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Auryanna
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.04.03 04:36:00 -
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\o/ love comcasts 250gb limit and if u go over it u dont get charged, just a letter stating u went over and to "monitor" your usage
had the letter 2 months ago lol (i do alot of netflix online movie watching and EVE)
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xena zena
Comparative Advantage
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Posted - 2009.04.03 04:49:00 -
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Originally by: Auryanna \o/ love comcasts 250gb limit and if u go over it u dont get charged, just a letter stating u went over and to "monitor" your usage
had the letter 2 months ago lol (i do alot of netflix online movie watching and EVE)
Don't expect Comcast to keep being so generous if TWC gets away with this crazy bandwidth! They'll want a piece of that pie too and your cap will suddenly go down to 5gb to be "competitive" with Comcast.
Personally I don't see these caps lasting long in the US market. I fully exepect the government to step in. Obama is wanting to expand broadband coverage, to make it easier and faster. More services then ever is comming over broadband. Cable companies do NOT want you to use Netflix to get your tv shows/movies, so this is their way to stop it. Phone companies do NOT want you to use skype and their kind, so caps are a way to stop it.
I fully expect all the major media companies on the internet, Google included, to sue the living ape crap out of TWC if they go forward with this crazy plan. It effectively means TWC will be making MONEY off of their IP by leveraging a tax on the bandwidth. TWC is already hemoriging cash, I don't expect them to be able to withstand a combined lawsuit of all the major internet IP providers for forcing their customers to not use their service on threat of higher bills.
Attempts like this is just cable companies, and soon phone companies last dieing attempts to hold onto their part of the pie. Traditional media delivery business models are not going to last long.
If Cable and Phone companies can't provide broadband, I fully expect the government to step in.
The consumer will win, bandwidth will be free.
But expect a "dark ages" period when the traditional providers go belly up. :P
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evilives34
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.03 04:51:00 -
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yeah, but i love how comcast first start that they were "NO we're doing no such thing", then they got busted and blamed internet pirates(the torrents)for the reason for capping the limit, also you don't get a second warning they just close your account and blacklist you ___________
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Aniel Zaar
Gallente Light of Orion
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Posted - 2009.04.03 05:25:00 -
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Move to another country. Only in US the ISPs are greedy as ^**%^@%. *-*^-^*-*^-^*-*^-^*-*^-^*-*^-^*-*^-^*-*^-^*-*^-^*-*^-^*-*^-^ By the way, I am an Ishtar and T2 sentries fan. Fight to make the sentry damage rig work for all drones. |
Agent Known
Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.04.03 05:30:00 -
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Why would you be worried about EVE using a lot of bandwidth? Considering it's made to run on dial-up, you can expect to use <2KB/s sustained, and even less docked since you're only streaming the chat channels.
But yeah, I'm happy with my uncapped bandwidth limits...
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xena zena
Comparative Advantage
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Posted - 2009.04.03 05:32:00 -
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Originally by: Aniel Zaar Move to another country. Only in US the ISPs are greedy as ^**%^@%.
lol, that's total bs. Theres asscraptic tons of other countries that are far more greedy, like say paying for local telephone calls? Or just flat fees per meg you download? Historically the US has been the least cap-free of all internet providers. These internet providers are changing to these plans because a fairly significant portion of their users are canceling their cable TV plans to JUST have internet and getting their TV over the internet with like hulu or illegally or netflix or whatever. They don't want to loose $100/mo accounts where people have premium TV service and internet to just a $30/mo internet plan and letting other companies make money off of their bandwidth.
It's just greed combined with a failing business model and a failing economy. It won't work.
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xena zena
Comparative Advantage
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Posted - 2009.04.03 05:32:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Known Why would you be worried about EVE using a lot of bandwidth? Considering it's made to run on dial-up, you can expect to use <2KB/s sustained, and even less docked since you're only streaming the chat channels.
But yeah, I'm happy with my uncapped bandwidth limits...
I think he's more concerned about voice chat (which isn't dialup safe) and updates/expansions which are fairly big.
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Chssmius
Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.04.03 06:02:00 -
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Originally by: Mulura
Quote: Actually, US broadband sucks because almost every other government in the world has subsidized the rapid development of national broadband infrastructure as a matter of national security. US broadband infrastructure is owned by privately held companies and must be leased from competitors if they do not own the backbone. This is probably the case due to a backlash from the breakup of the AT&T monopoly in the 80's and 90's and a fear of creating another "Ma Bell." The excuse in the last decade has been, among other things, war. Additionally, until recently(the last year or two) very few customers have been inconvenienced because of the "sub-par" broadband infrastructure. In large part this is due to the fairly slow adoption of broadband. However, this is somewhat caused by by cost and availability as roll outs are somewhat slow and prices slow to settle.
Wait... thats the UK. BT owns pretty much of the back bone (from what i know) and leases the usage out to other companies. The government here has only tried to get a computer and broadband into most homes (to which it has failed). Further more, the only reason BT is upgrading it's network is because of Virgin offering much better speeds. The government has only hinted at holding investigations into whether or not Britain really needs a national upgrade (one department has said we do need, thats it). The only real difference is that America Is larger. Either that or theres some "different" about American companies / people than to the europeans..
I may have stated a little too broadly when I said, "almost every other government in the world." I should have actually put the rankings up. Here are the 2008 rankings, the US edges out Germany for penetration but at slower and most costly speeds. In general, the many countries make investments into broadband as infrastructure as I had said before.
Something not shown here is that some countries, Kenya for example, don't have much in the way of wired broadband. However, Kenya has fairly extensive wireless services which largely trump those in the US. As I understand it, wireless is the preferred method for at least some developing countries.
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2009.04.03 06:04:00 -
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I'm on dial up :(
I feel your pain though, no competition where I live makes dsl cost 60 dollars a month :(.
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Elain Reverse
Caldari Shokei
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Posted - 2009.04.03 06:34:00 -
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Edited by: Elain Reverse on 03/04/2009 06:36:03 I wish them pretty nice sink in current economy. Here in europe everyone is lowering prices for internet connection and removing caps. Me personally paying internet for 5 PCs, paying for 5 external IPs and it cost me 140$ for last 3 years and getting lowered price next month by ~40%. I have specificaly mentioned in contract no bandwith cap no FUP and no extra charges so if my provider try something like this, i will consider it breach of contract and potentially sue them. My average bandwith is about 15GB per month for just browsing and 80+GB if i dont download any music movies or watch/listen internet TV and radio.
Even connection thru mobile with GPRS/EDGE,CDMA is cheaper with higher caps if anny.
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VicturusTeSaluto
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2009.04.03 06:59:00 -
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Originally by: HankMurphy
Originally by: Nova Fox blah... my computer with no downloads eats about 4gbs a day checking for updates. so about in a month thats 120 gbs of idiling.
lol fail
thread is fail. don't like your isp? write a letter to the newspaper, cancel your services. No one said you have a right to unlimited internet access via time warner.
dont like what they are selling you? stop buying it. This is nothing new for any major isp.
Hmmm? Not everyone is fortunate enough to live in an area where more than one isp is available.
All I can get here is ****ty cable. No DSL, no fios, nothing else. It's awful. If they went even further and decided to cap my bandwidth I'd be completely screwed.
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Sral TBear
Mark Of Chaos
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Posted - 2009.04.03 07:05:00 -
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Glad i live in Denmark...rumors are that we are moving 3 or 4 spots up that list this year.....
sad to se the yankers in the situation we had here 6-8 years ago.....
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HankMurphy
Minmatar Pelennor Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.04.03 07:49:00 -
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Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto
Hmmm? Not everyone is fortunate enough to live in an area where more than one isp is available.
All I can get here is ****ty cable. No DSL, no fios, nothing else. It's awful. If they went even further and decided to cap my bandwidth I'd be completely screwed.
not everyone is fortunate enough to live in an area where more than on BROADBAND isp is available.
if you have access to a telephone line, you have options (though they may not be the greatest one)
the point i was driving at was not that everyone has better options available, it's that if a company that YOU PAY for services starts changing that agreement and you aren't happy with it, your ONLY recourse is direct communication with the company and ultimately refusing to pay for something you aren't happy with.
basically (and not directed at you in particular) people shouldn't cry, they should do something about it and when all else fails, let your money (or lack of) do the talking for you ---------- Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherf***er. |
Neamus
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Posted - 2009.04.03 10:20:00 -
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That really sucks donkey balls. If I were somehow representative of the American broadband consumer and if I was able, I'd be moving across to the competition in droves.
Under that scenario its difficult to justify broadband at all, you may as well restrict yourself by cutting your line from 8mb down to 512k, in fact that would probably be the cheaper option...
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles Zzz
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Posted - 2009.04.03 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Glyn Davish How are things like Hulu and Netflix idiotic? They're convenient and generally cheaper than the alternatives. Why pay a massive cable TV bill, when you can just watch what you want on the internet?
Any scheme which involves downloading data and immediately deleting it is idiotic.
I was wondering about that - thanks for posting the clarification. BBC's iplayer has a slightly different policy - iirc it requires you to delete content after 30 days. Reasonable compromise? --- 20:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule |
Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2009.04.03 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro I was wondering about that - thanks for posting the clarification. BBC's iplayer has a slightly different policy - iirc it requires you to delete content after 30 days. Reasonable compromise?
Seems odd to download something you would ever delete. But, at least that way it gets rid of re-downloading it to watch it again 2 days later, so definitely a step up. -
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Dred 'Morte
New European Regiment Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.03 12:03:00 -
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Someone in this thread has mentioned that european governments have subsidized internet growth in their currents. That is, for most countries, a complete lie.
Here in Portugal there have been virtually no subsidies whatsoever regarding internet. It is however, one of the least regulated markets of our country. Because of that, the growth has been phenomenal. Initially, internet access was limited, traffic was expansive, etc. But as years have passed, more and more ISP have showed, competition gotten more fierce and the quality of the service has just kept going up.
Portugal has a population of 10million. There are many ISP though (Netcabo, Cabovisao, Clix, Sapo, and more). Until recently I had 40GB of monthly traffic plus 8 hours a day of HappyHours (free traffic). Now I have unlimited traffic. Maximum speed is 20Mb/s.
Asking your government for subsidies or regulation won't help you, not one bit. Asking them to get the **** out of the market and let entrepeuners do what they like to do, that will help.
Internet access growth has been somewhat like the first decades of railroad growth in the USA... until they were regulated.
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Boydsan DeZinj
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Posted - 2009.04.03 12:29:00 -
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Edited by: Boydsan DeZinj on 03/04/2009 12:29:39 I plan on staying with TWC till the last minute. Why? I want to dispute every charge and talk to every supv I can. I barely watch TV as it is (damn EVE) and since BSG is over ... I might as well lower my Cable bil and tell them this is my plan to prepare for higher internet costs. I am currently using TWC for my phone system - looks like that needs to be eliminated.
I talked to a few Supv and billing reps so far. The overall impression that I have gotten is that no one has "firm" idea of charges and prices other than initial plans will be 1 GB, 2GB, 4GB, 8GB, 10GB, 20GB, 40GB, and maybe a 100GB plan. And more than likely anytime you go over it iwll be a $1 thru $5 fee per GB. So... worse case scenario I get charged $5 for a GB and EVE has a 15 GB patch.... worahh the EVE patch might potentially cost me $75 USD. WORSE CASE SCENARIO. or maybe this is middle of the road... who knows.
Who knows I may need to ask CCP to limit their patches to under 5GB a month and to be more efficient programmers too?
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Draumey
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Posted - 2009.04.03 14:14:00 -
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Wow, it's been like this in Iceland since we got DSL years ago. It's not that bad, with normal browsing I don't really go above 20 GB usage a month, barely managed to touch my 40 GB limit last month. It's pathetic but generally accepted here in Iceland because people really think that this is normal.
One bad day with 10 hours of wow would not go up to 1 GB, so don't worry that it's not enough. Those who are breaking the limit are usually heavy file sharers.
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Elain Reverse
Caldari Shokei
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Posted - 2009.04.03 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Draumey Wow, it's been like this in Iceland since we got DSL years ago. It's not that bad, with normal browsing I don't really go above 20 GB usage a month, barely managed to touch my 40 GB limit last month. It's pathetic but generally accepted here in Iceland because people really think that this is normal.
One bad day with 10 hours of wow would not go up to 1 GB, so don't worry that it's not enough. Those who are breaking the limit are usually heavy file sharers.
And how about thousands of ppl being woke up during night to make sure that next day morning you can still use your credit card when shopping. You would be surprised how much trafic is generated by tech guys solving server issues over remote connections, 10GB over night is not that hard. And there are many others that use internet for something else then just download movies or browsing web (even manage to make 4GB data during one day just going thru documents on google when trying find solution on some issue).
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ratamnimb
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Posted - 2009.04.04 00:26:00 -
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*COUGH* New World Order *COUGH*
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AlleyKat
Gallente Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2009.04.04 11:33:00 -
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I pay ú22/$35/Ç24 for the above, fully uncapped, zero choking, zero download limitation and typically can download from eve files @ 2.35 mb/s with a download manager.
The direction some companies are going with regards to capping and choking boggles the mind as I am a fervent believer that you should get what you pay for.
Whatever, regardless, no questions or conditions, end of story, finito.
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Atomos Darksun
Damage Incorporated.
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Posted - 2009.04.04 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Bodrul lol, US broadband must suck atleast we have competition, 8mb and Unlimited usage. :P
how come you guys are behind europe when it comes to broadband?
Mainland Europe, at least. The UK has it much worse than the US when it comes to internet providers.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.04.05 08:08:00 -
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Originally by: AlleyKat download from eve files @ 2.35 mb/s with a download manager.
Dear sir, I hate you
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.04.05 08:09:00 -
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Originally by: Atomos Darksun Mainland Europe, at least. The UK has it much worse than the US when it comes to internet providers.
Because the force of Communism or Oligarchy is strong in them.
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AlleyKat
Gallente Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2009.04.05 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Super Whopper Dear sir, I hate you
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Bodrul
Caldari Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2009.04.05 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Atomos Darksun
Mainland Europe, at least. The UK has it much worse than the US when it comes to internet providers.
inlighten me :P we have a wide range of providers, most give Unlimited download for ú7.50 (about $12-$13)
not bad
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Esme Westenn
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Posted - 2009.04.05 22:24:00 -
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I'd hope that wouldn't happen. To be honest cable internet is nice, but I'd just as rather much take DSL. If my family hadn't bundled the phone and satellite all ready I'd let them be aware of this and to keep an eye on things.
I have to agree with many when I say this business plan really seems improbable. Charging people more in a recession typically gets you less. Ask the diners now. :/ Never understood why company's do that.
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Da Death
Minmatar Relentless Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.04.06 01:21:00 -
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ahh it feels so good NOT to live in the USA. In Thailand its just opposite:
My broadband started with 256k/s a few years back and its now at 3MB/s and next month it will be 6MB/s -all that for the same price of 599 Baht! (approx 20US$)
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Taedrin
Gallente Nabaal Engineering of Haarsuk
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Posted - 2009.04.06 01:32:00 -
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The cost of bandwidth in the US is actually at just about $1 per GB, unless you rent a dedicated line, in which case it's about $.14 per GB. But that presumes that you manage to use a T1 line at it's theoretical capacity for an entire month. Of course location matters, as it costs a whole lot more to deliver bandwidth outside of city limits and if new cable needs to be bought/installed.
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