From official DevBlog :

# Procurer/Skiff: primarily made for self-defense. Better mining rate than the ORE frig, good ore bay, but capable of having battleship-like EHP.
# Retriever/Mackinaw: made for self-reliance. Has the largest ore bay, similear to the size of a jet can, second best mining output but less EHP than the procurer mining barge.
# Covetor/hulk: ore bay is identical to its current cargo hold, little to average EHP, but best mining output. Basically made for group operations when players have industrials and protection to back them up.

It is likely that the mining vessels will receive a buff, I'm guessing CCP recognizes the problem of low effort hulk hi-sec ganking.
Them combat pilots best enjoy it while they can The player won't need to toughen up if the hull gets tougher first.

Theyre already planning on buffing the mining vessels. The Skiff gets BS EHP if I am correct, the rest are left as is.

Sigh...

I don't find Hulkageddon to be amoral bullying, but what I DO dislike about is - lazyness. Kamikaze destroyers just can't be bothered to scan down mission runners, coordinate a fleet for big enough alpha or beliebable bait, etc ... It's much easier to just warp in belt and target the first guy in mining barge.

I don't find Hulkageddon to be amoral bullying, but what I DO dislike about is - lazyness. Kamikaze destroyers just can't be bothered to scan down mission runners, coordinate a fleet for big enough alpha or beliebable bait, etc ... It's much easier to just warp in belt and target the first guy in mining barge.

So.... the lazy killing the lazy then?

ganking really is harder than it looks i took an amateur shot at it and failed miserably. concord likes to make you lose target, neuts you and promptly blows you into smithereens. i'm not saying it's impossible, but all those that say it's effortless have clearly not tried it. (or they have decent experience in doing it thus it's easier)

EDIT: just finding an appropriate target takes time and doing so without making the target suspicious and changing belts or starting to align or just up and dock is a game all in itself.

Hey,

I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.


Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.

Laziness, you say? I don't know about the majority of gankers, but I cannot merely swoop into a belt all lacksidaisy and afford burning 10-40km towards a miner to gank his balls off. We @ Jihad Squad use various ways of ensuring that when we jump into system that we are going to warp right on top of you 99% of the time. It's very coordinated and surgical. I'm not about to divulge my methods to you, but I assure you they are more than merely effective. They are downright psychopathic. I also have no problem throwing 3-4 more ships on top of a well tanked Hulk that's running gang boosts. It's not about the ISK efficiency for us, moreso the complete and total destruction of all highsec carebears who believe they are safe...even the ones that pull Concord into the belt with them thinking that it offers them a modicum of protection. We recently ganked a Hulk that had many Concord BS spawn already in the belt. I got off 7 volleys on his Hulk and podded him before Concord got me.

For every Hulk we do uber murderdeathoverkill on we kill 5 who are barely tanked at all and drop delicious T2 salvage to fund our war machine. Plainly put, you may go to great lengths to proect yourself, but we'll still have the means and the will to kill you anyways.

Now if we are going to talk about laziness how about we refer to the afk miner who sits there sucking ore all day long.

I find Hulkageddon a great experience for me as a player. Just because I can't fly my retriever does not mean I can't play the game. Understanding how Hulkageddon affects the market leads to profit if you know how to read the graphs. I also mine but not with my retriever.

Most important, you learn. A chance encounter with a player (I won't mention his name but he knows who he is) helped me understand how to build a better tank that will benefit me when I start getting serious about mission running. I also got a better understanding on what skills help with what kind of damage resistance on both shield and armor.

Ragequitting not only makes you look like a baby, it also means you lost the opportunity to learn from and experience this great game

RR

2 Daemon Ceed : Not saying you aren't professionals of your job, but ... Really, while you're burning down the miners, agentrunners of the very same system are making much more isks, in almost the same semi-afk way. Why don't you try and get them ?

News for you buddy, 3 *1 mil isk ships cannot gank a tanked hulk. In fact 3 t2 catalysts wont kill a tanked hulk either. Your hull clearly wasn't tanked. A tanked hulk has 30k ehp, 40k ehp if you have the foresight to have a gang bonus. Assuming one catalyst is jammed by those ecm drones you dropped they really need 5 t2 catalysts to kill you.

I'm not going to say that ganking is really really hard by anymeans, but there is a good deal of thought that goes into it. Anyone who thinks it's simply "Warp to the belt, press F1 and laugh hilariously" is very wrong. Target choice is a very good point, however we almost met our match today with a hull+shield tank Hulk with Orca links. There weren't even any mining upgrades on this thing, just tank and 1 stupid roid scanner:

They Can't Gank Me!!

Took 3 of us, but we got him nearly down to the last shot before Concordokken. Plainly put, if Jihad Squad wants your Hulk, it's gonna get it.

Have fun in eq2

This... this is the kind of guy CCP caters to. Great long-term plan devs.

It is for the type of people we want in this game. HTFU or go back to EQ2/WoW/STOL/etc.

This thread made me re-subscribe to Eve. Been out for 5 months but I have a big need to start bounty-ing again. No game gives you the freedom like EVE.

I'm sure that was the same face he had when he realized he was in his pod. Needless to say, I lol'd when I saw the fit we just killed.

For the cynics, API verified, biotches: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13920646

Chill, we believe u.. We are all adults, are we not?

actually, Deamon Ceed seems to have the mentality of a child more than an adult if you ask me. Just have a look at this bio, Now, THAT is funny. I'm with you, I would find no challenge and barely any fun in rolling around with 3 guys, ganking random miners who won't fight back.

Deamon Ceed bio:
"- Ambassador to the Holy Order of the Flying Speghetti Monster

Doing bad things to good people since 2011

Quotes:


Daemon Ceed > Just let me know when your cap gets back up so I can neut it again. Thx.
Blart Agrajag > jesus christ
Daemon Ceed > You can just call me Daemon.
Daemon Ceed > No need for the brevity.

Antonious Corvinus > it's just crazy how quick you beat the **** out of my ship....
Gutless2 Kunta-kin-ta > you ripped me to pieces in seconds"


I especially like the use of the word "brevity". Apparently he threw that in there to appear smart. LOL.

Wow. You are certainly an obsessed tool, aren't you Fabulous Rod? You should really quote me and the slight misuse of a movie quote in every single post you make! I think that'd be excellent. The hilarious thing was that you weren't even the one to point out that I used the word incorrectly. Personally, I doubt that 90% of people in general could really tell you the definition of that word anyways. LOL. Go smoke a pole buddy ;)