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jinina
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Posted - 2009.03.28 02:30:00 -
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Are these hard to find? And can you solo it?
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Tranka Verrane
Public Venture Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.03.28 02:41:00 -
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Not hard at all, and yes I can. Whether you can is entirely a different matter.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.03.28 03:01:00 -
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Just probe one out, then you can go drop off your probe launcher and get a gun or launcher on there before you enter the wormhole to make the sleepers easier to deal with
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Kobushi
OCForums
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Posted - 2009.03.28 03:48:00 -
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Depend on quite a few things, what Wspace class you are in, what can you fly/fit. a cruiser in a class 1 will get ****d, a good BC will go class 3-4 and a BS will get obliterated in solo class 8-9 and so on and so on...need more details.
So your answer to the question as it stands is: MAYBE
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Celia Therone
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Posted - 2009.03.28 11:26:00 -
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Edited by: Celia Therone on 28/03/2009 11:27:43
I've done an easy, perimeter, radar site in a Vexor, it was non-trivial and I wouldn't recommend trying it unless you have pretty good skills (Medium Armor Repairer II, T2 omni armor tank, T2 drones, cap, etc.). Hobgoblins were pretty effective, didn't draw much fire, but kill slowly which means that you take a lot of gank. I warped out frequently, fortunately there were no warp inhibitors. The four cruiser spawn was tricky.
Cramming a codebreaker, salvager, probe launcher, remote armor repairer and drone link augmentor onto a vexor nerfs it pretty badly and it hurts a lot to part with any of those.
Wormholes are pretty easy to find. Finding a radar inside an unpopulated wormhole can be quite time consuming.
Oh, and with only one salvager expect it to take quite a while to salvage the wrecks post patch.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2009.03.28 12:56:00 -
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 Originally by: Intense Thinker
Just probe one out, then you can go drop off your probe launcher and get a gun or launcher on there before you enter the wormhole to make the sleepers easier to deal with
Bad idea!
If you are solo you do NOT want to be in W-Space without a probe launcher! People can and do get stuck out there. Happens all the time. That WH closes on you and you have no probes you are screwed. You either have to hope someone nice just happens along who will show you a way out or you have to pod yourself back to K-Space.
Never, ever go into W-Space without the ability to use probes (just you if solo or a friend who probes for you). And remember, if someone else is probing for you they should always be the first to enter and the last to leave.
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jinina
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Posted - 2009.03.28 16:28:00 -
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Edited by: jinina on 28/03/2009 16:30:37
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Originally by: Intense Thinker
Just probe one out, then you can go drop off your probe launcher and get a gun or launcher on there before you enter the wormhole to make the sleepers easier to deal with
Bad idea!
If you are solo you do NOT want to be in W-Space without a probe launcher! People can and do get stuck out there. Happens all the time. That WH closes on you and you have no probes you are screwed. You either have to hope someone nice just happens along who will show you a way out or you have to pod yourself back to K-Space.
Never, ever go into W-Space without the ability to use probes (just you if solo or a friend who probes for you). And remember, if someone else is probing for you they should always be the first to enter and the last to leave.
So a wormhole is like an "instance" in WoW? But the entrance can close on you?
Will there definately be another entrance/exit somehwere else that can be found? Or can you just get stuck without any way to get back.
I guess by someone finding you, you mean that someone else happens to enter the "new wormhole" into your instance and you can ask him in local to get you out?
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Horchan
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.28 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: jinina
So a wormhole is like an "instance" in WoW? But the entrance can close on you?
Will there definately be another entrance/exit somehwere else that can be found? Or can you just get stuck without any way to get back.
I guess by someone finding you, you mean that someone else happens to enter the "new wormhole" into your instance and you can ask him in local to get you out?
Nothing "instance-like" about it. They're just systems with dynamic entrances and exits. Anyone else has a chance of finding the same or another wormhole into the system you're currently in. There's ALWAYS at least one wormhole out of any w-space, it just might not lead to where you want to go.
Also, the Local channel in w-space is delayed, which means nobody will show up on it until they talk, so you won't know if anyone else is in there with you until they either talk or warp to you and blow you up (the latter is most probable if you're not paying attention).
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Tranka Verrane
Public Venture Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.03.28 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: jinina
I guess by someone finding you, you mean that someone else happens to enter the "new wormhole" into your instance and you can ask him in local to get you out?
Yes, but since wormhole space doesn't have updated local you won't know when that is unless someone decides to advertise their presence. And even then they are just as likely to want to see you dead as help you out.
Don't forget if you don't have the fitting requirements for a probe launcher on your ship as well as your normal fitting you can always fit one but keep it offline, only onlining it if you get stuck.
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Gartel Reiman
Civis Romanus Sum
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Posted - 2009.03.28 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: jinina
So a wormhole is like an "instance" in WoW?
No - I'm not familia with WOW but my understanding is that by "instance", the implication is that a different copy of the area is spawned for each group that goes there (and so different groups cannot interact and run into each other). This is most definitely not the case - anyone who finds the same wormhole you foudn will enter the same system as you, and can hunt you down and destroy your ship without penalty.
A W-space system is like any other system, except that the "stargates" (the wormholes) are:
i) not shown on the overview, so they must be scanned down;
ii) transient, in that they expire when time/mass constraints are exceeded; and
iii) volatile, in that the other end of the wormhole can theoretically be any other system - and when new wormholes are generated they could lead anywhere.
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But the entrance can close on you?
Oh yes, most definitely. Wormholes always expire after their hidden timer reaches zero (you can get a feel for this when you Show Info on the WH though it's not exact) - but can close before this if enough total mass of ships pass through. It's happened to me before and it was an interesting mix of frustration and adventure.
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Will there definately be another entrance/exit somehwere else that can be found? Or can you just get stuck without any way to get back.
Every W-space system will always have at least one wormhole in leading back to K-space it at all times - if the last K-space wormhole closes, a new one will always spawn. This might not always lead to where you want to go though - there's another thread on the first page of this subforum where someone had a wormhole close on them and the new one ended up deep in 0.0.
But you will always be able to get back to regular space somewhere - it's not possible to be sitting in a W-space system with no wormholes out. However, finding the wormhole-shaped needle in the haystack of cosmic signatures in a W-space system can be pretty challenging, especially with a non-bonused scanning ship...
I guess by someone finding you, you mean that someone else happens to enter the "new wormhole" into your instance and you can ask him in local to get you out?
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jinina
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Posted - 2009.03.28 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Horchan
Originally by: jinina
So a wormhole is like an "instance" in WoW? But the entrance can close on you?
Will there definately be another entrance/exit somehwere else that can be found? Or can you just get stuck without any way to get back.
I guess by someone finding you, you mean that someone else happens to enter the "new wormhole" into your instance and you can ask him in local to get you out?
Nothing "instance-like" about it. They're just systems with dynamic entrances and exits. Anyone else has a chance of finding the same or another wormhole into the system you're currently in. There's ALWAYS at least one wormhole out of any w-space, it just might not lead to where you want to go.
Also, the Local channel in w-space is delayed, which means nobody will show up on it until they talk, so you won't know if anyone else is in there with you until they either talk or warp to you and blow you up (the latter is most probable if you're not paying attention).
Can you bookmark a point in that system to find it again without using a wormhole?
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Gartel Reiman
Civis Romanus Sum
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Posted - 2009.03.28 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: jinina
Can you bookmark a point in that system to find it again without using a wormhole?
I'm not really sure what you mean by this as the "it" in your sentence is ambiguous. Yes, you can bookmark points in W-space systems, and warp to them from other points within that system. But that has nothing to do with wormholes anyway. On the other side of the coin, having a bookmark in a given system means nothing if you can't get to that system - so it won't help you return to a particular W-space system later.
Wormholes are in essence just stargates (that occasionally disappear and don't show up on the overview) - W-space systems behave exactly the same as "normal" systems in regards to bookmarks. If you're within a system, you can warp straight to the bookmark. Otherwise, you need to travel to that system first via stargates/wormholes/cyno jumps.
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Commander Vice
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Posted - 2009.03.28 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Gartel Reiman
Edited by: Gartel Reiman on 28/03/2009 17:24:51
Originally by: jinina
So a wormhole is like an "instance" in WoW?
No - I'm not familia with WOW but my understanding is that by "instance", the implication is that a different copy of the area is spawned for each group that goes there (and so different groups cannot interact and run into each other). This is most definitely not the case - anyone who finds the same wormhole you foudn will enter the same system as you, and can hunt you down and destroy your ship without penalty.
A W-space system is like any other system, except that the "stargates" (the wormholes) are:
i) not shown on the overview, so they must be scanned down;
ii) transient, in that they expire when time/mass constraints are exceeded; and
iii) volatile, in that the other end of the wormhole can theoretically be any other system - and when new wormholes are generated they could lead anywhere.
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But the entrance can close on you?
Oh yes, most definitely. Wormholes always expire after their hidden timer reaches zero (you can get a feel for this when you Show Info on the WH though it's not exact) - but can close before this if enough total mass of ships pass through. It's happened to me before and it was an interesting mix of frustration and adventure.
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Will there definately be another entrance/exit somehwere else that can be found? Or can you just get stuck without any way to get back.
Every W-space system will always have at least one wormhole in leading back to K-space it at all times - if the last K-space wormhole closes, a new one will always spawn. This might not always lead to where you want to go though - there's another thread on the first page of this subforum where someone had a wormhole close on them and the new one ended up deep in 0.0.
But you will always be able to get back to regular space somewhere - it's not possible to be sitting in a W-space system with no wormholes out. However, finding the wormhole-shaped needle in the haystack of cosmic signatures in a W-space system can be pretty challenging, especially with a non-bonused scanning ship...
not entirely true in my experience there will allways be a wh out of w space system .....not allways will that lead to k space sometimes it will lead to another w system and so on
no guarenteed exit to known space just a garenteed exit to a diffrent system that you may end up looking for a new wh to k space from
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Gartel Reiman
Civis Romanus Sum
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Posted - 2009.03.29 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Vice
Originally by: Gartel Reiman
Every W-space system will always have at least one wormhole in leading back to K-space it at all times...
not entirely true in my experience there will allways be a wh out of w space system .....not allways will that lead to k space sometimes it will lead to another w system and so on
no guarenteed exit to known space just a garenteed exit to a diffrent system that you may end up looking for a new wh to k space from
Good point - I understand that there are "layers" of W-space systems, some of which are only reachable from other W-space systems. These would obviously never get wormholes to K-space by their very definition.
However, I think that any W-space system that is reachable from K-space will always have at least one K-space wormhole. Hard to prove empirically, and I don't believe I've read a dev post that categorically states this, but this is how I understand it to work.
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Marine HK4861
Caldari
Radical Technologies
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Posted - 2009.03.29 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Gartel Reiman
Originally by: jinina
Can you bookmark a point in that system to find it again without using a wormhole?
I'm not really sure what you mean by this as the "it" in your sentence is ambiguous. Yes, you can bookmark points in W-space systems, and warp to them from other points within that system.
I think what jinina means is that you can drop a bookmark on the wormhole that you used to get into that w-space system, so you don't have to pack a probe launcher to find your way out later.
Of course the problem is that if wormhole collapses, you end up with a useless bookmark and no way out.
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Xina Tutor
Amarr
Black Arrows
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2009.03.29 11:42:00 -
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Just to reiterate... I use two accounts. My probe chick goes in first and comes out last. we tend to do in a group, and throw a probe on another ship or two...
but the dedicated probe chick is always there to actually find the wh. the others are just a backup if she gets blasted or something 
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