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TheG2
Gallente Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2009.04.02 18:57:00 -
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Time Warner is planning on moving to a 5gb limit on bandwidth monthly on their lowest plan, and 40gb at the most. This threatens not only online videos and music streaming but video games as well. Voice your opinion against these changes and help spread the word.
We have a grassroots website up for now at http://stoptwc.info.
If this passes, it could have implications for the future of the Internets.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles Zzz
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Posted - 2009.04.02 19:00:00 -
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I think you're being unduly worried. EVE uses a tiny amount of bandwidth compared to audio/video streaming, and the vast majority of it is from bulk data retrieved during login. --- 20:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule |
Jana Clant
New Dawn Tribe New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.04.02 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro I think you're being unduly worried. EVE uses a tiny amount of bandwidth compared to audio/video streaming, and the vast majority of it is from bulk data retrieved during login.
Still, with a 5GB monthly limit, you can say goodbye to Youtube.
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The Cuckoo
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Posted - 2009.04.02 19:03:00 -
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Any bandwidth limit sucks, Eve may use a tiny amount of bandwidth, but think of all those dirty videos you download!
I remember when we had to fight for fixed rate fees for the internet. We're now seeing more and more companies edging back to the old system of paying for the amount of time you use, or the amount of info you download. It's a huge step backwards.
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Dark Soldat
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.02 19:06:00 -
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haha My country is too primitive to have this, we just pay for the speed monthly
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Mutnin
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Posted - 2009.04.02 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro I think you're being unduly worried. EVE uses a tiny amount of bandwidth compared to audio/video streaming, and the vast majority of it is from bulk data retrieved during login.
Not when you have to keep downloading patching 5 or 6 times because it's always corrupted, thanks to the lovely EVE installer. I think I D/Led the patch and the full game about 9 times, before I finally got a successful install. I know I wasn't the only one either.
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NoNah
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Posted - 2009.04.02 19:11:00 -
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Ironic. We rarely have bandwidth limits, but we can't really do anything with it since our every move can and will be monitored one way or another. We have more abbreviations regulating how we can use and how we can be surveiled on the internet than you can download in a month.
We're running on a national tinfoil shortage. Parrots, commence!
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Benco97
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.02 19:15:00 -
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My connection is 100% uncapped but if it did have any sort of cap I could never hope to reach it, I get a max of about 70-90kb/s downloads on a good day.
Which would you rather have, downloads that can be measured in DAYS remaining or limited high speed downloads? I know whhich i'd choose.
Originally by: P'uck
You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.02 19:25:00 -
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The dark ages called, they want their bandwidth limits back.
Luckily we havent seen them in many years here. Our belgium neighbours however pay twice as much for internet and additionally they get very low caps ---------------------------------------------
Originally by: Neth'Rae Military experts are calling this a troll.
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Koragoni SkyKnight
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Posted - 2009.04.02 19:34:00 -
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I think you need to examine your facts before you jump on this fail train..
The engineers at Time Warner aren't choosing 5gb per month as an arbitrary number...
Case and point:
I am an IT consultant. I do networks for a living. I keep track of all of my bandwidth used as a matter of curiosity and to ensure that my networks remain free of malware. I just got the report for the month of March for my home network.
Data transferred4.606 GBytes Outbound 339.183 MBytes 7.21% Inbound 4.267 GBytes 92.79%
Would you look at that, I used 4.6gb of a theoretical 5gb cap. What did I do in the month of March to get those numbers? I ran a Synergy (Half-Life 2 mod) server that supports 10 players. I downloaded windows updates for aproximately 100 computers that came to my home office for repair. I downloaded 5 OS installation DVD's. I played the crap out of EVE, TF2, Synergy, Supreme Commander, and other titles. I also spent a fair bit of time on YouTube, uploading videos, and watching videos.
What I didn't do? Download illegal music, or movies.
In short, if you aren't violating the law or the rights of others the 5gb limit is MORE than enough for a residential class connection. If you want to download more, you need to pay more. The simple reality check that everyone needs to keep in mind. While you shell our your $50-60 per month for high speed internet that you want to be "unlimited" the ISP is paying per GB of bandwidth that is ultimately used. When you pair that with the fact that the Internet to a large degree is built out of the old telco network, which was historically supported by long distance calling fees, you get a nice little problem.
Reality check people, as phones move VoIP, and as we all pick up more cells. The telco network that forms the platform of the internet is going down the tubes because the phone rates are no longer being paid. The result? Increased costs from the base providers to the ISPs. That is going to impact your connections. So the ISP's do one of two things, place a cap on your connection, or increase the price. Be grateful they have given you BOTH options.
Contrary to popular belief, most businesses are actually trying to service their customers as best they can. Oh, and I forgot, I downloaded the massive Apoc patch... not once, but 6 times while I did testing on Singularity prior to the release.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles Zzz
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Posted - 2009.04.02 19:39:00 -
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I have to admit, I wasn't thinking of the enormous patches we've been seeing lately, but those only seem to come once or twice a year at most. --- 20:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule |
Primnproper
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Posted - 2009.04.02 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Koragoni SkyKnight Oh, and I forgot, I downloaded the massive Apoc patch... not once, but 6 times while I did testing on Singularity prior to the release.
Impressive considering the massive sisi patch was arround 2gb a time. ...
Originally by: Graveyard Tan I call bull**** and troll. If you are deaf, how are you even able to read this or type replies?
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Sebastien Chevalier
Gallente The Trendy Squid Trading Corporation
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Posted - 2009.04.02 19:53:00 -
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Koragoni, you downloaded 5 DVDs plus the Apoc patch on more than one occasion - not to mention all that other stuff - in less then 5GB? How, exactly?
I agree with the general point of your post, however, although I don't think I'd have been quite as obnoxious about it as you were.
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Akor Flandres
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Posted - 2009.04.02 19:56:00 -
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Bandwidth caps are nothing new, welcome to the 21st century.
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Akor Flandres
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Posted - 2009.04.02 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Mutnin
Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro I think you're being unduly worried. EVE uses a tiny amount of bandwidth compared to audio/video streaming, and the vast majority of it is from bulk data retrieved during login.
Not when you have to keep downloading patching 5 or 6 times because it's always corrupted, thanks to the lovely EVE installer. I think I D/Led the patch and the full game about 9 times, before I finally got a successful install. I know I wasn't the only one either.
JUST DOWNLOAD THE OFFLINE PATCHER, I.E. THE .EXE FILE, VIOLA.
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Etien Aldragoran
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.02 19:59:00 -
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And you're not finding a new ISP why?
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Martain Kerk
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.04.02 20:02:00 -
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They must be getting a lot of email on this. They have an auto responder that basically tells you if you don't like it take your business elsewhere.
I was waiting for some "IT Pro" to come out with the "only pirates use that much" argument. I stream a Netflix movie at least every other night (legal), buy a couple of games from Steam each month (legal), buy music for iTunes, Amazon, etc. (legal), VNC into work servers from home 4 days out of the week (legal). And that is just the regular stuff and doesn't count the occasional patch. I would probably hit the 40GB limit within the first week of each month.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.04.02 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Koragoni SkyKnight Would you look at that, I used 4.6gb of a theoretical 5gb cap[...]I downloaded 5 OS installation DVD's[...]In short, if you aren't violating the law or the rights of others the 5gb limit is MORE than enough for a residential class connection. If you want to download more, you need to pay more. The simple reality check that everyone needs to keep in mind. While you shell our your $50-60 per month for high speed internet that you want to be "unlimited" the ISP is paying per GB of bandwidth that is ultimately used. When you pair that with the fact that the Internet to a large degree is built out of the old telco network, which was historically supported by long distance calling fees, you get a nice little problem.
Since when are intallation DVDs far below 1 GB each ?
Anyway, how's 512 KB/sec max with just about anywhere, 2 MB/sec max with peered IPs (German Internet Exchange) and up to 30 MB/sec max in the local city network sound ? On top of a non-mobile phone line with very reasonable rates and thousands of minutes inside the network each month ? And all of that for 7 euro a month ? And the ISP is raking in shedloads on profits ? If I DON'T do ANYTHING illegal, I might use up half a GB per day. If I start downloading stuff, 20 GB per day is not uncommon.
Face it, USA ISPs suck donkey balls, and if for nothing else, then because of shoddy infrastructure investments.
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moola
Band Of Frogs
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Posted - 2009.04.02 20:07:00 -
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No more Steam bought games for them.
Inward investment instead of milking = no bandwidth limit
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FreddyMac
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Posted - 2009.04.02 20:07:00 -
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The beauty of it tho, is that because America is a free market, some ISP will realize that if they offer unlimited bandwidth, they can stealz all the other limited bandwidth isp customers. Which would hopefully force the other ISP's to use unlimited bandwidth in order to compete. Market pvp is awesome. Thats what Im hoping anyways.
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Maverick 52
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.04.02 20:12:00 -
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I'm already playing under a 5GB cap.
In my area there is no DSL available, no cable available, only Satellite and dial-up. I used to play on dial-up but it's horrible and I couldn't stand it. I kept looking for alternatives. What I found (with the help of G2, hey buddy) was that it was possible to tether a smartphone to your PC and use the cell companies 3G network for internet access. Pretty much every major company puts a 5GB cap on their tethering package.
With Verizon and my Blackberry Storm I get around 60-90 kb/s on downloads (sometimes more, sometimes less) so I can easily go over the 5GB mark, but honestly it's easy not to also.
Most my online activities include: Eve, youtube, about 4 forums I read consistently, a web comic that releases new comics 3 times a week, and general browsing. The closest I ever came to my 5GB limit was when downloading the full client for Apoc, which was 2GB itself. This is only the data I use while tethered, I use about 2GB of data through my phone directly however. Most of which comes from boredom while out and about so I'll browse the web, watch youtube, or stream internet radio.
A 5GB cap shouldn't effect your average users, it will effect the people who are downloading lots of music, video, torrents, and ect. They can be legal or illegal, it doesn't matter really, both ways they will be effected the same way. If you need more than 5GB, you should find a ISP that doesn't cap, pay for more usage, or just adapt.
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Kiviar
Caldari Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.04.02 20:14:00 -
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Edited by: Kiviar on 02/04/2009 20:16:00
Originally by: Koragoni SkyKnight
What I didn't do? Download illegal music, or movies.
In short, if you aren't violating the law or the rights of others the 5gb limit is MORE than enough for a residential class connection.
Yes, clearly because there is no way to download movies, music, or games, legally on the internet.
Also, if you are really paying $50 a month for around 5g a month you are getting royally screwed. Up here in the snowy north you should be getting at least 2-300g for that kind of money.
Not to mention some places where you can get a better download cap on your cellphone for less. ---
Certified elite hull tanker.
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2009.04.02 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Koragoni SkyKnight
Data transferred 4.606 GBytes Outbound 339.183 MBytes 7.21% Inbound 4.267 GBytes 92.79%
(snip)
Contrary to popular belief, most businesses are actually trying to service their customers as best they can. Oh, and I forgot, I downloaded the massive Apoc patch... not once, but 6 times while I did testing on Singularity prior to the release.
You are not only a bad IT consultant (as most of them, btw), but also a liar. And a bad one too, as your statements are contradictory. Bad seems to be the pattern here, did you notice?
Additionally I couldn't be less interested in your opinion about what I should download or not, or what you think it is "illegal" or not, even because illegal highly depends on where you are. And I certainy don't want anyone telling to me how much I can use a service for which I pay monthly fees using it or not, or for what I should use the said service. =====
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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2009.04.02 20:17:00 -
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Moved to Out of Pod Experience.
(btw, I'm a Road Runner user myself. NYC will revolt with me in the lead if this happens :))
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Helena Zeugir
Gallente FW Scuad Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.02 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Koragoni SkyKnight I think you need to examine your facts before you jump on this fail train..
The engineers at Time Warner aren't choosing 5gb per month as an arbitrary number...
Case and point:
I am an IT consultant. I do networks for a living. I keep track of all of my bandwidth used as a matter of curiosity and to ensure that my networks remain free of malware. I just got the report for the month of March for my home network.
Data transferred4.606 GBytes Outbound 339.183 MBytes 7.21% Inbound 4.267 GBytes 92.79%
Would you look at that, I used 4.6gb of a theoretical 5gb cap. What did I do in the month of March to get those numbers? I ran a Synergy (Half-Life 2 mod) server that supports 10 players. I downloaded windows updates for aproximately 100 computers that came to my home office for repair. I downloaded 5 OS installation DVD's. I played the crap out of EVE, TF2, Synergy, Supreme Commander, and other titles. I also spent a fair bit of time on YouTube, uploading videos, and watching videos.
What I didn't do? Download illegal music, or movies.
In short, if you aren't violating the law or the rights of others the 5gb limit is MORE than enough for a residential class connection. If you want to download more, you need to pay more. The simple reality check that everyone needs to keep in mind. While you shell our your $50-60 per month for high speed internet that you want to be "unlimited" the ISP is paying per GB of bandwidth that is ultimately used. When you pair that with the fact that the Internet to a large degree is built out of the old telco network, which was historically supported by long distance calling fees, you get a nice little problem.
Reality check people, as phones move VoIP, and as we all pick up more cells. The telco network that forms the platform of the internet is going down the tubes because the phone rates are no longer being paid. The result? Increased costs from the base providers to the ISPs. That is going to impact your connections. So the ISP's do one of two things, place a cap on your connection, or increase the price. Be grateful they have given you BOTH options.
Contrary to popular belief, most businesses are actually trying to service their customers as best they can. Oh, and I forgot, I downloaded the massive Apoc patch... not once, but 6 times while I did testing on Singularity prior to the release.
And then, when you buy ONE Steam game, you're capped and f'cked out of internet for the rest of the month. Oh, and guess what? You can still buy music legally over the net.
Forget about HD videos off of youtube or any other site. Any regular 3:00 min video will "weigh" anything from 120mb to 270mb. Watch a few of these daily, and you're also f'cked out of internet for the rest of the month.
And that's only saying something for ONE user in a household. In my case? we have 4 computers plugged in to the same connection sharing. We all watch videos and game. Heck, just last night I downloaded a fan made (meaning, legal) video at 697mb. Bam, almost blew 1gb out of my 1.3gb (if we divide by 4, per each user).
In this day and age, any limits, if you DO propose one, shouldn't be lower than 25gb. I'd say 40gb just to be safe.
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OffBeaT
Caldari LEGI0N Soul Cartel
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Posted - 2009.04.02 20:25:00 -
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i get a 10mb/s connection with a 150gb monthly limit.. they dont enforce it much.. i can upload on the speed test sites at 800kb/s caped.
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Maverick 52
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.04.02 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: FreddyMac The beauty of it tho, is that because America is a free market, some ISP will realize that if they offer unlimited bandwidth, they can stealz all the other limited bandwidth isp customers. Which would hopefully force the other ISP's to use unlimited bandwidth in order to compete. Market pvp is awesome. Thats what Im hoping anyways.
The problem with that is it's not as free as you think. An example is that Charter is the only cable company allowed to provide in Wisconsin.
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FlyinS
Caldari Planetary Industry and Trade Organization
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Posted - 2009.04.02 20:29:00 -
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Edited by: FlyinS on 02/04/2009 20:33:26
Originally by: Koragoni SkyKnight
The simple reality check that everyone needs to keep in mind. While you shell our your $50-60 per month for high speed internet that you want to be "unlimited" the ISP is paying per GB of bandwidth that is ultimately used.
I'm a (one of many here) Network Engineer from a company in Milwaukee where Time Warner is a large player. I used to use their services at my home but made the move to AT&T recently. From working with TW at home as well as at my office I must disagree with you on this point.
Originally by: Koragoni SkyKnight
When you pair that with the fact that the Internet to a large degree is built out of the old telco network, which was historically supported by long distance calling fees, you get a nice little problem.
While this used to be the case TW over the past few years has gone away from using the old Telco lines in most of their major markets. Time Warner is also largely unaffected by the long distance rates as they have been putting in their own infrastructure rather than leasing from Telcos. It's just not the justification for the cost anymore.
EDIT: Talking down to people doesn't make your point any more valid.
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Jinx Barker
Caldari GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2009.04.02 20:35:00 -
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Switch to Verizon FIOS, if you can... 150 MB/Sec Plan is sweet especially if you do not use their TV service, and hack the p.os. router into a bridge.
Yea, frakin American companies are now going the European way of capping the bandwidth, suck, tremendously sucks.
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Drunk Driver
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.04.02 20:36:00 -
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I miss the old internet.
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