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Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1145
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Posted - 2012.05.09 22:57:00 -
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Vikura wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:BTW you may want to notice that Perpeetum online has about 500 people logged on at any one time. So that PVP flag is really boosting their subscriber count! That or bad advertising. I still would not know about that game if someone did not post about it ~1 year ago in EVE forums... I don't have any figures, but I have a feeling their player retention is pretty terrible. As in, when I tried it the majority of the forums were posts from people telling the Devs why they weren't going to stay subbed. You get a little of that here, sure, but it struck me as a massive thing over there. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
69
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Posted - 2012.05.10 09:33:00 -
[452] - Quote
So basically miners die, carebears whine and we get to have the same frickin arguement we have every hulkageddon only this time with extra doses of full on ******. |
Natalia LaFontaine
Ne Pleurez Pas Heureux mort
0
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:01:00 -
[453] - Quote
so i've had an idea that might work. but first, let me say this isn't a "cry for help" from a carebear.
yeah, i'm a highsec miner. i mine highsec because i'm not fond of pvp in this game. but that's ok, since there's maybe things you can do in this game with out pvp i just happen to enjoy mining. makes me feel like i'm fishing. grabe a beer, relax and bs with a friend or two. no big deal.
highsec also provides higher security. unfortunately, this security is a bit lacking in effectiveness. yes, an outlaw will get his ship blown up and all that, but there's a good chance that my tanked hulk will go down in flames as well and that would turn me into a sad panda :(
I would like to see higher security. more concord ships in the system. presence in the asteroid belts in the for of a roaving patrol or permanet station or droid turret. something along those lines. that would be a huge nerf to the pvpers thou and that sucks. i hate nerfs.
in order to balance this, how about an increase in taxes in all highsec stations? higher resear/manufacturing fees? something that would lessen our productivity in highsec. this would encourage the hardcore miners/industrialists to low/null sec while the casual player wouldn't realy care about the higher fees so they would be willing to remain in highsec and pay for enchanced securit?
this would also encourate the carebear pvper to low/null sec as well since a simple highsec gank would be less effective. not impossible, just harder to pull off. the miner cry for isk balance would be adressed as well since it would require gankers to invest in larger, more effective ships to get the job done.
there's probably a number of other things that i'm missing, but i would like to hear any thoughs on this. |
Thalen Draganos
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.05.10 23:33:00 -
[454] - Quote
I'm sure that some one has probably said this before but the solution to the problem the OP has is so simple it's painful. Eve is a sandbox. Player based actions are what make this game we all play unique. As such, if you don't want to pvp, than you don't have to. There are ways around it. The only failure is the imagination of the player doing all of the whining. To ask CCP to restrict one players playing style and allow another to play as they see fit makes the game no longer a sandbox. Plain and simple. It's just wrong. If you subscribed to Eve, expecting anything but an unrestricted playing environment than it is you who are the one that is faulty. Not the game. You should have done a great deal more research in the game than you have or haven't done before spending your money.
Putting it simply, Eve is the kitchen. If you can't take the heat, GTFO. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1151
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Posted - 2012.05.10 23:33:00 -
[455] - Quote
The issues with the idea of nerfing highsec rewards with the benefit of better security is it is artificial, and unnecessary. My issues are:
- The hardcore carebear will stay in highsec anyway rather than reap rewards elsewhere (see: PI whine threads .. the current situation anyway, as it happens) - It creates a bigger step between the "safer" areas and lowsec/null; its a larger barrier for a new player to eventually step over - There's no solid reason why it would need to be implemented that can't be otherwise assuaged by player competence in the existing system. - Safety breeds a desire for more safety and does nothing to stop players joining and becoming career carebears, quite the opposite
You're kinda beating up the right tree; the reason to leave highsec should be the greater rewards of other space, both financial and with respect to gameplay opportunities. The way to do this isn't to make the safer zones even safer however, as that corrals people into that safety in a more vigorous manner. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Jacob Staffuer
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.11 18:40:00 -
[456] - Quote
You don't have to quit Eve to continue mining! I gave Helicity 2 billion isk and he added me to the white list. Now, when destroyers warp into my belt, they see me and help kill off the belt rats that spawn before warping off. Paying Helicity was the best investment I've ever made! |
Hrothgar Nilsson
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.11 20:24:00 -
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Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded. I've been playing this game for 19 whole days, and have made 160 million ISK in the last four days alone. All total, assets+ISK I'm worth about ~250 million ISK.
I don't really see the rationale in throwing away a character with a year's worth of skill points over something a 19-day old dude can earn in 7-8 days. Surely you can do better than me even.
I have a ~35 million ISK PvExor, ~15 million Ninjax, and ~8 million Salvagyst. Don't undock what you can't afford to lose. And in the end, ~300 million can be earned back in a week easily. |
Mordecai Braeden
Industrial Gambit
0
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Posted - 2012.05.12 00:22:00 -
[458] - Quote
Diomedes Gambito wrote:Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded. I stopped following the thread at 5th page. Emo-rage-quit ? then just quit no need to open a thread about it, it is as same as jita "I quit scams..." You obviously failed at learning EVE mechanics, CCP rules and many other out there aspects of EVE and now crying for a hug. As many said, the warning was out there that HG is coming, but even without it ganking in EVE was always there and in your case there was even team effort (3 pilots co-operated to kill your Hulk), if you look for fair gank isk ratio loss mine in an ibis. You took out a 300 mil ship out to a .5 system with HG running across Eden and thought you'll make ISK untouchable? You were wrong, there is no IDDQD god mode cheat (I'll mine in Hulk) in EVE and probably will never be implemented by CCP . If you chose EVE for your amusement to spend $ to see lasers pop pixels, then EVE was wrong investment. No idea why you opened this thread for at all.
The way you put your words on here is very cocky and just another reply as a smartass. Explain to me then why I never heard of Hulkageddon before I was shot in my retriever? Mining, like a boss, but boom gone was my ship. Oh, and not in Low Sec, no no, in High Sec. Bringing out a 10 million ship in my case out in a .7 system with HG running across Eden. I'm flying out there like I'm the king. But damn, it's a retriever and not a Hulk. But still I get ganked because it's Hulkageddon.
I'm a 1 month old player in this game and you have to agree with this on some lvl. It's totally f*cked in the head that you can pwn a 300million ship with just a puny little 2 mill ship in a few shot. Hell even my retriever was pwned in 3 shots.
If a 2 mill ship comes up against a Hulk he should be shooting for 10 minutes to dmg it with it's T1 weaponry and ****** ship. Yet it only takes a few blows and that's what's so f*cked up about this so called "system"
We take days of hard work to get a 300mil ship(without fitting) which can get destroyed by the nearest douchebag within 5 seconds...
HG is just an excuse to nuke miners, but it happens outside HG as well... I can totally imagine Jeremy quits this game cuz of this ****. Played hard and long to get where he's now. And some stupid kids invent an event to kill the miners -_-'
I thought Eve was a more mature game, guess every game has it's kids in it... |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
429
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Posted - 2012.05.12 03:50:00 -
[459] - Quote
Mordecai Braeden wrote:I'm a 1 month old player in this game and you have to agree with this on some lvl. It's totally f*cked in the head that you can pwn a 300million ship with just a puny little 2 mill ship in a few shot. Hell even my retriever was pwned in 3 shots.
If a 2 mill ship comes up against a Hulk he should be shooting for 10 minutes to dmg it with it's T1 weaponry and ****** ship. Yet it only takes a few blows and that's what's so f*cked up about this so called "system" I can wreck your $300,000 sports car with a $15 hammer. Also, the cops won't kill me within 20 seconds for doing so.
Mordecai Braeden wrote:I thought Eve was a more mature game, guess every game has it's kids in it... You can start whining about kids ruining your game after you learn the difference between a possessive and a contraction. |
Ispia Jaydrath
Reib Autonomous Industries
65
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Posted - 2012.05.12 04:47:00 -
[460] - Quote
Mordecai Braeden wrote:Explain to me then why I never heard of Hulkageddon before I was shot in my retriever?
Because you're poorly informed. If you had paid any attention to anything about eve - NPC corp chat, newbie help, local, eve forums, en24, blogs, twitter, gaming media, anything, you could not have failed to hear about burn jita and hulkageddon.
You didn't, so you lost your ship.
Knowledge is power. I recommend getting some. |
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Majuan Shuo
Sons Of 0din
18
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Posted - 2012.05.12 04:50:00 -
[461] - Quote
can i have your thoughts? "I believe the Winter expansion needs to be a huge success, and so they are giving us ice cream, and cake, and ice cream cake, and pizza, and hookers, and blow, and pizza. Any and everything they think players want and they can do by winter, they will stuff into this expansion." |
Hrothgar Nilsson
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.12 05:43:00 -
[462] - Quote
Now I'm only ~20 days old here, but...
Are you miner guys just out there solo mining oblivious to everything around you and alternative methods?
Here's a few things that seems like a no-brainer to me:
- post scouts at the stargates monitoring who's entering the system.
- a scout fleeted w/a miner can see if gankers entering the system align themselves to where hulks are when warping. gives hulk a headstart on warping out and docking.
- scouts can also see if probes are being launched, give a head's up.
- pre-align yourself toward a starbase when mining to eliminate alignment time.
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Tysinger
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2
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Posted - 2012.05.12 05:59:00 -
[463] - Quote
Shoulda Checked Local
Nuff said :) |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
378
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Posted - 2012.05.12 14:38:00 -
[464] - Quote
Plekto wrote:About "tanking".
You do realize that there are other ways to tank than shields and armor? If the enemy can't lock you or has no cap after the first volley, its over for them. Why is this important? Because all of the enemies know that it takes two volleys in 4 or 5 of these destroyers to get the job done. They almost never send more than 4 or 5 destroyers or cruisers.
You're down to low armor after the first volley and then... ... .... Concord finishes them, since no ganker usually fits ECCM on these ships. (note - a passive targeter is key here so they don't know you have ECM/jammers/etc fitted)
Note - for more advanced tactics, you could use a stealth bomber as support. Unlock, target your Hulk (all in less than a second) and fire off a void bomb. You might lose the bomber, but you'd certainly end up getting the gankers killed by concord as it would make their caps all drop to 0. Since their weapons take 4 or 5 seconds to cycle, you have enough time to pull this off.
And these are just off the top of my head. There are TONS of things you can do to protect yourself. You just have to do so (#1 is to get into a corp with PVPers along for the ride)
So bombs can be launched in hisec now?
1/10.
In irae, veritas. |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
73
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Posted - 2012.05.12 14:39:00 -
[465] - Quote
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Plekto wrote:About "tanking".
You do realize that there are other ways to tank than shields and armor? If the enemy can't lock you or has no cap after the first volley, its over for them. Why is this important? Because all of the enemies know that it takes two volleys in 4 or 5 of these destroyers to get the job done. They almost never send more than 4 or 5 destroyers or cruisers.
You're down to low armor after the first volley and then... ... .... Concord finishes them, since no ganker usually fits ECCM on these ships. (note - a passive targeter is key here so they don't know you have ECM/jammers/etc fitted)
Note - for more advanced tactics, you could use a stealth bomber as support. Unlock, target your Hulk (all in less than a second) and fire off a void bomb. You might lose the bomber, but you'd certainly end up getting the gankers killed by concord as it would make their caps all drop to 0. Since their weapons take 4 or 5 seconds to cycle, you have enough time to pull this off.
And these are just off the top of my head. There are TONS of things you can do to protect yourself. You just have to do so (#1 is to get into a corp with PVPers along for the ride) So bombs can be launched in hisec now? 1/10.
So you only addressed one point in that post? 1/10 |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
378
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Posted - 2012.05.12 14:44:00 -
[466] - Quote
Plekto wrote:Yes, gankers don't always need cap to fire, but sometimes they fly ships with other weapons on them that require cap (especially in low sec). You could fire off a lock breaker or something else and the time it takes them to realize what happened and re-lock manually the barge(s) are in warp. Of course the bomber gets reamed most likely by the now very angry gankers. I mentioned this as the person before me mentioned low sec. I didn't mention that this was a low sec only tactic. My bad.
But the previous tactic in high of nerfing one or two ships damage by jamming them is valid. There's a whole skill tree and sub-section in the market for ECM and ECCM. That hardly anyone uses it is their problem. It's the best defense a miner has.
It all depends. That's my point - there are always things you can do to protect yourself in high low, or 0. You just have to NOT be AFK.
edit - I even log off to post here. AFK is as good as dead in EVE.
I'll say it slowly, one more time for the feeb:
BOMBS
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ARE
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NOT
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USEABLE
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IN
......
0.1+ RATED SPACE.
It's not "launch and get a GCC," it's "You can fit and load the module, but the game won't let you fire it." (The message from Aura's charming voice, IIRC, is "You cannot use that here, as it is currently against Empire policy.")
For ****'s sake...
In irae, veritas. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
378
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Posted - 2012.05.12 15:02:00 -
[467] - Quote
Darek Castigatus wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Plekto wrote:About "tanking".
You do realize that there are other ways to tank than shields and armor? If the enemy can't lock you or has no cap after the first volley, its over for them. Why is this important? Because all of the enemies know that it takes two volleys in 4 or 5 of these destroyers to get the job done. They almost never send more than 4 or 5 destroyers or cruisers.
You're down to low armor after the first volley and then... ... .... Concord finishes them, since no ganker usually fits ECCM on these ships. (note - a passive targeter is key here so they don't know you have ECM/jammers/etc fitted)
Note - for more advanced tactics, you could use a stealth bomber as support. Unlock, target your Hulk (all in less than a second) and fire off a void bomb. You might lose the bomber, but you'd certainly end up getting the gankers killed by concord as it would make their caps all drop to 0. Since their weapons take 4 or 5 seconds to cycle, you have enough time to pull this off.
And these are just off the top of my head. There are TONS of things you can do to protect yourself. You just have to do so (#1 is to get into a corp with PVPers along for the ride) So bombs can be launched in hisec now? 1/10. So you only addressed one point in that post? 1/10
After that single monumental gurgling spit-up of stupid, I saw no need to go further.
Suicide-gankers are not a worry in the places where you can use bombs. In irae, veritas. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
378
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Posted - 2012.05.12 16:11:00 -
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Felsusguy wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Felsusguy wrote:My point still stands regardless of you view on playing the game.
It's a shame, however, how Exhumers work. Here we have ships whose descriptions say they are meant for null-sec mining, and yet they can be easily destroyed in high-sec.
My one request to CCP about exhumers is Remove thou label or make thou label truth You seem to associate "meant for null-sec mining" with not needing any escort to perform their function. Exhumers indeed do fulfill that role, handily might I add, with their upgraded defensive capabilities, which allow them to survive a 0.0 rat spawn long enough for support to arrive, or to withdraw from the field (they can even tank weaker spawns perpetually). They, however, were never intended to survive a focused capsuleer assault, the defense for which lies squarely on the exhumer pilot's shoulders. Unlike a rat spawn, enemy players appear in local, giving the exhumer pilot sufficient time to make a retreat before contact is made. On the contrary, I do not believe exhumers should be able to mine without fear of attack, though they should be able to at least withstand an initial attack in time for their fleet or concord to respond. Killing an exhumer should take more than it currently does, and the only true cost of such an attack is security status loss, which is a minor one at most. Not being able to survive an attack long enough for others to defend them is rather contradictory to their purpose.
You have local.
You have the d-scanner.
You have the ability to "flag" potential enemies to more quickly see them when they show in local.
You have the option of mining in a quiet, low-populated system to notice the enemy even sooner.
The best defense for a non-combat ship is to maintain situational awareness, and then make use of it.
Working as intended.
In irae, veritas. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
378
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Posted - 2012.05.12 17:26:00 -
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Eryn Velasquez wrote: [...]
I also agree, but banning? Send them to a SP-extracting facility. A criminal activity should have consequences, that hurt.
Give it a cooldown timer, so if someone ganks the first time on a day, the highest skill he has trained will be taken. If he does the second gank on the same day, the next skill goes to trash.
My God, I don't think I've ever seen anything so arse-about-face ****** up. Which with this community, is bloody well saying something
What are you even doing in this game?
Just what the Hell did you think you were getting into, anyway?
E:
"Risk," nor "risc," FFS...Use your frigging spell-checker if you want your bad-LSD-dreams to have any prayer of being taken seriously by anyone. In irae, veritas. |
Benteen
Drone A.I. Servicing Inc.
7
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Posted - 2012.05.18 20:05:00 -
[470] - Quote
Destiny Corrupted wrote:Drake Draconis wrote:EVE Online requires the following things :
3: IQ Greater than 50 (Ok maybe 100) To be fair, 100 is the normalized average, and judging by EVE players' math and language skills, I'd say only a fifth of all players meet this requirement. ROFL! I like this one |
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Bill Loney
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.05.18 22:45:00 -
[471] - Quote
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Plekto wrote:Yes, gankers don't always need cap to fire, but sometimes they fly ships with other weapons on them that require cap (especially in low sec). You could fire off a lock breaker or something else and the time it takes them to realize what happened and re-lock manually the barge(s) are in warp. Of course the bomber gets reamed most likely by the now very angry gankers. I mentioned this as the person before me mentioned low sec. I didn't mention that this was a low sec only tactic. My bad.
But the previous tactic in high of nerfing one or two ships damage by jamming them is valid. There's a whole skill tree and sub-section in the market for ECM and ECCM. That hardly anyone uses it is their problem. It's the best defense a miner has.
It all depends. That's my point - there are always things you can do to protect yourself in high low, or 0. You just have to NOT be AFK.
edit - I even log off to post here. AFK is as good as dead in EVE. I'll say it slowly, one more time for the guy who doesn't seem to get it: BOMBS ..... ARE ..... NOT ..... USEABLE ...... IN ...... 0.1+ RATED SPACE. It's not "launch and get a GCC," it's "You can fit and load the module, but the game won't let you fire it." (The message from Aura's charming voice, IIRC, is "You cannot use that here, as it is currently against Empire policy.") E: Facepalm linky no workie, so [facepalm].
YES
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THEY
.....
ARE
.....
My buddy had some bpo taken from a lab in 0.7 that was bombed after the shields going down. |
Hrothgar Nilsson
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.05.18 23:52:00 -
[472] - Quote
I warped out to an asteroid belt in a 0.8 system, got hit twice for 500 each by bombs about five days ago... so, they seem to be usable in 0.1+ systems. |
Dawn Flare
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
6
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Posted - 2012.05.19 00:15:00 -
[473] - Quote
Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:I warped out to an asteroid belt in a 0.8 system, got hit twice for 500 each by bombs about five days ago... so, they seem to be usable in 0.1+ systems. Those are smartbombs, not bombs.
Smartbombs work anywhere, but firing them off in highsec will PROBABLY get you concorded for hitting an innocent.
You know, if you care about getting concorded for hitting innocents. |
Dawn Flare
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
6
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Posted - 2012.05.19 00:17:00 -
[474] - Quote
Bill Loney wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Plekto wrote:Yes, gankers don't always need cap to fire, but sometimes they fly ships with other weapons on them that require cap (especially in low sec). You could fire off a lock breaker or something else and the time it takes them to realize what happened and re-lock manually the barge(s) are in warp. Of course the bomber gets reamed most likely by the now very angry gankers. I mentioned this as the person before me mentioned low sec. I didn't mention that this was a low sec only tactic. My bad.
But the previous tactic in high of nerfing one or two ships damage by jamming them is valid. There's a whole skill tree and sub-section in the market for ECM and ECCM. That hardly anyone uses it is their problem. It's the best defense a miner has.
It all depends. That's my point - there are always things you can do to protect yourself in high low, or 0. You just have to NOT be AFK.
edit - I even log off to post here. AFK is as good as dead in EVE. I'll say it slowly, one more time for the guy who doesn't seem to get it: BOMBS ..... ARE ..... NOT ..... USEABLE ...... IN ...... 0.1+ RATED SPACE. It's not "launch and get a GCC," it's "You can fit and load the module, but the game won't let you fire it." (The message from Aura's charming voice, IIRC, is "You cannot use that here, as it is currently against Empire policy.") E: Facepalm linky no workie, so [facepalm]. YES ..... THEY ..... ARE ..... My buddy had some bpo taken from a lab in 0.7 that was bombed after the shields going down. Proof is in the API verified killmail. |
Cardnyl Sin
Sinister Corporation Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.19 04:47:00 -
[475] - Quote
delicious salty tears. |
Xi Tivianne
Future World Industries
0
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Posted - 2012.05.19 12:00:00 -
[476] - Quote
As a part-time miner I say this:
- Mining wouldn't be profitable without risk!!!! - Outsmarting the gankers is part of the fun! - Don't fly it if you can't lose it!
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LittleTerror
8
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Posted - 2012.05.19 13:06:00 -
[477] - Quote
ahahah |
Axis Raikkonen
The Black Legionnares SpaceMonkey's Alliance
26
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Posted - 2012.05.19 17:10:00 -
[478] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
k.
P.S. Might I recommend a new game, perhaps one better suited to your cognitive capabilities?
P.P.S. Can I have your stuff? Damn, someone beat me to it. |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
445
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Posted - 2012.05.20 16:33:00 -
[479] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:As I said, yes. These tears are what you after, have them. Risk/ Reward/Cost are totally out of whack here. Being capable to destroy a ship with a 100th of the isk in the "safer" empire space is just ridicoulus.
And I know that this will get trolled to hell and back. Hiding behind some Internet Avatar and flinging big words is easy, heh? Well this was my last reply here, fly safe.
Care to try and see how long your Hulk last if you try mining undefended in low-sec? Empire IS safer. Not perfectly safe though. Especially not for Hulk-miners thinking Hulkageddon doesn't apply to them. Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors! |
Vincent R'lyeh
Black Rebel Rifter Club
2
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Posted - 2012.05.20 21:41:00 -
[480] - Quote
I'll just leave this here......
The Prize |
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