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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:21:00 -
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So, a while back I made a thread about how CCP will be nerfing Falcon range specifically, and all ECM range in general. Here is the thread via Eve-search.com: I TOLD YOU SO
Everyone flamed me blah blah blah, told me that I didn't know what I was talking about etc., that there was no official word on it, blah blah blah. I stuck my neck out with the prediction with the possibility of being wrong, but no, I was right. I was right all along.
So yeah, I told you so, but you didn't want to listen to me. Piracy difficulty just went up a notch now that most ECM ships won't be able to operate inside of sentry range. Good luck with that.
Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Death of Virtue is Recruiting
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VoiceInTheDesert
Zebra Corp Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:26:00 -
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To me, Falcons in lowsec were only real issue here. They could operate at gate fights when other recons couldn't...which is a little unbalanced.
I just hope they don't go overboard with it.
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Percy Soars
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:27:00 -
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Oh wait, this isn't a Siigari Kitawa thread.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:31:00 -
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If they nerf the range then Falcons should get a 25m3 drone bay.
Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman |
Tarjema Maloria
In Pain Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:32:00 -
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Am I missing something? Wheres the official statement from CCP saying they are doing this?
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Ouset radealt
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus Naysayer I'd have a lot more sympathy if you hadn't been a falcon-whiner yourself.
Now my position can be summarised as "I told you so".
Bet his laughing off teh side of this face...lol
I LOVE YOU BELLUM
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:44:00 -
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Considering you have been whining about almost everyone one day or another and predicting every shade of doomsday, it is no surprise that you happen to be correct once in a while. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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VoiceInTheDesert
Zebra Corp Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Tarjema Maloria Am I missing something? Wheres the official statement from CCP saying they are doing this?
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1032703
Check the Game Dev forum for a much more fun thread about fixing SB's as well.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:52:00 -
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Bellum, claiming the Falcon was going to get nerfed puts you in with the people that were predicting the Thorax would lose its 200m3 dronebay.
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:01:00 -
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Changes aren't even on SISI yet I believe.
Get ready to spam whines and counter whines in Game Dev/Features/Ships and mods.
Now EVE related mod proof Disco Kitteh |
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GateScout
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:04:00 -
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Edited by: GateScout on 24/03/2009 23:04:04 The "Brawler" falcon.
Buhahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Damn CCP.....that's funny.
Buhahahahahahahahahahahaha!
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:09:00 -
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Edited by: Esmenet on 24/03/2009 23:11:23
Originally by: Bellum Eternus So, a while back I made a thread about how CCP will be nerfing Falcon range specifically, and all ECM range in general. Here is the thread via Eve-search.com: I TOLD YOU SO
People were predicting it before the nano nerf, as it would be the next thing the whiners would go after. Next up remote repping.
Wts Falcon, guaranteed to last 2 seconds in combat.
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Ephemeron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:11:00 -
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Falcon definitely needs a nerf. OR, all other recons need a major boost
You may be satisfied with the tactical uses of falcons, but you can't even pretend that it is balanced with respect other other recon ships.
You should also be aware that the influence of falcon in small gang warfare is too heavily weighted. It may be ok if both sides have equal number of falcons, it may be ok in large scale sniper fleet battles, but it's really unfair to small non-bloby pvp. And small scale pvp already has a lot of challanges, this change makes it better.
tho, I'm not familiar with exact changes proposed
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:14:00 -
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Edited by: Esmenet on 24/03/2009 23:15:07
Originally by: Ephemeron Falcon definitely needs a nerf. OR, all other recons need a major boost
You may be satisfied with the tactical uses of falcons, but you can't even pretend that it is balanced with respect other other recon ships.
You should also be aware that the influence of falcon in small gang warfare is too heavily weighted. It may be ok if both sides have equal number of falcons, it may be ok in large scale sniper fleet battles, but it's really unfair to small non-bloby pvp. And small scale pvp already has a lot of challanges, this change makes it better.
tho, I'm not familiar with exact changes proposed
It wont change much at all for small scale combat(except for pirates) but make ecm useless in larger gangs. But i guess we only want dps ships in combat.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:16:00 -
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Falcons are dying.
Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman |
Irida Mershkov
Gallente Shadowsun Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:17:00 -
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Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 24/03/2009 23:19:23 What changes? what did I miss?
Edit: I see the link, hohoho.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:20:00 -
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Edited by: Zeba on 24/03/2009 23:20:54
Originally by: Irida Mershkov What changes? what did I miss?
Originally by: VoiceInTheDesert
Originally by: Tarjema Maloria Am I missing something? Wheres the official statement from CCP saying they are doing this?
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1032703
Check the Game Dev forum for a much more fun thread about fixing SB's as well.
Edit: I see you found the link after all.
Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman |
Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron Falcon definitely needs a nerf. OR, all other recons need a major boost
You may be satisfied with the tactical uses of falcons, but you can't even pretend that it is balanced with respect other other recon ships.
You should also be aware that the influence of falcon in small gang warfare is too heavily weighted. It may be ok if both sides have equal number of falcons, it may be ok in large scale sniper fleet battles, but it's really unfair to small non-bloby pvp. And small scale pvp already has a lot of challanges, this change makes it better.
tho, I'm not familiar with exact changes proposed
Falcons just need to have their ECM strength cut in half. Problem solved.
Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Death of Virtue is Recruiting
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Kalissa Dauntless
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus Falcons just need to have their ECM strength cut in half. Problem solved.
Agreed. Nerfing the operational range would make the ship useless as drones/sentries/snipers/people looking at it/small rocks would cause the falcon to explode. As Bellum suggests, making the ECM strength weaker and allowing the target more chance of resisting is the sensible, quick and easy option.
I've seen loads of posts like boost the scorp and rook, make the falcon jamming only work on wednesdays if it's raining and you're holding a can of sardines in your left hand while hopping on one foot - far too complicated, time consuming and throws it all into the unknown.
Cut their ECM effectiveness- simple, easy and everyone knows what they're getting.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Kalissa Dauntless
Originally by: Bellum Eternus Falcons just need to have their ECM strength cut in half. Problem solved.
Agreed. Nerfing the operational range would make the ship useless as drones/sentries/snipers/people looking at it/small rocks would cause the falcon to explode. As Bellum suggests, making the ECM strength weaker and allowing the target more chance of resisting is the sensible, quick and easy option.
I've seen loads of posts like boost the scorp and rook, make the falcon jamming only work on wednesdays if it's raining and you're holding a can of sardines in your left hand while hopping on one foot - far too complicated, time consuming and throws it all into the unknown.
Cut their ECM effectiveness- simple, easy and everyone knows what they're getting.
Couldn't have said it better myself. 10/10.
Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Death of Virtue is Recruiting
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Cailais
Amarr Diablo Advocatus Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.03.25 00:00:00 -
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Predicting a Falcon nerf is a bit like predicting the sun might come up tomorrow.
C.
Originally by: Capa So if you wake up one morning and it's a particularly beautiful day, you'll know we made it.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Cailais Predicting a Falcon nerf is a bit like predicting the sun might come up tomorrow.
C.
Yep. You basically said as much in my original thread predicting a Falcon nerf. However, I specifically said that they would nerf it's range, which they did, instead of changing it in some other fashion, which they could have.
So regardless of what you can come up with, it doesn't dilute the fact that I'm as right as right can get. I told you so back in January. I'm telling you so now.
And I'm also telling you that how they're changing the Falcon and other ECM ships isn't the way to do it. Just for the record. You heard it here first.
Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Death of Virtue is Recruiting
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Neesa Corrinne
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:29:00 -
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I agree, falcons are entirely OP and should be nerfed. ---------------------------------
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Wilhelm Beck
Queens of the Stone Age Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:30:00 -
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unlucky for you it hasn't happened yet |
Celestal
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:50:00 -
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WOW such personal back rubbing/ look at me im a clever boy, mommy ,from the op
the OP is known as being a shotgun whiner ( whine about enough things he will eventually score a hit , then forget the misses )
congrats kid you finally winged a bird with your shotgun .
we should care about pirate alts not being able to avoid sentries ? LOL
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.03.25 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: Celestal we should care about pirate alts not being able to avoid sentries ? LOL
Non-issue. Even with the ecm changes a top skilled Rook will still have the range be able to do exactly the same thing a Falcon can currently do at a low sec gate. They just removed the warp whilst cloaked bit for the long range jammer role and made eccm generally moar effectie across the board. Ships with no eccm are still going to be mightly annoyed whenever one shows up.
Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman |
Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2009.03.25 02:07:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: Ephemeron Falcon definitely needs a nerf. OR, all other recons need a major boost
You may be satisfied with the tactical uses of falcons, but you can't even pretend that it is balanced with respect other other recon ships.
You should also be aware that the influence of falcon in small gang warfare is too heavily weighted. It may be ok if both sides have equal number of falcons, it may be ok in large scale sniper fleet battles, but it's really unfair to small non-bloby pvp. And small scale pvp already has a lot of challanges, this change makes it better.
tho, I'm not familiar with exact changes proposed
Falcons just need to have their ECM strength cut in half. Problem solved.
So you want the Caldari Force Recon to be a cloaking blackbird?
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Sandwich PvP
The Maverick Navy PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.25 02:18:00 -
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Sorry, but even in small gang pvp there were a number of counters to Falcons, if you were foolish enough not to bring one or more of them, then you deserved to fail. ECCM? Fast lock Snipers? Falcons are a cardboard ship, now that they intend to nerf them to close range, they are no longer a viable fleet or even small gang ship.
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Cailais
Amarr Diablo Advocatus Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.03.25 02:42:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: Cailais Predicting a Falcon nerf is a bit like predicting the sun might come up tomorrow.
C.
So regardless of what you can come up with, it doesn't dilute the fact that I'm as right as right can get.
Congratulations. Here, have a cookie.
C.
Originally by: Capa So if you wake up one morning and it's a particularly beautiful day, you'll know we made it.
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Shade Millith
International House of PWNCakes Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.03.25 02:45:00 -
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Edited by: Shade Millith on 25/03/2009 02:46:20 Edited by: Shade Millith on 25/03/2009 02:45:29
Originally by: Sandwich PvP ECCM?
I used to think that ECCM was a good counter for a falcon, until I started doing a lot of soloing. Even with 2 overloaded ECCM and a backup sensor array on my drake, I got jammed for two cycles in a fight against a single target with a falcon.
I had over 109 sensor strength. To get that I had to lower my tank, my DPS and my tackling ability. --------------------------------------------
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