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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.04.04 00:43:00 -
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Soooo, I was sitting there looking at my ozzum new cloaking Loki with it's web range bonus and I took it out for a spin with some 425mm II ACs fit. The range was so bad, even with Barrage, that I docked back up and started fitting arties to it...
But then I started thinking about the artillery DPS, and the fact that I had to nerf my setup to stick some 720mms on there, and by the time I was finished I just decided to slap some Heavy Pulse IIs on there, drop some Scorch M in the guns and call it good.
Despite having ZERO bonuses for the lasers, the HP2s outperform both the ACs and Artillery at ranges between 5-25km. This is the sweetspot as the Loki has a 19km web range with a standard web, and if I use a Gallente web, quite a bit more than that.
While it's not cap stable running the guns I have the 4th mid fit with a cap booster with 800s and this is plenty of cap/sec to run the guns and the rep and pulse the MWD if need be.
Now, I don't know exactly how much DPS I'm doing with it off the top of my head, but I do know that it's quite a bit more than the ACs/Arty when I'm shooting at 10-20km. Tank is good with a single rep and resists at 92 EM 73 therm 72 kin 66 exp and a couple trimarks in there for about 31k EHP with slaves in. I always run HG Slaves on TQ so this is representative of a practical fit, not some fantasy SISI setup.
All modules are either T2 or best named T1 and I'd plan on fitting a few faction bits on TQ to add just that little bit of performance here or there.
The performance numbers aren't too shabby when you consider that this thing can do almost 1500m/sec, has 5x HP2s, web out to 19+km AND CLOAK, HAHAHHA.
Currently the CPU is maxed at 397.5/400 and grid is at 1495.5/1512.5 with max fitting skills. Once I get a few faction bits in there to reduce CPU (Domination warp disruptor instead of a T2, some faction hardeners etc.) then I'll be able to add a second heatsink and bring the DPS up to the *same level* as my cloaky Legion. Pretty sweet eh? With a killer web range bonus to boot.
I'm able to get some really decent performance out of the T3 ships with the cloak subsystem fit. I'm really liking all of them, except the Proteus. It's just horrible in comparison. Particularly when you try to use it outside of about 2-3km. Oh well, I have three others that work great. It's gonna suck for those who can only fly Gallente. I guess those guys can stick to using the probe launcher bonused subsystem lol.
Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Death of Virtue is Recruiting
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Kor Korenfield
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.04.04 01:18:00 -
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Ok.
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Winters Chill
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.04.04 01:18:00 -
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Posting in an troll/agenda thread.
I'll bite (out of pity).
Couldn't help notice the little "dig" at the end there bellend.
Is that your attempt at protesting your (mistaken) belief that Gallente are now somehow substandard. Please explain.
Also I've noticed a few forum warriors pushing a "lasers are pwn" agenda in the last few months. You being one of them. Since I've been playing amarr since 2006 I can honestly say lasers havn't really changed. So tell me, do you guys represent some kind of laser weapon producer lobby group or what?
Adding obligitory ******ed "lol" at the end.
lol
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Typhado3
Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.
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Posted - 2009.04.04 01:25:00 -
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but IT'S FRICKEN VERTICAL
ccp fix mining agent missions % pls |
Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.04.04 02:45:00 -
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Originally by: Winters Chill Posting in an troll/agenda thread.
I'll bite (out of pity).
Couldn't help notice the little "dig" at the end there bellend.
Is that your attempt at protesting your (mistaken) belief that Gallente are now somehow substandard. Please explain.
Also I've noticed a few forum warriors pushing a "lasers are pwn" agenda in the last few months. You being one of them. Since I've been playing amarr since 2006 I can honestly say lasers havn't really changed. So tell me, do you guys represent some kind of laser weapon producer lobby group or what?
Adding obligitory ******ed "lol" at the end.
lol
No agenda. I'm just stoked that I came up with a fit that does great DPS out to about 25km, can web and scram that far, is cap stable and can move at about 1500m/sec with a decent armor tank. And it can warp cloaked. It's brilliant.
The Legion and Tengu are really nice now too, with the cloaking offensive module. IMO all the rest of the setups are boring and mundane compared to the cloaking possibilities. So far I've been able to pack near-hac level performance into a ship that can cloak. It's awesome. That's something that I'd actually shell out 250-300m ISK for. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.04.04 08:33:00 -
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Originally by: Typhado3 but IT'S FRICKEN VERTICAL
what? can I see a pic of the new ship parts?
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Kalintos Tyl
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.04.04 08:52:00 -
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its same for other minmatar ships laser nagflar outperform projectile one, mealstorm with lasers is better than with ac.
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2009.04.04 08:53:00 -
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Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 04/04/2009 08:54:49 And whats so weird about it?
If i want 15-20km DPS i put pulses on my ships. if i want 40km range i put artis. If i want sub 10km DPS i put blasters. If i dont want to use cap i put missiles (if possible) or ACs.
Is it that weird that its possible to use non-racial weapons on your ships? Maybe next time ya will scream "imba" because you can *gasp* shield tank ishtar! Or put LSE on zealot?
EDIT: and yea heavy pulse laser Rapier is fun thingy but when you check its cap stability you will understand why lasers are not mother-of-all-weapons.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2009.04.04 09:58:00 -
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First of all, a set up relying on cap injector can hardly be said to be 'stable' Unless you have tons of cargo space for charges there is no problem with it - at least not balance wise.
Second, what kind of tracking are you getting using HPII+Scorch compared to 425/220mm+Barrage? I know from my Zealots that they can be rather touchy when it comes hitting in the 15-20 bracket, the web range would mitigate most of it though.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.04.04 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus That's something that I'd actually shell out 250-300m ISK for.
Too bad you forgot a zero at the end of the pricetag _ The problem with EVE || Fit a ship || Get some ISK |
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2009.04.04 10:15:00 -
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1x web is enough to hit every target at 10-20km range with heavy pulse. Might have slight problems with ceptors under 10km but thats it.
Also 5x unbonused HPt2 is 310 dps (2x sink) with conflag/navy AM. gratz on getting t1 cruiser dps there i guess?
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.04.04 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 04/04/2009 08:54:49 And whats so weird about it?
If i want 15-20km DPS i put pulses on my ships. if i want 40km range i put artis. If i want sub 10km DPS i put blasters. If i dont want to use cap i put missiles (if possible) or ACs.
Is it that weird that its possible to use non-racial weapons on your ships? Maybe next time ya will scream "imba" because you can *gasp* shield tank ishtar! Or put LSE on zealot?
EDIT: and yea heavy pulse laser Rapier is fun thingy but when you check its cap stability you will understand why lasers are not mother-of-all-weapons.
My HP2 Rapier is 100% cap stable while firing all three guns, has a great passive shield tank and can burst the MWD to adjust range. Works great.
Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Death of Virtue is Recruiting
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.04.04 11:07:00 -
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I don't know why this is a surprise. Hardly any laser ships have bonuses to damage, which is why lasers do more base dps for their "class". The penalty for that is higher cap use, which laser ships get a bonus to reduce. If you use enough slots to make a non-laser ship cap stable with lasers, then they are just fine.
I'd just rather use those slots for something else.
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2009.04.04 11:16:00 -
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Exactly what Avon said.
If you fit pulses - you pay in cap. If you fit pulses+cap stability, then you are "wasting" slots which could've been used for other stuff. So in the end everything is balanced anyways.
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