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Mikael Izra'il
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Posted - 2009.04.02 10:01:00 -
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Edited by: Mikael Izra''il on 02/04/2009 10:01:29
With the upcoming changes to Stealth Bombers I start to feel some synergy between minmatar ships.
Covops cloak ships tend to have little DPS and the new SB are going to be the exception (as long as the proposed changes go live) so I'm fairly sure we will be able to get some nice fleet setups for surprise attacks out of it.
One of the setups that appeals me the most is the one in my title. Rapier as a tackler (since it's a fairly survivable ship), which provides the webbing (great synergy with bombers) and the Hounds themselves wear a target painter each to simply obliterate anything cruiser size or above. Perfect for piracy and for taking down a single big ship before reinforcements arrive, and even if they do still have a fair chance to escape.
What do you think of this fleet setup? do you have any other fleets in mind in which the new Stealth Bombers fit?
PS: For those who haven't read the last word on Stealth Bombers, they're getting covops cloak and a bunch of good stuff, check game developement =)
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kyrv
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Posted - 2009.04.02 10:39:00 -
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Rapiers do have that target painting bonus but I dont believe in the imbalence it could never be redesigned.. could it?
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Mikael Izra'il
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Posted - 2009.04.02 10:41:00 -
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 Originally by: kyrv
Rapiers do have that target painting bonus but I dont believe in the imbalence it could never be redesigned.. could it?
I know, but I rather have only webs in the rapier and keep the TP for the hounds themselves. No need to overdo it, the rapier needs some tank and tackle =)
Altough the utility mid could be occupied by a TP, sure (the fitting I have in mind had a sensor booster there)
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.02 10:59:00 -
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Could work well actually.
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Adaera
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Posted - 2009.04.02 11:23:00 -
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Well it's worth mentioning on the test server I was getting horribly high damage with my Manticore on target painted + webbed cruisers, so it's very probable this could work well.
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fkingfurious
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Posted - 2009.04.02 11:23:00 -
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Edited by: fkingfurious on 02/04/2009 11:24:16
The Bomber changes will give Recon gangs a massive boost.
Currently the cloaky ships are limited on DPS and need to maintain at least some range in order to stay in one piece, which directly affects their damage output.
With the new bombers the Recons would be able to concentrate entirely on maximising their EWAR. Arazus locking ships down and damping them to hell, Rapiers painting and webbing (no need to fit points, the arazus have them) Falcons doing their thing and even the odd Pilgrim in close under the cover of mass EWAR to screw tanks over, or even just hanging back adding drone DPS and Tracking Disrupters.
And in amongst them all Stealth Bombers dishing out 5-600 DPS (even against cruisers with a few Rapier TP's) and doing it at 30-40KM's.
The potential for a new breed of sneaky gang is absolutely massive.
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Mikael Izra'il
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Posted - 2009.04.02 11:42:00 -
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Edited by: Mikael Izra''il on 02/04/2009 11:43:30
Originally by: fkingfurious
Edited by: fkingfurious on 02/04/2009 11:24:16
The Bomber changes will give Recon gangs a massive boost.
Currently the cloaky ships are limited on DPS and need to maintain at least some range in order to stay in one piece, which directly affects their damage output.
With the new bombers the Recons would be able to concentrate entirely on maximising their EWAR. Arazus locking ships down and damping them to hell, Rapiers painting and webbing (no need to fit points, the arazus have them) Falcons doing their thing and even the odd Pilgrim in close under the cover of mass EWAR to screw tanks over, or even just hanging back adding drone DPS and Tracking Disrupters.
And in amongst them all Stealth Bombers dishing out 5-600 DPS (even against cruisers with a few Rapier TP's) and doing it at 30-40KM's.
The potential for a new breed of sneaky gang is absolutely massive.
I share your point of view.
The configurations I'd like to try are endless. I wanted to keep it simple though and get a basic "glass cannon" configuration, altough adding arazus sounds like a good deal.
An improved version of my fleet could be:
1x Arazu, 2xRapier, 2xNemesis 3xHound (the races are just to keep it simmetric ^^)
The rapiers keep everyone frozen while focusing TPs on primary (which is being tackled by the arazu) and the 5 bombers (with their respective TPs) unleash hell. Every ship can stay at 30-40km, or even more, when doing this (completely safe). You have a great amount of warriors II to deal with the tacklers too so this gang is virtually unstoppable.
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demonfurbie
Minmatar
Covert-Nexus
Dark Cadre
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Posted - 2009.04.02 16:08:00 -
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what about adding a pilgrim in the mix with tracking dis. and some drone love
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
Scrutari
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Posted - 2009.04.02 16:29:00 -
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I think that we might see a return of scan res dampening, to cover the stealth bombers during their 30 second reactivation delay on the cloaks :O
Decloak, spread damps, fire off 2-3 volleys, cloak, repeat....
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EFT Warrior
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Posted - 2009.04.02 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri
I think that we might see a return of scan res dampening, to cover the stealth bombers during their 30 second reactivation delay on the cloaks :O
Decloak, spread damps, fire off 2-3 volleys, cloak, repeat....
You can recloak after 5 seconds, there is no 30 second timer.
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Fzhal
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.04.02 16:53:00 -
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There will be a 30 second timer on it. Devs have said that.
At first I thought this was going to be a WHINE thread. Good on you for supporting this. I think it will help both Stealth Bombers and Covert Ops groups in general!
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Grista
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Posted - 2009.04.02 19:23:00 -
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1 Rapier + 2x anything has always been the death squad. It still is even after the web nerf.
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Shinnen
Caldari
Northern Intelligence
PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.04.02 21:54:00 -
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I can't wait for this. Mainly because I've spent a bit of money buying a load of manticores in lonetrek... come on price hike !  
Linkage
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mofokitkat
Gallente
The Ginger Stepkids
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Posted - 2009.04.02 22:02:00 -
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certainly sounds interesting. about time the SB's got some love.
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Lady Valory
Caldari
Caldari Strike Force
PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.04.02 22:49:00 -
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linky or i write this down as a aprils fool joke--linky to the SB buff that is
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yrknat
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Posted - 2009.04.03 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Valory
linky or i write this down as a aprils fool joke--linky to the SB buff that is
It's a sticky in the game dev forum. If it's april fools well then CCP can't read a calender, since it was posted in March.
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Nerogk Shorn
Caldari
Royal Hiigaran Navy
SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.04.03 03:06:00 -
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Yeah tbh Arazu might be better or your dps will die in 10 seconds 
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Missy krunk
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Posted - 2009.04.03 04:33:00 -
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Don't forget that black ops boats are going to be able to use cov ops cloaks too. You could have a Widow jumping you around and jamming everything while it does it. Lot of possibilities, going to be interesting to see how it plays out when this goes live.
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