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elohllird
Destructive Influence KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.03.25 23:06:00 -
[511]
is modifying the client within the rules?
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Vincent Gaines
Avis de Captura
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Posted - 2009.03.25 23:07:00 -
[512]
Originally by: elohllird is modifying the client within the rules?
only when goons do it.
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ThorTheGreat
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 23:07:00 -
[513]
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
Originally by: ThorTheGreat
I'll complain about stuff that actually happens rather than building straw men to make it look as if I have a point.
goons modified the client, you say it's ok to modify the client- in your words, "I don't care"
I want to understand what you're saying... because so far it seems as though changing an alliance name is less of an issue than doing any kind of client modification, especially en masse.
Goons never modified the client. Keep those circular arguments commin' boys!
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Himo Amasacia
Minmatar Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 23:07:00 -
[514]
Edited by: Himo Amasacia on 25/03/2009 23:08:45 Lets be clear. I dont care about the name change. The could call themselves Sausages and it would not make a solitary difference to me. I log in every night and beat the stuffing out of them, and that would remain the case whether they are called BOB or Kenny or Beaver.
What enraged me was the fact that they were given an unprecedented favour that no-one else in the game has ever been given. They have the power to be called "POWER UNDERWHELMING" any time they want, but it would require them dropping sov in the 9 systems they have left, and CCP allowed them to skip the bad part of the decision.
This reversal was the right decision and I applaud CCP for it.
BY THE WAY, A question to BOB. If the name means nothing to you, how come you are posting altered killmails onto your killboard, with the name Kenzuko stripped and the Name Band of Brothers inserted instead. It seems that you are so "its only a name really!!! WHY DO YOU CARE" yourselves that you have created a script to erase "Kenzuko" from your own killboard, and thereby are posting altered killmails onto your own board instead.
If anyone does not believe me they can check out the Kenzuko Killboard at www.killboard.net.
By their deeds you shall know them.
"Constant practice devoted to one subject often outdoes both intelligence and skill." -Cicero |
Momoha
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 23:08:00 -
[515]
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
Originally by: elohllird is modifying the client within the rules?
only when goons do it.
I'll go screenshot my modified client given to me by CCP themselves in a few.
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elohllird
Destructive Influence KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.03.25 23:08:00 -
[516]
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
Originally by: elohllird is modifying the client within the rules?
only when goons do it.
so your saying it aint in the rules? can you give me link to where it says it aint in the rules.
im intrigued
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ThorTheGreat
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 23:09:00 -
[517]
Originally by: elohllird
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
Originally by: elohllird is modifying the client within the rules?
only when goons do it.
so your saying it aint in the rules? can you give me link to where it says it aint in the rules.
im intrigued
It's right next to the link of the modified client.
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Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey
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Posted - 2009.03.25 23:09:00 -
[518]
Edited by: Eventy One on 25/03/2009 23:12:23 At the end of the day - the name doesn't matter.
The reason everyone is worked up is because - Justice must be seen to be transparent, and impartial.
The real looser, here, is CCP, simply because the end of BoB, and subsequent petition, backed them into a corner where it really didn't matter what they decided - at least half the community (involved in the BoB/Goon conflict), a sizeable number, were going to end up being ticked.
PRECEDENTS? With respect to the observations of a somewhat uninvolved observer - the fact that CoW was renamed, shows, that CCP had some precedent for renaming the alliance formerly known as BoB to BoBR.
The precedent was there for the renaming but not everyone is going to agree the situations are similar and the precedent applies in this case; basically on partisan grounds. If this was the first instance of an alliance being renamed - the situation would be far worse, but I think CCP has some basis for defending their decision.
With respect to Stian Alliance/Stain Alliance - the fact that partition was turned down, the reasoning, is not transparent. I think this hurts this whole debate.
CONSEQUENCES WITH RESPECT TO ALLIANCES At the end of the day BoB/Kenzoku/BoBR & Goons are going to continue to wage war against one another. The issue of Sovereignty or loss of Sovereignty would have made recovery by Bob/BoBR either much harder or maintained status quo. Either way, the war would have waged on.
CONSEQUENCES WITH RESPECT TO CCP As I said before CCP is the looser here, not the players; as angry as people are - people need to see this.
I personally don't believe CCP, or elements of CCP, are sympathetic to BoB any more than they are to any other alliance. I know people with long memories might disagree, but it would be stupid from a business perspective, at his point - plain and simple.
I do think CCP is going to have to flush out internal policy, with respect to the transparent application of law, in and out of game. Why, in one case was a decision made, while in the other, it wasn't. Was this documented? Is all of this transparent to the community?
Peace.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.03.25 23:10:00 -
[519]
Edited by: Avon on 25/03/2009 23:11:04
Originally by: elohllird is modifying the client within the rules?
When I petitioned it I got the "No modification of the eve client is allowed" reply, with a note about that including files contained in the Eve folders, or used by the client. Also a definition of modification as changing the appearance or function of the client.
アニメ漫画です
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Vincent Gaines
Avis de Captura
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Posted - 2009.03.25 23:10:00 -
[520]
Originally by: Momoha
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
Originally by: elohllird is modifying the client within the rules?
only when goons do it.
I'll go screenshot my modified client given to me by CCP themselves in a few.
k I'll wait
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elohllird
Destructive Influence KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.03.25 23:10:00 -
[521]
Himo i have no knowledge of this and couldnt give a monkeys arse tba if you care about it i will investigate.
/me puts on inspector morse shoes
swoosh
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Lee Bian
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 23:11:00 -
[522]
Originally by: XoPhyte
Originally by: Momoha
Originally by: XoPhyte
No, you should threadnaught that "other alliances have never gotten this treatment" & "CCP shows Bob favoritism" and then when presented with the facts that this has occured in the past claim "CCP should be able to change policy whenever they want so long as it works out for Goons"
Is yelling "threadnaught threadnaught threadnaught" Kenny code for whining?
No, it's simply calling a threadnaught what it is.... a threadnaught.
do you remember when the whole t20 thing was discovered and there where hundreds of threads created about it, so ccp had to close down the forums?
that's a threadnaught. this was just posting
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Momoha
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 23:11:00 -
[523]
Originally by: Eventy One
At the end of the day - the name doesn't matter.
The reason everyone is worked up is because - Justice must be seen to be transparent, and impartial.
The real looser, here, is CCP, simply because the end of BoB, and subsequent petition, backed them into a corner where it really didn't matter what they decided - at least half the community (involved in the BoB/Goon conflict), a sizeable number, were going to end up being ticked.
PRECEDENTS? With respect to the observations of a somewhat uninvolved observer - the fact that CoW was renamed, shows, that CCP had some precedent for renaming the alliance formerly known as BoB to BoBR.
The precedent was there for the renaming but not everyone is going to agree the situations are similar and the precedent applies in this case; basically on partisan grounds. If this was the first instance of an alliance being renamed - the situation would be far worse, but I think CCP has some basis for defending their decision.
With respect to Stian Alliance/Stain Alliance - the fact that partition was turned down, the reasoning, is not transparent. I think this hurts this whole debate.
CONSEQUENCES WITH RESPECT TO ALLIANCES At the end of the day BoB/Kenzoku/BoBR & Goons are going to continue to wage war against one another. The issue of Sovereignty or loss of Sovereignty would have made recovery by Bob/BoBR either much harder or maintained status quo. Either way, the war would have waged on.
CONSEQUENCES WITH RESPECT TO CCP As I said before CCP is the looser here, not the players; as angry as people are - people need to see this.
I personally don't believe CCP, or elements of CCP, are sympathetic to BoB any more than they are to any other alliance. I know people with long memories might disagree, but it would be stupid from a business perspective, at his point - plain and simple.
I do think CCP is going to have to flush out internal policy, with respect to the transparent application of law, in and out of game. Why, in one case was a decision made, while in the other, it wasn't. Is all of this transparent to the community?
Peace.
Is your huge vagina looser than Ladyscarlet's?
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XoPhyte
Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.03.25 23:12:00 -
[524]
Originally by: Himo Amasacia What enraged me was the fact that they were given an unprecedented favour that no-one else in the game has ever been given. They have the power to be called "POWER UNDERWHELMING" any time they want, but it would require them dropping sov in the 9 systems they have left, and CCP allowed them to skip the bad part of the decision.
This reversal was the right decision and I applaud CCP for it.
Except that it HAS been done in the past. I would suggest reading the last 3 pages. Since you are "enraged" you may be "enraged" to learn that when goons were made aware of this fact their comments where "we threadnaughted anway to pull crap towards bob" and "ccp should be allowed to change their policy whenever they want, we don't care if they did it in the past, we don't want them to do it now".
Have fun reading
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Bernard Bolzano
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Posted - 2009.03.25 23:12:00 -
[525]
so it took 2 months to decide, then 3 days to revoke....
threadnought! go!
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Oran Sound
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 23:13:00 -
[526]
Originally by: Eventy One Edited by: Eventy One on 25/03/2009 23:12:23 At the end of the day - the name doesn't matter.
The reason everyone is worked up is because - Justice must be seen to be transparent, and impartial.
The real looser, here, is CCP, simply because the end of BoB, and subsequent petition, backed them into a corner where it really didn't matter what they decided - at least half the community (involved in the BoB/Goon conflict), a sizeable number, were going to end up being ticked.
PRECEDENTS? With respect to the observations of a somewhat uninvolved observer - the fact that CoW was renamed, shows, that CCP had some precedent for renaming the alliance formerly known as BoB to BoBR.
The precedent was there for the renaming but not everyone is going to agree the situations are similar and the precedent applies in this case; basically on partisan grounds. If this was the first instance of an alliance being renamed - the situation would be far worse, but I think CCP has some basis for defending their decision.
With respect to Stian Alliance/Stain Alliance - the fact that partition was turned down, the reasoning, is not transparent. I think this hurts this whole debate.
CONSEQUENCES WITH RESPECT TO ALLIANCES At the end of the day BoB/Kenzoku/BoBR & Goons are going to continue to wage war against one another. The issue of Sovereignty or loss of Sovereignty would have made recovery by Bob/BoBR either much harder or maintained status quo. Either way, the war would have waged on.
CONSEQUENCES WITH RESPECT TO CCP As I said before CCP is the looser here, not the players; as angry as people are - people need to see this.
I personally don't believe CCP, or elements of CCP, are sympathetic to BoB any more than they are to any other alliance. I know people with long memories might disagree, but it would be stupid from a business perspective, at his point - plain and simple.
I do think CCP is going to have to flush out internal policy, with respect to the transparent application of law, in and out of game. Why, in one case was a decision made, while in the other, it wasn't. Was this documented? Is all of this transparent to the community?
Peace.
Its loser.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.03.25 23:14:00 -
[527]
Originally by: Oran Sound
Its loser.
It's
アニメ漫画です
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Vladimir Griftin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.03.25 23:14:00 -
[528]
I realise this thread is rapidly degenerating into a slanging match, but this 'precedent' which is being thrown about. This dates back to a missing alliance fee and some jokers taking the name for a laugh?
BoB was disbanded by one of its alliance leaders, someone with the legitimate power to do so. This alliance leader then defected to another alliance and took the name with him.
That's not even remotely the same thing.
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JitaBum
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.25 23:14:00 -
[529]
If it takes 2 months for CCP to make a bad decision, how long does it take to make a good one?
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elohllird
Destructive Influence KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.03.25 23:14:00 -
[530]
Edited by: elohllird on 25/03/2009 23:14:27 momoha are you the "special one" in goons
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Momoha
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 23:14:00 -
[531]
Originally by: Avon
It's
It is.
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Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey
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Posted - 2009.03.25 23:15:00 -
[532]
Edited by: Eventy One on 25/03/2009 23:16:34
Originally by: Oran Sound Its loser.
Clarify? Spelling?
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ElweSingollo
The Higher Standard
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Posted - 2009.03.25 23:15:00 -
[533]
pretty pathetic really who cares about the name change except goons and really who the **** except goons cares about goons
CCP and Eve Online... It's not a bug, it's a feature
In Before I Get M***** Again
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XoPhyte
Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.03.25 23:15:00 -
[534]
Edited by: XoPhyte on 25/03/2009 23:15:56
Originally by: Vladimir Griftin I realise this thread is rapidly degenerating into a slanging match, but this 'precedent' which is being thrown about. This dates back to a missing alliance fee and some jokers taking the name for a laugh?
BoB was disbanded by one of its alliance leaders, someone with the legitimate power to do so. This alliance leader then defected to another alliance and took the name with him.
That's not even remotely the same thing.
So then there is a policy clearly written where names will be returned or changed and where they won't be? And Bob clearly cheats for not knowing this "policy" and asking for it to be changed?
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madd0g11
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Posted - 2009.03.25 23:15:00 -
[535]
'We didn't want Band of Brothers reloaded anyways'
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.03.25 23:16:00 -
[536]
Originally by: Momoha
Originally by: Avon
It's
It is.
Well done, you seem to be able to understand the importance of a well placed apostrophe.
アニメ漫画です
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Momoha
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 23:16:00 -
[537]
Originally by: elohllird
momoha are you the "special one" in goons
Is "goons" some new corp? Never heard of it.
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elohllird
Destructive Influence KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.03.25 23:17:00 -
[538]
Originally by: madd0g11 'We didn't want Band of Brothers reloaded anyways'
and on that bombshell
close thread we have been owned
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XoPhyte
Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.03.25 23:17:00 -
[539]
Originally by: Himo Amasacia If the name means nothing to you, how come you are posting altered killmails onto your killboard, with the name Kenzuko stripped and the Name Band of Brothers inserted instead. It seems that you are so "its only a name really!!! WHY DO YOU CARE" yourselves that you have created a script to erase "Kenzuko" from your own killboard, and thereby are posting altered killmails onto your own board instead
And why do you care?
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elohllird
Destructive Influence KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.03.25 23:18:00 -
[540]
Originally by: Momoha
Originally by: elohllird
momoha are you the "special one" in goons
Is "goons" some new corp? Never heard of it.
no it aint its a new word to say you have been reported twice by me to ccp
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