok". but the "reccomended" requirement require you to get solid support skills, unless you have a fat wallet.
Personally I dont have use for capital ships atm. I am having too much fun in flying the other ships to fly ships in billion isk class - which also falls into the category of ships I cant afford to loose. But by all means. If you have the need for cap ships, the money, the skills and the friends to back you up go for it! Heck, go for it anyway! You might (will?) loose it, but at least you have tried it!
Good luck anyway!
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Lanissum
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 23:59:00 -
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Yeah, I can afford a carrier or two; but what is the insurance rate for them? In other words, how much will losing a fully insured carrier cost me (I know I can pay about 300m in mods np)
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Gilbert Drillerson
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.22 00:01:00 -
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Go for it if thats what you want.
Eve is about having fun, so why not :)
I would allthough suggest that you consider joining a 0.0 corp/alliance, that is where carriers really shine. They have many uses:
* Repping POS's in triage mode * Assigning fighters to the tackling part of a fleet * Small scale logistics * Using warfare links for fleet bonuses * Supporting/guarding sieged dreads * Supporting fleet in combat in triage mode
And last but not least for use as a fighting carrier... rare, but it happens
However, be prepared to loose it... if you use it, you will loose it eventually... part of the fun, only fly ships you can afford to loose.... also, insuring capital ships is generally not a good plan, they are not lost enough to do it :) http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0902/gs.gif Dont get mad - Get even |
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Posted - 2009.03.22 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Lanissum
Originally by: Admiral Bear
Originally by: Lanissum I was aiming for a thanatos, but why should I go for templar fighters?
Afaik, it shouldn't be hard to cross train for different race's fighters.
This is why you shouldn't get a carrier.
Erm, fighters all have the same pre-reqs. So, I was right... and what are you talking about?
He was pointing out why you shouldn't think about getting a carrier (you have no idea what you're doing).
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Gabriel Karade
Gallente Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil
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Posted - 2009.03.22 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Lanissum I have an alt, called Cristal, who has circa 15mil SP. He has almost maxed drone skills, and is about 2 months from flying a carrier.
With another month of training, he can have cap reps, remote cap reps, and fighters, plus all the associated mods [triage, drone links, etc].
So, 3 months, or another 3 mil sp till having what *I* think a decently fitted carrier needs.
But, I've read that I shouldn't think about caps until I have like 30mil plus sp.
Why shouldn't I get a carrier w/ about 18m sp? [It will be used in gang work only, ofc]
Just out of curiosity but.... how can a "Circa 15M SP" character have 'almost maxed' drone skills?...
Guess that's a pretty broad definition of 'almost maxed' you have there
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Posted - 2009.03.22 00:32:00 -
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All drone specs at lvl 4 /Ew interfacing lvl 4 /Drone durability lvl4 /Other drone skills at lvl 5 (except mining drones) take around 7.5m without fighters ,with fighters lvl 4 8m -8.1m skillpoints
Originally by: Gabriel Karade [Just out of curiosity but.... how can a "Circa 15M SP" character have 'almost maxed' drone skills?...
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente Shadowsun Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.03.22 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Gabriel Karade
Originally by: Lanissum I have an alt, called Cristal, who has circa 15mil SP. He has almost maxed drone skills, and is about 2 months from flying a carrier.
With another month of training, he can have cap reps, remote cap reps, and fighters, plus all the associated mods [triage, drone links, etc].
So, 3 months, or another 3 mil sp till having what *I* think a decently fitted carrier needs.
But, I've read that I shouldn't think about caps until I have like 30mil plus sp.
Why shouldn't I get a carrier w/ about 18m sp? [It will be used in gang work only, ofc]
Just out of curiosity but.... how can a "Circa 15M SP" character have 'almost maxed' drone skills?...
Guess that's a pretty broad definition of 'almost maxed' you have there
Maybe he hasn't trained anything else?
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Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey
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Posted - 2009.03.22 01:16:00 -
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I would have thought it obvious .. but no one's said so far .. so here goes:
Its an expensive ship, and you'll just lose it anyway .. save your ISK.
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Kathraine Avila
Amarr Biotronics Inc. Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2009.03.22 01:33:00 -
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This is my Cap-Ship-Alt.
She does have around 15 Mil SP and hits Jump Drive Calibration IV on Tuesday and will be a fully viable Cap-Ship-Alt after that.
So, I am still missing some drone skills, but as long as you are willing to specialize your Char I don't see much of a problem with flying a Cap-Ship with 15 mil SP.
I lost an Archon on SiSi a few days ago, but that was due to that sily Wyvern pointing me in a completely unrealistic enviroment.
However, what I wanted to add to this thread is the fact, that Chars with about 8 months of skilltraining can be viable pilots of capital-ships unless they don't do anything else.
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Lucas Tigh
East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.03.22 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: Lanissum ...who has circa 15mil SP...
Your blatant **** of the word circa is disturbing. She said she'd go out with you, yes, but she was pretty clear that she's not ready to commit just yet. Sure, you're her type; she loves dependent guys! You'll just have to spend a bit more time studying the dictionary before she's ready to take the plunge for you. -------------------------------------
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Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2009.03.22 01:48:00 -
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The reason you're getting odd answers is simple.
Cap ships are a niche ship. they are used for a very limited use. Capital PVP and Logistics.
If you need it for logistics(usually the first reason folks want a cap ship) then you can use it as soon as you can get in the ship and defend yourself.
If you want it for PVP, then you are not ready for it unless your 15mil sp char is a cap ship specilist alt.
The reason for this is that cap ship pvp is very different then non-cap ship pvp. You need completely different training, different logistics, different tactics and so on. This is really something that should be left to vetrans.
If this is your only char, and it only has 15mil sp, then one of the other issues you have is ISK income.
Most folks don't learn how to make large amounts of isk in game till they've played for a few years(I say most, not all).
Cap ships are expensive to buy, expensive to fit, and expensive to operate.
A carrier can be killed quite easily by 3+ Bs's, or 6+ Cruisers(if experienced).
A carrier can be lost in seconds in pvp, and costs over a bil for most setups. So people who are still running missions in a Raven or mining for isk shouldn't be in a Carrier. If on the other hand you're running around with a Golem or CNR with mods that cost more then the shi[(Or several times more in the case of the CNR) then you shouldn't be spending isk on a carrier.
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