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Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2012.05.05 17:04:00 -
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Andski wrote:Don't be a coward like this man and quit when your Hulk gets ganked. Buy your Hulkageddon Mining Permit today!
LOL its not nice to take money from the gullible. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4038
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Posted - 2012.05.05 17:06:00 -
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Bunnie Hop wrote:Andski wrote:Don't be a coward like this man and quit when your Hulk gets ganked. Buy your Hulkageddon Mining Permit today! LOL its not nice to take money from the gullible.
already sold 11 of the permits
2.75b plus some 100m bounty some pubbie put on me "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2012.05.05 17:08:00 -
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Andski wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Andski wrote:Don't be a coward like this man and quit when your Hulk gets ganked. Buy your Hulkageddon Mining Permit today! LOL its not nice to take money from the gullible. already sold 11 of the permits 2.75b plus some 100m bounty some pubbie put on me
Well as much as I hate hulk ganking, if someone is dumb enough to pay for a mining permit it serves them right. |
Llyona
SKEET ELITE Sk33t Fl33t
12
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Posted - 2012.05.05 17:24:00 -
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Bunnie Hop wrote:Bakuhz wrote:sorry i gotta laugh there are so much more things to do in eve besides being braindeath bashing you skull on a rock. YEAHHH critically hit that veldspar for ZZZzzz... grow some balls and learn to fight or what ever And yet another knuckle dragger speaks out. You do realize that everything in Eve is made with minerals that come from mining don't you?
You know, these "stop mining and start fighting" retards remind me of the time I heard a person say: "People shouldn't kill animals for meat, they should go the store and buy it like the rest of us." EVE is an illness, for which there is no cure. |
Plekto
Aliastra Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.05.05 18:25:00 -
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Bunnie Hop wrote: I don't have all the answers, someone better with math would need figure that out. I know for starters that increasing the pg of the hulk so that it could fit a decent tank with the slots it has would be a start. I don't think nerfing ships would accomplish anything and I hate to see nerfs. Hulks don't need to be a safe invulnerable ship, but it needs to survive more than what it currently can. EHP really doesnt mean alot either since the resists are spread across all damage types, it needs more core defense. Just my two cents.
The thing is, though, that like most T2 ships, the Hulk is fragile for the isk you spent (tradeoff for increased stats) and was designed as a gimmie to 0.0 alliances back in the BoB (tm) days. It's designed to fit t2 strip miners to get at rare ores in 0.0 space. With a full fleet protecting them.
People who actually fly them anyplace else are min/maxxing munchkin types who have to have the best of the best to get that extra 1 or 2%. This type of player is easily spotted for what they are and draw the ire of most of EVE as a great percentage of them are also using bots and/or people sitting in rooms grinding in-game money online over in India and similar places.
Normal people use T1 ships when they fly solo because you get good insurance and can get away with fitting essentially nothing in terms of resists. I mine with a Covetor, three t1 strip miners, a CPU ugrade, and a mining upgrade. I don't even bother with mids as it's wasted isk if I get popped. If I mine for about an hour, I'm in the green and the gankers can pop me all day long on my alt as I'm doing it the smart way. Ninja mining in low sec with little or no risk. I certainly could mine with such a setup in high all day long as I'm obviously a real player (the bad guys are looking for munchkins and botters specifically)
A Covetor with the above setup is roughly 40 mil including insurance. Nobody bothers to really go after them, so once again, the solution to all of this is to get smarter and adjust your tactics to no longer be that fat, juicy target.
Game works as designed. |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
634
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Posted - 2012.05.05 19:13:00 -
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Vaal Erit wrote:Jeremy Firewind wrote:As I said, yes. These tears are what you after, have them. Risk/ Reward/Cost are totally out of whack here. Being capable to destroy a ship with a 100th of the isk in the "safer" empire space is just ridicoulus.
And I know that this will get trolled to hell and back. Hiding behind some Internet Avatar and flinging big words is easy, heh? Well this was my last reply here, fly safe. Nah, EVE is a skill based game with a strategic focus in that you have to plan out your ship fit strategy in advance. Being successful in EVE requires brains and skill not who swipes their credit card the most. You are looking for games under the category Pay2Win. Awesome. Now if you could just sign this petition to un-nerf titan tracking. Yeah, I said it. The underlined statment means plan in advance...which usually indicates with some degree of intelligence is used in the matter that if a subcap fleet cannot beat a Titan fleet then perhaps they should instead fly a cap ship fleet. Yes, see the last round of nerfs were not necessary since you could adapt (like you say to fit your ship in advance) by not flying a subcap and upgrading into a cap ship of your own, since a single Titan XL gun is measured around the fact that it cannot WTFpwn a single frigate...unless doing some amazing teamwork with tackle and target painters.
Since a Titan ganks a sub capship while a destroyer ganks a hulk, tthen its one and the same problem but for some reason its ok to nerf a Titan but not buff a hulk (BUT both are killable provided sufficent DPS greater then a destroyer against a target with ****** fitting options). But CCP stepped into the ring and KOed titans, hulks or destroyers should get some KO luving to bring one or the other in line with a buff or a nerf...that being that both the hulk pilot and ganker should lose something of value (destroyers round closer to zero, no matter how you look at it). At least remove the MLU penalty, CPU is tight and its the only +gank damage (MLU = gyro / mag stab / heatsink / ballistic control) that increases a fitting requirement that is not a rig.
Oh, and highsec isn't safe no matter how much CCP buffs CONCORD if you want to cry about that. You can still shoot them, so perhaps highsec should be far more risky to you just as much as lowsec is risky to a hulk pilot. Or at least the hulk should give no insurane, no loot, and no salvage as the saving grace...miners get nothing and lose everything, you gain nothing, and its just a bigger isk sink in the end |
Llyona
SKEET ELITE Sk33t Fl33t
12
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Posted - 2012.05.05 19:18:00 -
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Plekto wrote: Normal people use T1 ships when they fly solo because you get good insurance and can get away with fitting essentially nothing in terms of resists.
I did this exact thing in a C1 and then later a C2 for quite a few months. The crazy thing is I never lost my Covetor, yet alliance members would regularly lose their Hulks.
I tried telling them that a Hulk is not worth the risk when solo mining, but what do I know?
Aqriue wrote:and its just a bigger isk sink in the end
Ship 'splosions without any insurance payout represent a material sink, not an isk sink. EVE is an illness, for which there is no cure. |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
118
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Posted - 2012.05.05 19:32:00 -
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Andski wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Andski wrote:Don't be a coward like this man and quit when your Hulk gets ganked. Buy your Hulkageddon Mining Permit today! LOL its not nice to take money from the gullible. already sold 11 of the permits 2.75b plus some 100m bounty some pubbie put on me
Damn I only made 1 bil so far.
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Nephilius
Knights of Athena Star Council
392
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Posted - 2012.05.06 01:58:00 -
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EFF ONEF1 wrote:Have fun in eq2
Their servers are still up? Cool. To call me a Carebear is a misnomer...while it is true that I am hairy like a bear (or two russian women), I really don't care.-á Like, at all.-á Call me an Apathybear.-á Just don't call if you need assistance. |
Poetic Stanziel
The Fancy Hats Corporation
853
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Posted - 2012.05.06 03:44:00 -
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Jeremy Firewind wrote:I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. It's called internet space terrorism. Fly with some support.
http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/05/hulkageddon-v-internet-space-terrorism.html The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
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Jayrendo Karr
Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth
85
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Posted - 2012.05.06 03:58:00 -
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Unlike that situation, hulks cant fire a pre-emptive strike. If ganking were rare the hulk would be just fine, but ganking is common so the hulk must evolve. |
Poetic Stanziel
The Fancy Hats Corporation
853
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Posted - 2012.05.06 04:37:00 -
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Jayrendo Karr wrote:Unlike that situation, hulks cant fire a pre-emptive strike. If ganking were rare the hulk would be just fine, but ganking is common so the hulk must evolve. As long as you're happy with a heavier tank, but lower yield and cargo ... then fine ... trade-offs, correct? But the impression I get from the super-carebears is that they want a super-heavy tank, the same yield and the same cargo space. The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
303
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Posted - 2012.05.06 05:07:00 -
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Hulkageddon made me gay.
Though I have to admit that my wardrobe is now fabulous. |
Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
76
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Posted - 2012.05.06 05:43:00 -
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Yep, unfortunately some people never learn. That Hulk was a horrible fitted Hulk. To the OP, there are guides and much mining information regarding setting up a properly tanked Hulk...one that could have easily stayed together long enough for Concorde to have come to your rescue. You didn't use your head. You gambled and lost. It is sad that you didn't take the necessary steps to protect yourself.
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Siobhan MacLeary
BRG Corp Acquisition Of Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.05.06 06:13:00 -
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Jeremy Firewind wrote:
Since these are not the main toons, but purpose built characters, yes 0 risk.
Plenty of folk gank in their main.
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Jessie Davis
Les Enfants Terribles
0
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Posted - 2012.05.06 06:47:00 -
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Or be like this guy..
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=8916161
:no.jpg: |
Cannibal Kane
Praetorian Cannibals
355
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Posted - 2012.05.06 06:54:00 -
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Jacob Staffuer wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Those are untanked Orcas you massive eejit. Mine has 6 times the EHP. Also, not all of those only one of those is even a suicide gank. Are you this clueless or are you trolling? Holy jesus. Let me hand your little hand through this: Untanked Orca has 50k HP. Can a Hulk or Covetor achieve a 50k HP tank? If not, then tanking them is pointless since, as proven in my links, it will still explode. Thank you. *pats you on the head* I hope this has been an informative interaction for you.
Those were still not suicide ganks, except for the first one.
So why link them and what was your point about linking them? You might as well have linked a orca kill done by a frigate.
I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist.
The Crazy African |
Abannan
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.06 07:39:00 -
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you chose to mine. during a month long event called hulkageddon
lol |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2012.05.06 07:41:00 -
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Abannan wrote:you chose to mine. during a month long event called hulkageddon
lol
A month is far too long, thats taking away alot of game time from people who find it enjoyable to mine. |
Poetic Stanziel
The Fancy Hats Corporation
853
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Posted - 2012.05.06 07:43:00 -
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Bunnie Hop wrote:Abannan wrote:you chose to mine. during a month long event called hulkageddon
lol A month is far too long, thats taking away alot of game time from people who find it enjoyable to mine. Players can run their events for as long as they wish.
The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
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Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2012.05.06 07:47:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Abannan wrote:you chose to mine. during a month long event called hulkageddon
lol A month is far too long, thats taking away alot of game time from people who find it enjoyable to mine. Players can run their events for as long as they wish.
Probably, so i hope every so called carebear and miner unsubs and lets the game go to hell. |
Choans
Omniscient Order
0
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Posted - 2012.05.06 07:58:00 -
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war ship vs fishing boat i think my homemade war ship could sink a fishing boat
so lets compare the thrashers to homemade cheap war ships and your hulk to a fishing boat that is good at fishing but not good at war stuff...
who is best fitted to kill something? id say the cheap war ship rather than the fishing boat.
maybe you should bring some cheap war ships with you next time you go out fishing. like a ship that can improve your tank, how about a shield repping ship perhaps... even 5 shield drones might save you from some hostiles...
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Choans
Omniscient Order
0
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Posted - 2012.05.06 08:00:00 -
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Bunnie Hop wrote:Abannan wrote:you chose to mine. during a month long event called hulkageddon
lol A month is far too long, thats taking away alot of game time from people who find it enjoyable to mine.
and who is to decide that.
if you enjoy to do something that other ppl enjoy to destroy then find a way to do what you enjoy in a safe way or those other ppl will come and destroy you. if you are dumb and dont addpat to the situation of the game you will be sad when others come and destroy you. if you are smart and adapt to the situation you will have a "i win" feeling when the gank fails and you live.
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Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
24
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Posted - 2012.05.06 08:05:00 -
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Choans wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Abannan wrote:you chose to mine. during a month long event called hulkageddon
lol A month is far too long, thats taking away alot of game time from people who find it enjoyable to mine. and who is to decide that. if you enjoy to do something that other ppl enjoy to destroy then find a way to do what you enjoy in a safe way or those other ppl will come and destroy you. if you are dumb and dont addpat to the situation of the game you will be sad when others come and destroy you. if you are smart and adapt to the situation you will have a "i win" feeling when the gank fails and you live.
Theres not much to adapt too, you earlier suggested drones or logi support, but they can't help a mining barge survive alpha strikes except perhaps by a solo inept player. I don't mine so I don't personally need to do anything but alot of my friends and my husband does. So far I know of 17 accounts unsubbed, friends I no longer have ingame to do stuff with. No clue if and when they will return. CCP can rot in hell for allowing this to go on for a month as well as those who participate. I have played this game since June, 2003, that doesn't make me 'uber' or anything, just means I have seen the game evolve and devolve and paid alot of money, I have earned the right to state my opinion. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
395
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Posted - 2012.05.06 08:28:00 -
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Bunnie Hop wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Abannan wrote:you chose to mine. during a month long event called hulkageddon
lol A month is far too long, thats taking away alot of game time from people who find it enjoyable to mine. Players can run their events for as long as they wish. Probably, so i hope every so called carebear and miner unsubs and lets the game go to hell. I hope this happens, though I really doubt the game would go to hell. When it becomes profitable enough, people who don't normally mine will do so. I've mined for only a few days shortly after I started out, but every one of my primary characters is skilled for barges, as a result of training for Orcas (extremely valuable in pvp, and also profitable via ejection ransoms).
The math is really simple. I sometimes need to make money to pay for game time, buy pvp gear, and fund wars. I can't always do that through pvp alone, and am sometimes forced to do pve activities. Usually, that involves Sleepers or null rats. If mining becomes profitable enough that it can actually compete with those activities, I wouldn't mind doing it.
As it is right now, minerals come from a free-flowing faucet, making most products extremely common and easily replaceable. If mining becomes more profitable, that means there will be less goods on the market, but that doesn't really matter to players like myself, even though it means we would have less killmails. You see, we're after the quality of the killmails, not the quantity. You can infer for yourself what I mean by quality, but I'll tell you with great certainty that a reduction of the carebear population won't make the game worse off; most likely things will become better, but in the worst case, remain the same. |
Felsusguy
Try-Cycle Mining Industry
2
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Posted - 2012.05.06 09:29:00 -
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Damn... over 300 million? I know there is a lot of inflation... but damn... Didn't used to be like that.
Now, for relevance... Didn't you have it insured? Didn't you have savings? Didn't you pay attention the news?
If your local news all pointed towards a terrorist attack on the apartment building you are currently living in was coming soon, would you simply not notice it and continue with your normal life?
Are you stupid? Maybe, maybe not. Are you ignorant? Hell yes. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
396
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Posted - 2012.05.06 10:05:00 -
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I'm not here to fear the consequences, I'm here to enjoy the ride. I was around during the days of 15-million-ISK cap recharger IIs. Killing a missioner meant a lot more back then than it does today. Coincidentally, there was, proportionally, a lot less whining back then.
There's no way that even a 50% reduction in the mineral supply would be apocalyptic. And 50% is a severe overestimation of the non-bot high-sec carebear mineral output. |
Felsusguy
Try-Cycle Mining Industry
2
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Posted - 2012.05.06 11:09:00 -
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My point still stands regardless of you view on playing the game.
It's a shame, however, how Exhumers work. Here we have ships whose descriptions say they are meant for null-sec mining, and yet they can be easily destroyed in high-sec.
My one request to CCP about exhumers is Remove thou label or make thou label truth |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
396
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Posted - 2012.05.06 11:20:00 -
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Felsusguy wrote:My point still stands regardless of you view on playing the game.
It's a shame, however, how Exhumers work. Here we have ships whose descriptions say they are meant for null-sec mining, and yet they can be easily destroyed in high-sec.
My one request to CCP about exhumers is Remove thou label or make thou label truth You seem to associate "meant for null-sec mining" with not needing any escort to perform their function. Exhumers indeed do fulfill that role, handily might I add, with their upgraded defensive capabilities, which allow them to survive a 0.0 rat spawn long enough for support to arrive, or to withdraw from the field (they can even tank weaker spawns perpetually). They, however, were never intended to survive a focused capsuleer assault, the defense for which lies squarely on the exhumer pilot's shoulders. Unlike a rat spawn, enemy players appear in local, giving the exhumer pilot sufficient time to make a retreat before contact is made. |
Felsusguy
Try-Cycle Mining Industry
2
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Posted - 2012.05.06 11:39:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Felsusguy wrote:My point still stands regardless of you view on playing the game.
It's a shame, however, how Exhumers work. Here we have ships whose descriptions say they are meant for null-sec mining, and yet they can be easily destroyed in high-sec.
My one request to CCP about exhumers is Remove thou label or make thou label truth You seem to associate "meant for null-sec mining" with not needing any escort to perform their function. Exhumers indeed do fulfill that role, handily might I add, with their upgraded defensive capabilities, which allow them to survive a 0.0 rat spawn long enough for support to arrive, or to withdraw from the field (they can even tank weaker spawns perpetually). They, however, were never intended to survive a focused capsuleer assault, the defense for which lies squarely on the exhumer pilot's shoulders. Unlike a rat spawn, enemy players appear in local, giving the exhumer pilot sufficient time to make a retreat before contact is made. On the contrary, I do not believe exhumers should be able to mine without fear of attack, though they should be able to at least withstand an initial attack in time for their fleet or concord to respond. Killing an exhumer should take more than it currently does, and the only true cost of such an attack is security status loss, which is a minor one at most.
Not being able to survive an attack long enough for others to defend them is rather contradictory to their purpose. |
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