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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.25 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Karma Do you really think all those posts for support are by Goons?
Well, I think the massive majority are from goons, goon alts, goon allies and good fanbois - a smaller proportion might be from younger players carried along with the hue and cry and mistakenly believing some of the complete nonsense that is being posted by the goons.
Ultimately this is partizan political thread and the goon coalition has been instructed to follow the party line by its leadership.
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Maraleith
Gallente Zephan Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.25 03:21:00 -
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I really don't know what to make of this.
One one hand, a disgraced, cheating Alliance seems to yet again have been rewarded by GM's in what appears to be a clearly inappropriate use of GM discretion.
On the other, I am so sick of the pathetic, puerile destruction of COAD and the in-game spamming of Goonswarm.
I am amazed to find myself ambivalent; I really don't care. The more I think about it, the more I think that it is no big deal whether it is Kenzoku or BoB Reloaded.
As for goonies whining, I find myself thinking that perhaps if they showed more respect to others I would care that there was a bias against them by the GM's.
I suppose I will get spammmed with abusive eve-mails and 1 line abusive comments but as far as I am concerned is the only difference between Goonswarm and BoB is that BoB got caught cheating red handed.
Apart from that; there is not much between them at all.
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Tobruk
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.25 03:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Kalie Erry Speaking of reading before posting Jade, are you going to read every post of unprecedented support for this idea?
I just see a standard goon+coalition threadnaught with no real substance demanding that ccp bend over for 5000 players in a dark corner of 0.0. Nothing new really.
Ultimately I think you need understand that a thread full of alts and mindless "+1s" doesn't really achieve anything.
This thread will go the way of the "make goons in charge of CAOD" thread and disappear in a couple of days in a puff of smoke and hyperbole and nobody will lament its absence.
Meanwhile the rest of the server gets on with playing the game.
I'd advise you to do the same.
right instead lets have them bendover for 3000 in public.
Besides jade thoes 5000+ players don't matter right? they are all goons, every single one of them in this whole thread are goons and goon alts. Whats a a few thousand +1s here and there... OH thats right the whole point of the CSM.
I really instensely dislike people like you. at least with goons you know where you stand, they wear their identity on their sleeve. you, you will support principles one day, anything goes the next, and have a public identity crisis on the third. you have no principles and frankly it gets annoying trying to have a forum debate with you. I don't know what to say because i know you aren't reading or listening, your just posting and reading your own posts.
are you saying there is no history of GM misconduct, and are you saying that nothing here is wrong at all? really? come on Jade, please throw us all a bone and take a stand one way or the other (goonswarm aside). is it right or is it wrong.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.25 03:39:00 -
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Originally by: Maraleith I really don't know what to make of this.
One one hand, a disgraced, cheating Alliance seems to yet again have been rewarded by GM's in what appears to be a clearly inappropriate use of GM discretion.
On the other, I am so sick of the pathetic, puerile destruction of COAD and the in-game spamming of Goonswarm.
I am amazed to find myself ambivalent; I really don't care. The more I think about it, the more I think that it is no big deal whether it is Kenzoku or BoB Reloaded.
As for goonies whining, I find myself thinking that perhaps if they showed more respect to others I would care that there was a bias against them by the GM's.
I suppose I will get spammmed with abusive eve-mails and 1 line abusive comments but as far as I am concerned is the only difference between Goonswarm and BoB is that BoB got caught cheating red handed.
Apart from that; there is not much between them at all.
Don't worry - Goons have been caught red-handed a fair bit in the past too. Its pretty standard for big-alliance corruption
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Ishbuanium
Black Skull Legion No Apology
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Posted - 2009.03.25 03:45:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Kalie Erry Speaking of reading before posting Jade, are you going to read every post of unprecedented support for this idea?
I just see a standard goon+coalition threadnaught with no real substance demanding that ccp bend over for 5000 players in a dark corner of 0.0. Nothing new really.
Ultimately I think you need understand that a thread full of alts and mindless "+1s" doesn't really achieve anything.
This thread will go the way of the "make goons in charge of CAOD" thread and disappear in a couple of days in a puff of smoke and hyperbole and nobody will lament its absence.
Meanwhile the rest of the server gets on with playing the game.
I'd advise you to do the same.
I see you are still out of touch with those you want to feel as if you represent.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.25 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: Tobruk are you saying there is no history of GM misconduct
There was a history of developer misconduct. It has been dealt with. Nowadays the "dev misconduct" thing is just a rallying call for goons to attempt to blugeon their way to victory in a political game that seeks to achieve results with whining and threadnaughts rather than playing the game.
Quote: and are you saying that nothing here is wrong at all? really?
Whats wrong here is that goons were allowed to keep the band of brothers alt corp without having it renamed "evecorp4234023049" in response to the bob leadership petition against identity theft.
Why this happened is even more troubling because I very much suspect it was delayed and delayed through fear of negative press before the retail release of the latest expansion. If this is indeed the case then it suggests the goon alliance has successfully bullied ccp into allowing full on identity theft to the detriment of an entire community of eve players and this is a very bad precedent.
Quote: come on Jade, please throw us all a bone and take a stand one way or the other (goonswarm aside). is it right or is it wrong.
I can't believe you couldn't read all that from my earlier posts to be quite honest.
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Raven Death
Caldari DarkStar 1
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Posted - 2009.03.25 03:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kinet My 2 cents...
.01 - Bob chose to rename to Ken for a reason, it gave them control over some portions of space or something. It didnt work out and eventually GOONs took even that away from them. If BOB had created a new name and got no benefit from it then I would agree the new name change is irrelevent but thats not the case, BOB benefited from using the Ken name so they should be stuck with it.
.01 - It didnt take CCP two months to figure out that BOB was disbanded using legal game mechanics and that GOONs took the BOB name. If this was an abuse of the game mechanics then it should have been dealt with in the first two weeks. It ticks me off that CCP waited for the Ken thing to go bad (ie. get their butts handed to them by GS) and THEN decided to let them change their name.
Disclaimer - The opinions expressed here reflect my own personal opinion and NOT the views of my corp or the CVA alliance.
Dont forget friends of Goon helped too.
And if anyone cares to look. i believe it was on page 37 that 2 members of the BOBR alliance posted support for this thread. Joke or not. It still counts
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Ishbuanium
Black Skull Legion No Apology
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Posted - 2009.03.25 03:52:00 -
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Edited by: Ishbuanium on 25/03/2009 03:53:10
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Quote: and are you saying that nothing here is wrong at all? really?
Whats wrong here is that goons were allowed to keep the band of brothers alt corp without having it renamed "evecorp4234023049" in response to the bob leadership petition against identity theft.
Why this happened is even more troubling because I very much suspect it was delayed and delayed through fear of negative press before the retail release of the latest expansion. If this is indeed the case then it suggests the goon alliance has successfully bullied ccp into allowing full on identity theft to the detriment of an entire community of eve players and this is a very bad precedent.
No, because CCP has already set up enough bad precedents (POS Bowling, Alliance Renaming, Banning the guy who finds out about the cheating Dev....)
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Xikulis
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 03:53:00 -
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Jade I am still waiting for your explanation on how you can steal a name nobody is using. However rather then explaining this please feel free to continue crying foul and crying identity theft. That works just as well I suppose.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.25 03:57:00 -
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Originally by: Xikulis Jade I am still waiting for your explanation on how you can steal a name nobody is using.
Well tee-shirts, mugs, killboard graphics, logos, hell ... custom keyrings and engraved nipple-clamps - who knows? Point as you very well know is that when 3000 players build a community around an ingame identity that identity belongs to them in some greater sense than a mere collection of letters.
But we both know your question was a troll since your own alliance leader has admitted "rushing" to register the alt corp identity purely to block the rightful owners of the name recreating their alliance name after the director-level emocide.
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Xikulis
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 04:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine Well tee-shirts, mugs, killboard graphics, logos, hell ... custom keyrings and engraved nipple-clamps - who knows? Point as you very well know is that when 3000 players build a community around an ingame identity that identity belongs to them in some greater sense than a mere collection of letters.
But we both know your question was a troll since your own alliance leader has admitted "rushing" to register the alt corp identity purely to block the rightful owners of the name recreating their alliance name after the director-level emocide.
Ah thank you that makes sense. Since they somehow "own" the rights to this name even though they are no longer using it nobody else can. So what CCP should do is modify the rules of the game to disallow anyone from using any previously used Corp or Alliance name/ticker. See when you put it that way it makes perfect sense. Thank you again.
Follow up question, since you were on CSM. Do you think when they add the ability to walk around in stations they should also add brothels?
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.25 04:07:00 -
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Originally by: Xikulis
Follow up question, since you were on CSM. Do you think when they add the ability to walk around in stations they should also add brothels?
Yes. And opium dens, illicit bare-knuckle fist-fighting rings, black market genetic emporiums, slums and every kind of seedy local you can think of.
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Xikulis
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 04:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Xikulis
Follow up question, since you were on CSM. Do you think when they add the ability to walk around in stations they should also add brothels?
Yes. And opium dens, illicit bare-knuckle fist-fighting rings, black market genetic emporiums, slums and every kind of seedy local you can think of.
Actually the "bare-knuckle fist-fighting rings" would probably make for a pretty interesting side game. If that was the case I'm not sure if I would rather see The Mittani vs Dianabolic or Jade Constantine vs Darius JOHNSON.
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Miss Artica
Gallente Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.
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Posted - 2009.03.25 04:12:00 -
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Stop crying goons...
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Wu Jiaqiu
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.03.25 04:28:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Artica Stop crying goons...
You haven't read this thread have you? It's not a simple name change, its about the rules and the favoritism they showed to Kenzoku. The only time a name can be changed is if its offensive in some way. Kenzoku clearly isn't. It isn't a Japanese swear word or anything so too bad.
That being said, if one alliance gets to have their name changed due to petition of members within their own alliance; everybodys name can be changed then.
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Mr Spot
I Blame Chum
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Posted - 2009.03.25 04:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Lady Karma Do you really think all those posts for support are by Goons?
Well, I think the massive majority are from goons, goon alts, goon allies and good fanbois - a smaller proportion might be from younger players carried along with the hue and cry and mistakenly believing some of the complete nonsense that is being posted by the goons.
So, everybody who disagrees with you is a goon or a noob and therefore their opinion doesn't count. How convenient.
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Ifni Zen
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.25 04:36:00 -
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Morag Tong
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Posted - 2009.03.25 04:39:00 -
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CyberChick
SiN. Corp Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.03.25 04:45:00 -
[1879]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Xikulis Jade I am still waiting for your explanation on how you can steal a name nobody is using.
Well tee-shirts, mugs, killboard graphics, logos, hell ... custom keyrings and engraved nipple-clamps - who knows? Point as you very well know is that when 3000 players build a community around an ingame identity that identity belongs to them in some greater sense than a mere collection of letters.
But we both know your question was a troll since your own alliance leader has admitted "rushing" to register the alt corp identity purely to block the rightful owners of the name recreating their alliance name after the director-level emocide.
Technically no, doesn't matter what their community built up, you could use the argument that the USA Television Channel HBO and Time Warner has more rights to the Band of Brothers due to their 2001 TV Drama Series based on the life and actions of 101st Airborne, Easy Company in World War 2 than a group of 3000 internet spaceship game players, who have no real world legal claim to the name.
At the time after the Bob alliance was disbanded through legitimate in game mechanics the was no alliance, corporation or any other entity called Band of Brothers, no one individual or group had any preferential right to the name regardless of how many key rings or tee-shirts they had. Goons got their first, and bob wasn't fast enough to do anything about it!
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ruckizucki
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Posted - 2009.03.25 04:48:00 -
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Yon Krum
The Knights Templar Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.03.25 04:48:00 -
[1881]
Approved.
If CCP wants to start enabling name-changes, then let them notify the player base in an orderly manner and post their policy for such. Other games charge real money as well for such a privilage (like portrait changes).
Regardless, unilateral action favoring a single faction or alliance (again, BoB) is intolerable, and exactly why the CSM exists. You'd think someone would have learned their lesson after t20, but whatever... back to the woodshed we take them!
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KeratinBoy
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 04:50:00 -
[1882]
No compromise. Not even in the face of Armageddon.
I see it is busy spewing nonsense like it's going out of style here, too. Has it found a cross to nail itself to yet?
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Baun
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.25 04:50:00 -
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Edited by: Baun on 25/03/2009 04:57:17 One would have hoped that CCP would have learned its lesson about giving an alliance preferential treatment. Out of a desire not to play a game run by people out of touch with reality, one also would have hoped that after years of rampant corruption from ISD, an exposed cheating Dev and numerous documented Devs involved in BoB that CCP would have noticed that it wasn't ok to blatantly play favorite with the same group of people AGAIN.
Rename BOBR to RKZ and let them disband pay 1bil and reset all of their sov counters if they want to get the name that they were inexplicably given without having to following in game mechanics . . . just like everyone else.
I am actually having a hard time believing that this wasn't a unilateral action but some junior GM who didn't understand the ****storm he was walking into - can't conceive that there would be obvious preferential treatment like this AND that they would actually break game mechanics by allowing them to go over the character limit.
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Ceru Nara
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Posted - 2009.03.25 05:03:00 -
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Supported, but disband goonswarm too once the drama dies down and the forums get boring again.
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Shopmuleomg
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Posted - 2009.03.25 05:05:00 -
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Hexman
Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.25 05:15:00 -
[1886]
shameful
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Dr'Lonnie Smith
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Posted - 2009.03.25 05:58:00 -
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Something so insignificant, get a grips of yourself's people, in the "context" of what has happened and the due process that went about to the renaming personally I see nothing wrong with it.
It appears that a lot of people are just caught up with the "E-HATE" and lack any common sense.
My 2c, but don't let me stop your winning.
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Posted - 2009.03.25 06:14:00 -
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Frank McTeague
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.25 06:15:00 -
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Originally by: Dr'Lonnie Smith Something so insignificant, get a grips of yourself's people, in the "context" of what has happened and the due process that went about to the renaming personally I see nothing wrong with it.
It appears that a lot of people are just caught up with the "E-HATE" and lack any common sense.
My 2c, but don't let me stop your winning.
sup, welcome to eve, I guess you haven't been playing for very long, and don't quite rememnber T20, Aura, Delve buffs, and all of the other crap BoBr has gotten handed to them from corrupt devs and GMs over the years
change the name back, disband bobr, or drop their sov. this **** has gone on for too long now.
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Lokhmar
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Posted - 2009.03.25 06:16:00 -
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+1
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