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Brobuck Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 14:07:00 - [601] Originally by: Seth Quantix The question is, what does it truly matter? If a lesser alliance did this would there be all this crap on the forums? How do you knwo it has not happened before? That is two questions. Why does it matter? Because one particular group of players is being given special dispensation. I think all anybody wants is for the rules to apply equally to everyone. How do I know it has not happened before? Well, nobody in this forum seems to remember it happening. Nobody I talk to seems to remember it happening. CCP says it has happened but won't give the particulars, which reminds me of the last big scandal, which involved (searches memory) oh, yeah, CCP and BoB.
Pezzle Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.25 14:13:00 - [602] Edited by: Pezzle on 25/03/2009 14:14:39 The methods and mechanics used to shut down BoB should not be legal, yet they are. BoB was shut down through existing mechanics. A corp was formed to take the name. Goons war decced corps so a new alliance could not be formed. BoB members joined an existing alliance. All legal. Goons took the name as a blocker. That is a grey area I suppose? It is not an attempt at defrauding the public is it? At this point that is actually irrelevant. BoB joined an existing alliance. IF being war decced prevents alliance creation then Goons were backing their foes into a corner. Those corps, of free will, joined Ken. Two months later this petition for a name change is resolved? I will cry foul on that. If there was a rule violation it could have been handled within a few days. What other alliances have gotten free name changes? Name a few? This is not about BoB, it is about the rules being fairly applied for everyone. What rules was broken that allows the alliance name change? Is it illegal to grab a name like that? If it is, why was this not clearly stated by GM Grimmi or another staff member? Many corps and alliances have made innocent typos and been denied. Others have asked for consolidation and been denied. Those who found the name worth it put in the effort of switching. I disagree with the methods used. There should be rules against this type of thing but there are not. CCP seems to be in no hurry creating or enforcing such rules either way. That is the price you pay for lax metagame policy and look the other way administration. I do not like spying, theft, tower password monkey business, stront timer nonsense and a host of other shady activities, yet they are legal. Where we are is a product of situations that BoB played no small part in creating. It is also important we remember that while ccp does not condone all the theft/spying etc they do encourage it. This has been made apparent in many interviews spanning the life of EVE. Years of unfettered jeering and cheering have sharpened the appetites of those involved. You do not like the rules? Work on getting them changed or clarified. Stop applauding the dirty deeds. Until that happens you live in the house you built.
Soldur Caldari Helljumpers Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2009.03.25 14:13:00 - [603] Originally by: Crimsonjade break out the t2 tissues. we have hit gooniegold all that emo rage and you cant even defeat bob lite. ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha this
Nicholas DW Gallente Invicta. Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.03.25 14:15:00 - [604] Edited by: Nicholas DW on 25/03/2009 14:15:20 I've certainly deemed it a serious enough offense to emorage quit over. Too bad too, I was really excited about the Falcon nerf. Edit: Hi Enjoi.
Harry Besebes Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 14:19:00 - [605] Originally by: Pezzle Edited by: Pezzle on 25/03/2009 14:14:39 IF being war decced prevents alliance creation then Goons were backing their foes into a corner. Those corps, of free will, joined Ken. Two months later this petition for a name change is resolved? I will cry foul on that. If there was a rule violation it could have been handled within a few days. Goons used every in-game mechanic and understanding of the game to back them into that corner. BoB, rather than try to fight back, ran to CCP. This is the real difference between Goons and BoB,
CARY Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 14:26:00 - [606] It's somewhat strange that CCP will not provide nor release names of other alliances they claim to have allowed name changes in the pass.......Did they pay for the name change.......did they lose sov or even had sov? Having or not having sov will raise a major question as well. Don't look for this info from CCP anytime soon.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.25 14:31:00 - [607] Originally by: Lem2J Edited by: Lem2J on 25/03/2009 12:26:11 Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Retepp Nedsmul Well if youÆre suggesting that Hargooth (or whoever) was forced in some manner, thatÆs pretty ridiculous statement to make without evidence. Who knows really? Maybe he sold the account? Maybe a "friend" accessed his computer? Maybe he got bought off with aluminium-stocks or something? Nobody knows and its all irrelevant anyways. What happened with the disband happened and CCP decided to let it stand. But what should not have stood was the alt corp "band of brothers" created with the express intention of blocking the recreation of the band of brothers alliance in a clear exploit of the naming system. Its clear we'll disagree on this point and I hope you can appreciate that strong feelings exist on either side of the discussion. I (and many others who play this game) feel that the identity of our corporations and alliances is something that is sacrosanct to our continued subscription and participation. From the moment we attend real world meets and build friendships, print tee-shirts, commission artwork and build web-infrastructure around our corp and alliance identities we have placed a claim of ownership over the names we've chosen to build. I contend that identity should not be a spoil of war in Eve Online. When Band of Brothers dies it should be because they have been defeated in war and decide to surrender and disband of their own choice. I certainly would fight/petition/argue and debate most strongly to have "The Star Fraction" name returned to my alliance if it was ever stolen in a similar identity theft. CCP do need to consider this matter very carefully in the future because as things stand they have left a nasty metagaming exploit open that endangers much of the alliance identity building game they have previously traded on. When Cult of War (COW) didnt pay the bill, the alliance was disbanded. A third party took the corp name in order to block the re-creation of Cow. I petitioned this, the corp was re-named and we paid the fee to recreate the alliance... The same rules should apply to BOB imo, Sov should have been lost (as they did) but they should be able to retain the name. Thank you for your post and your honesty. Originally by: Lem2J When Cult of War (COW) didnt pay the bill, the alliance was disbanded. A third party took the corp name in order to block the re-creation of Cow. I petitioned this, the corp was re-named and we paid the fee to recreate the alliance... This is game, set and match for the argument really. It is impossible to continue arguing against Band of Brothers getting their orginal name back while the precise situation with Cult of War is on record and past precedence is established. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Hanabi Kazan Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 14:34:00 - [608] Originally by: Jade Constantine This is game, set and match for the argument really. It is impossible to continue arguing against Band of Brothers getting their orginal name back while the precise situation with Cult of War is on record and past precedence is established. I must have missed the part where Band of Brothers corp got renamed and KenZoku disbanded and paid 1 billion to reform. Please, oh wise and great Jade Constantine, write us a book explaining this.
Zeph1rus Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 14:34:00 - [609] Originally by: Jade Constantine This is game, set and match for the argument really. It is impossible to continue arguing against Band of Brothers getting their orginal name back while the precise situation with Cult of War is on record and past precedence is established. Yeah because failure of logic has always stopped you posting you horrible, miserable waste of flesh.
Swamp Ziro Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 14:35:00 - [610] he change he own name, a shamefoul ***** Sig locked, please mail [email protected] with a new sig to be considered for use - Mitnal.
Covenn Caldari Shut Up And Play	Posted - 2009.03.25 14:36:00 - [611] LOL - This thread is pretty funny. You all act like if some defector from (Goonswarm, MM, Razor etc) were to disband your alliance... then have your alliance name taken, all your space taken, that you would all just roll over and take it, and say "Hey GG that's all perfectly fair, part of the game" Give me a break.
Hanabi Kazan Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 14:37:00 - [612] Originally by: Covenn LOL - This thread is pretty funny. You all act like if some defector from (Goonswarm, MM, Razor etc) were to disband your alliance... then have your alliance name taken, all your space taken, that you would all just roll over and take it, and say "Hey GG that's all perfectly fair, part of the game" Give me a break. nope, we would ***** and complain and petition and then get told "Hey GG that's all perfectly fair, part of the game"
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.03.25 14:38:00 - [613] Originally by: Zeph1rus Originally by: Jade Constantine This is game, set and match for the argument really. It is impossible to continue arguing against Band of Brothers getting their orginal name back while the precise situation with Cult of War is on record and past precedence is established. Yeah because failure of logic has always stopped you posting you horrible, miserable waste of flesh. I think when we get to the point that a 5000 man alliance has absolutely no way to refute a valid point and just gets to posting primal screams of wordless rage we're pretty much done. Slur insults as you will goons. You are wrong. ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD
Chairman Lmao Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 14:39:00 - [614] Originally by: Covenn LOL - This thread is pretty funny. You all act like if some defector from (Goonswarm, MM, Razor etc) were to disband your alliance... then have your alliance name taken, all your space taken, that you would all just roll over and take it, and say "Hey GG that's all perfectly fair, part of the game" Give me a break. No, if this happened to us we would probably fight to get our space back. With spaceships.
Hanabi Kazan Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 14:43:00 - [615] Originally by: Jade Constantine valid point that's quite an assumption you're making
Pezzle Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.25 14:57:00 - [616] -Band of Brothers corp was not renamed. -Ex-BoB members did not create a new alliance, they joined an existing one. How is this precisely what happened with CoW? How long did it take for the CoW situation to be resolved? You can claim it all comes out in the wash, but it does not. EVE is a competitive game and these situations are different. I have yet to see a statement clarifying policy. Is there actually a policy? My interest here is equal treatment. Let them have the name if that is the rules. Let them play by the same rules (new alliance, not rename) as well. If CCP wishes to 'take the blame' for 2 months then hey, that is great. How about some clarity in words? The list of people denied renaming under less dubious circumstances is fairly long.
Shikome Alluin Gallente Genco Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.25 15:03:00 - [617] Edited by: Shikome Alluin on 25/03/2009 15:06:35 Is the forums broken, thats the third duble post of today - Aloha mr Hand
Shikome Alluin Gallente Genco Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.25 15:05:00 - [618] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Lem2J Originally by: Lem2J When Cult of War (COW) didnt pay the bill, the alliance was disbanded. A third party took the corp name in order to block the re-creation of Cow. I petitioned this, the corp was re-named and we paid the fee to recreate the alliance... This is game, set and match for the argument really. It is impossible to continue arguing against Band of Brothers getting their orginal name back while the precise situation with Cult of War is on record and past precedence is established. Seriously Jade, answer me this: Why did .BoB. not loose sov + have to pay the 1 billion isk like COW had to? Yes Cow was disbanded because of unpaid bills, but they had to pay the Alliance registration fee and reform their alliance. .BoB. was KenZuko at the time of the name change to "Reloaded", thus its only logical they would have to disband KenZuko to reform "Reloaded" is it not? They got special treatment, CCP bending above examples rules and bypassing the sov loss and registration fee. You can not ignore this! I know you will try though... - Aloha mr Hand
OldPueblo Gallente DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 15:08:00 - [619] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Zeph1rus Originally by: Jade Constantine This is game, set and match for the argument really. It is impossible to continue arguing against Band of Brothers getting their orginal name back while the precise situation with Cult of War is on record and past precedence is established. Yeah because failure of logic has always stopped you posting you horrible, miserable waste of flesh. I think when we get to the point that a 5000 man alliance has absolutely no way to refute a valid point and just gets to posting primal screams of wordless rage we're pretty much done. Slur insults as you will goons. You are wrong. Your intelligence is showing (it's not).
Vincent Gaines Caldari Avis de Captura	Posted - 2009.03.25 15:09:00 - [620] if BoBr pais/paid the 1bn fee that should at least be a decent compromise.
Tobruk Caldari Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.25 15:30:00 - [621] Originally by: Lem2J When Cult of War (COW) didnt pay the bill, the alliance was disbanded. A third party took the corp name in order to block the re-creation of Cow. I petitioned this, the corp was re-named and we paid the fee to recreate the alliance... The same rules should apply to BOB imo, Sov should have been lost (as they did) but they should be able to retain the name. here Jade I bolded the part you didnt read. give it up Jade, your wrong and so is CCP. ---------------------------------------------- Sig removed. Elmo Pug removed my sig because he hates me
OldPueblo Gallente DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 15:36:00 - [622] Originally by: Vincent Gaines if BoBr pais/paid the 1bn fee that should at least be a decent compromise. No it wouldn't, the only two options available for this scenario to turn out properly are to give KENZOKU the two options that were available to them back when they made THEIR CHOICE. They can either go back to being Kenzoku as chosen by their leadership or they can drop sov, rename, pay the bill, and get back to work. Those are the only two options that don't display favoritism, stay within game mechanics, etc.
Cautet Caldari Better Dead Then Smeg PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.03.25 15:40:00 - [623] Edited by: Cautet on 25/03/2009 15:45:32 Originally by: Hanabi Kazan Originally by: Covenn LOL - This thread is pretty funny. You all act like if some defector from (Goonswarm, MM, Razor etc) were to disband your alliance... then have your alliance name taken, all your space taken, that you would all just roll over and take it, and say "Hey GG that's all perfectly fair, part of the game" Give me a break. nope, we would * and complain and petition and then get told "Hey GG that's all perfectly fair, part of the game" Underlined and bolded the parts that are true. Edit: Whineswarm blocked name of Alliance. They did this knowing it's not allowed. Petition could have taken a few days or more. This would have meant that for cheating they would have gained a few days advantage in the war against sov. As it was they didn't need it. CCP made a fair and reasonable decision that anyone would want if it happened to them. Purely because it happened to someone else they moan about it. Its ****ing stupid and pathetic. Bad winners are even worse than bad losers.
OldPueblo Gallente DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 15:50:00 - [624] Edited by: OldPueblo on 25/03/2009 15:50:37 The name was won fair and square using in-game mechanics. No bill was forgotten to be paid, no bug disbanded the alliance, it was an inside job acknowledged as fair by CCP because it was fair. The name was also not just camped, it's been put to good use and has been an active corp. Nothing stopped them back then from renaming themselves to exactly what they named themselves now. The scenarios are not the same but keep trying oh bird of hope spread your wings and ffflllllyyyyyyyyyyy.
Vimiko Engren Minmatar Mass Production	Posted - 2009.03.25 15:53:00 - [625] Originally by: OldPueblo The name was won fair and square using in-game mechanics. Much like the fair way someone has gone in and taken the Kenzoku name as a corporation now, amirite.
O Thief Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.03.25 15:53:00 - [626] Actually, I hope we find out it's all a huge unfair devsploit. Purely to see the wonderfully bitter nerdrage tears of the goons fill these pages. My fingers are crossed. (as an aside, they have of course completely lost the arguement as Jade rightly points out)
OldPueblo Gallente DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 15:57:00 - [627] Originally by: Vimiko Engren Originally by: OldPueblo The name was won fair and square using in-game mechanics. Much like the fair way someone has gone in and taken the Kenzoku name as a corporation now, amirite. I think you'd be surprised at how little that being reversed would matter. Especially since in this case it would be filed under "never should have happened" which IS grounds for CCP intervention.
Marcus Druallis Caldari Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.25 15:58:00 - [628] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Zeph1rus Originally by: Jade Constantine This is game, set and match for the argument really. It is impossible to continue arguing against Band of Brothers getting their orginal name back while the precise situation with Cult of War is on record and past precedence is established. Yeah because failure of logic has always stopped you posting you horrible, miserable waste of flesh. I think when we get to the point that a 5000 man alliance has absolutely no way to refute a valid point and just gets to posting primal screams of wordless rage we're pretty much done. Slur insults as you will goons. You are wrong. See, this is why no one likes you. You took a post of honesty, skewed it and left some of the facts out to attempt to prove your point. However, BOB never had to leave/disband Kenzoku to recreate Band of Brothers. They got a dev to interfere (or GM who gives a **) and change their existing name of an existing Alliance (WHICH WAS HOLDING SOV!). I don't think anyone would give a ** if the corp Band of Brothers was forcefully disbanded, and BOB was forced to recreate BOB shelling out another billion, and losing their sov. Now come back with your logic Jade. --
Captain ULTIMATE Amarr Maximum Pulsing Golden Laser Geddongs with Lasers	Posted - 2009.03.25 16:02:00 - [629] Originally by: O Thief Actually, I hope we find out it's all a huge unfair devsploit. Purely to see the wonderfully bitter nerdrage tears of the goons fill these pages. My fingers are crossed. (as an aside, they have of course completely lost the arguement as Jade rightly points out) The only thing you've pointed out over and over is your terrible gimmick consisting of two parts fail: 1. Only goons care and not every single person that's ever wanted a name change. 2. I don't possess the mental faculties to understand this issue. Bonus # 3. I am one of Jade's VIP customers.
DeBleu14 Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 16:07:00 - [630] Originally by: Captain ULTIMATE Bonus # 3. I am one of Jade's VIP customers. I pity the asterisk key on your keyboard

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