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Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Star's Dust Industrie	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:30:00 - [481] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Gail Sohmbadi SirMolle deleted all shares in the BoB executor corp, to avoid having to wait 24 hours for his Alliance changes to go through. This meant that ANYONE with equivalent roles in Tinfoil, (The Executor Corp for BoB,) had the same ability to make instant changes to the Alliance. The whole reasons voting shares even EXIST is to prevent someone from screwing over the alliance, yet SirMolle deleted these shares. Silly Goon. It doesn't work like that. Regardless of the share status in the executor corp you can still instantly kick alliances and disband the alliance. Why Molle didn't got sure that only him could push the red button at the first time ? This is the true problem. Fetchez la vache ! moar(tm) > soon(tm) \o/
Renax Minmatar Red Tides Viewer Discretion Advised	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:37:00 - [482] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Gail Sohmbadi SirMolle deleted all shares in the BoB executor corp, to avoid having to wait 24 hours for his Alliance changes to go through. This meant that ANYONE with equivalent roles in Tinfoil, (The Executor Corp for BoB,) had the same ability to make instant changes to the Alliance. The whole reasons voting shares even EXIST is to prevent someone from screwing over the alliance, yet SirMolle deleted these shares. Silly Goon. It doesn't work like that. Regardless of the share status in the executor corp you can still instantly kick alliances and disband the alliance. Why Molle didn't got sure that only him could push the red button at the first time ? This is the true problem. actually the true problem would be listening and actually debating anything with jade constantine about anything having to do with 0.0
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Star's Dust Industrie	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:39:00 - [483] Originally by: Renax Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Gail Sohmbadi SirMolle deleted all shares in the BoB executor corp, to avoid having to wait 24 hours for his Alliance changes to go through. This meant that ANYONE with equivalent roles in Tinfoil, (The Executor Corp for BoB,) had the same ability to make instant changes to the Alliance. The whole reasons voting shares even EXIST is to prevent someone from screwing over the alliance, yet SirMolle deleted these shares. Silly Goon. It doesn't work like that. Regardless of the share status in the executor corp you can still instantly kick alliances and disband the alliance. Why Molle didn't got sure that only him could push the red button at the first time ? This is the true problem. actually the true problem would be listening and actually debating anything with jade constantine about anything having to do with 0.0 Cool, it's a alliance problem. Fetchez la vache ! moar(tm) > soon(tm) \o/
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:40:00 - [484] Originally by: Retepp Nedsmul This is terrible. I started playing Eve because of all the the latest Goonswarm/BoB antics. This game is so great because all the content is player driven. No other MMO is like this. Anything within the mechanics of the game is considered fair. The concept that a GM can affect the actions between corporations behaving within the game mechanics is inexcusable in Eve. I joined up for the opportunity to possibly be involved in something truly unique in this genre, but if the devs will just roll back stuff like this, why the hell am I playing this game over some other random MMO. You really shouldn't listen to all the hype. Back when I started in 2003 I was part of a fleet battle in Venal where we had assembled a 100 ship fleet to camp a gate to block an incoming 100 ship pirate group from coming to raid and pillage our space empire. (Back then that was a ALOT). Anyways we deployed many many spacemines round the jump-in point and waited - thinking that the incoming fleet would be damaged and more susceptable to our guns as a result. Only the pirate fleet petitioned against us for intentionally creating lag (by deploying space mines) and the GM teleported their entire group past our gatecamp to somewhere else in our system and let them continue on their rampage. As a result we ended up engaging in less than optimal circumstances and lost our fleet and in the coming days that defeat was magnified into the eventual loss of the alliance in Venal. That was a GM action that changed the result of the entire campaign in essence. But here's the thing, we didn't threadnaught to the forums about it because we respected CCP GM's to be trying to do the right thing under difficult circumstances and sometimes you just need to accept the referees decision (even if you don't like it.) As a result of that action spacemines were eventually removed from the game because they could be abused to make "lag-traps" and were considered bring nothing much to space warfare. Anybody who has played eve-online for a little while at certain levels of seniority in organizational conflict will have a dozen little stories like this. These things happen. That day the teleportation of a fleet lost me a space empire Life goes on. No point crying foul about it. GMs are called to make decisions every day in Eve online, some are good, some are bad - some fair, some not, but ultimately its a hard unrewarding job that needs to be done. I mean who else would you trust as an arbitrator in these cases? Certainly not a howling forum mob of goons with chronic entitlement syndrome and epic blueballs from pointlessly camping a station for a month ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Malusae Caldari House CHOAM Terrebellum	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:41:00 - [485] Originally by: LifeLines Originally by: Malusae As long as they just keep spamming this thread and stop making useless other threads. Goonies always ruin coad for the rest of us. Although to be fair, that is their mantra. yea but what about beaver ruining EVE for the rest of us?(probably excluding you, cause you are genuinely sucking up to them. theres always a chance that you will get promoted to "Pet" rank, keep it up! slurpsluurp) I didn't say anything either way about "BOBR" and their name change. Honestly I'm not surprised, if the rumors of previous dev / gm favors are true, then it's not surprising that something like this occured. Anyways, there is a proposal that the CSM bring this issue to the next meeting, that's probably more constructive then whining about it in multiple threads. Just my opinion.
Vile rat Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:44:00 - [486] Originally by: King Dave Edited by: King Dave on 24/03/2009 20:15:49 Originally by: Gail Sohmbadi Originally by: King Dave Bob was the oldest alliance ingame till you guys screwed them over. Since it obviously needs to be repeated: SirMolle deleted all shares in the BoB executor corp, to avoid having to wait 24 hours for his Alliance changes to go through. This meant that ANYONE with equivalent roles in Tinfoil, (The Executor Corp for BoB,) had the same ability to make instant changes to the Alliance. The whole reasons voting shares even EXIST is to prevent someone from screwing over the alliance, yet SirMolle deleted these shares. Unfortunately, Haargoth had the same roles in Tinfoil as SirMolle, and was only able to close the alliance in minutes because SirMolle had already removed the in-game safeguards. Claiming that the disbanding of Bob was unfair is the same as saying that a person who didn't wear a helmet while motorcycling, then died of a head injury, died unfairly. In both cases, the safeguards were available, but they were willfully ignored. Didn't say it was unfair, I said it screwed them over, which it did. Stop trying to hate me and find something else to whine about. They were screwed over by valid legal in game actions and mechanics. Also they didn't have to change their name from KenZoku, that was just a little gift from the GM's because they felt sorry for them after denying their petition that clearly should have been denied.
Gail Sohmbadi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:46:00 - [487] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Why Molle didn't got sure that only him could push the red button at the first time ? This is the true problem. Not the clearest, but certainly the most accurate. It is a necessary function to kick member corporations from an alliance. It is not a privilege that should be given to all alliance members. It should be guarded carefully, to prevent misuse. In BoB's case, it was not guarded carefully, thus it was misused. This was no different than forgetting to lock a BPO, then having it stolen. Just on a much larger scale. I am sure that there are literally hundreds of corporations that have lost their assets to Goon infiltrators due to improper access controls. There will certainly be hundreds more. Having said that, have any of these maligned players ever received even one red ISK from CCP for their blunders? No. So why does The Band Of Developers suddenly get rewarded for exhibiting the same stupidity that has cost others the hard-earned fruits of their years of labour? Sure, you can dismiss my posting as "lol, goonie," but if you do, you do yourself a disservice by failing to see the favoritism that is clearly at work, where there should be none. Ask yourself how you would respond to this post if it had been written by a member of Eve University, or CVA, or literally, ANYONE ELSE. if your reaction would be different, then you have no business discussing this matter.
Poopsock Alarmclock Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:47:00 - [488] Originally by: Jade Constantine Only the pirate fleet petitioned against us for intentionally creating lag (by deploying space mines) and the GM teleported their entire group past our gatecamp to somewhere else in our system and let them continue on their rampage. As a result we ended up engaging in less than optimal circumstances and lost our fleet and in the coming days that defeat was magnified into the eventual loss of the alliance in Venal. ahahahaha can anyone who doesn't roleplay a tranny space prostitute c/d this pile of :cripesduck:
Gail Sohmbadi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:49:00 - [489] Originally by: Jade Constantine WALL OF TEXT WALL OF TEXT Is this humbling defeat the reason you retired to space prostitution in empire space?
Doctor Poopies Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:52:00 - [490] Originally by: Jade Constantine You really shouldn't listen to all the hype. Back when I started in 2003 I was part of a fleet battle in Venal where we had assembled a 100 ship fleet to camp a gate to block an incoming 100 ship pirate group from coming to raid and pillage our space empire. (Back then that was a ALOT). Anyways we deployed many many spacemines round the jump-in point and waited - thinking that the incoming fleet would be damaged and more susceptable to our guns as a result. Only the pirate fleet petitioned against us for intentionally creating lag (by deploying space mines) and the GM teleported their entire group past our gatecamp to somewhere else in our system and let them continue on their rampage. As a result we ended up engaging in less than optimal circumstances and lost our fleet and in the coming days that defeat was magnified into the eventual loss of the alliance in Venal. That was a GM action that changed the result of the entire campaign in essence. But here's the thing, we didn't threadnaught to the forums about it because we respected CCP GM's to be trying to do the right thing under difficult circumstances and sometimes you just need to accept the referees decision (even if you don't like it.) As a result of that action spacemines were eventually removed from the game because they could be abused to make "lag-traps" and were considered bring nothing much to space warfare. Anybody who has played eve-online for a little while at certain levels of seniority in organizational conflict will have a dozen little stories like this. These things happen. That day the teleportation of a fleet lost me a space empire Life goes on. No point crying foul about it. GMs are called to make decisions every day in Eve online, some are good, some are bad - some fair, some not, but ultimately its a hard unrewarding job that needs to be done. I mean who else would you trust as an arbitrator in these cases? Certainly not a howling forum mob of goons with chronic entitlement syndrome and epic blueballs from pointlessly camping a station for a month market your posts as a sleeping aid jesus christ who cares
Mugari Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:55:00 - [491] So what you're basically saying, Jade, is that you're so used to bowing under the weighted fist of CCP that you've grown used to it. Not unlike a battered spouse who wonders what the big fuss is, "Oh, Jimmy always comes home after he gets drunk and slaps me around. It's all my fault, really, I forgot to have dinner warmed for him." Heaven forbid someone try to call Jimmy on his BS. So sad.
BBQ Organizer Minmatar Band of Brothers	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:56:00 - [492] Way to steal our name and dub it after some ****ty movie asshats
Retepp Nedsmul Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2009.03.24 21:00:00 - [493] Edited by: Retepp Nedsmul on 24/03/2009 21:05:35 Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Retepp Nedsmul This is terrible. I started playing Eve because of all the the latest Goonswarm/BoB antics. This game is so great because all the content is player driven. No other MMO is like this. Anything within the mechanics of the game is considered fair. The concept that a GM can affect the actions between corporations behaving within the game mechanics is inexcusable in Eve. I joined up for the opportunity to possibly be involved in something truly unique in this genre, but if the devs will just roll back stuff like this, why the hell am I playing this game over some other random MMO. Space mine story That does suck that you lost your empire and everything, but I have the same reaction to that as this. Neither should happen. They want to stop space mine lagging, they should have banned mines like they eventually did. No gate camp hopping, nothing else. They want to fix the whole one guy essentially deleting an alliance? Then fix it so it doesn't happen again, but leave what happened untouched. While the action of fixing a name is fairly minor, it's the intent behind it and the slippery slope it's on. It's the principle in the end. It just seems like the devs are taking a dump on their games best feature, and what makes it unique. Uh, and forgive my newbness, I just looked you up after noting the replys you seem to get. Are you part of that CSM, player - developer connection thingy?
Lizhia Birath Minmatar Rogue Industrial Group The Fifth Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.24 21:01:00 - [494] Has ccp made any comments on what was so special with this petition that they granted the namechange? It's not like KenGoku was spelt wrong or anything. Surely there must be some better reason then "We don't like this alliance name we want our old back :(". I don't think CCP would grant such a silly wish since they were all out of alliance at the time and could just as easily have created a brand new alliance with any name they wanted. Do they still show up as Kengoku ingame if you search for them or has that been dealt with? And no Im not gonna empty my cache coz a) I dont know how to and b) I shouldnt have to since this is clearly something that is done regulary and shouldnt creat these kinds of silly problems. Also, is there a 24 letter restriction on alliance names as I read somewhere or was that just for characters and corporations?
King Dave Gallente The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2009.03.24 21:10:00 - [495] Edited by: King Dave on 24/03/2009 21:15:53 Edited by: King Dave on 24/03/2009 21:14:42 Originally by: Vile rat They were screwed over by valid legal in game actions and mechanics. Also they didn't have to change their name from KenZoku, that was just a little gift from the GM's because they felt sorry for them after denying their petition that clearly should have been denied. I think we have established all of that ex-corpie. Originally by: KeratinBoy Originally by: King Dave Didn't say it was unfair, I said it screwed them over, which it did. Stop trying to hate me and find something else to whine about. Stop being so obtuse. There is no correlation between holding space and the age of an Alliance. Until now. It is an anomaly in favour of an entity that has colluded with CCP before. Continually showing favour to an entity, even after safeguards were put in place, does nothing but wreck any faith in those safeguards. Clarification was sought and, yet again, CCP's official post on the matter did not contain any relevant information. Either petitions to change names outside of game mechanics are now granted for all or IA have had their authority destroyed. CCP need to pick one. Your awnser has nothing to do with my quote. I realise CCP has helped BOB alot, what you don't understand is that it you guys blowing things out of proportions and whining for the sake of whining and hating for the sake of hating. There wasn't a thread like this when CCP blew up m0o's ships! Imagine if CCP did that to goons, the servers which these forums are on would likely explode. Originally by: Mugari So what you're basically saying, Jade, is that you're so used to bowing under the weighted fist of CCP that you've grown used to it. Not unlike a battered spouse who wonders what the big fuss is, "Oh, Jimmy always comes home after he gets drunk and slaps me around. It's all my fault, really, I forgot to have dinner warmed for him." . Apart from, CCP own this game, so they can do what they see fit. If you don't like it the door is there.
Thodoros Minmatar Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.24 21:18:00 - [496] Another blatand disregard about us the players(customers),by CCP. Ignoring their own rules and regulations and apply them on everyone else except the Koukouroukou alliance. Double standards indeed CCP. For me CCP is destroying our game and we should be the ones to put a break to them, pronto.
Renax Minmatar Red Tides Viewer Discretion Advised	Posted - 2009.03.24 21:25:00 - [497] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Retepp Nedsmul This is terrible. I started playing Eve because of all the the latest Goonswarm/BoB antics. This game is so great because all the content is player driven. No other MMO is like this. Anything within the mechanics of the game is considered fair. The concept that a GM can affect the actions between corporations behaving within the game mechanics is inexcusable in Eve. I joined up for the opportunity to possibly be involved in something truly unique in this genre, but if the devs will just roll back stuff like this, why the hell am I playing this game over some other random MMO. You really shouldn't listen to all the hype. Back when I started in 2003 I was part of a fleet battle in Venal where we had assembled a 100 ship fleet to camp a gate to block an incoming 100 ship pirate group from coming to raid and pillage our space empire. (Back then that was a ALOT). Anyways we deployed many many spacemines round the jump-in point and waited - thinking that the incoming fleet would be damaged and more susceptable to our guns as a result. Only the pirate fleet petitioned against us for intentionally creating lag (by deploying space mines) and the GM teleported their entire group past our gatecamp to somewhere else in our system and let them continue on their rampage. As a result we ended up engaging in less than optimal circumstances and lost our fleet and in the coming days that defeat was magnified into the eventual loss of the alliance in Venal. That was a GM action that changed the result of the entire campaign in essence. But here's the thing, we didn't threadnaught to the forums about it because we respected CCP GM's to be trying to do the right thing under difficult circumstances and sometimes you just need to accept the referees decision (even if you don't like it.) As a result of that action spacemines were eventually removed from the game because they could be abused to make "lag-traps" and were considered bring nothing much to space warfare. Anybody who has played eve-online for a little while at certain levels of seniority in organizational conflict will have a dozen little stories like this. These things happen. That day the teleportation of a fleet lost me a space empire Life goes on. No point crying foul about it. GMs are called to make decisions every day in Eve online, some are good, some are bad - some fair, some not, but ultimately its a hard unrewarding job that needs to be done. I mean who else would you trust as an arbitrator in these cases? Certainly not a howling forum mob of goons with chronic entitlement syndrome and epic blueballs from pointlessly camping a station for a month I find it more likely to be that you wound up in venal doing missions and that the 100 man pirate gang were npc ratz... ps I also find it hard to believe that anyone who knows anything about this game would agree that you have seniority in anything pertaining to politics in eve especially in 0.0
Aurvundill Caldari Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 21:29:00 - [498] Can't let you do that, KenZoku!
Of Montreal Gallente CRICE Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.24 21:37:00 - [499] Originally by: Thodoros Another blatand disregard about us the players(customers),by CCP. Ignoring their own rules and regulations and apply them on everyone else except the Koukouroukou alliance. Double standards indeed CCP. For me CCP is destroying our game and we should be the ones to put a break to them, pronto. I agree 100%! You should protest by canceling your account(s).
Cemic Cemezon Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 21:50:00 - [500] I'm usually not for whining, and despite my tag looks kinda objective on things on the forums without bee glasses. But god damnit, I have to admit that CCP have disappointed me in this matter.
Pudgy McFudge Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 22:13:00 - [501] Originally by: Retepp Nedsmul Edited by: Retepp Nedsmul on 24/03/2009 21:05:35 Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Retepp Nedsmul This is terrible. I started playing Eve because of all the the latest Goonswarm/BoB antics. This game is so great because all the content is player driven. No other MMO is like this. Anything within the mechanics of the game is considered fair. The concept that a GM can affect the actions between corporations behaving within the game mechanics is inexcusable in Eve. I joined up for the opportunity to possibly be involved in something truly unique in this genre, but if the devs will just roll back stuff like this, why the hell am I playing this game over some other random MMO. Space mine story That does suck that you lost your empire and everything, but I have the same reaction to that as this. Neither should happen. They want to stop space mine lagging, they should have banned mines like they eventually did. No gate camp hopping, nothing else. They want to fix the whole one guy essentially deleting an alliance? Then fix it so it doesn't happen again, but leave what happened untouched. While the action of fixing a name is fairly minor, it's the intent behind it and the slippery slope it's on. It's the principle in the end. It just seems like the devs are taking a dump on their games best feature, and what makes it unique. Uh, and forgive my newbness, I just looked you up after noting the replys you seem to get. Are you part of that CSM, player - developer connection thingy? ITT Jade Constantine gets out logiced by a complete noobie.
Erichk Knaar Caldari Noir.	Posted - 2009.03.24 22:13:00 - [502] Originally by: Aurvundill furrypic Get out furry!!!
Sandwich PvP Caldari The Maverick Navy PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.03.24 22:18:00 - [503] How many more Goon tears must be shed before this Goon travesty can be reversed? According to intel supplied by Goons they stole the name fair and square, and now the BOB has been reloaded! Outraged Goon supporters demand Goon justice! After all, aren't they now the Goon overlords? Aren't they worthy of being GM Goons as well? Since they won the war aren't they entitled to all the spoils? Surely all of the fine things that the Goons have done for the game should be rewarded.... Avi says "Kneel before the golden amarrian shaft of love, and all your questions will be answered" The only fight worth fighting is the one you should lose.
Crimsonjade Minmatar Amarr Secret Service	Posted - 2009.03.24 22:37:00 - [504] Originally by: Jade Constantine Life goes on. No point crying foul about it. GMs are called to make decisions every day in Eve online, some are good, some are bad - some fair, some not, but ultimately its a hard unrewarding job that needs to be done. I mean who else would you trust as an arbitrator in these cases? Certainly not a howling forum mob of goons with chronic entitlement syndrome and epic blueballs from pointlessly camping a station for a month the end is Near. Im agreeing with Jade , but personally the thought of goonies with blueballs makes me giggle
Zedrik Cayne Gallente Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.03.24 22:40:00 - [505] Originally by: Crimsonjade the end is Near. Im agreeing with Jade , but personally the thought of goonies with blueballs makes me giggle If you're in a position to see what color their balls are, you're probably not gonna enjoy what's going to happen next. -- Remember: Carebears aren't people. They are giant flying pi±atas.
Montasque Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 22:53:00 - [506] Lets be frank, if it was another alliance that this happened to there would be controversy, but not of this scale. This is a pretty big screw up in the eyes of many players, and a good barometer of this fact is the thread in CSM forum about this very topic. For instance that thread is bigger than the thread about the moon mining scandal. And to preempt those who would say that it is only goons/allies making noise, many of the people who have posted their concerns are from neutral and hostile alliances who just don't like to see a game they love being corrupted at any level. Now I know us goons are hated, I get that, but this isn't about us, hell it's not even really about bob, it's about CCP and costumer confidence.
Crimsonjade Minmatar Amarr Secret Service	Posted - 2009.03.24 22:55:00 - [507] Originally by: Montasque Lets be frank, if it was another alliance that this happened to there would be controversy, but not of this scale. This is a pretty big screw up in the eyes of many players, and a good barometer of this fact is the thread in CSM forum about this very topic. For instance that thread is bigger than the thread about the moon mining scandal. And to preempt those who would say that it is only goons/allies making noise, many of the people who have posted their concerns are from neutral and hostile alliances who just don't like to see a game they love being corrupted at any level. Now I know us goons are hated, I get that, but this isn't about us, hell it's not even really about bob, it's about CCP and costumer confidence. i'm not Frank, but pls cancel your account goonies and show the big meenies(CCP) how much you care
King Dave Gallente The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2009.03.24 23:12:00 - [508] Originally by: Montasque Now I know us goons are hated, I get that, but this isn't about us, hell it's not even really about bob, it's about CCP and costumer confidence. If it was about that, this would be one of the smallest concerns.
Jay Dilla Caldari Tainted Industries Barrel of Monkeys	Posted - 2009.03.24 23:31:00 - [509] Originally by: King Dave Apart from, CCP own this game, so they can do what they see fit. If you don't like it the door is there. Stop trying to ruin the game we play, ccp changing an alliance name isn't actualy ruining anyone's gameplay. Grow up. You as half of other ppl posting here missing the whole point. The point is that while everyone else was denied changing their alliance name BoB however gets it changed. BoB was disbanded fair and square. It was human flaws nothing to do with game mechanics! CCP owns this game, but customers pay their wages. So pls pack that little brain you brought down here and exit is that way ---->
Morning Mist Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 23:32:00 - [510] Originally by: Jade Constantine pointlessly camping a station for a month Pointless like any seniority you've ever had.

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