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Bad Messenger
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.05.13 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Erik Finnegan Edited by: Erik Finnegan on 12/05/2009 11:48:03
_ Finishing Factional Warfare
There are mechanical flaws, which need to be addressed, from known exploits to stupid spawning. In addition to these engineering issues, I see a much greater importance of Factional Warfare for the whole Galaxy. When war broke lose between the Empires, I hoped that it would bring a sort of endgame to high-sec. Imagine : conquering a system will make it harder for the inhabitants loyal to the defeated faction to live in it.
Also, I do not see a reason why Amarr can ally with Caldari, but a capsuleer Alliance cannot. Oh, and did I say that I hate spawning ? Let plex appearance be player-driven, not totally random ! I can imagine player-owned habitats as factors in occupancy. With solid profits attached until being conquered or destroyed by the enemy. Some kind of sovereignty in Empire space.
"from known exploits to stupid spawning" ? So you are saying that taking plexes after their spawn is exploit? Oh my god. But then again Ankh did not see any problems using her high standings to plex attack plexes without NPC attacking. I know that CCP said it works as intended ( which sounds odd ). But Ankh was not willing to do everything to change this 'bug' or stop to use it because she was gaining advantage and causing unfair game to other player like good griefers usually does. Ankh was plexing afk and wanted good reward from it, even medal were asked for being afk.
I do not like exploiters so i do not vote for you and you can blaim Ankh for that.
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Dariah Stardweller
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Posted - 2009.05.14 12:40:00 -
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Confirming me and my alts will be voting Take Care.
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EliteSlave
Minmatar Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.05.14 14:56:00 -
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I will not be voting for someone that cannot make their own voice in the CSM, I will not vote for someone who is really a Marionette of a previous CSM member, A failure at that, Who has not one Idea / Proposal of his own.
Also the CSM as a whole is a PR gag and should just be terminated since the fact is you have done nothing for this game, nor will you ever do something that will actually impact the game that has meaning, yes you brought a skill queue... wow .... such a huge impacting change... runs for the hills... oh boy!
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Valgore Meurte
Minmatar The Tal'Shiar
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Posted - 2009.05.14 16:46:00 -
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Well, I am not to sure if I will be voting for Erik, though reading this has been fun. I myself am working on becoming a 0.0 carebear(drug manufacturing) along with my corp. I am glad to see from this that some people actually want to debate topics with the candidates before voting for them. I have checked out all the candidates that I could so far. But so far this is the only thread or candidate web page that actually has any real discussion on it. This is good sign to me in favor for Erik. As for as the candidates go, none of the have really stated any concrete plans in my opinion, some very good ideas in general of things to purpose, but no real plans. I would like to see that happen at this stage, it would give me better idea of what the candidates are willing to put into this. Hence the why I would never run, not that willing to put that much effort in this direction, just doesn't seem fun to me. But I do appreciate those who do. I am glad to see a couple of other candidates in this post, it gave me a better fell for them. Thanks to you candidates.
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Valgore Meurte
Minmatar The Tal'Shiar
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Posted - 2009.05.14 17:39:00 -
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I would also like to here what Erik or what anybody has to say about 0.0 systems that are non controllable by NPC or PC corps/faction for those people who really do want to be isolationist. Where you truly can run into random crap for varieties sake. I can run lvl4 missions, but don't cause I like slumming along, so it would be fun to me to make my way in the verse just barely scrapping by out in a dead system if I had to depend on trade caravans that only came though the system I was in once a week or so to get supplies and what not. Just to get off the grid sort of. Kinda put a whole new spin on ratting and salvaging. But hey a guy can only dream.
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Azure Horizon Federate Militia
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Posted - 2009.05.16 12:07:00 -
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Although I'm not very impressed with the results of the CSM so far, I will be voting again. The Take Care party seems the best choice.
Please take note many people fly solo when determining the focus for your campaign goals and get some FW-loving that is not eye-candy for us in the militias.
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Ol'summer bedLinen
Amarr The Lost Legion
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Posted - 2009.05.16 22:55:00 -
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To be very honest, throughout my MMO gaming experience, I've not once anticipated such a process where CSMs are voted in.
Erik, is the first friend I've made in game. I cannot remember how we've met, but perhaps it has something to do with the Sisters of Eve mission arc.
I was new to the game, captivated and taking my time with the baby steps. Erik was extremely helpful and patient when I bombarded him with questions about the game. One day, Erik asked if i could be his FW adviser. Can you believe it? I'm new to this game. I don't know my way around, I'm still trying to figure things out and here we have Erik asking me for advise. How about that? His reasoning for my selection was because I was a nooblet, fresh off the boat, all excited and eager. And he wanted a sense of perspective from a newcomer.
Well Erik, that didn't make much sense to a nooblet, but you have my vote, not because you're the first friend I've made in-game. But because you've shown genuine interest in opinions of even the minority (us new players). That's quite a big shoe you're about to step in, Erik. And I'm confident that you will fit that role perfectly.
ps. please excuse the grammar mistakes. My English is quite pitiful.
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iudex
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.05.18 05:22:00 -
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You got my vote. Because you want to support FW and because Ankhe recommended you.
Faction Standings: Serpentis +8.02 // Angel Cartel +8.57 // Minmatar Republic -9.00 // Gallente Federation -9.98 |
RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.05.19 11:07:00 -
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I am an alt in an NPC corp
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
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Sazumaan Johnza
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.05.19 12:48:00 -
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Edited by: Sazumaan Johnza on 19/05/2009 12:49:38 Hi Erik, I have just voted for you.
My personal passion is lag elimination and part of this is HPC / InfiniBand which I've been keeping tabs on in this thread. I would like you to follow up with CCP on this project if elected, a brief update would be nice.
Sazu
----- "Eve is more filling than roast steaks slowly grilling over a rotating fire whilst marinating in a combination of Australian fruity wines and the best imported herbs..." - SChimera [16.4.07 |
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Brodit
Gallente Dark Harlequin
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Posted - 2009.05.20 19:16:00 -
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Yeah, you sound like the sort of guy Dark Harlequin needs on the CSM. Have "advised" the corp of your candidacy and informed our head of security to do an exit poll of our membership. Fly Well.
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Frettren
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Posted - 2009.05.20 19:29:00 -
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How will you talk with Ank on matters subject to an NDA, should you get into the CSM? I would have thought that much of what the CSM discusses with CCP would be subject to such a thing.
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Meridius Dex
Amarr Gunship Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.05.21 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Frettren How will you talk with Ank on matters subject to an NDA, should you get into the CSM? I would have thought that much of what the CSM discusses with CCP would be subject to such a thing.
Doubtful they will acknowledge this publicly, but one assumes there will be many "off the record" discussions between Erik and Ankh if he is elected.
I find myself torn. Like most folks, I am not getting a strong sense that FW will be a strong focus of Erik's term and the only other candidate I've considered was Heartstone. But how can I vote for anyone who doesn't - you know - actually participate in FW at all?
In the end, it doesn't look like much to choose from this time around (Goumindong, why didn't you run again?).
I like Ankh's feistiness, it was one of the reasons I ended up voting for her in the past (I don't know why this girl doesn't pvp, she's got the scrappy nature for it!). Ankh did such a good job and was dogged in getting things accomplished through the CSM (never had much opinion of anyone else on these councils doing very much hard work, tbh).
Perhaps in the end that will be reason enough to vote for Erik. -- Meridius Dex Visit the Gunship Forums --
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.05.21 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius Dex I find myself torn. Like most folks, I am not getting a strong sense that FW will be a strong focus of Erik's term and the only other candidate I've considered was Heartstone. But how can I vote for anyone who doesn't - you know - actually participate in FW at all?
This is one of the reasons for me and BM's hostility. Also, he comes and spams our militia chat with his alt, urging people to vote. That sort of gets under my skin. Ankh also only participated in FW to exploit bugs in the system. Why would it be so hard to program NPCs to shoot all those not in friendly militia. Hell, npc pirates happily throw their frigates against any sized ships.
With Erik coming from this same camp, I cannot seriously consider voting him. I think none of the CSM candidates would move FW to direction i'd find good so I will cast the abstain vote.
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.05.22 11:36:00 -
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Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 22/05/2009 11:45:16 Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 22/05/2009 11:44:14
Originally by: Frettren How will you talk with Ank on matters subject to an NDA, should you get into the CSM? I would have thought that much of what the CSM discusses with CCP would be subject to such a thing.
The vast majority of things that are covered by the NDA is just the initial responses CCP gives to issues raised by CCP - and for the most part these are summarized in public minutes a week later.
My role, and that of the other Take Care advisors, is to provide as much data and different views as we can for Erik to base his issue on, which Erik can then use to write up his issue documents and use as material and arguments for discussion with the rest of the CSM and with CCP.
Like Factional Warfare, if there is some concern from the FW players that hasn't been raised before, then people such as Ol'Summer Bedlinnen and other FW people will likely pick it up quite fast, poke Erik, and brief him what the problem is exactly. The entire thing behind Take Care is that while the CSM you're going to vote for doesn't know everything, you do have a voice after you vote and can get the CSM to work for you. The thing I can guarantee about Erik is that he will put effort into getting your FW issues through, unlike the CSM in the current council that vote down FW issues such as FW lag as unimportant.
Same thing with me and 0.0, while I've been in Syndicate, Delve, Pure Blind and Providence, I've not been in any alliance that holds sov. Needless to say, the sov mechanics and 0.0 warfare do have a number of issues, thus I went out to ask as many 0.0 players of their views and used my knowledge as game designer to analyze the problems and come up with potential solutions. That's why I've had several people mailing and convo'ing me saying: "Hey Eva, this is what you need to know about the supercap issue!". The Take Care system works, as these people came to me with their issues and concerns, rather than having the 0.0 people on the CSM deal with the 0.0 issues exclusively. The CSM should be there for all players, and most importantly, provide an opportunity for all players to get directly involved in the CSM, and that's precisely the aim of Take Care.
Last, and these will be my only words about this topic, the claims by Bad Messenger and Damar that I'm using exploits in Factional Warfare are blatant lies, and stem from envy for my successes while in the Gallente Militia as well as a desire to oppose any improvements to FW because they are the top dogs in the current ruleset and see any change as a threat to their position. I've never abused the cloaking exploit, in fact I've sent numerous emails about it to CCP and basically told them in the CSM-CCP meeting that it's nothing less than a disgrace to CCP's reputation that such an exploit is still not fixed. The standings are working as intended. I find it odd that Damar accuses me of exploiting, while he is bragging in the Militia chat how he continously ganks mission runners in Dodixie while circumventing the Navy spawns through some loophole he and his corp are infamous for abusing. I'm not going to reply to further accusations and will report any follow-up on this to moderators as offtopic as such a discussion doesn't belong in ERIK's campaign thread. Warfare & Tactics that way ->
Ankhesentapemkah Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade Luminaire General of the Federal Defence Union Major of the State Protectorate ---
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Meridius Dex
Amarr Gunship Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.05.24 17:39:00 -
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I've spoken with Ankhe about this and believe she has been on the right path in regards to improving FW. That's why earlier this week I voted for Erik for CSM. Still some time left, hope others do the same. -- Meridius Dex Visit the Gunship Forums --
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Frettren
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Posted - 2009.05.24 22:45:00 -
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Ankhesentapemkah's repeated raising of the skill queue issue resulted in the implementation of a queue in the recent Apocrypha expansion
Not quite true...this didn't sit right, so I checked the issue records- Jade brought this up for a vote.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.05.25 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Frettren Ankhesentapemkah's repeated raising of the skill queue issue resulted in the implementation of a queue in the recent Apocrypha expansion
Not quite true...this didn't sit right, so I checked the issue records- Jade brought this up for a vote.
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Frettren
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Posted - 2009.05.25 22:07:00 -
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Sure thing...here's the link for you and those interested:
http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Skill_training_queue_%28CSM%29 |
Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.05.25 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Frettren Sure thing...here's the link for you and those interested:
http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Skill_training_queue_%28CSM%29
That's the old one, not the followups, which was referred to with the repeated raising part. ---
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Frettren
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Posted - 2009.05.26 09:48:00 -
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Actually, this was the time that the skill queue was taken to a CSM meeting with Jade as principal supporter, it was voted through to a CCP/CSM meeting, and at that meeting given high priority. CCP agreed to examine the skill queue and explore ways for implementation (CSM/CCP meeting minutes). Eight months later, a skill queue was introduced with the March 2009 expansion. In programming terms, given the other hurdles to overcome (ghost training etc) this is quick implementation.
Are you saying that you repreated raised this issue, despite the CSM assigning it high priority and CCP agreeing to examine it in depth (and obviously find a solution)?
Given that you have stated elsewhere in the forums that players that forum post aren't the sort Erik should be responding to, can you enlighten me as to how he will discuss/support/propose issues on the forums? Or can you confirm that this will be your responsibility, as Take Credit party will be elected (with Erik being the representative this CSM term).
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.05.26 10:17:00 -
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I'm not going to reply to troll baits. Just calling us the "Take Credit" party is shows your colors.
Your post simply has so many factual errors it isn't even funny, and that you're Larkonis' alt/friend is easily deducted from the last part of your post.
Post with your main. ---
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Frettren
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Posted - 2009.05.26 11:03:00 -
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Sorry, Take Care- no troll intended! Edited to correct.
Could you point out the factual errors of my post regarding Skill queue? All the information is easily obtained via the evewiki and forum posts.
Additionally, can you address the last part of my post? I am considering voting, but would need to be assured that Erik will be active in the forums as CSM rep (and not have a spokesperson doing this task).
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.05.26 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Frettren Could you point out the factual errors of my post regarding Skill queue? All the information is easily obtained via the evewiki and forum posts.
First of all the skill queue was given a medium-high priority by the CSM, not high.
A lot more went on behind the scenes than can be found on these forums. For example, it reads from the minutes that "Noah (CCP) indicated CCP's awareness of the player frustrations with the ~6 hour duration skill trainings. However, CCP strongly believes that switching skill training is an activity that encourages players to log into the game and play."
This is the part where my contribution comes into play, changing CCPs perception of this matter, and proving that players are not logging in and playing more due to having to change skills.
I did some research and wrote a document about this, it's a bit long but the conclusion is already reflected in the mk2 issue, it basically is that people are just inconvenienced by the skill completion time, and if they log in at an inconvenient time they only do so to change the skill, not to play. In addition, players used to be very selective in what skill to train. If they wanted to train skill A and B, they would not because these skills happened to end at an inconvenient time, so instead they would train skill C, which is a skill they did not want as much, just because it happened to complete at a certain time.
Of course CSM1 raised the issue, it was the first issue of the CSM and it was supported by everyone. However, CCP repeatedly said to the CSM that they'll "Look into the issue" but then either doesn't implement it at all or give it such a low priority that it still hasn't seen any resources allocated to it. This happens with high-priority issues as well. Thus it was extra important to remove any reservations CCP might have had towards the skill queue, which I considered one of the most important issues at that time.
Originally by: Frettren Additionally, can you address the last part of my post? I am considering voting, but would need to be assured that Erik will be active in the forums as CSM rep (and not have a spokesperson doing this task).
I'd appreciate it if that was truly your intention, but I have serious doubts regarding your consideration, due to you calling us the "Take Credit" party (which is what Larkonis and supporters call us) and directly referring to my response to a post by Larkonis which was removed by a moderator due to trolling. ---
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Frettren
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Posted - 2009.05.26 13:06:00 -
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Edited by: Frettren on 26/05/2009 13:09:35 Thanks for the response! Can you point me in the direction of the relevant paperwork? From the Evewiki, it reads as if the CSM1 raised issue, gave it priority and CCP then worked on a solution and implemented it within the year.
Just because my question may have been percieved to be from someone you may not like/agree with, does that make the question any less valid? I read the posts (from ALL parties, including yours) and am seriously wondering about this question.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.05.26 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Frettren Thanks for the response! Can you point me in the direction of the relevant paperwork? From the Evewiki, it reads as if the CSM1 raised issue, gave it priority and CCP then worked on a solution and implemented it within the year.
Sure, it's part of the documentation that I haven't wikified yet, I'll dig it up when I get home.
Originally by: Frettren Just because my question may have been percieved to be from someone you may not like/agree with, does that make the question any less valid? I read the posts (from ALL parties, including yours) and am seriously wondering about this question.
Well, it's one of the reasons why Take Care conducts most of it's discussions with the players ingame or through email. Forum debates tend to be circular and require much more time, while leaving too much room for (intentional) misinterpretation of the things said.
Between this post and my last one, I've had conversations with three people in game already, discussing Factional Warfare, the corp/alliance UI, supercaps, 0.0 improvements, walking in stations and many other topics. During my time on the CSM I've had hundreds of emails to my private address regarding EVE features and issues, and EVE-mail from at least 500 different players. Not to mention all the people that started conversations.
I think answering those players and discussing with them is more productive than nitpicking at some forum, where a lot of people are just looking for a cheapshot at their perceived opponents. A lot of players unfortunately avoid these forums due to the hostile attitude and trolling here, but that doesn't make their issues any less valid. Take Care doesn't ignore the forums, we just use alternative means of communication to complement it. Means which are easily accessible to everyone, as I'd say that for a lot of people, sending an E(ve)-mail has a lower barrier to participation than posting at these forums. ---
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Frettren
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Posted - 2009.05.26 14:26:00 -
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The forum, however is a PUBLIC discussion of ideas and views. Since the CSM are a publicly elected body and their dealings are supposed to be open, doesn't it make sense that the forums are the logical place to conduct discussions? Eve-mails tend to be between two parties, forums between many.
My question was whether Erik or a TC spokesperson (you or another) will be doing the forum posting/discussion if elected onto CSM (considering the opinion of the forum you have expressed).
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.05.26 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Frettren The forum, however is a PUBLIC discussion of ideas and views. Since the CSM are a publicly elected body and their dealings are supposed to be open, doesn't it make sense that the forums are the logical place to conduct discussions? Eve-mails tend to be between two parties, forums between many.
My question was whether Erik or a TC spokesperson (you or another) will be doing the forum posting/discussion if elected onto CSM (considering the opinion of the forum you have expressed).
Issues have to be on the forum for a minium of 7 days of discussion before the CSM is even allowed to raise it. So anything we do will have to be public, and open for discussion, which we will actively participate in. We're currently working out the stucture with the advisors, if we will have regularly scheduled meetings they will either be public where people can join in the channel or we'll release minutes afterwards. We want to be an open organisation, not some club of elitists that meets behind closed doors. ---
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Karando
Random Goods
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Posted - 2009.05.26 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ol'summer bedLinen I was new to the game, captivated and taking my time with the baby steps. Erik was extremely helpful and patient when I bombarded him with questions about the game. One day, Erik asked if i could be his FW adviser. Can you believe it? I'm new to this game. I don't know my way around, I'm still trying to figure things out and here we have Erik asking me for advise. How about that? His reasoning for my selection was because I was a nooblet, fresh off the boat, all excited and eager. And he wanted a sense of perspective from a newcomer.
WTF. Are you two freaks going absolutely NUTS now? You start off with very basic knowledge of EVE, requiring you to hire "advisers" to raise you to a level a regular experienced CSM candidate has. Now, instead of getting good advisors, you find yourself some ****ing noobs to bring even more fail beginner point of views into the CSM.
Oh and for gloating over the skill queue: It's nothing people really needed, and you didn't have to "push" anything, any other CSM candidate would vote for it. _____________________________________________
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I got exactly 68000 victory points.
According to FW-stats, that puts me on 5th place. Kills are meaningless.
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Frettren
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Posted - 2009.05.26 17:40:00 -
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Issues have to be on the forum for a minium of 7 days of discussion before the CSM is even allowed to raise it. So anything we do will have to be public, and open for discussion, which we will actively participate in.
Can I infer from the above comment that it may not be Erik, as CSM rep, commenting on issues and such raised in Assembly hall and Jita park forums? Advisors or nominated spokepersons from Take care may be performing this role?
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