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Jeremy Firewind
German Tactical Industry
0
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:51:00 -
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Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
287
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:53:00 -
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"Don't fly anything you can't afford to lose"
It's kind of a general rule of thumb in Eve. |
EFF ONEF1
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:54:00 -
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Have fun in eq2 |
Jeremy Firewind
German Tactical Industry
0
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:57:00 -
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As I said, yes. These tears are what you after, have them. Risk/ Reward/Cost are totally out of whack here. Being capable to destroy a ship with a 100th of the isk in the "safer" empire space is just ridicoulus.
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jimmyjam
Deadspace Exploration Conglomerate Clockwork Pineapple
35
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:05:00 -
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Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded. 1/10 |
Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
69
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:11:00 -
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Hulka-what? So basically, you're a wuss and quit?
Gotcha. |
Pisov viet
Kaesong Kosmonauts Test Friends Please Ignore
9
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:12:00 -
[7] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded. Mission accomplished. Next time you'll learn to fit a tank instead of 2 MLU. |
Jeremy Firewind
German Tactical Industry
0
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:13:00 -
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Katja Faith wrote:Hulka-what? So basically, you're a wuss and quit?
Gotcha.
No I just don't see how 3 moronic griefers with no risk will make me mine for wweeks on end to get another Hulk.
That is the point. And yes, maybe I am a wuss. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
171
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:16:00 -
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Has this thread been linked on Helicity's website yet? Unintentional bug Working as IntendedGäó |
Evolution1979
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:17:00 -
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did you really quit? I can help you out, i have a special hulkageddon replacement program. For just 150 mil i can replace your shot down hulk. Send it to me ingame, and link the killmail ingame to and i will replace it. This goes for every victim of hulkageddon ofcourse I have 37 hulks left to sell for cheap! |
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
194
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:19:00 -
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Jeremy Firewind wrote:As I said, yes. These tears are what you after, have them. Risk/ Reward/Cost are totally out of whack here. Being capable to destroy a ship with a 100th of the isk in the "safer" empire space is just ridicoulus.
And I know that this will get trolled to hell and back. Hiding behind some Internet Avatar and flinging big words is easy, heh? Well this was my last reply here, fly safe.
Nah, EVE is a skill based game with a strategic focus in that you have to plan out your ship fit strategy in advance. Being successful in EVE requires brains and skill not who swipes their credit card the most. You are looking for games under the category Pay2Win. |
Jeremy Firewind
German Tactical Industry
0
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:24:00 -
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Vaal Erit wrote:Jeremy Firewind wrote:As I said, yes. These tears are what you after, have them. Risk/ Reward/Cost are totally out of whack here. Being capable to destroy a ship with a 100th of the isk in the "safer" empire space is just ridicoulus.
And I know that this will get trolled to hell and back. Hiding behind some Internet Avatar and flinging big words is easy, heh? Well this was my last reply here, fly safe. Nah, EVE is a skill based game with a strategic focus in that you have to plan out your ship fit strategy in advance. Being successful in EVE requires brains and skill not who swipes their credit card the most. You are looking for games under the category Pay2Win.
Yes skill, that takes 10hrs to create a toon to fly a thrasher and just press f1 once... really skillful players. The mechanic to punish you is easily circumvented by just deleting the toon. Rinse, repeat...
This is skilfull exactly where? |
Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
21
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:25:00 -
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Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded. Your stuff, please can I have? |
Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
21
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:27:00 -
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Jeremy Firewind wrote:As I said, yes. These tears are what you after, have them. Risk/ Reward/Cost are totally out of whack here. Being capable to destroy a ship with a 100th of the isk in the "safer" empire space is just ridicoulus.
And I know that this will get trolled to hell and back. Hiding behind some Internet Avatar and flinging big words is easy, heh? Well this was my last reply here, fly safe. Also, just because it is worth 100x the isk doesn't mean it has 100x the survivability. If you want a ship with 100x the combat survivability, get a tier 3 battleship - you know, a ship designed for combat - rather than complaining that a mining ship has a crappy tank. Thats like complaining a stealth bomber has a small drone bay; it is irrelevant and shows how great your lack of understanding of the game is. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
370
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:38:00 -
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Three things:
1. Why not mine somewhere where people don't gank? Unpopulated low-sec areas and high-sec islands come to mind.
2. Players are responsible for Hulk prices, not CCP. Blame your fellow greedy carebears for the 300m price tag, because the ship could cost under a hundred.
3. Why not use a different ship to mine, therefore mining less, but making more money? |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
546
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:41:00 -
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EVE Online requires the following things :
1: A Brain 2: Common Sense 3: IQ Greater than 50 (Ok maybe 100) 4: Someone who actually reads and not just "mashes buttons" 5: The ability to "Learn"
If you don't have ANY of the above items...
Don't expect to get anywhere.
Welcome ot EVE Online...or as you so painfully cried out.
So long...sucks to be you..have a nice day...and oh can I has stuff? ================ Get PAID FOR SPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152 |
jimmyjam
Deadspace Exploration Conglomerate Clockwork Pineapple
35
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:42:00 -
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Jeremy Firewind wrote:Katja Faith wrote:Hulka-what? So basically, you're a wuss and quit?
Gotcha. No I just don't see how 3 moronic griefers with no risk will make me mine for wweeks on end to get another Hulk. That is the point. And yes, maybe I am a wuss.
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jimmyjam
Deadspace Exploration Conglomerate Clockwork Pineapple
35
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:42:00 -
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jimmyjam wrote:Jeremy Firewind wrote:Katja Faith wrote:Hulka-what? So basically, you're a wuss and quit?
Gotcha. No I just don't see how 3 moronic griefers with no risk will make me mine for wweeks on end to get another Hulk. That is the point. And yes, maybe I am a wuss. Its not a maybe your a wuss for sure i confirmed it. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
370
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Posted - 2012.05.02 23:02:00 -
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Drake Draconis wrote:EVE Online requires the following things :
3: IQ Greater than 50 (Ok maybe 100) To be fair, 100 is the normalized average, and judging by EVE players' math and language skills, I'd say only a fifth of all players meet this requirement. |
Karloth Valois
1st. Pariah Malefactor corp.
6
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Posted - 2012.05.02 23:04:00 -
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Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.
Why i love EvE right here It's not been nice, but thanks for using lube |
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Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
103
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Posted - 2012.05.02 23:31:00 -
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Yeah EVE is like, super harsh and hard and stuff.
It's like real life. Survival of the fittest. All that.
*strokes epeen* and I'm good at it, of course. Naturally. Implicitly. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
720
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:18:00 -
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Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.
Ya know......when I started this toon in 2010 and I was noob noob beyond noob, I finally got my mining Osprey and a Badger. H'geddon was not that old and I had no clue what was up.
So I'm mining away in my Osprey and THIS happened:
2010.04.22 15:19:00
Victim: Krixtal Icefluxor Corp: Federal Navy Academy Alliance: Unknown Faction: Unknown Destroyed: Osprey System: Vittenyn Security: 0.9 Damage Taken: 1960
Involved parties:
Name: XXXXXX (laid the final blow) Security: 1.60 Corp: Suddenly Ninjas Alliance: Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service Faction: None Ship: Hurricane Weapon: 425mm AutoCannon II Damage Done: 1960
Clueless I got my Badger to get the loot and my ore out of my anchored can, and this happened:
2010.04.22 15:30:00
Victim: Krixtal Icefluxor Corp: Federal Navy Academy Alliance: Unknown Faction: Unknown Destroyed: Badger Mark II System: Vittenyn Security: 0.9 Damage Taken: 3433
Involved parties:
Name: XXXXXXX (laid the final blow) Security: 1.60 Corp: Suddenly Ninjas Alliance: Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service Faction: None Ship: Broadsword Weapon: 425mm AutoCannon II Damage Done: 3433
I had next to no money and it took me a week at least to mission enough to get a mining Osprey again.
I'm stiill here.
You live and learn as in life.
As you skill up, read, learn from Corp members, read Hulkageddon Kill Mails and all that later, you learn a LOT.
And things do become either manageable or survivable.
And it's really hard to not find something to do in EVE besides mining. If that's all you are doing, you are missing the entire POINT of the game entirely.
So man up, and deal with your loss and play.
I was so mad, I was determined to get back in my Osprey as soon as possible. And I had to mission to do it, again, not mine.
I did not find out what H'geddon was for another few months.
It is YOUR fault you lost your Hulk. And if you can afford that, another one is not far behind IF you work for it. Or do you want to be given things easy ?
If so, this is not the game for you after all.
So harden up or GTFO.
We don't want to hear it.
"Behold, as a wild ass in the desert, go I forth to my work." - Gurney Halleck |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
720
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:23:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Drake Draconis wrote:EVE Online requires the following things :
3: IQ Greater than 50 (Ok maybe 100) To be fair, 100 is the normalized average, and judging by EVE players' math and language skills, I'd say only a fifth of all players meet this requirement.
Less than that. And lurv the Corp name.
"Behold, as a wild ass in the desert, go I forth to my work." - Gurney Halleck |
Jeremy Firewind
German Tactical Industry
0
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:31:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: And it's really hard to not find something to do in EVE besides mining. If that's all you are doing, you are missing the entire POINT of the game entirely.
So man up, and deal with your loss and play.
I was so mad, I was determined to get back in my Osprey as soon as possible. And I had to mission to do it, again, not mine.
I did not find out what H'geddon was for another few months.
It is YOUR fault you lost your Hulk. And if you can afford that, another one is not far behind IF you work for it. Or do you want to be given things easy ?
If so, this is not the game for you after all.
So harden up or GTFO.
We don't want to hear it.
If everyone did just that, doing something else than mining, then you'd run out of ships to fly pretty fast. So do not tell me that I miss the point of the game entirely.
What happens here is griefing par excellence. And this has nothing to do with htfu. Would you go and beat up a third grader, knock him sensless, knowing, he has no other possiblity to defend himself and then run around in the street yelling htfu? Why do not all the griefers htfu and choose a real opponent? Like shooting Goons out of their space or something. Oh wait, maybe there the enemies might fight back and the oh-so-hard destroyer pilots might be send home packing...
Why do you think that pressuring your idea of fun onto others is making them having fun too? I totally lack the time to do more than a couple hours of recreation in front of the PC a week. I like to spend those mining. I wonder who is the carebear here? Those who know they can grief with absolutely no risk or those who put weeks of gameplay on the line?
So go someplace else with your htfu... As stated before Risk/Reward/Punishment is blown totally out of proportion here.
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Aggressive Nutmeg
229
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:31:00 -
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Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded. I notice you're in a German corp. You're not this guy are you?
Also, your spelling is intolerable.
Double also, I'm not here to collect your tears. I think that sucks too. I'm just here to tell you to harden up and learn.
Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana. |
Jeremy Firewind
German Tactical Industry
0
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:34:00 -
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Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:
Also, your spelling is intolerable.
Double also, I'm not here to collect your tears. I think that sucks too. I'm just here to tell you to harden up and learn.
Well aren't you cute.. How many languages do you speak perfectly?
Picking on someone whos first language is not english is kinda lame.
But let me guess, you are just "hardening me up", aren't you? |
chris elliot
EG CORP Talocan United
2
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:38:00 -
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Shoulda been mining in a wormhole.
Because.... you know, no one in local means your totally safe to mine away. |
Red Rydah
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:40:00 -
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I find Hulkagddon a great experience for me as a player. Just because I can't fly my retriever does not mean I can't play the game. Understanding how Hulkageddon affects the market leads to profit if you know how to read the graphs. I also mine but not with my retriever.
Most importantly, you learn. A chance encounter with a player (I won't mention his name but he knows who he is) helped me understand how to build a better tank that will benefit me when I start getting serious about mission running. I also got a better understanding on what skills help with what kind of damage resistan on both shield and armor.
Ragequitting not only makes you look like a baby, it also means you lost the opportunity to learn from and experience this great game
RR |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
546
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:44:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Drake Draconis wrote:EVE Online requires the following things :
3: IQ Greater than 50 (Ok maybe 100) To be fair, 100 is the normalized average, and judging by EVE players' math and language skills, I'd say only a fifth of all players meet this requirement.
I yield to your awesome corp name and corrected information SAH! o7 ================ Get PAID FOR SPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152 |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
722
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:45:00 -
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Jeremy Firewind wrote: If everyone did just that, doing something else than mining, then you'd run out of ships to fly pretty fast. So do not tell me that I miss the point of the game entirely.
You are indeed slow.
Mining PLUS other things, not either exclusively. I don't know where you got the idea I said don't mine at all. you put words in my fingers and I don't like that at all.
And if we run out of those ships (which will absolutely never happen), that would be their problem then wouldn't it?
I don't even dare confront the rest of your post. All this for the first two sentences. We'd be here all night.
"Behold, as a wild ass in the desert, go I forth to my work." - Gurney Halleck |
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Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
546
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:45:00 -
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Jeremy Firewind wrote:Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:
Also, your spelling is intolerable.
Double also, I'm not here to collect your tears. I think that sucks too. I'm just here to tell you to harden up and learn.
Well aren't you cute.. How many languages do you speak perfectly? Picking on someone whos first language is not english is kinda lame. But let me guess, you are just "hardening me up", aren't you?
Why havn't you quit yet?
I mean you said you where leaving right?
So what the hell is taking so damn long? Quit already! ================ Get PAID FOR SPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152 |
Jeremy Firewind
German Tactical Industry
0
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:47:00 -
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Red Rydah wrote:I find Hulkageddon a great experience for me as a player. Just because I can't fly my retriever does not mean I can't play the game. Understanding how Hulkageddon affects the market leads to profit if you know how to read the graphs. I also mine but not with my retriever.
Most importantly, you learn. A chance encounter with a player (I won't mention his name but he knows who he is) helped me understand how to build a better tank that will benefit me when I start getting serious about mission running. I also got a better understanding on what skills help with what kind of damage resistance on both shield and armor.
Ragequitting not only makes you look like a baby, it also means you lost the opportunity to learn from and experience this great game
RR
If it did not take so long to get back on the feet, then maybe "ragequitting" would not be the option. As I usually have not more than 3-4 hours a week, we are talking about quite some time getting back into the ship.
That being said, after that time, I can have 3 guys in ships, that are earned in like 30 minutes blowing me up again. As I said, maybe I am a wuss, maybe I look like a baby. Maybe I just want to take my hard earned cash somewhere else for recreation. Geez. Same as I said before. Can't you imagine, that pressuring your idea of fun and entertainment onto someone else does not mean fun and entertainment for them? |
Jeremy Firewind
German Tactical Industry
0
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:49:00 -
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Drake Draconis wrote:Jeremy Firewind wrote:Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:
Also, your spelling is intolerable.
Double also, I'm not here to collect your tears. I think that sucks too. I'm just here to tell you to harden up and learn.
Well aren't you cute.. How many languages do you speak perfectly? Picking on someone whos first language is not english is kinda lame. But let me guess, you are just "hardening me up", aren't you? Why havn't you quit yet? I mean you said you where leaving right? So what the hell is taking so damn long? Quit already!
yawn, if I had some fish I'd really love to give it to you, since you have been such a nice troll |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
722
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:51:00 -
[34] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote: Can't you imagine, that pressuring your idea of fun and entertainment onto someone else does not mean fun and entertainment for them?
We've ALL been there. This is NOTHING new. It's been this way for 9 YEARS going.
It's something you have to think your way through.
And after May 29...................do whatever.
"Behold, as a wild ass in the desert, go I forth to my work." - Gurney Halleck |
A Lunchbox
Basgerin Pirate
18
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:51:00 -
[35] - Quote
What's a hulkageddon? XD
P.S. Cool story bro, pics or it didn't happen, **** or gtfo, etc. |
Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
101
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:52:00 -
[36] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote: The mechanic to punish you is easily circumvented by just deleting the toon. Rinse, repeat...
This is skilfull exactly where?
This is a valid point actually. It should be 1 toon per account. Grow a pair, don't hide behind recyclable alts.
Oh, and OP, Eve really isn't the game for you. |
Jeremy Firewind
German Tactical Industry
0
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:54:00 -
[37] - Quote
Maxpie wrote:Jeremy Firewind wrote: The mechanic to punish you is easily circumvented by just deleting the toon. Rinse, repeat...
This is skilfull exactly where?
This is a valid point actually. It should be 1 toon per account. Grow a pair, don't hide behind recyclable alts. Oh, and OP, Eve really isn't the game for you.
Yes I figured that one out by myself. Sadly I just renewed for another 3 months, so this will still be running for a while, but it's time to move on.
Thank you for your constructive post. |
Dodixie MarketSlave
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:54:00 -
[38] - Quote
Seriusly, I dont want to look harsh of something like that, but everybody knows and you knew before you sing up that EVE is a hardcore game. People plays eve because they can **** other people, PvP and there is no secure area. I mean High sec is highly situational... To sum up part of the EvE sucess as a game is because of it's ruthless nature, other way people would be playing softcore mmo's like WoW and etc. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
722
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:58:00 -
[39] - Quote
Dodixie MarketSlave wrote:Seriusly, I dont want to look harsh of something like that, but everybody knows and you knew before you sing up that EVE is a hardcore game. People plays eve because they can **** other people, PvP and there is no secure area. I mean High sec is highly situational... .
Yup. h'geddon is even fun.
I just don't like Goons.
"Behold, as a wild ass in the desert, go I forth to my work." - Gurney Halleck |
StonerPhReaK
Nasgul Collective Cascade Imminent
51
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:58:00 -
[40] - Quote
What are you doing losing ships in nullsec then complaining about losing an imaginary w/e it is you lost?
http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1306141
During hulkageddon the mails get posted extra fast. So stop trollin cuzz round here it aint fishin season.
Its HULKAGEDDON! |
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Jeremy Firewind
German Tactical Industry
0
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:58:00 -
[41] - Quote
Dodixie MarketSlave wrote:Seriusly, I dont want to look harsh of something like that, but everybody knows and you knew before you sing up that EVE is a hardcore game. People plays eve because they can **** other people, PvP and there is no secure area. I mean High sec is highly situational... To sum up part of the EvE sucess as a game is because of it's ruthless nature, other way people would be playing softcore mmo's like WoW and etc.
Yes but hardcore does also mean in my book that a certain rewarding situation (getting a kill, getting the lewt, getting the salvage) needs to come at a risk. These "ruthless" guys you are referring to are just the 12th grader you'd expect extorting the lunch money from a third grader....
No risk, all reward. Come on, is that so hard to see. These htfu yellers are the real carebears. Nothing hardcore here. |
Red Rydah
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:59:00 -
[42] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote: If it did not take so long to get back on the feet, then maybe "ragequitting" would not be the option. As I usually have not more than 3-4 hours a week, we are talking about quite some time getting back into the ship.
That being said, after that time, I can have 3 guys in ships, that are earned in like 30 minutes blowing me up again. As I said, maybe I am a wuss, maybe I look like a baby. Maybe I just want to take my hard earned cash somewhere else for recreation. Geez. Same as I said before. Can't you imagine, that pressuring your idea of fun and entertainment onto someone else does not mean fun and entertainment for them?
The sandbox concept of EVE Online someimes means you come across those who have a playstyle that will interfere with yours. This sometimes leads to loss, and loss is something you need to prepare for in EVE Online. It's not like STO. If you are careful, you can either avoid the loss altogether, or at least minimize the ISK. In short, one adapts.
With H5 magnifying that risk of loss by a factor of 100, perhaps you should have left that ship in dock and used H5 as an excuse to try something new. Who knows, you may have liked it. I guess you will never know now.
RR
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
722
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:59:00 -
[43] - Quote
I thought my long a**ed post would help you see that there is hope, but I guess not.
"Behold, as a wild ass in the desert, go I forth to my work." - Gurney Halleck |
Mallak Azaria
xX-Crusader-Xx
75
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:59:00 -
[44] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Katja Faith wrote:Hulka-what? So basically, you're a wuss and quit?
Gotcha. No I just don't see how 3 moronic griefers with no risk will make me mine for wweeks on end to get another Hulk. That is the point. And yes, maybe I am a wuss.
Because being blown up by CONCORD, losing sec status & knowing that some random person may possibly get the loot is zero risk.
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Jeremy Firewind
German Tactical Industry
0
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Posted - 2012.05.03 01:00:00 -
[45] - Quote
StonerPhReaK wrote:What are you doing losing ships in nullsec then complaining about losing an imaginary w/e it is you lost? http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1306141During hulkageddon the mails get posted extra fast. So stop trollin cuzz round here it aint fishin season.
Well I did what some other people told me to do. Looked around to see if I liked other parts of the game. Which i did not... |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
103
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Posted - 2012.05.03 01:00:00 -
[46] - Quote
Quote:it's YOUR fault you lost your Hulk
Gonna have to disagree with you there mate.
If you get robbed, it's not your fault. It's the robbers'. Cuz they did it.
Just like when a woman gets raped it's not her fault. It's the rapist's. Cuz he did it.
Even if you leave your door unlocked. Even if you passed out drunk at a party. It is still the criminal's fault. Cuz they did it.
This is why victims are never punished for the crimes they are victim to. Imagine the outcry if people went to prison for not locking their doors because they were judged to be "accomplices". I mean, after all, if they'd locked their door the thief would have never been able to commit that crime, right? It's not the thief's fault - he's just doing what thieves do, drawn by an "irresistible urge" to enter unguarded houses and pilfer them.
Now, I know some idiot is going to mention "tank your Hulk". People are ganking Orca's. Orca's have a wee little bit more EHP than a tanked Hulk. If Orca's aren't safe, then neither are tanked Hulk's.
Now, could he have done things to prevent the gank? Absolutely. Does that mean he's "at fault" for the gank? Absolutely not. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
722
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Posted - 2012.05.03 01:00:00 -
[47] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:These htfu yellers are the real carebears. Nothing hardcore here.
This we know. You were smart to figure that out.
"Behold, as a wild ass in the desert, go I forth to my work." - Gurney Halleck |
Jeremy Firewind
German Tactical Industry
0
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Posted - 2012.05.03 01:00:00 -
[48] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Jeremy Firewind wrote:Katja Faith wrote:Hulka-what? So basically, you're a wuss and quit?
Gotcha. No I just don't see how 3 moronic griefers with no risk will make me mine for wweeks on end to get another Hulk. That is the point. And yes, maybe I am a wuss. Because being blown up by CONCORD, losing sec status & knowing that some random person may possibly get the loot is zero risk.
Since these are not the main toons, but purpose built characters, yes 0 risk. |
StonerPhReaK
Nasgul Collective Cascade Imminent
51
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Posted - 2012.05.03 01:02:00 -
[49] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Jeremy Firewind wrote:Katja Faith wrote:Hulka-what? So basically, you're a wuss and quit?
Gotcha. No I just don't see how 3 moronic griefers with no risk will make me mine for wweeks on end to get another Hulk. That is the point. And yes, maybe I am a wuss. Because being blown up by CONCORD, losing sec status & knowing that some random person may possibly get the loot is zero risk. Since these are not the main toons, but purpose built characters, yes 0 risk.
You should train a few and have fun for a couple days. Ill supply your ships. |
Mallak Azaria
xX-Crusader-Xx
75
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Posted - 2012.05.03 01:02:00 -
[50] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Jeremy Firewind wrote:Katja Faith wrote:Hulka-what? So basically, you're a wuss and quit?
Gotcha. No I just don't see how 3 moronic griefers with no risk will make me mine for wweeks on end to get another Hulk. That is the point. And yes, maybe I am a wuss. Because being blown up by CONCORD, losing sec status & knowing that some random person may possibly get the loot is zero risk. Since these are not the main toons, but purpose built characters, yes 0 risk.
I underlined the part that contains risk, since you are unwilling to acknowledge it.
As a sidepoint, I've never understood how someone can enjoy mining in highsec. It's not like there's any real profit involved.
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StonerPhReaK
Nasgul Collective Cascade Imminent
51
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Posted - 2012.05.03 01:04:00 -
[51] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Jeremy Firewind wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Jeremy Firewind wrote:Katja Faith wrote:Hulka-what? So basically, you're a wuss and quit?
Gotcha. No I just don't see how 3 moronic griefers with no risk will make me mine for wweeks on end to get another Hulk. That is the point. And yes, maybe I am a wuss. Because being blown up by CONCORD, losing sec status & knowing that some random person may possibly get the loot is zero risk. Since these are not the main toons, but purpose built characters, yes 0 risk. I underlined the part that contains risk, since you are unwilling to acknowledge it. As a sidepoint, I've never understood how someone can enjoy mining in highsec. It's not like there's any real profit involved.
There actually is now since ccp swung the nerfbat in 2 directions. |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
103
|
Posted - 2012.05.03 01:04:00 -
[52] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Jeremy Firewind wrote:Katja Faith wrote:Hulka-what? So basically, you're a wuss and quit?
Gotcha. No I just don't see how 3 moronic griefers with no risk will make me mine for wweeks on end to get another Hulk. That is the point. And yes, maybe I am a wuss. Because being blown up by CONCORD, losing sec status & knowing that some random person may possibly get the loot is zero risk.
Risk involves an element of chance. There is no "chance" of being blown up by CONCORD - it's absolute. It's not a "risk". It would be a "risk" if there was a "chance" of it happening. But there isn't a "chance" of it happening - it will happen.
Losing sec status is also not a "risk", for the same reason that being blown up by CONCORD is not a risk.
As for the loot - my heart bleeds for you, it really does. God forbid that after you spent 30 seconds of effort to destroy someone's 250million ISK investment, someone might steal that 20mil pile of salvage from you.
Clearly you are the victim here. |
Mallak Azaria
xX-Crusader-Xx
75
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Posted - 2012.05.03 01:06:00 -
[53] - Quote
I love all these posts full of butthurt. It makes the whole venture worth it, so much more than the loot. |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
103
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Posted - 2012.05.03 01:08:00 -
[54] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:I love all these posts full of butthurt. It makes the whole venture worth it, so much more than the loot.
You were the one crying about losing 20 million ISK worth of salvage.
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Mallak Azaria
xX-Crusader-Xx
75
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Posted - 2012.05.03 01:10:00 -
[55] - Quote
Jacob Staffuer wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:I love all these posts full of butthurt. It makes the whole venture worth it, so much more than the loot. You were the one crying about losing 20 million ISK worth of salvage.
No I wasn't, I don't even get involved in suicide ganks. It is called sarcasm, young, angry carebear.
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Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
103
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Posted - 2012.05.03 01:14:00 -
[56] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Jacob Staffuer wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:I love all these posts full of butthurt. It makes the whole venture worth it, so much more than the loot. You were the one crying about losing 20 million ISK worth of salvage. No I wasn't, I don't even get involved in suicide ganks. It is called sarcasm, young, angry carebear.
Yeah, I picked up that you were trying to be sarcastic, but you ended up being ironic instead, because the things that you were saying sarcastically ended up being the actual truth, as I highlighted for you.
Now, ignoring your straw man "carebear" comment for a second, let's look instead at Exhibit A:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
I underlined the part that contains risk, since you are unwilling to acknowledge it.
I can just smell the angry tears pouring out of you at this point. "Why won't anyone listen to me!" |
Mallak Azaria
xX-Crusader-Xx
75
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Posted - 2012.05.03 01:16:00 -
[57] - Quote
Jacob Staffuer wrote: I can just smell the angry tears pouring out of you at this point. "Why won't anyone listen to me!"
I can't figure out what's making me laugh more. You or your posts
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Daemon Ceed
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
76
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Posted - 2012.05.03 01:17:00 -
[58] - Quote
Today my throat was so parched. Like I had been trudging through Death Valley all afternoon. I knew there was only one thing that could satisfactorily satiate me. Carebear tears. An entire 50 gal drum of them. Thank you, dear OP, for delivering me the life giving, sweet yet salty tears I desired.
What surprises me the most is that you where unable to make enough income to cover your losses with mineral prices being so high right now. Hell, I know people who don't even mine who are still making a KILLING off of minerals reprocessed from missions...which are significantly less in quantity than those obtained via mining.
I echo everything that has already been said here. The laws of natural selection have successfully culled you from the herd, and the remaining populace of New Eden is better because of it. Oh, one last thing. Don't let the airlock handle hit you on the way out, and wipe my pod goo off your chin. Post with your main or GTFO! If I responded to your thread, you're probably getting trolled. |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
103
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Posted - 2012.05.03 01:19:00 -
[59] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Empty posturing.
Oh good come back, broh. |
DR BiCarbonate
Basgerin Pirate
0
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Posted - 2012.05.03 01:22:00 -
[60] - Quote
What is love, baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more. |
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Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
104
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Posted - 2012.05.03 01:22:00 -
[61] - Quote
Daemon Ceed wrote:Today my throat was so parched. Like I had been trudging through Death Valley all afternoon. I knew there was only one thing that could satisfactorily satiate me. Carebear tears. An entire 50 gal drum of them. Thank you, dear OP, for delivering me the life giving, sweet yet salty tears I desired.
What surprises me the most is that you where unable to make enough income to cover your losses with mineral prices being so high right now. Hell, I know people who don't even mine who are still making a KILLING off of minerals reprocessed from missions...which are significantly less in quantity than those obtained via mining.
I echo everything that has already been said here. The laws of natural selection have successfully culled you from the herd, and the remaining populace of New Eden is better because of it. Oh, one last thing. Don't let the airlock handle hit you on the way out, and wipe my pod goo off your chin.
Oooh, that pod goo comment was a nice touch. The literal "icing on the cake". |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
723
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Posted - 2012.05.03 01:28:00 -
[62] - Quote
Jacob Staffuer wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:it's YOUR fault you lost your Hulk Gonna have to disagree with you there mate. If you get robbed, it's not your fault. It's the robbers'. Cuz they did it. Just like when a woman gets raped it's not her fault. It's the rapist's. Cuz he did it. Even if you leave your door unlocked. Even if you passed out drunk at a party. It is still the criminal's fault. Cuz they did it.
I know. This is the hard part to wrap one's mind around.
There is a key difference. Hulkageddon is an advertised event that most, not all, players are made aware of. There is fair warning.
They post rules. They list what ships will be killed. They post the length of time involved. They post what activities a player will be ganked doing.
At that point, a player has many options. They can stay docked up for the month. They can join in. They can do other things besides mine. They can quit.
Then the event happens, and consequences befall upon some.
IF a player chooses to mine, they are then quite aware, or should be, that they are taking a risk.
If unprepared, something bad may happen.
I mined 3 Orcas of Veld last night in a mission site with the Orca and 2 Hulks. I'm not discussing my tank in these Forums.
Ina .6 system, with a slightly better chance. Directional scanner properly tuned...and spammed it about every 30 seconds or whenever....looking for approaching probes...which is ALL you have to do. It's that simple.
Was I in danger...to a degree yes. But I took the risk. I KNEW what could happen.
In cases of ****, terrorism, school bullying and all that, there is no warning. Hear that....NO WARNING.
Was there fair warning before 9/11 ? No. That IS terrorism.
If a woman is molested that is indeed horrific and should send the perp to hell, forget jail. BUT, if someone were told there is a gang going around doing that for a month, and they will be in a particular area, do you not think the woman (or man, it happens) would not choose to take another path, or whatever ? It would be silly not to plan otherwise.
So, I took a risk to mine, knowing FULL WELL with fair warning what could happen.
This is in no way wrong.
In no way insidious.
I protected myself the best I could and made myself as aware as possible.
It's just another method of gameplay, and it's only temporary anyway.
One cannot even compare this to **** or terrorism or any of those things as there is the fair warning and more.
And a heck of a lot of money when you sell the minerals, for a change.
"Behold, as a wild ass in the desert, go I forth to my work." - Gurney Halleck |
Dodixie MarketSlave
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.03 01:30:00 -
[63] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Dodixie MarketSlave wrote:Seriusly, I dont want to look harsh of something like that, but everybody knows and you knew before you sing up that EVE is a hardcore game. People plays eve because they can **** other people, PvP and there is no secure area. I mean High sec is highly situational... To sum up part of the EvE sucess as a game is because of it's ruthless nature, other way people would be playing softcore mmo's like WoW and etc. Yes but hardcore does also mean in my book that a certain rewarding situation (getting a kill, getting the lewt, getting the salvage) needs to come at a risk. These "ruthless" guys you are referring to are just the 12th grader you'd expect extorting the lunch money from a third grader.... No risk, all reward. Come on, is that so hard to see. These htfu yellers are the real carebears. Nothing hardcore here.
I dont agree with all reward thing, you shoot a hulk blow it and you ship blows too... the ganker lose the ship fact. To make it profitable you need friends, to get the loot for you, other way someone can get it before you. And if friends are helping you, you have to share the loot with them all. Now how much isk can you make per hour with 1 hulk 20M-50M? depending on what you mine, and how much can you do per hour with 1 tornado, making missions??... I fly industrial ships too and until now I just got ganked once, just to compare the ganker lose the ship every time he goes for a target... we dont get ganked every day, they get concorded every time they go for it. For me seens to be fair enough. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
723
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Posted - 2012.05.03 01:31:00 -
[64] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:I can't figure out what's making me laugh more. You or your posts
TBH you are just posting cliched sh**posts we have all read a million times.
Boring and uncreative.
Thank you educational system for the current lack of simple word skills.
"Behold, as a wild ass in the desert, go I forth to my work." - Gurney Halleck |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
371
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Posted - 2012.05.03 02:50:00 -
[65] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:If everyone did just that, doing something else than mining, then you'd run out of ships to fly pretty fast. So do not tell me that I miss the point of the game entirely. No, then it would be profitable enough for us to mine. And since we understand how this game works, we wouldn't end up getting ganked like you do.
Jeremy Firewind wrote:What happens here is griefing par excellence. And this has nothing to do with htfu. Would you go and beat up a third grader, knock him sensless, knowing, he has no other possiblity to defend himself and then run around in the street yelling htfu? Why do not all the griefers htfu and choose a real opponent? Like shooting Goons out of their space or something. Oh wait, maybe there the enemies might fight back and the oh-so-hard destroyer pilots might be send home packing... Being a third-grader is something that's out of one's hands, while choosing to mine in high-sec is a conscious decision on your part. You could just as easily be one of the gankers, collecting loot and kill mails, and being on the top of the food chain. When you make the choice to devote yourself to an inferior activity, you only have yourself to blame. In EVE, everyone starts out as an equal. Your opportunities are similar to those of everyone else.
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Why do you think that pressuring your idea of fun onto others is making them having fun too? I totally lack the time to do more than a couple hours of recreation in front of the PC a week. I like to spend those mining. I wonder who is the carebear here? It doesn't really matter if anyone else is having fun, as long as you are. That is the nature of a competitive video game. In a game concentrated almost entirely on blowing things up, you seem to expect people to hug around the campfire. Why should we, exactly? The point of EVE is to do whatever it is you want to do. If I want to grow rich and powerful, and be feared by the masses, why shouldn't I trample all over you if you're in my way, and can't defend yourself? |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
725
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Posted - 2012.05.03 02:52:00 -
[66] - Quote
Destiny Corrupted wrote: If I want to grow rich and powerful, and be feared by the masses, why shouldn't I trample all over you if you're in my way, and can't defend yourself?
Now, THAT's an excellent example of Terrorism as I outlined above.
"Behold, as a wild ass in the desert, go I forth to my work." - Gurney Halleck |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
371
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Posted - 2012.05.03 02:57:00 -
[67] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote: If I want to grow rich and powerful, and be feared by the masses, why shouldn't I trample all over you if you're in my way, and can't defend yourself? Now, THAT's an excellent example of Terrorism as I outlined above. Our idea of "terrorism" might differ greatly from that of spacefaring societies twenty thousand years into the future. I never agree to bring real-life morality into MMO games when I sign up for them. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
726
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Posted - 2012.05.03 02:58:00 -
[68] - Quote
Destiny Corrupted wrote: I never agree to bring real-life morality into MMO games when I sign up for them.
But you bring all the RL Mentality into it.
And Morality does not drop out of existence just because it's virtual or electronic. Ask that Norwegian Charmer on trial about that.
"Behold, as a wild ass in the desert, go I forth to my work." - Gurney Halleck |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
371
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Posted - 2012.05.03 03:00:00 -
[69] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote: I never agree to bring real-life morality into MMO games when I sign up for them. But you bring all the RL Mentality into it. I'm still a human, and human instincts aren't abstract like morals are. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
726
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Posted - 2012.05.03 03:02:00 -
[70] - Quote
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
I'm still a human, and human instincts aren't abstract like morals are.
So you admit to acting on base animal instinct which involves your RL brain. God help us all.
And morals are not abstract, Otherwise we would have ALL killed each other off a million years ago. I pity you.
"Behold, as a wild ass in the desert, go I forth to my work." - Gurney Halleck |
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Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
331
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Posted - 2012.05.03 03:07:00 -
[71] - Quote
You will not be missed.
Good riddance. Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
373
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Posted - 2012.05.03 03:16:00 -
[72] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:
I'm still a human, and human instincts aren't abstract like morals are.
So you admit to acting on base animal instinct which involves your RL brain. God help us all. Yes.
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:And morals are not abstract, Otherwise we would have ALL killed each other off a million years ago. I pity you. Pack mentality is a subset of survival instinct. Throughout the ages, the only thing that changed was scope. Humans went from clans, to villages, to city-states, to countries, to nations. In fact, the same thing happened in EVE. Even after accounting for player base growth, the corporation, alliance, and fleet sizes are still significantly larger today than they were at all previous points.
By arguing that morality isn't abstract, you're not arguing against me as much as you are arguing against the entirely of the academic world, so I'm not bothered by this, and won't make an effort to address this in detail. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
728
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Posted - 2012.05.03 03:49:00 -
[73] - Quote
Henry Haphorn wrote:You will not be missed.
Good riddance.
Wrong thread oops ?
"Behold, as a wild ass in the desert, go I forth to my work." - Gurney Halleck |
Yaaar's Revenge
Reprisal. Infernal Creations
9
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Posted - 2012.05.03 04:02:00 -
[74] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:And I know that this will get trolled to hell and back. Hiding behind some Internet Avatar and flinging big words is easy, heh? Well this was my last reply here, fly safe.
Sorry, I think I misunderstood basic English.....doesn't that mean you don't respond after that? Or am I missing something here? Help me out guys....
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Kreeia Dgore
EntroPrelatial Industria
14
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Posted - 2012.05.03 05:56:00 -
[75] - Quote
I support healthy ganking. Killing those making some seriously stupid choices when fitting cheap ships with modules worth bilions, that is when ganking is justified and, above all, a good thing.
Killing 350m worth ship with 5m ship is absolutely different issue that needs fixing. Current ganking is simply too much in favour of the ganker, and needs some tinkering to find the balance again. The fact that current HAG has only minor impact on the market as a whole, that is ok, because in real HAG happens all the time since the destroyers got buffed.
So, healthy ganking yay, ant killing an elephant herd nay! |
Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
101
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Posted - 2012.05.03 05:58:00 -
[76] - Quote
StonerPhReaK wrote:Jeremy Firewind wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Jeremy Firewind wrote:Katja Faith wrote:Hulka-what? So basically, you're a wuss and quit?
Gotcha. No I just don't see how 3 moronic griefers with no risk will make me mine for wweeks on end to get another Hulk. That is the point. And yes, maybe I am a wuss. Because being blown up by CONCORD, losing sec status & knowing that some random person may possibly get the loot is zero risk. Since these are not the main toons, but purpose built characters, yes 0 risk. You should train a few and have fun for a couple days. Ill supply your ships.
Funny how if someone posts with an alt in the forums, people are outraged, but when they hide behind alts, and even recycle them, to escape in-game consequences, people don't even want to talk about it. |
Verte Sinkon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.05.03 06:29:00 -
[77] - Quote
Jacob Staffuer wrote:Quote:it's YOUR fault you lost your Hulk Gonna have to disagree with you there mate. If you get robbed, it's not your fault. It's the robbers'. Cuz they did it. Just like when a woman gets raped it's not her fault. It's the rapist's. Cuz he did it. Even if you leave your door unlocked. Even if you passed out drunk at a party. It is still the criminal's fault. Cuz they did it. This is why victims are never punished for the crimes they are victim to. Imagine the outcry if people went to prison for not locking their doors because they were judged to be "accomplices". I mean, after all, if they'd locked their door the thief would have never been able to commit that crime, right? It's not the thief's fault - he's just doing what thieves do, drawn by an "irresistible urge" to enter unguarded houses and pilfer them. Now, I know some idiot is going to mention "tank your Hulk". People are ganking Orca's. Orca's have a wee little bit more EHP than a tanked Hulk. If Orca's aren't safe, then neither are tanked Hulk's. Now, could he have done things to prevent the gank? Absolutely. Does that mean he's "at fault" for the gank? Absolutely not.
Was this posted seriously or in jest because I can't readily believe that somebody could think this was a good idea. |
Devore Sekk
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2012.05.03 06:48:00 -
[78] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.
This is Hulkageddon, and your Hulk loss doesn't appear on any killboards.
0/10. |
dave3NG
mgfc
13
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Posted - 2012.05.03 06:49:00 -
[79] - Quote
When I first played I remember doing support on mining ops, either protection or just running cargo between belts and POS, (and you think doing the mining bit is dull).
This time playing I did afk ice mining in highsec when I had a RL job where we had EVE PCs under our desks on KVMs, lost 1 mack ever (forgot we joined FW), and made plenty of ISK with zero skill or effort. You don't need knowledge of agression mechanics, scanning, or assessing targets from ship scans, and you don't need to play with anyone else (like an mmo should be played) and manage logistics.
I've not suicide ganked myself, but I'd happily see how easy it is. @OP, if you speak to me in game, I will buy us ships and we can go at it noob style see how far we get. |
Niko Takahashi
United Starbase Systems
37
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Posted - 2012.05.03 06:52:00 -
[80] - Quote
Vaal Erit wrote:Jeremy Firewind wrote:As I said, yes. These tears are what you after, have them. Risk/ Reward/Cost are totally out of whack here. Being capable to destroy a ship with a 100th of the isk in the "safer" empire space is just ridicoulus.
And I know that this will get trolled to hell and back. Hiding behind some Internet Avatar and flinging big words is easy, heh? Well this was my last reply here, fly safe. Nah, EVE is a skill based game with a strategic focus in that you have to plan out your ship fit strategy in advance. Being successful in EVE requires brains and skill not who swipes their credit card the most. You are looking for games under the category Pay2Win.
While the op is definitely a wuss there is absolutely no strategic element or tactical challenge in shooting a Hulk. Tried it but whoever says there is any skill in suicide ganks involved is lying through their teeth. |
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Hulkageddon Orphanage
1096
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Posted - 2012.05.03 08:56:00 -
[81] - Quote
Niko Takahashi wrote:Vaal Erit wrote:Jeremy Firewind wrote:As I said, yes. These tears are what you after, have them. Risk/ Reward/Cost are totally out of whack here. Being capable to destroy a ship with a 100th of the isk in the "safer" empire space is just ridicoulus.
And I know that this will get trolled to hell and back. Hiding behind some Internet Avatar and flinging big words is easy, heh? Well this was my last reply here, fly safe. Nah, EVE is a skill based game with a strategic focus in that you have to plan out your ship fit strategy in advance. Being successful in EVE requires brains and skill not who swipes their credit card the most. You are looking for games under the category Pay2Win. While the op is definitely a wuss there is absolutely no strategic element or tactical challenge in shooting a Hulk. Tried it but whoever says there is any skill in suicide ganks involved is lying through their teeth.
As someone that has failed miserably in most gank attempts I can speak from experience that you're wrong |
Eftsil Anninen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.03 09:24:00 -
[82] - Quote
got my hulk destroyed about 30 mins ago. I said to myself i ever my ship was killed by a player in highsec I would quit, sure i have more ships but thats not the point, I dont like pvp, I dont want to pvp, I should not be forced to pvp. simple as that. thankfully Diablo 3 is realesed in 12 days. I had the option to not pvp when i played WoW.
I do hope that CCP change this in the future because it is a nice game otherwise but they dont seem to care that much atm.
wish the best of luck to you all |
Alcatraz184
Angels of Valour G00DFELLAS
0
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Posted - 2012.05.03 09:41:00 -
[83] - Quote
Eftsil Anninen wrote:got my hulk destroyed about 30 mins ago. I said to myself i ever my ship was killed by a player in highsec I would quit, sure i have more ships but thats not the point, I dont like pvp, I dont want to pvp, I should not be forced to pvp. simple as that. thankfully Diablo 3 is realesed in 12 days. I had the option to not pvp when i played WoW.
I do hope that CCP change this in the future because it is a nice game otherwise but they dont seem to care that much atm.
wish the best of luck to you all
Firstly, as its explained everywhere... EVE Online is a sandbox game. Creating a truly safe place in a game which is all about "doing what ever you want" is fundamentally wrong.
Hypocrisy i believe is the correct term for this "i want to mine where you can not kill me" roughly translates too, "I want to do what I want to do, but at the same time prevent you from doing what you want to do".
There are preventative measures on both sides, hulks are hard to cut through solo in a 0.7 as concord turn up a little faster than in a 0.5
1. mine in a higher sec system, or quiet system, 2. stay aligned 3. watch directional scan 4. drag and drop ore as normal. |
Zelda Feegle
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.03 09:53:00 -
[84] - Quote
Evolution1979 wrote:did you really quit? I can help you out, i have a special hulkageddon replacement program. For just 150 mil i can replace your shot down hulk. Send it to me ingame, and link the killmail ingame to and i will replace it. This goes for every victim of hulkageddon ofcourse I have 37 hulks left to sell for cheap!
Tell you what, after you receive the killmail you make a contract of one of your cheap hulks to the ganked player for 150 mil isk and a hi sec destination they can pick it up from and players may believe you..... wait... silly me, your a Gewnie. Sorry Gewnie I nearly believed you. |
Jeremy Firewind
German Tactical Industry
2
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Posted - 2012.05.03 10:04:00 -
[85] - Quote
Alcatraz184 wrote: Firstly, as its explained everywhere... EVE Online is a sandbox game. Creating a truly safe place in a game which is all about "doing what ever you want" is fundamentally wrong.
Hypocrisy i believe is the correct term for this "i want to mine where you can not kill me" roughly translates too, "I want to do what I want to do, but at the same time prevent you from doing what you want to do".
There are preventative measures on both sides, hulks are hard to cut through solo in a 0.7 as concord turn up a little faster than in a 0.5
1. mine in a higher sec system, or quiet system, 2. stay aligned 3. watch directional scan 4. drag and drop ore as normal.
All good and valid points. It just should not be possible to gank that easily.
If say someone turned up in a Mega and wasted your Avatar, without you having a possibility to defend yourself, you'd cry on the forums too.
Too little put on the line for too much destroyed. Simple balance issue. I have no problem with being ganked in Highsec. I just think it should take more effort and cost to kill a tanked t2 ship than 3 destroyers.
This is somewhat like the removal of the doomsday in its early form. Too little effort was needed to destroy too much. Now you can still blow up a 500 man gang at once with bombs. Same result as triple doomsday, but takes way more effort (more players). See the difference? |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
374
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Posted - 2012.05.03 10:08:00 -
[86] - Quote
Eftsil Anninen wrote:got my hulk destroyed about 30 mins ago. I said to myself i ever my ship was killed by a player in highsec I would quit, sure i have more ships but thats not the point, I dont like pvp, I dont want to pvp, I should not be forced to pvp. simple as that. thankfully Diablo 3 is realesed in 12 days. I had the option to not pvp when i played WoW.
I do hope that CCP change this in the future because it is a nice game otherwise but they dont seem to care that much atm.
wish the best of luck to you all Yes, it's quite unfortunate that a game I'm planning to play will be filled with people of your kind. But it's okay, I'll find a way to make your lives miserable there as well, just like I did in WoW.
Also, you act as if ganking is some new thing that was just discovered last Thursday; it's not. The game was made with the full intent of the inclusion of this feature. |
Zelda Feegle
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.03 10:35:00 -
[87] - Quote
Quote:Jeremy Firewind
What happens here is griefing par excellence. And this has nothing to do with htfu. Would you go and beat up a third grader, knock him sensless, knowing, he has no other possiblity to defend himself and then run around in the street yelling htfu? Why do not all the griefers htfu and choose a real opponent? Like shooting Goons out of their space or something. Oh wait, maybe there the enemies might fight back and the oh-so-hard destroyer pilots might be send home packing...
Why do you think that pressuring your idea of fun onto others is making them having fun too? I totally lack the time to do more than a couple hours of recreation in front of the PC a week. I like to spend those mining. I wonder who is the carebear here? Those who know they can grief with absolutely no risk or those who put weeks of gameplay on the line?
So go someplace else with your htfu... As stated before Risk/Reward/Punishment is blown totally out of proportion here.
I feel for you hon but your quote above shows you don't understand the player base. Yes most of the gankers would do exactly that to the third graders as you put it. Just look at the hero worshipping Goonies and the recent Mittani incident that led to his temporary banning for the proof. The griefers and htfu players as you put it are also in a large part Gewnies also, so they wont go killing themselves thats one of their definite no, noes.
Being a carebear in a mining boat is no shame although many try to use it as an insult. Its just a different way of playing to the PVP players.
Problem is when you post like this they mostly will tell you the same thing, EVE is a sandbox, and as a sandbox players can play the game anyway they want to. But what they never say, or at least I have never read of any saying it, is that the sandbox lets them play the way they want to by denying players like you to play the game the way you want to.
Now unfortunately, or fortunately depending which side of the fence you sit on, at least one of the CCP overlords who run this sandbox was themselves a one time Goonie, so perhaps you can see a little now why the comments here are so detrimental to your post.
Those telling you to HTFU if you want to stay are being coarse but true. To stay in Eve, even as a carebear, and enjoy the game you wish to, your going to have to change your attitude to the playerbase and the game itself. As far as I can see at this time, the game seems to be moving towards a more hardline PVP direction than it has been for a while, at least in EU/US zone. So unless you can handle that, another game may be a better choice for your play style.
It will be a shame though if you or any other player leaves because of the Jita Burn/Hulkageddon/Ice interdictions, as yes the game loses subscriptions and also some of its kinder side, which it does have btw, but you need to dig deep to find it sometimes. Because we all add to the game.
Actually you don't need to worry about less and less carebears being around for all the above to harrass, punish unfairly, kill, maim, destroy as Eve seems to have a constant and slow expanding player base of all sorts.
I would suggest you take a little time out of the game if you need to, then return perhaps when things are a little quieter. Work on your defensive skills, if you intend to carry on mining. Start searching the forums for how to mine in hi sec in relative safety if thats where you plan to be and perhaps learn to mission, develop trading or PVP yourself with another character for some variety in your game play while the various Eve disruptions take place. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
374
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Posted - 2012.05.03 10:45:00 -
[88] - Quote
Zelda Feegle wrote:Problem is when you post like this they mostly will tell you the same thing, EVE is a sandbox, and as a sandbox players can play the game anyway they want to. But what they never say, or at least I have never read of any saying it, is that the sandbox lets them play the way they want to by denying players like you to play the game the way you want to. This goes in both directions. The sandbox allows us to play the way we want to by denying the carebears the ability to play the way they want to. The sandbox also ensures that when the carebears play the way they want to, they do so at the expense of our ability to play the way we want to (to be able to freely engage other players, to make sure that our kills have significance, and our loot has value). It is only natural that in a system like this, the more aggressive, violent side enjoys the bulk of success.
Coincidentally, this is also how real-life business, sports, et cetera work. Teams that just want to kick the ball around "in peace" don't take the trophies home, and companies that ignore the competition's attempts to drive them out of business quickly go bankrupt. |
Jeremy Firewind
German Tactical Industry
2
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Posted - 2012.05.03 10:56:00 -
[89] - Quote
Zelda Feegle wrote:A lot of interesting stuff.
Thank you for your lengthy reply. You just do not get my angle. see my above post about doomsdays. It is just too easy to wreak such substantial havoc. now I sit around and can basically do nothing. In essence this is a 45 bucks (3 months) for me down the drain. If that is how ccp intended to have the game played, then indeed I am wrong here.
This is just to much money I pay for a design flaw.
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Wuxi Wuxilla
Wuxi Corporation
15
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Posted - 2012.05.03 11:00:00 -
[90] - Quote
Quote:
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull.
I'm just going to leave this here...
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13257194 |
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
374
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Posted - 2012.05.03 11:09:00 -
[91] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Zelda Feegle wrote:A lot of interesting stuff. Thank you for your lengthy reply. You just do not get my angle. see my above post about doomsdays. It is just too easy to wreak such substantial havoc. now I sit around and can basically do nothing. In essence this is a 45 bucks (3 months) for me down the drain. If that is how ccp intended to have the game played, then indeed I am wrong here. This is just to much money I pay for a design flaw. Or you can, you know, get into a destroyer and go kill a Hulk. Have an alt/friend on standby to scoop the loot, make some money, and have some fun.
Well that pretty much explains it. Guy sticks two meta 0 small shield extenders and cargo expanders/rigs on his Hulk, mines in a .5, and then complains when his ship gets inevitably popped. If he used a proper EHP setup, not only would the ship still be alive, but he would have actually made money from the ore he was mining.
I have two questions for you, OP:
1. Do you mine for pure profit, or simply as a preferred activity in the game?
2. Do you think it's more viable to mine half as much in a ship that will never be ganked, or mine your theoretical maximum amount with exposure to nearly absolute risk? |
Jak'rat
Lion Investments
14
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Posted - 2012.05.03 11:12:00 -
[92] - Quote
OK, when you leave your house do you lock the door? Do you close the windows? Of course you do, the whole damned REAL WORLD is a PVP sandbox and just because you don't commit crime doesn't mean the crime won't come to you.
EVE is just the same, and it i s advertised as such. PVP. Sandbox. MMO. All of t hose phrases are really REALLY important. Plenty of people mine without getting ganked becauese they acknowledge that they are not in a single-player game, they take a little time and brain to shift the odds a bit. Gankers don't come for you personally (unless you're at war in which case mining is like wandering between the trenches in a bright yellow polkadot dress), so it's something you did or didnt do made you an easy target.
P.S. recycling alts to avoid the sec status consequences is bannable, so quit yapping about zero consequences.
The gankers risks certain destruction and certain sec loss for possible loot drops reward and definite lolz. The miner risks possible destruction and possible inconvenience for almost certain almost infinite ore rewards. Both make their choices, both roll the dice. Sometimes the hulk goes *pop* and the forums gain another tear post, sometimes there's just a belt with Concord, a bemused miner, and an embaressed blue wreck. Difference is I don't know anyone who quit becaues their carefully planned 100mill Tornado gank went sideways and they came out empty handed. "That's not a ship, it's a flying shotgun..." |
Hortense Sledgemallet
Hedion University Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2012.05.03 11:34:00 -
[93] - Quote
Yep......another example of how unbalanced game play and 12 year old tactics have screwed up this game.
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Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1125
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Posted - 2012.05.03 11:38:00 -
[94] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Zelda Feegle wrote:A lot of interesting stuff. Thank you for your lengthy reply. You just do not get my angle.
We "get your angle" dude, but you don't get ours. So here goes:
- You were not properly tanked. - You compounded this error by mining in a 0.5, making ganks very easy. - You didn't escape, which you could have done if you had taken evasive action (learn Dscan, local, etc)* - The "cost" of your setup is your own choice. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. - You're quitting after your first loss ... you were never made for this game
*If it takes me 20minutes on voice comms to teach new players in my corp how to mine safely in WH space with NO SODDING LOCAL CHANNEL then why in the hell can you not achieve the same in highsec.
Why did you make SO MANY MISTAKES to be mining in a barely tanked Hulk in a 0.5 system during one of the most published events on the eve calendar?
Cost does not equal survivability. Cost, is not balance.
If it were, then tell me why my stealth bomber can be one shot by a destroyer, or cruiser, and costs more than both?
You don't have an "angle" friend, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the game.
It's fine, you've finally been shown it and you're off out the door. Just don't go yelling at people and blaming them for your inability to teach yourself anything. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Zelda Feegle
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.03 11:43:00 -
[95] - Quote
[quote Jeremy Firewind]Zelda Feegle wrote:A lot of interesting stuff.
Quote:Thank you for your lengthy reply. You just do not get my angle. see my above post about doomsdays. It is just too easy to wreak such substantial havoc. now I sit around and can basically do nothing. In essence this is a 45 bucks (3 months) for me down the drain. If that is how ccp intended to have the game played, then indeed I am wrong here.
This is just to much money I pay for a design flaw.
Actually hon I do get your angle about cost versus loss and risk. You missed mine though. I was trying to show you that the rules as they stand at this time, no matter how you view the fairness of them, allow that to happen and did so when you joined.
One thing I do find strange is that you were mining while HG is on, in a .5 hi sec system. Even a tanked hulk is going to have problems in the long delay Concord takes to appear in .5.
Eve is dynamic and is constantly changing perhaps at some time they will change hi sec to make it safer. They could even end up putting a PVP flag switch for a player to change to sometime in the future. But my main chars who are Hulk and Orca pilots shudder at the thought of a WoW Eve.
As a point to examine in this game, remember you make millions of isk quite rapidly and a lot of that is due to the gank factor in the game, as the tonnage that is constantly being destroyed needs to be replaced and miners are the first in the chain that provides the raw materials. The millions you can make with relative ease have to have some risk and danger attached or there isn't really a lot of point to it all. Also make it too easy and too safe and the bots may flood the game destroying the economy for all, as has happened in many other MMO's.
My advice to you still stands, skill up to missioning if you don't want to pvp. Oh yes and ignore the canflipper ninja salvager who scans out your mission and goes red to you by stealing your stuff unless you want some PVP action. Or start trading, or look to joining a corp that mines with an alliance in 0:0. But rage or emo quitting isn't an answer. How do I know this? My partner and I have done it twice but this wicked game has pulled us back in each time, and I could cry over the year we have lost in Eve when we should have stayed and quitly skilled up. |
Miranda Fluffbunny
Black Company Merc's Wall of Shadow
2
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Posted - 2012.05.03 11:45:00 -
[96] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.
I wish you success finding a game more suited to you. I feel the same way. Not lost a hulk myself but I can already see that there's no point in continuing to mine and do industry as a new, low skilled player. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
374
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Posted - 2012.05.03 11:53:00 -
[97] - Quote
Miranda Fluffbunny wrote:I wish you success finding a game more suited to you. I feel the same way. Not lost a hulk myself but I can already see that there's no point in continuing to mine and do industry as a new, low skilled player. Yes there is, you're just completely clueless as to how to do it. |
Miranda Fluffbunny
Black Company Merc's Wall of Shadow
2
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Posted - 2012.05.03 12:11:00 -
[98] - Quote
Destiny Corrupted wrote:Miranda Fluffbunny wrote:I wish you success finding a game more suited to you. I feel the same way. Not lost a hulk myself but I can already see that there's no point in continuing to mine and do industry as a new, low skilled player. Yes there is, you're just completely clueless as to how to do it.
Could be. But I don't enjoy this game or the people playing it enough to bother figuring it out. |
lanyaie
277
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Posted - 2012.05.03 12:33:00 -
[99] - Quote
Are these real or fake tears?
Btw can I haz Sie stuff? I dont post often, but when I do i'm probably trolling you |
Dilligafmofo
Sandman Plc
84
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Posted - 2012.05.03 13:31:00 -
[100] - Quote
td:lr Greedy miner got ganked, cntinued on his greedy way, got ganked again, still greedy the third little piggy got ganked again.
All hulks, no lesson learned despite 3 teachings.
Should have flown a retriever greedy little piggy !! |
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Andrea Griffin
273
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Posted - 2012.05.03 13:46:00 -
[101] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:The mechanic to punish you is easily circumvented by just deleting the toon. Rinse, repeat... The practice of recycling alts to remove the security status penalty is considered an exploit. If you believe that someone is doing this then you should submit a petition. CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |
Dodixie MarketSlave
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.03 13:52:00 -
[102] - Quote
Eftsil Anninen wrote:got my hulk destroyed about 30 mins ago. I said to myself i ever my ship was killed by a player in highsec I would quit, sure i have more ships but thats not the point, I dont like pvp, I dont want to pvp, I should not be forced to pvp. simple as that. thankfully Diablo 3 is realesed in 12 days. I had the option to not pvp when i played WoW.
I do hope that CCP change this in the future because it is a nice game otherwise but they dont seem to care that much atm.
wish the best of luck to you all
LOLZ at this... If you dont like PvP why are you playing an full loot PvP game? I'm sorry but thats not wise. Fact if you play EvE you will lose ships no matter what. And there is a good side, at least for ship sellers.... :3 |
TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc Exhale.
20
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Posted - 2012.05.03 13:53:00 -
[103] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.
"tanked"
many lols were had ty mr troll |
Ehnea Mehk
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
25
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Posted - 2012.05.03 13:54:00 -
[104] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey, I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber. Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.
Jeremy, like yourself, I once expressed frustration at Hulkageddon, to the point of writing a poorly thought out forum post, of which I had to apologize to everyone for later after my CEO chatted with me. And yeah, I considered ragequitting too because the game mechanics allowed players to impact my own gameplay to the point of actually losing stuff. I've been ganked and podded by other players. I've had my missions objectives taken from me by other players who scanned down my room, too many times to keep track of. I've been WARDEC'd .....twice...by corporations many times my own corporation's size. I've been scammed for 2 million ISK during my first week here, by another player who took advantage of my naivity.
The only reason why I am still here is because my CEO told me two things. The first was that "Don't Fly What You Cannot Afford To Lose" saying others have already said to you in their replies. If you fly only what you can afford to lose, you are invincible. No one can hurt you, because you just rebuild and replace and pick up where you left off. This means of course you have to perhaps scale down your ambition a bit to cover your keyster, but I would argue losing a ship you cannot afford to replace is not worth undertaking the ambition in the first place.
The second thing, and this is VERY important, is that EVE Online is the only game to my knowledge that does not come with game content made by the developers. The players make their own game content: they do what they want to do, build what they want to build. That takes imagination, a bit of innovation and some risktaking, but it's what keeps EVE fresh after all this time.
I hope you find the MMO you will be happy with. I hear STO has gotten better since it's abysmal start 2 years ago. Perhaps that one is for you. You will get the big shiny ships easily with no risk. The players won't be able to meddle as you make millions and millions of resources. In the end you will be bored because, like any supplied game content, there is ultimately nothing left to do once you finish it. You will be frustrated and move on to something else. It's too bad someone didn't sit down with you to explain all of this, like someone once did for me.
Ehnea [url]http://odatrik.guildportal.com[/url] |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
107
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Posted - 2012.05.03 14:15:00 -
[105] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:I know. This is the hard part to wrap one's mind around.
There is a key difference. Hulkageddon is an advertised event that most, not all, players are made aware of. There is fair warning.
They post rules. They list what ships will be killed. They post the length of time involved. They post what activities a player will be ganked doing.
At that point, a player has many options. They can stay docked up for the month. They can join in. They can do other things besides mine. They can quit.
Then the event happens, and consequences befall upon some.
IF a player chooses to mine, they are then quite aware, or should be, that they are taking a risk.
If unprepared, something bad may happen.
I mined 3 Orcas of Veld last night in a mission site with the Orca and 2 Hulks. I'm not discussing my tank in these Forums.
Ina .6 system, with a slightly better chance. Directional scanner properly tuned...and spammed it about every 30 seconds or whenever....looking for approaching probes...which is ALL you have to do. It's that simple.
Was I in danger...to a degree yes. But I took the risk. I KNEW what could happen.
In cases of ****, terrorism, school bullying and all that, there is no warning. Hear that....NO WARNING.
Was there fair warning before 9/11 ? No. That IS terrorism.
If a woman is molested that is indeed horrific and should send the perp to hell, forget jail. BUT, if someone were told there is a gang going around doing that for a month, and they will be in a particular area, do you not think the woman (or man, it happens) would not choose to take another path, or whatever ? It would be silly not to plan otherwise.
So, I took a risk to mine, knowing FULL WELL with fair warning what could happen.
This is in no way wrong.
In no way insidious.
I protected myself the best I could and made myself as aware as possible.
It's just another method of gameplay, and it's only temporary anyway.
One cannot even compare this to **** or terrorism or any of those things as there is the fair warning and more.
And a heck of a lot of money when you sell the minerals, for a change.
Okay I'm going to dissect this post right here:
Terrorism Comments - Actually, you are 100% wrong here. By the very definition of the words, Hulkageddon is an act of terrorism and bullying.
Terrorism is the systematic use of terror, especially as a means of coercion. Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts which are intended to create fear (terror), are perpetrated for a religious, political or, ideological goal; and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (civilians).
Bullying is a form of aggressive behavior manifested by the use of force or coercion to affect others, particularly when the behavior is habitual and involves an imbalance of power. It can include verbal harassment, physical assault or coercion and may be directed repeatedly towards particular victims, perhaps on grounds of race, religion, gender, sexuality, or ability. The "imbalance of power" may be social power and/or physical power. The victim of bullying is sometimes referred to as a "target".
This is exactly what Hulkageddon is, on both counts. The fact that warnings are issued ("You better tank your Hulk.") ("You better not mine.") precisely and exactly make it an act of terrorism and bullying. Victims of terrorism and bullying are not to blame for terrorism and bullying. Terrorists and bullies are.
"Fair Warning" Comments - Actually, again 100% wrong. The ability to mitigate the risk of a crime does not change the fact that 100% of the responsibility falls on the perpetrator. If someone "warns" you that they're going to rob your house, this is indeed, legally, not considered "fair warning". It's considered a threat. Again, the victim is not to blame for the crime. The criminal is.
If someone gets ganked, they are not to blame. The ganker is. You can say everything you want about "risk" - the fact is, the only reason there is any "risk" involved is because of the direct actions of other players. Circular arguments are bad, mmkay?
I know, this is a hard one to wrap your mind around because EVE is suffering from a strange form of Darwin-invoking "Stockholme Syndrome" where somehow "might makes right"... but the reality is: The gankers are at fault.
Note that I am not "judging" anything to be right, or wrong, or that anything should be stopped or nerfed. |
Plekto
Aliastra Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.05.03 14:17:00 -
[106] - Quote
/old man mode on
When I started in 2006 with this game, mining was even more dangerous that it is now, since Concord essentially was possible to escape from and even tank with a good ship. You quickly learned two things that new players never seem to have learned:
1 - You absolutely must join a corporation if you plan on doing things as a newer player. Flying solo is something only very experienced players should do.
2 - Your fleet must always include mainline defenders. A typical mining corp back then was 30% PVP players who always flew a minimum of 1-2 ships to protect the miners. Even in high sec space. Flying solo would often get you kicked from a corp or you'd not be offered a replacement ship in any case for your own stupidity. Ninja mining aside, of course.
Nobody complained about miners as most mining was a corp-related activity and live players who were playing EVE. The idea of going AFK while mining was just something you never did.
Compare that to now. You see the problem. In fact, I'm not entirely sure how to solve this mess. But I do know that when it was more dangerous and Concord was not as silly as it is now, people were forced to play the game a lot more cautiously. |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
107
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Posted - 2012.05.03 14:22:00 -
[107] - Quote
Plekto wrote:/old man mode on
When I started in 2006 with this game, mining was even more dangerous that it is now, since Concord essentially was possible to escape from and even tank with a good ship. You quickly learned two things that new players never seem to have learned:
1 - You absolutely must join a corporation if you plan on doing things as a newer player. Flying solo is something only very experienced players should do.
2 - Your fleet must always include mainline defenders. A typical mining corp back then was 30% PVP players who always flew a minimum of 1-2 ships to protect the miners. Even in high sec space. Flying solo would often get you kicked from a corp or you'd not be offered a replacement ship in any case for your own stupidity. Ninja mining aside, of course.
Nobody complained about miners as most mining was a corp-related activity and live players who were playing EVE. The idea of going AFK while mining was just something you never did.
Compare that to now. You see the problem. In fact, I'm not entirely sure how to solve this mess. But I do know that when it was more dangerous and Concord was not as silly as it is now, people were forced to play the game a lot more cautiously.
Yeah compare that to now with specialized gankboats (Tier3 BCs) and Tech 2 items, which didn't exist back then. Having defenders in the belt doesn't matter when 2 vollies from a Tornado will destroy you. You can't even pre-emptively fire because of CONCORD. |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
107
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Posted - 2012.05.03 14:29:00 -
[108] - Quote
Dilligafmofo wrote:td:lr Greedy miner got ganked, cntinued on his greedy way, got ganked again, still greedy the third little piggy got ganked again.
All hulks, no lesson learned despite 3 teachings.
Should have flown a retriever greedy little piggy !!
Greedy miner yeah. Please refer yourself to the plethora of comments being made by gankers in this thread about their coveted T2 salvage drops. |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
107
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Posted - 2012.05.03 14:30:00 -
[109] - Quote
Quote:I wonder who is the carebear here? Those who know they can grief with absolutely no risk or those who put weeks of gameplay on the line?
Absolutely correct, which is why there has been some renaming done.
Gankers are the carebears.
Miners and Industrialists are hardbears. |
Miranda Fluffbunny
Black Company Merc's Wall of Shadow
3
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Posted - 2012.05.03 14:30:00 -
[110] - Quote
Jacob Staffuer wrote:
Okay I'm going to dissect this post right here:
Terrorism Comments - Actually, you are 100% wrong here. By the very definition of the words, Hulkageddon is an act of terrorism and bullying.
It's a game. Calling anything in it 'terrorism' is as sensible as calling carebears 'risk averse'. Neither makes any sense because nothing in Eve Online is really meaningful to a person who has perspective. |
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
377
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Posted - 2012.05.03 14:31:00 -
[111] - Quote
Jacob Staffuer wrote:Yeah compare that to now with specialized gankboats (Tier3 BCs) and Tech 2 items, which didn't exist back then. Having defenders in the belt doesn't matter when 2 vollies from a Tornado will destroy you. You can't even pre-emptively fire because of CONCORD. Tech 2 didn't exist in 2006? I beg to differ.
Also, ships and modules underwent two major "EHP" revisions, one that significantly boosted hull/armor/shield hit points, and one that reworked the stacking penalties. On top of that, pre-Tornado days meant that gankers had the benefit of full insurance payouts. |
Jeremy Firewind
German Tactical Industry
4
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Posted - 2012.05.03 14:32:00 -
[112] - Quote
TheGunslinger42 wrote:Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded. "tanked" many lols were had ty mr troll
Ahhh, who told you that :( Now I am found out. Hello C&P
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Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
107
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Posted - 2012.05.03 14:33:00 -
[113] - Quote
Destiny Corrupted wrote:Jacob Staffuer wrote:Yeah compare that to now with specialized gankboats (Tier3 BCs) and Tech 2 items, which didn't exist back then. Having defenders in the belt doesn't matter when 2 vollies from a Tornado will destroy you. You can't even pre-emptively fire because of CONCORD. Tech 2 didn't exist in 2006? I beg to differ. Also, ships and modules underwent two major "EHP" revisions, one that significantly boosted hull/armor/shield hit points, and one that reworked the stacking penalties. On top of that, pre-Tornado days meant that gankers had the benefit of full insurance payouts.
My heart bleeds for your loss of insurance payouts. |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
107
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Posted - 2012.05.03 14:34:00 -
[114] - Quote
Miranda Fluffbunny wrote:Jacob Staffuer wrote:
Okay I'm going to dissect this post right here:
Terrorism Comments - Actually, you are 100% wrong here. By the very definition of the words, Hulkageddon is an act of terrorism and bullying.
It's a game. Calling anything in it 'terrorism' is as sensible as calling carebears 'risk averse'. Neither makes any sense because nothing in Eve Online is really meaningful to a person who has perspective.
Except this is EVE. You'll learn soon enough that everything in EVE is sprsrsbzns. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
377
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Posted - 2012.05.03 14:34:00 -
[115] - Quote
Jacob Staffuer wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Jacob Staffuer wrote:Yeah compare that to now with specialized gankboats (Tier3 BCs) and Tech 2 items, which didn't exist back then. Having defenders in the belt doesn't matter when 2 vollies from a Tornado will destroy you. You can't even pre-emptively fire because of CONCORD. Tech 2 didn't exist in 2006? I beg to differ. Also, ships and modules underwent two major "EHP" revisions, one that significantly boosted hull/armor/shield hit points, and one that reworked the stacking penalties. On top of that, pre-Tornado days meant that gankers had the benefit of full insurance payouts. My heart bleeds for your loss of insurance payouts. And my heart bleeds for your loss of VALUABLE MINING SHIP. |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
107
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Posted - 2012.05.03 14:36:00 -
[116] - Quote
Destiny Corrupted wrote:Jacob Staffuer wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Jacob Staffuer wrote:Yeah compare that to now with specialized gankboats (Tier3 BCs) and Tech 2 items, which didn't exist back then. Having defenders in the belt doesn't matter when 2 vollies from a Tornado will destroy you. You can't even pre-emptively fire because of CONCORD. Tech 2 didn't exist in 2006? I beg to differ. Also, ships and modules underwent two major "EHP" revisions, one that significantly boosted hull/armor/shield hit points, and one that reworked the stacking penalties. On top of that, pre-Tornado days meant that gankers had the benefit of full insurance payouts. My heart bleeds for your loss of insurance payouts. And my heart bleeds for your loss of VALUABLE MINING SHIP.
Thank you for that comment. It very nicely illustrates the imbalance in ganking that the removal of insurance payouts was intended to (at least partially) correct. It also nicely illustrates how, even with said removal, ganking is still imbalanced. Yar! |
Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
149
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Posted - 2012.05.03 14:38:00 -
[117] - Quote
not really siding with the carebear but times like this, Eve would be more exciting if there were more consequences for things like this. ganks and scams are pretty boring these days as everyone and their mother does them now. they are not unuique. adding more consequences would slow them down and make them more exciting when they do happen On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton where the dripping patchouli was more than scent, It was a sun-á |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
107
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Posted - 2012.05.03 14:40:00 -
[118] - Quote
Lyron-Baktos wrote:not really siding with the hardbear but times like this, Eve would be more exciting if there were more consequences for things like this. ganks and scams are pretty boring these days as everyone and their mother does them now. they are not unuique. adding more consequences would slow them down and make them more exciting when they do happen
FTFY.
Otherwise, I agree. |
uwai223
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Fatal Ascension
43
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Posted - 2012.05.03 14:42:00 -
[119] - Quote
Maxpie wrote:Jeremy Firewind wrote: The mechanic to punish you is easily circumvented by just deleting the toon. Rinse, repeat...
This is skilfull exactly where?
This is a valid point actually. It should be 1 toon per account. Grow a pair, don't hide behind recyclable alts. Oh, and OP, Eve really isn't the game for you.
Recycling characters characters to avoid the negative consequences of low sec status is a bannable offense, also biomassing a character takes a while (2-5 days I think).
Also OP, you're ******* terrible.
That terribe Person wrote:Yeah compare that to now with specialized gankboats (Tier3 BCs) and Tech 2 items, which didn't exist back then. Having defenders in the belt doesn't matter when 2 vollies from a Tornado will destroy you. You can't even pre-emptively fire because of CONCORD.
You moronspeople seem to forget that the same mechanic that is used against you can also be used against gankers. We are required by our constitution to let the voters think they have a choice. That's democracy! |
Jeremy Firewind
German Tactical Industry
4
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Posted - 2012.05.03 14:44:00 -
[120] - Quote
uwai223 wrote:Maxpie wrote:Jeremy Firewind wrote: The mechanic to punish you is easily circumvented by just deleting the toon. Rinse, repeat...
This is skilfull exactly where?
This is a valid point actually. It should be 1 toon per account. Grow a pair, don't hide behind recyclable alts. Oh, and OP, Eve really isn't the game for you. Recycling characters characters to avoid the negative consequences of low sec status is a bannable offense, also biomassing a character takes a while (2-5 days I think). Also OP, you're ******* terrible.
Aww come on. not THAT terrible. I'd give myself a 6/10 since I kept a straight face and was somewhat productive in the ensuing discussion |
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
51
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Posted - 2012.05.03 15:01:00 -
[121] - Quote
chris elliot wrote:Shoulda been mining in a wormhole.
Because.... you know, no one in local means your totally safe to mine away. I've got a bookmark I can sell him...
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
Kan'loch Lacoud
The Jita Interdiction Defence Force
12
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Posted - 2012.05.03 15:11:00 -
[122] - Quote
I am sorry you feel this way OP.
Posts like this are why I believe that a unified force of pilots has to be established to combat this griefing lifestyle, the raids on innocent miners and the pillaging of trade hubs like Jita.
I hope that in the future I can help protect or at least alleviate these kinds of actions through the Defence Force, if you would like to give EVE a second chance I would be more than willing to aid you in any way possible and give you the opportunity to join the Force.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=103089 |
Plekto
Aliastra Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.05.03 15:28:00 -
[123] - Quote
One of my points was that the average player looking for a cheap kill would leave alone (and still do for the most part) players in corporate mining operations. That is, operations that include a full compliment of miners and haulers and defense ships.
A couple of ships chewing away at some rocks without any fleet protection is what is the target, obviously. That sort of behavior is stupid and used to be called ninja mining for a reason.
The solution is simple - get some guns to protect yourself. And some ECM to nerf that guy's lock. If they only get one volley off before their systems are shut down, the miners survive. A small ship with a fast lock that has the enemy passively targeted is a good solution. Wait for them to attack, and then the same deal. No lock or no cap means no damage. Since they have a 6-7 second volley time, that's plenty of time to mess with their fun.
Lots of things come to mind,some more dangerous than others, of course. But they all require active players playing the game. |
Tikera Tissant
33
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Posted - 2012.05.03 15:30:00 -
[124] - Quote
This is your ship on flames. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13257194
If is not a tanked hulk. Its design to max cargo yield, and not for hulkaggedon. Especially not in 0.5.
You lost your ship because you did something wrong basically. You had a tank of a 5M isk hull, not of a 300M isk ship. That is your mistake. So no wonder you lost your ship.
You can easily change that setup for a real tank by sacrificing your cargo capacity, and you might even survive a single talos or tornado gank with some implants in 0.5.
EvE is a harsh space. Live accordingly or lose your $$, that is your choice. |
Plekto
Aliastra Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.05.03 15:59:00 -
[125] - Quote
Solo in 0.5 in a mining ship. That's the definition of ninja mining, quite literally. Choosing a mining barge or similar ship to do it in is simply poor judgement.
Trying to turn it into forum fodder for more nerfs and penalties is just poor gamesmanship. |
Jeremy Firewind
German Tactical Industry
4
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Posted - 2012.05.03 16:15:00 -
[126] - Quote
Plekto wrote:Solo in 0.5 in a mining ship. That's the definition of ninja mining, quite literally. Choosing a mining barge or similar ship to do it in is simply poor judgement.
Trying to turn it into forum fodder for more nerfs and penalties is just poor gamesmanship, because I say so and you have to like to play the game like I do.
FTFY |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
601
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Posted - 2012.05.03 16:17:00 -
[127] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.
The Hulk is an INDUSTRIAL ship. It is not designed to be able to stand up to ships designed for combat operations (such as destroyers) especially if they are working in tandem.
Every time there is some dumb**** that can't fathom that barges and exhumers aren't designed for the capability to ward off multiple attackers, especially if they are fit properly.
Then again, you were probably one of those AFK miners that doesn't pay attention to Local, D-Scan or your Overview. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1126
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Posted - 2012.05.03 16:52:00 -
[128] - Quote
Jacob Staffuer wrote:Yeah compare that to now with specialized gankboats (Tier3 BCs) and Tech 2 items, which didn't exist back then. Having defenders in the belt doesn't matter when 2 vollies from a Tornado will destroy you. You can't even pre-emptively fire because of CONCORD. a) Ganking is now less cost effective than ever, due to insurance nerfs. No one uses tornados, it's blaster boats. b) You can (and always have been able to) warp out pre-emtively. c) You can mine in more cost effective ships d) If you did want to "pre-emtively" fire, you can lock the incoming gank ships in a Scorpion with racial jammers and hit them with ECM as soon as they GCC. They won't be outputting much damage then.
You basically mis-represented the actual situation with every word you spouted. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Jeremy Firewind
German Tactical Industry
4
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Posted - 2012.05.03 16:54:00 -
[129] - Quote
Jack Carrigan wrote:Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded. The Hulk is an INDUSTRIAL ship. It is not designed to be able to stand up to ships designed for combat operations (such as destroyers) especially if they are working in tandem. Every time there is some dumb**** that can't fathom that barges and exhumers aren't designed for the capability to ward off multiple attackers, especially if they are fit properly. Then again, you were probably one of those AFK miners that doesn't pay attention to Local, D-Scan or your Overview.
No I was not, it just takes ages to pick up speed and warp. aligning all the time is quite impossible due to low range of the lasers.
what you said would be true, if one really could field a defense. yet eves mechanics do not allow for something like that. even if you had two friends in rifters backing you up, they could do nothing before the agressors shot first. and since they come in kamikaze like there is nothing left to for your Escort but to watch you explode. |
Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
546
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Posted - 2012.05.03 16:58:00 -
[130] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Jack Carrigan wrote:Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded. The Hulk is an INDUSTRIAL ship. It is not designed to be able to stand up to ships designed for combat operations (such as destroyers) especially if they are working in tandem. Every time there is some dumb**** that can't fathom that barges and exhumers aren't designed for the capability to ward off multiple attackers, especially if they are fit properly. Then again, you were probably one of those AFK miners that doesn't pay attention to Local, D-Scan or your Overview. No I was not, it just takes ages to pick up speed and warp. aligning all the time is quite impossible due to low range of the lasers. what you said would be true, if one really could field a defense. yet eves mechanics do not allow for something like that. even if you had two friends in rifters backing you up, they could do nothing before the agressors shot first. and since they come in kamikaze like there is nothing left to for your Escort but to watch you explode.
You obviously dont know what your doing if you think like that.
How the hell do you think people in WHS/0.0 survive with thinking like that?
It's called align to a warp point and be ready to go...its called watch local...its called tank for a fight and less on cargo...its called use an orca....its called have a fleet near by.
Its called use your head and start thinking before you click that undock button.
If you AFK Mining...then your brain dead to be sure and deserve to get ganked. ================ Get PAID FOR SPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152 |
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Rond Dorlezahn
Tri Star Industries Li3 Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.05.03 17:01:00 -
[131] - Quote
Really, avoiding the situation you're in is not that hard. You can kick and scream all you want, but CCP isn't gonna change the game just for you, man. I've been mining off and on all through Hulkageddon, but I do it thus:
1. Find a system on the star map that hasn't had any ship deaths in the last hour, and very few in 24hrs 2. Fit my miner with heavy tank, not cargohold cap(You can get away with this in some systems, but NOT a dangerous .5) 3. As soon as I'm in the belt, align to station. This is the big one, and it is NOT "impossible due to the short range of the lasers", as this is how the vast majority of smart miners do it. If you are not aligned while mining, you are mining wrong. ESPECIALLY in Hulkageddon. 4. Monitor every single person who comes into Local, check their sec status, age, and corp 5. Switch belts semi-frequently, just in case
I'm willing to be that you didn't do any of these things. It sucks when you lose an expensive ship, truly. But quitting the game isn't the solution: It is to pick yourself up, rethink things, and take the first step toward earning back your Hulk. You can say that I'm "Telling you how to play the game" or some ridiculous bs, but the more civil folk in this thread are just trying to tell you the safest way to mine in a hulk. It's a specialist ship, and requires special attention to keep it alive. |
Plekto
Aliastra Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.05.03 17:20:00 -
[132] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Plekto wrote:Solo in 0.5 in a mining ship. That's the definition of ninja mining, quite literally. Choosing a mining barge or similar ship to do it in is simply poor judgement.
Trying to turn it into forum fodder for more nerfs and penalties is just poor gamesmanship, because I say so and you have to like to play the game like I do. FTFY
I made no statements about how you have to play the game. Anyone can do whatever you want. But taking a Hulk solo into 0.5 is just plain asking for trouble to come calling. Complaining that your own stupidity is not the problem but the game is, is by definition poor gamesmanship. It's no different than playing a board game and tossing the board on the floor and stomping away saying that you don't like a certain rule.
He did something incredibly risky and paid the price. It's certainly not worth him venting his speen and calling for changes to the game. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
212
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Posted - 2012.05.03 17:30:00 -
[133] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:
Also, your spelling is intolerable.
Double also, I'm not here to collect your tears. I think that sucks too. I'm just here to tell you to harden up and learn.
Well aren't you cute.. How many languages do you speak perfectly? Picking on someone whos first language is not english is kinda lame. But let me guess, you are just "hardening me up", aren't you?
I speak 3 languages perfectly and I think your usage of English is awful. Ask me anything. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
4
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Posted - 2012.05.03 18:28:00 -
[134] - Quote
Got love stupid carebears crying over Hulkageddon. L2P, HTFU and welcome to EvE Online. |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
866
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Posted - 2012.05.03 18:42:00 -
[135] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.
Hulkageddon made me subscribe
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
108
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Posted - 2012.05.03 18:54:00 -
[136] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Jacob Staffuer wrote:Yeah compare that to now with specialized gankboats (Tier3 BCs) and Tech 2 items, which didn't exist back then. Having defenders in the belt doesn't matter when 2 vollies from a Tornado will destroy you. You can't even pre-emptively fire because of CONCORD. a) Ganking is now less cost effective than ever, due to insurance nerfs. No one uses tornados, it's blaster boats. b) You can (and always have been able to) warp out pre-emtively. c) You can mine in more cost effective ships d) If you did want to "pre-emtively" fire, you can lock the incoming gank ships in a Scorpion with racial jammers and hit them with ECM as soon as they GCC. They won't be outputting much damage then. You basically mis-represented the actual situation with every word you spouted.
I heard ECM is very effective against high alpha.
Translation: You're an idiot. Read my other posts to see where I've already covered everything you said, and then stop posting. |
Dirk Decibel
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
26
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Posted - 2012.05.03 19:12:00 -
[137] - Quote
Don't forget to mention you quit because of the poor balance between cost of Hulks and cost of ganking ships when CCP inquires when you quit.
If enough ppl do it CCP will rebalance and THEN you'll have some tears on the forums. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
916
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Posted - 2012.05.03 19:29:00 -
[138] - Quote
Dirk Decibel wrote:Don't forget to mention you quit because of the poor balance between cost of Hulks and cost of ganking ships when CCP inquires when you quit. If enough ppl do it CCP will rebalance and THEN you'll have some tears on the forums.
TBH, it's the industrialists own damn fault that combat ships are so cheap... |
Daemon Ceed
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
77
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Posted - 2012.05.03 19:37:00 -
[139] - Quote
Dirk Decibel wrote:Don't forget to mention you quit because of the poor balance between cost of Hulks and cost of ganking ships when CCP inquires when you quit. If enough ppl do it CCP will rebalance and THEN you'll have some tears on the forums.
And you wonder why we gank you, eh? It's because you cry like little whiny babies to CCP when your precious little ship gets popped. I know people like you are not all too familiar with specialized T2 ships, but did you also know that Black Ops BS's that cost billions have paper thin tanks, too? I mean, really friggen thin. But, they have a very specialized role, just like a Hulk does. You sacrifice something for that specialization.
Mining barges are not built for tanking. They are built for friggen MINING you idiot. That's what they are good at. If you want something that can tank, convert your stupid BS into a mining ship. You'll look like a fool, but you won't be sui-ganked quite as easily.
If you want to protect your Hulk there are some very easy things to do with a little bit of support, half of a brain, and understanding of game mechanics. Perhaps mining is the best thing for you to stick to though, since you barely have enough mental capacity to not drool like a head trauma victim or soil yourself. Post with your main or GTFO! If I responded to your thread, you're probably getting trolled. |
Daemon Ceed
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
77
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Posted - 2012.05.03 19:40:00 -
[140] - Quote
Velicitia wrote:Dirk Decibel wrote:Don't forget to mention you quit because of the poor balance between cost of Hulks and cost of ganking ships when CCP inquires when you quit. If enough ppl do it CCP will rebalance and THEN you'll have some tears on the forums. TBH, it's the industrialists own damn fault that combat ships are so cheap...
Have you even checked the prices of combat ships lately?? A feckin Hurricane was selling on average in Jita for 48mil. Twice the price it was several months ago. Prices of minerals and speculation are most to blame. Next time you feel like opening your mouth, just don't. It makes you look like a complete moron. Post with your main or GTFO! If I responded to your thread, you're probably getting trolled. |
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qDoctor Strangelove
Beware of the Red Fox
15
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Posted - 2012.05.03 19:41:00 -
[141] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.
Holy ****.. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13257194 You have 2 small T1 un-named Shield Extenders. 1 T1 Inv.field 1 T1 no-named Small shield booster. 2 cargo rigs 2 Expanded Cargo Holds?
No wonder you exploded? WHERE did you put your Damage Control II unit? WHERE did you have your medium Shield Extender rigs? WHERE the HELL did you have your better-than-crap shield extenders? And seriously.. did you sit still in the belt, or were you moving?
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Velicitia
Open Designs
916
|
Posted - 2012.05.03 19:50:00 -
[142] - Quote
Daemon Ceed wrote:Velicitia wrote:Dirk Decibel wrote:Don't forget to mention you quit because of the poor balance between cost of Hulks and cost of ganking ships when CCP inquires when you quit. If enough ppl do it CCP will rebalance and THEN you'll have some tears on the forums. TBH, it's the industrialists own damn fault that combat ships are so cheap... Have you even checked the prices of combat ships lately?? A feckin Hurricane was selling on average in Jita for 48mil. Twice the price it was several months ago. Prices of minerals and speculation are most to blame. Next time you feel like opening your mouth, just don't. It makes you look like a complete moron.
Yup, the mineral prices are finally returning to a more "normal" price (though trit is quite high), and thus the ships are following.
As for the "market" ... meh, gets too expensive once you start to consider hauling and fuel costs. It's just easier to build stuff where I need it. |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
108
|
Posted - 2012.05.03 19:55:00 -
[143] - Quote
qDoctor Strangelove wrote:Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded. Holy ****.. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13257194You have 2 small T1 un-named Shield Extenders. 1 T1 Inv.field 1 T1 no-named Small shield booster. 2 cargo rigs 2 Expanded Cargo Holds? No wonder you exploded? WHERE did you put your Damage Control II unit? WHERE did you have your medium Shield Extender rigs? WHERE the HELL did you have your better-than-crap shield extenders? And seriously.. did you sit still in the belt, or were you moving?
YEAH!
WHY DIDN'T YOU FIT EXPENSIVE LOOT FOR THE GANKERS TO SALVAGE?! |
Daemon Ceed
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
77
|
Posted - 2012.05.03 19:57:00 -
[144] - Quote
Jacob Staffuer wrote:qDoctor Strangelove wrote:Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded. Holy ****.. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13257194You have 2 small T1 un-named Shield Extenders. 1 T1 Inv.field 1 T1 no-named Small shield booster. 2 cargo rigs 2 Expanded Cargo Holds? No wonder you exploded? WHERE did you put your Damage Control II unit? WHERE did you have your medium Shield Extender rigs? WHERE the HELL did you have your better-than-crap shield extenders? And seriously.. did you sit still in the belt, or were you moving? YEAH! WHY DIDN'T YOU FIT EXPENSIVE LOOT FOR THE GANKERS TO SALVAGE?!
T2 modules, while not as cheap as T1, would've been much cheaper than the cost of losing his Hulk could've very well prevented the gank, even if just by a small margin.
But by your logic, I shouldn't even tank my combat PVP ships, because it'll just give my enemies moar to loot! lulz. Post with your main or GTFO! If I responded to your thread, you're probably getting trolled. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3039
|
Posted - 2012.05.03 20:04:00 -
[145] - Quote
Jacob Staffuer wrote: YEAH!
WHY DIDN'T YOU FIT EXPENSIVE LOOT FOR THE GANKERS TO SALVAGE?!
you're so poor you actually consider a dcII expensive loot
god man maybe i'll throw you a million isk or so when i get home that's bad even for a worthless highsec peasant |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
108
|
Posted - 2012.05.03 20:13:00 -
[146] - Quote
Daemon Ceed wrote:Jacob Staffuer wrote:qDoctor Strangelove wrote:Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded. Holy ****.. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13257194You have 2 small T1 un-named Shield Extenders. 1 T1 Inv.field 1 T1 no-named Small shield booster. 2 cargo rigs 2 Expanded Cargo Holds? No wonder you exploded? WHERE did you put your Damage Control II unit? WHERE did you have your medium Shield Extender rigs? WHERE the HELL did you have your better-than-crap shield extenders? And seriously.. did you sit still in the belt, or were you moving? YEAH! WHY DIDN'T YOU FIT EXPENSIVE LOOT FOR THE GANKERS TO SALVAGE?! T2 modules, while not as cheap as T1, would've been much cheaper than the cost of losing his Hulk could've very well prevented the gank, even if just by a small margin. But by your logic, I shouldn't even tank my combat PVP ships, because it'll just give my enemies moar to loot! lulz.
PvP =/= Hulkageddon. You're trying to troll but just making yourself look ignorant.
You tank a PvP ship to survive longer in order to deal damage.
A mining ship has no chance of destroying gankers (at least not before CONCORD arrives) so there's no point in tanking it. If they want you dead you will die. Even the most hardtanked Hulk will fall to 4 blasterboats. T2 modules will just increase the amount of ISK you lose will providing the gankers with more ISK per gank.
This is exactly why you guys are trying to encourage miners to fit tanks.
Instead, miners should fit the cheapest Covetors they can. T1 lasers, no modules except survey scanner, and just dock when gankboats appear on D-Scan. |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
10
|
Posted - 2012.05.03 20:19:00 -
[147] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.
You aren't alone, we had 14 in our alliance cancel. They say they will come back in a month or two, but we will see. Screw CCP for allowing these ***pirates to gank and for making such a poorly designed mining ship. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3039
|
Posted - 2012.05.03 20:27:00 -
[148] - Quote
Jacob Staffuer wrote: A mining ship has no chance of destroying gankers (at least not before CONCORD arrives) so there's no point in tanking it. If they want you dead you will die.
my pathetically impoverished friend, allow me to clue you in: by surviving until concord arrives, you destroy the ganker
if you fit a proper tank, you survive and the ganker dies
i hope this has been helpful to you in explaining the value of a tank |
Fendre
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
|
Posted - 2012.05.03 20:38:00 -
[149] - Quote
And now for something completely different:
I got to this thread because today i got my retriever blown up in a suicide gank and i dont understand it.
I truly wonder why someone wants to waste a destroyer class ship to concord in order to blow up my mining ship? What is the fun in that?
That ship with the strip miners and things cost me about 13 m isk. I can afford that easily. No problem. I wont lose a moment of sleep over it. In fact, i have already replaced it. I just didnt expect it., because i dont see the point why anyone wants to destroy his own ship in order to blow up mine. Just like that. Nothing more.
As there are so many childish people posting here, this seems to be the good place to ask why you are doing this.
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Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
109
|
Posted - 2012.05.03 20:39:00 -
[150] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Jacob Staffuer wrote: A mining ship has no chance of destroying gankers (at least not before CONCORD arrives) so there's no point in tanking it. If they want you dead you will die.
my pathetically impoverished friend, allow me to clue you in: by surviving until concord arrives, you destroy the ganker if you fit a proper tank, you survive and the ganker dies i hope this has been helpful to you in explaining the value of a tank
I don't generally bother arguing with Gewns (I can remote rep shields but I can't fix Gewnstupid), but I'll nibble:
If Orca's, which have more base HP than a Hulk's tanked HP are being destroyed, then tanking becomes irrelevant because all it takes is just an extra 1 or 2 blasterboats and you're dead.
I hope this has been helpful to you in explaining why tanking mining barges is dumb. |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3039
|
Posted - 2012.05.03 20:45:00 -
[151] - Quote
Jacob Staffuer wrote: I don't generally bother arguing with Gewns (I can remote rep shields but I can't fix Gewnstupid), but I'll nibble:
If Orca's, which have more base HP than a Hulk's tanked HP are being destroyed, then tanking becomes irrelevant because all it takes is just an extra 1 or 2 blasterboats and you're dead.
I hope this has been helpful to you in explaining why tanking mining barges is dumb.
i can't tell if you're actually this dumb or if you're trolling, but given you're history i'm leaning towards the former
if you are harder to gank you will be ganked less often
now granted, if you're the sort of staffueresque moron who cries so much when you get ganked gankers simply must kill you then you'll die, of course, but otherwise you will die far less often if you've managed to figure out how to tank your hulk than if you are a staffuereque moron who can't figure out how |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3039
|
Posted - 2012.05.03 20:46:00 -
[152] - Quote
Fendre wrote:And now for something completely different:
I got to this thread because today i got my retriever blown up in a suicide gank and i dont understand it.
I truly wonder why someone wants to waste a destroyer class ship to concord in order to blow up my mining ship? What is the fun in that?
That ship with the strip miners and things cost me about 13 m isk. I can afford that easily. No problem. I wont lose a moment of sleep over it. In fact, i have already replaced it. I just didnt expect it., because i dont see the point why anyone wants to destroy his own ship in order to blow up mine. Just like that. Nothing more.
As there are so many childish people posting here, this seems to be the good place to ask why you are doing this.
its fun |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
109
|
Posted - 2012.05.03 20:49:00 -
[153] - Quote
As predicted, the Gewn can't refute my argument, so he just resorts to insults.
In other news:
Clearly this guy should have tanked his Hulk. He would have totally survived if he had some - oh wait.
INB4 "derp derp"
Unrelated, but funny. |
Verte Sinkon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
|
Posted - 2012.05.03 21:00:00 -
[154] - Quote
At http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13263199 :
Actually, he only took 3742 damage. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3039
|
Posted - 2012.05.03 21:01:00 -
[155] - Quote
"if someone wants to kill me enough nothing is going to stop them, ergo i'm going to walk through a warzone in shorts and a t-shirt" - a thing Jacob Staffuer , noted for his complete lack of brain damage, actually believes |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3039
|
Posted - 2012.05.03 21:02:00 -
[156] - Quote
ahahahahahahaha are you serious you don't get how killmails work do you
that npc rat sure did all that damage at once didn't it
also that's a staffueresque tank five destroyers was hilarious overkill |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3039
|
Posted - 2012.05.03 21:03:00 -
[157] - Quote
that is a horrendous tank and that person deserved the ganking they recieved |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
110
|
Posted - 2012.05.03 21:03:00 -
[158] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:"if someone wants to kill me enough nothing is going to stop them, ergo i'm going to walk through a warzone in shorts and a t-shirt" - a thing Jacob Staffuer , noted for his complete lack of brain damage, actually believes
No actual argument? Okay then. Don't let the door hit you on the way out and make sure to wipe my goo off your chin before you kiss your mom goodnight later.
Or don't. |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
110
|
Posted - 2012.05.03 21:04:00 -
[159] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:ahahahahahahaha are you serious you don't get how killmails work do you that npc rat sure did all that damage at once didn't it also that's a staffueresque tank five destroyers was hilarious overkill
Just goes to show that not being AFK is a better defense than a good tank.
Since, y'know, 5 destroyers is considered overkill for a target with 40k HP.
Which is exactly my argument. Death is only 1 extra gunboat away.
Thanks for proving my points for me o/. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3040
|
Posted - 2012.05.03 21:10:00 -
[160] - Quote
greetings,
allow me to explain how killmails work to you, a person who certainly does not have brain damage
you see, killmails include all the damage done over any length of time: this perticular killmail has the hulk perma-tanking an npc rat
that npc rat has been doing a constant amount of damage for hours, which is counteracted by the shield regen
however, when the Staffuer-tanked hulk is killed, all that damage (that doesn't at all contribute to the gank) is listed
this is why anyone without severe brain damage would subtract the npc rat damage from the 'total damage done'
seperately anyone who knows how to tank a hulk would roll over laughing at the idea 4 small shield extenders with no invulns or hardeners, no dcII, no reinforced bulkheads, and cargo rigs and expanders was a tank |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3040
|
Posted - 2012.05.03 21:11:00 -
[161] - Quote
Jacob Staffuer wrote:Weaselior wrote:"if someone wants to kill me enough nothing is going to stop them, ergo i'm going to walk through a warzone in shorts and a t-shirt" - a thing Jacob Staffuer , noted for his complete lack of brain damage, actually believes No actual argument? Okay then. Don't let the door hit you on the way out and make sure to wipe my goo off your chin before you kiss your mom goodnight later. Or don't. arguments are wasted on those too dumb to understand them: instead, the dumb are subjected to mockery and used as an example to others who might not understand the issue and their Staffueresque flailing and embarassment used to drive home why one ought not eat paint chips |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3040
|
Posted - 2012.05.03 21:16:00 -
[162] - Quote
for those who have not eaten paint chips: sure, if you irritate a group of gankers by acting like you're people you'll probably get ganked no matter what your tank is
if you have a respectable tank, however, the average ganking team - which is one or two people - will just go gank the people who took Staffuer's advice and decided a tank was unnecessary and rack up a ton more kills in the same time, and ignore you. after all, using five ships to take you down means four less killmails for those fifteen minutes |
Rond Dorlezahn
Tri Star Industries Li3 Federation
3
|
Posted - 2012.05.03 21:24:00 -
[163] - Quote
Hahaha, wow.
Just wow. |
Mr Kobb
Professional Losers
4
|
Posted - 2012.05.03 21:28:00 -
[164] - Quote
ahaha.... ahahha, oh wait, your serious. AHAHHAHAHAHAHHHA |
Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
68
|
Posted - 2012.05.03 21:30:00 -
[165] - Quote
If you're in a low population system you can watch local and dock when it spikes. The gankers will need a lot more than 3 thrashers to take down a properly tanked hulk or an Orca. You see local go up be smart and dock up. Really would only work in a low population system though. |
Rond Dorlezahn
Tri Star Industries Li3 Federation
3
|
Posted - 2012.05.03 21:34:00 -
[166] - Quote
Danks wrote:If you're in a low population system you can watch local and dock when it spikes. The gankers will need a lot more than 3 thrashers to take down a properly tanked hulk or an Orca. You see local go up be smart and dock up. Really would only work in a low population system though.
Which, if you're mining in .5, it damn well better be. |
Daemon Ceed
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
77
|
Posted - 2012.05.03 21:40:00 -
[167] - Quote
Yes. Shield recharge is an amazing thing isn't it? Sweet baby Jesus, if I was to sit there and tanked dps from a teensy Blood frigate for 12hrs before finally getting ganked by a couple high dps destroyers it would say total damage taken was several million on a Hulk. Post with your main or GTFO! If I responded to your thread, you're probably getting trolled. |
Rond Dorlezahn
Tri Star Industries Li3 Federation
3
|
Posted - 2012.05.03 21:41:00 -
[168] - Quote
Clearly Blood frigs are OP, right Jacob? |
Daemon Ceed
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
78
|
Posted - 2012.05.03 21:49:00 -
[169] - Quote
Rond Dorlezahn wrote:Clearly Blood frigs are OP, right Jacob?
Totally OP. Why should a 9,000 ISK bounty blood frig be able to do 40K dmg to my...Hulk...oh wait
Post with your main or GTFO! If I responded to your thread, you're probably getting trolled. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
290
|
Posted - 2012.05.03 23:08:00 -
[170] - Quote
I'm going to ask what may be a possibly dumb question: Why mine in highsec? Lowsec is virtually abandoned, and can usually be found within a few jumps of the major trading lanes. The abandonment makes it really easy to keep an eye on local. Concord seems like poor protection compared to quick wits, a good understanding of local and a safespot or a station. |
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Joran Dravius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
|
Posted - 2012.05.04 01:54:00 -
[171] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. And your hulk can easily avoid him if you don't play AFK and have the slightest clue what you're doing.
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. The first rule of Eve is to never fly what you can't afford to lose. The second rule is that there are no safe zones. The third is that everyone except your friends are out to get you if you're lucky, and sometimes your friends are too.
Jeremy Firewind wrote: Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber. No, you choosing the wrong game without finding out about it gained CCP some free money they shouldn't have had. Next time pay attention to what you randomly subscribe to. You clearly didn't know that Eve is Darwin's wet dream, despite all the marketing and almost every post on the forum indicating such. |
Plekto
Aliastra Gallente Federation
13
|
Posted - 2012.05.04 02:01:00 -
[172] - Quote
Because you can't use a bot to mine in low. That damage he took (previous KM) is basically a rat chewing on him for several hours. Obvious bot in use.
About "tanking".
You do realize that there are other ways to tank than shields and armor? If the enemy can't lock you or has no cap after the first volley, its over for them. Why is this important? Because all of the enemies know that it takes two volleys in 4 or 5 of these destroyers to get the job done.
You're down to low armor after the first volley and then... ... .... Concord finishes them, since no ganker usually fits ECCM on these ships. (note - a passive targeter is key here so they don't know you have ECM/jammers/etc fitted)
Note - for more advanced tactics, you could use a stealth bomber as support. Unlock, target your Hulk (all in less than a second) and fire off a void bomb. You might lose the bomber, but you'd certainly end up getting the gankers killed by concord as it would make their caps all drop to 0. Since their weapons take 4 or 5 seconds to cycle, you have enough time to pull this off.
And these are just off the top of my head. There are TONS of things you can do to protect yourself. You just have to do so (#1 is to get into a corp with PVPers along for the ride) |
Joran Dravius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
|
Posted - 2012.05.04 02:05:00 -
[173] - Quote
That is not how you tank. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1374
|
Posted - 2012.05.04 02:06:00 -
[174] - Quote
OP, when you are too stupid to do anything else in this game, you gank.
Because gankers are the stupidest of the stupid, they are easily avoided if you are a miner. When you quit, it's because you are either, entitled, lazy, or somehow even more retarted than the average ganker.
Shame on you.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
378
|
Posted - 2012.05.04 02:07:00 -
[175] - Quote
Plekto wrote:Because you can't use a bot to mine in low. That damage he took (previous KM) is basically a rat chewing on him for several hours. Obvious bot in use.
About "tanking".
You do realize that there are other ways to tank than shields and armor? If the enemy can't lock you or has no cap after the first volley, its over for them. Why is this important? Because all of the enemies know that it takes two volleys in 4 or 5 of these destroyers to get the job done.
You're down to low armor after the first volley and then... ... .... Concord finishes them, since no ganker usually fits ECCM on these ships. (note - a passive targeter is key here so they don't know you have ECM/jammers/etc fitted)
Note - for more advanced tactics, you could use a stealth bomber as support. Unlock, target your Hulk (all in less than a second) and fire off a void bomb. You might lose the bomber, but you'd certainly end up getting the gankers killed by concord as it would make their caps all drop to 0. Since their weapons take 4 or 5 seconds to cycle, you have enough time to pull this off.
And these are just off the top of my head. There are TONS of things you can do to protect yourself. You just have to do so (#1 is to get into a corp with PVPers along for the ride) I know you mean well, but damn, your understanding of game mechanics is a bit low.
A few quick pointers: projectiles don't need cap to fire (blasters do, but Catalysts aren't the exclusive gank boats); a passive targeter doesn't prevent the gankers knowing what you have fitted; you can't fire bombs in high-sec. |
AmIDeadyet
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
4
|
Posted - 2012.05.04 02:08:00 -
[176] - Quote
I hear PVP happened. I approve. |
Maximilian Jenious
The Scope Gallente Federation
5
|
Posted - 2012.05.04 02:11:00 -
[177] - Quote
hi
no they say you in this post that ganker have a brain ;).
They don't see how big it is but they certainly have one.
One thing is sure, they prefere to be kill in high sec by concorde than in low / null sec by other player with a real brain.
It"s more exciting to kill a noob in high sec barge / exhumer than to kill an experimented warrior in low / null sec with a fighting ship .....
fly safe ;) |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
378
|
Posted - 2012.05.04 02:21:00 -
[178] - Quote
Maximilian Jenious wrote:hi
no they say you in this post that ganker have a brain ;).
They don't see how big it is but they certainly have one.
One thing is sure, they prefere to be kill in high sec by concorde than in low / null sec by other player with a real brain.
It"s more exciting to kill a noob in high sec barge / exhumer than to kill an experimented warrior in low / null sec with a fighting ship .....
fly safe ;) You're silly, the grand majority of gankers are null vets themselves. But I can see how a person who's never been to null would romanticize it as some kind of Mos Eisleyesque PvP heaven. |
Plekto
Aliastra Gallente Federation
13
|
Posted - 2012.05.04 02:25:00 -
[179] - Quote
Yes, gankers don't always need cap to fire, but sometimes they fly ships with other weapons on them that require cap (especially in low sec). You could fire off a lock breaker or something else and the time it takes them to realize what happened and re-lock manually the barge(s) are in warp. Of course the bomber gets reamed most likely by the now very angry gankers. I mentioned this as the person before me mentioned low sec. I didn't mention that this was a low sec only tactic. My bad.
But the previous tactic in high of nerfing one or two ships damage by jamming them is valid. There's a whole skill tree and sub-section in the market for ECM and ECCM. That hardly anyone uses it is their problem. It's the best defense a miner has.
It all depends. That's my point - there are always things you can do to protect yourself in high low, or 0. You just have to NOT be AFK. |
Ketov Aktar
Grey Wolff Valhalla demolition and industrial
2
|
Posted - 2012.05.04 02:43:00 -
[180] - Quote
Destiny Corrupted wrote:Drake Draconis wrote:EVE Online requires the following things :
3: IQ Greater than 50 (Ok maybe 100) To be fair, 100 is the normalized average, and judging by EVE players' math and language skills, I'd say only a fifth of all players meet this requirement.
That is be nice. |
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Johan March
EVE University Ivy League
0
|
Posted - 2012.05.04 04:53:00 -
[181] - Quote
If the OP is still around, may I suggest buying a couple of plexes, selling them, buying a new hulk and then buy a destroyer. Then go take part in hulkageddon from the other side. Or if ganking isn't your thing, buy and fit a bunch of t1 frigs, head into losec and fight until you lose them all. If you end up hating pvp, then you can use what you've learned in keeping your hulks, orcas, and whatnot alive in hisec. |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
|
Posted - 2012.05.04 05:02:00 -
[182] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.
Dude...it's pixels. You're no daisy...you're no daisy at all! |
Kaaeliaa
Frikt Ikke
14
|
Posted - 2012.05.04 05:11:00 -
[183] - Quote
So long, OP.
The rest of us miners with half a brain will carry on without you, I'm sure.
Seriously, how hard is it to fit a tank, or, GASP, do something else during Hulkageddon? I hate this event with every fiber of my being and the game mechanics that make it possible but I know better than to undock in a mining barge unless I'm 100% sure no one else is around. Sheesh. |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
11
|
Posted - 2012.05.04 05:13:00 -
[184] - Quote
No More Heroes wrote:Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded. Dude...it's pixels.
If it is just pixels then why do the gankbears shed so many tears at the thought of hulks getting a decent tank. Waaahhh, I don't want to pvp, I am too much a coward for that, I want to gank mining ships exploiting the fact that they cannot defend themselves and their fleetmates cannot shoot first, Waaahhhh. Cowards the lot of you. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
379
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:40:00 -
[185] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:If it is just pixels then why do the gankbears shed so many tears at the thought of hulks getting a decent tank. Waaahhh, I don't want to pvp, I am too much a coward for that, I want to gank mining ships exploiting the fact that they cannot defend themselves and their fleetmates cannot shoot first, Waaahhhh. Cowards the lot of you. Well then, why don't you take up pvp yourself and show us who's boss? |
Ketov Aktar
Grey Wolff Valhalla demolition and industrial
2
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:16:00 -
[186] - Quote
This IS a sandbox Beware of the Cat Turds!! Just sayin....
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Kassandra Thiesant
Plastic Knives
1
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:22:00 -
[187] - Quote
I didn't know ships could be blown up in this game, what in the hell? |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:12:00 -
[188] - Quote
Destiny Corrupted wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:If it is just pixels then why do the gankbears shed so many tears at the thought of hulks getting a decent tank. Waaahhh, I don't want to pvp, I am too much a coward for that, I want to gank mining ships exploiting the fact that they cannot defend themselves and their fleetmates cannot shoot first, Waaahhhh. Cowards the lot of you. Well then, why don't you take up pvp yourself and show us who's boss?
I don't mine so if you want to try to gank one of my characters, bring lots of friends. I have done alot of pvp in the past with my oldest character dating to June, 2003, but now I prefer exploration, wormholes, incursions and lvl 4 and 5s. But I am not afraid of bloated bigmouths like you. I just think people who target mining vessels are bottom feeders who lack courage. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
379
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:16:00 -
[189] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:If it is just pixels then why do the gankbears shed so many tears at the thought of hulks getting a decent tank. Waaahhh, I don't want to pvp, I am too much a coward for that, I want to gank mining ships exploiting the fact that they cannot defend themselves and their fleetmates cannot shoot first, Waaahhhh. Cowards the lot of you. Well then, why don't you take up pvp yourself and show us who's boss? I don't mine so if you want to try to gank one of my characters, bring lots of friends. I have done alot of pvp in the past with my oldest character dating to June, 2003, but now I prefer exploration, wormholes, incursions and lvl 4 and 5s. But I am not afraid of bloated bigmouths like you. I just think people who target mining vessels are bottom feeders who lack courage. I didn't say I want to gank one of your characters. I just said that you should go and kill the people you perceive are doing wrong, especially since they're cowards, and you're not. Otherwise, claiming that they don't want to pvp because they're cowards just makes you a hypocrite. |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:29:00 -
[190] - Quote
Destiny Corrupted wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:If it is just pixels then why do the gankbears shed so many tears at the thought of hulks getting a decent tank. Waaahhh, I don't want to pvp, I am too much a coward for that, I want to gank mining ships exploiting the fact that they cannot defend themselves and their fleetmates cannot shoot first, Waaahhhh. Cowards the lot of you. Well then, why don't you take up pvp yourself and show us who's boss? I don't mine so if you want to try to gank one of my characters, bring lots of friends. I have done alot of pvp in the past with my oldest character dating to June, 2003, but now I prefer exploration, wormholes, incursions and lvl 4 and 5s. But I am not afraid of bloated bigmouths like you. I just think people who target mining vessels are bottom feeders who lack courage. I didn't say I want to gank one of your characters. I just said that you should go and kill the people you perceive are doing wrong, especially since they're cowards, and you're not. Otherwise, claiming that they don't want to pvp because they're cowards just makes you a hypocrite.
Ok, well sorry if I inferred something you didn't imply. Well the problem with gankers is that you can't pvp them. You can't do anything to them in advance, thats why they are cowards. They attack only ships who can't do anything but die. If they became killable to your fleet for target locking a member, that would be at least something. They do not want to pvp, they want to grief. Even if they got a week cooldown aggro time in empire space for ganking to make them killable by anyone so we could hunt them, I would enjoy that immensely. |
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Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
112
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:34:00 -
[191] - Quote
Remember kids, tanking your ships makes you safe because Hulkageddon is limited to groups of 2 Catalysts.
Total Damage Taken: 19,722 Involved parties: 9
Right?
Total Damage Taken: 55,143
If you have a lot of HP, you're totally safe and won't be ganked.
Total Damage Taken: 62,199
Nobody is going after high-HP targets because it's simply not worth the trouble.
Total Damage Taken: 59,782
So remember kids, fit those expensive T2 tank modules. You won't become a juicy killmail. I promise. Someone in GoonSwarm said so.
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Goran Konjich
University of Caille Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:36:00 -
[192] - Quote
what i liked in this thread dr;ntl is that someone said "pixels" <= great ...
,and what i didn't like is why no one of experienced players didn't give a reasonable and viable solution how to defend your hulk from 4-5 gankers ... i know there are couple of methods but why not hear those couple ?
thx
ETA: oh yes ... you can fly covetors and retrievers they are totally safe in hulkageddon |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:40:00 -
[193] - Quote
Goran Konjich wrote:what i liked in this thread dr;ntl is that someone said "pixels" <= great ...
,and what i didn't like is why no one of experienced player didn't give a reasonable and viable solution how to defend your hulk for 4-5 gankers ... i know there are couple of methods but why not hear those couple ?
thx
ETA: oh yes ... you can fly covetors and retrievers they are totally safe in hulkageddon
There really is no safe method to defend your hulk. You could use logistical support but they would just bring more friends to defeat it. Gankbears are very determined to grief and collect tears. People say to stay aligned and moving, well that sounds like a pita to me. I can't imagine it to be easy to mine while moving. CCP needs to counter this grief mechanic, so many options available to them and yet they do nothing but pander to botttom feeders. |
Cannibal Kane
Praetorian Cannibals
353
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:51:00 -
[194] - Quote
Those are not suicides though. So what's your point? The first one is the other not. I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist.
The Crazy African |
Tara Read
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
39
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:59:00 -
[195] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.
I'll tell ya what. I will give you 300 million isk if you agree to a very graphic and dirty roleplay in private chat with me. This may include various humiliating things that not even Brazilian models with relations with other species would be inclined to perform but for me it is worth every isk.
If not well then I'm sorry you were too stupid to mine anyways. As a matter of fact actually no I've changed my mind. Humiliating you would be like humiliating Hellen Keller except she could actually groan out a proper Hulk fitting if she had to.
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No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:03:00 -
[196] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:If it is just pixels then why do the gankbears shed so many tears at the thought of hulks getting a decent tank. Waaahhh, I don't want to pvp, I am too much a coward for that, I want to gank mining ships exploiting the fact that they cannot defend themselves and their fleetmates cannot shoot first, Waaahhhh. Cowards the lot of you. Well then, why don't you take up pvp yourself and show us who's boss? I don't mine so if you want to try to gank one of my characters, bring lots of friends. I have done alot of pvp in the past with my oldest character dating to June, 2003, but now I prefer exploration, wormholes, incursions and lvl 4 and 5s. But I am not afraid of bloated bigmouths like you. I just think people who target mining vessels are bottom feeders who lack courage.
Capsuleers need to combat eco-terrorism on all levels. There's nothing worse than warping into a belt to enjoy the beautiful serenity of space to find it littered with Giant Secure Containers named: all manner of vile and profane things. Even worse when they are named: 1122,2233,3344 because you know these rock hungry mongrels are going from belt to belt in coordinated effort to strip mine that entire region. The once majestic asteroids of that pristine pocket reduced to rubble and ashes.
We will beat our plowshares into swords and fight to the very last Tornado! You're no daisy...you're no daisy at all! |
Tara Read
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
39
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:08:00 -
[197] - Quote
No More Heroes wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:If it is just pixels then why do the gankbears shed so many tears at the thought of hulks getting a decent tank. Waaahhh, I don't want to pvp, I am too much a coward for that, I want to gank mining ships exploiting the fact that they cannot defend themselves and their fleetmates cannot shoot first, Waaahhhh. Cowards the lot of you. Well then, why don't you take up pvp yourself and show us who's boss? I don't mine so if you want to try to gank one of my characters, bring lots of friends. I have done alot of pvp in the past with my oldest character dating to June, 2003, but now I prefer exploration, wormholes, incursions and lvl 4 and 5s. But I am not afraid of bloated bigmouths like you. I just think people who target mining vessels are bottom feeders who lack courage. Capsuleers need to combat eco-terrorism on all levels. There's nothing worse than warping into a belt to enjoy the beautiful serenity of space to find it littered with Giant Secure Containers named: all manner of vile and profane things. Even worse when they are named: 1122,2233,3344 because you know these rock hungry mongrels are going from belt to belt in coordinated effort to strip mine that entire region. The once majestic asteroids of that pristine pocket reduced to rubble and ashes. We will beat our plowshares into swords and fight to the very last Tornado!
You know you can turn that sh&t off in your overview? Sigh....
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Cpt Roghie
2
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:10:00 -
[198] - Quote
Bye! Why?
Because I can.
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Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
111
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:29:00 -
[199] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Dodixie MarketSlave wrote:Seriusly, I dont want to look harsh of something like that, but everybody knows and you knew before you sing up that EVE is a hardcore game. People plays eve because they can **** other people, PvP and there is no secure area. I mean High sec is highly situational... To sum up part of the EvE sucess as a game is because of it's ruthless nature, other way people would be playing softcore mmo's like WoW and etc. Yes but hardcore does also mean in my book that a certain rewarding situation (getting a kill, getting the lewt, getting the salvage) needs to come at a risk. These "ruthless" guys you are referring to are just the 12th grader you'd expect extorting the lunch money from a third grader.... No risk, all reward. Come on, is that so hard to see. These htfu yellers are the real carebears. Nothing hardcore here.
You have it all backwards nubcake. The gankers all have risk with no promise of reward. The ship they use is guarenteed to blow up. There is no promise of loot that will drop nor tears to be collected. Plus a loss of security rating which brings travel restrictions whether they succeed or not.
The miner on the other hand is guarenteed to turn a profit if he goes mining. Where is the risk? The gankers, but only if they find him. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
213
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:34:00 -
[200] - Quote
Cannibal Kane wrote:Those are not suicides though. So what's your point? The first one is the other not. Not empty quoting. |
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CirJohn
The Flying Tigers Intrepid Crossing
3
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:39:00 -
[201] - Quote
Nummers....noob tears.
I find it especially awesome that this guy thinks he had a hulk tanked. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
380
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:54:00 -
[202] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:I didn't say I want to gank one of your characters. I just said that you should go and kill the people you perceive are doing wrong, especially since they're cowards, and you're not. Otherwise, claiming that they don't want to pvp because they're cowards just makes you a hypocrite. Ok, well sorry if I inferred something you didn't imply. Well the problem with gankers is that you can't pvp them. You can't do anything to them in advance, thats why they are cowards. They attack only ships who can't do anything but die. If they became killable to your fleet for target locking a member, that would be at least something. They do not want to pvp, they want to grief. Even if they got a week cooldown aggro time in empire space for ganking to make them killable by anyone so we could hunt them, I would enjoy that immensely. One thing I'd like to state for the record is that most gankers don't use alts to post on the forums. On top of that, many will flat-out tell you who their primary characters are. Using this knowledge, you (not specifically you, but the people who feel aggrieved by the gankers in general) should be able to strike back at your attackers. The problem is that the grand majority won't take the initiative to do so, even though going after mains should be much more harmful to the gankers than going after their dedicated gank alts. |
Sutskop
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
67
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:10:00 -
[203] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: So I'm mining away in my Osprey and THIS happened:
2010.04.22 15:19:00 [...] Ship: Hurricane
[...] 2010.04.22 15:30:00 [...] Ship: Broadsword
You were obviously canflipped, not ganked. I hope you DID learn that from your experience back then. Agreeing with the idea tho that mining alone is a tiny fraction of what EVE is about.
OP: That's why it is possible to create a noob character (or three) and totally wreck your shiny Hulk. Some people mine, some people shoot. I won't even say "HTFU". Just learn from it. Why did it happen, and how can you avoid it. |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:21:00 -
[204] - Quote
Destiny Corrupted wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:I didn't say I want to gank one of your characters. I just said that you should go and kill the people you perceive are doing wrong, especially since they're cowards, and you're not. Otherwise, claiming that they don't want to pvp because they're cowards just makes you a hypocrite. Ok, well sorry if I inferred something you didn't imply. Well the problem with gankers is that you can't pvp them. You can't do anything to them in advance, thats why they are cowards. They attack only ships who can't do anything but die. If they became killable to your fleet for target locking a member, that would be at least something. They do not want to pvp, they want to grief. Even if they got a week cooldown aggro time in empire space for ganking to make them killable by anyone so we could hunt them, I would enjoy that immensely. One thing I'd like to state for the record is that most gankers don't use alts to post on the forums. On top of that, many will flat-out tell you who their primary characters are. Using this knowledge, you (not specifically you, but the people who feel aggrieved by the gankers in general) should be able to strike back at your attackers. The problem is that the grand majority won't take the initiative to do so, even though going after mains should be much more harmful to the gankers than going after their dedicated gank alts.
Well I have never been ganked in high sec, I post because I think what happens to miners is unacceptable. But even knowing who the gankers are, there is not much you can do about it with current mechanics. You can't kill them as they are about to gank, if you fire first you get dusted by concord, if you hunt them after their aggression timer is gone, you get dusted by concord. They hide behind mechanics to grief, not to pvp. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
380
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:31:00 -
[205] - Quote
Okay, but like I said in my previous post, why not go after their mains? You can wardec them, hire mercenaries, or even gank them yourself. |
Mallak Azaria
xX-Crusader-Xx
76
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:40:00 -
[206] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull..
The real crime here is that it took 3 destroyers to gank you.
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Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:45:00 -
[207] - Quote
Destiny Corrupted wrote:Okay, but like I said in my previous post, why not go after their mains? You can wardec them, hire mercenaries, or even gank them yourself.
I haven't been in that situation so will not argue that point. I can only argue in the abstract as I think the mechanics are one sided and the psuedo pvp gankbears are pathetic. If I did fly a hulk and got ganked, you can bet there would be retribution,(but honestly I would feel naked in a mining barge). But we have alot of accounts and alot of friends, which alot of miners don't, so war decs are not something I think most could undertake. Mercs would be the only viable option for most miners I guess. But that just adds more cost to the needless loss. |
Jack Ironfist
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:47:00 -
[208] - Quote
Destiny Corrupted wrote:Okay, but like I said in my previous post, why not go after their mains? You can wardec them, hire mercenaries, or even gank them yourself.
With hulkageddon I'm torn between the culling of the stupid and laughing at the false space bravado on display.
In respect to those losing hulks, looking at the vast majority of the fits. Its little wonder that people have been losing hulks, in some cases they actually deserve to lose them. It honestly isn't very hard to take precautions and if you're set on taking the risk and mining somewhere without protection then you should be fitting to reflect that. Not throwing caution to the wind and going for max yield.
But for the gankers, while it is culling the stupid let's not pretend that it is very carebearish to attack targets that you can't be preemptively prevented from killing in a pvp sense.
I agree with culling the stupid but let's not pretend that the hulk ganking is the pinnacle of skill and PVP awesomeness. Its hitting targets that can't hit back before or after an attack while relying on concord for protection to gank .
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Wuxi Wuxilla
Wuxi Corporation
15
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:52:00 -
[209] - Quote
Woah, someone ganked an untanked Orca with so many Tornados that it isn't even remotely cost-effective.
Add a DCII and it jumps from 80k EHP to 180k EHP.
An Orca without a DCII is like a Tengu with 4 BCUs and 6 Target Painters - Just begging to die |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:53:00 -
[210] - Quote
Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:Woah, someone ganked an untanked Orca with so many Tornados that it isn't even remotely cost-effective.
Add a DCII and it jumps from 80k EHP to 180k EHP.
An Orca without a DCII is like a Tengu with 4 BCUs and 6 Target Painters - Just begging to die
Yeah I agree with that, the Orca can at least fit enough tank to survive all but the most determined gank squad. Shame the Hulk can't say the same. |
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
380
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Posted - 2012.05.04 10:00:00 -
[211] - Quote
Jack Ironfist wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Okay, but like I said in my previous post, why not go after their mains? You can wardec them, hire mercenaries, or even gank them yourself. With hulkageddon I'm torn between the culling of the stupid and laughing at the false space bravado on display. In respect to those losing hulks, looking at the vast majority of the fits. Its little wonder that people have been losing hulks and in some (okay yes... all) cases they actually deserve to lose them. It honestly isn't very hard to take precautions and if you're set on taking the risk and mining somewhere without protection then you should be fitting to reflect that. Not throwing caution to the wind and going for max yield. But for the gankers, whilst it is culling the stupid let's not pretend that it is very carebearish to attack targets that you can't be preemptively prevented from killing in a pvp sense. I agree with culling the stupid but let's not pretend that the hulk ganking is the pinnacle of skill and PVP awesomeness. Its hitting targets that can't hit back before or after an attack while relying on concord for protection to gank . There is no obligation for honor in a cutthroat sandbox game. PvP is not honor. Combat is not honor. Killing is not honor. When we kill Hulks, we aren't looking for fair fights, and we're certainly not killing them out of a lack of competence to take on targets that shoot back. We kill them for the following reasons: to profit financially; to manipulate the market; to collect interesting mails/chats/threats; because we can. |
Jack Ironfist
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 10:06:00 -
[212] - Quote
Destiny Corrupted wrote:There is no obligation for honor in a cutthroat sandbox game. PvP is not honor. Combat is not honor. Killing is not honor. When we kill Hulks, we aren't looking for fair fights, and we're certainly not killing them out of a lack of competence to take on targets that shoot back. We kill them for the following reasons: to profit financially; to manipulate the market; to collect interesting mails/chats/threats; because we can.
...but by way of using the same mechanics that you deride highsec mission runners and miners for using.
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Wuxi Wuxilla
Wuxi Corporation
15
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Posted - 2012.05.04 10:06:00 -
[213] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:Woah, someone ganked an untanked Orca with so many Tornados that it isn't even remotely cost-effective.
Add a DCII and it jumps from 80k EHP to 180k EHP.
An Orca without a DCII is like a Tengu with 4 BCUs and 6 Target Painters - Just begging to die Yeah I agree with that, the Orca can at least fit enough tank to survive all but the most determined gank squad. Shame the Hulk can't say the same.
You keep telling that, but it has been shown again and again that you can tank a Hulk enough to make a Tornado Gank completely uneffective isk-wise (nobody ganks a Hulk when he has to pay 400mil for Tornados for it). You still haven't posted a single kill of a well tanked Hulk so far and that's with more then 2000 destroyed Exhumer/Mining Barges. There should be enough of them, right? I mean, you can't tank your Hulk, right?
http://hulkageddon.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/propaganda.jpg |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.05.04 10:09:00 -
[214] - Quote
Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:Woah, someone ganked an untanked Orca with so many Tornados that it isn't even remotely cost-effective.
Add a DCII and it jumps from 80k EHP to 180k EHP.
An Orca without a DCII is like a Tengu with 4 BCUs and 6 Target Painters - Just begging to die Yeah I agree with that, the Orca can at least fit enough tank to survive all but the most determined gank squad. Shame the Hulk can't say the same. You keep telling that, but it has been shown again and again that you can tank a Hulk enough to make a Tornado Gank completely uneffective isk-wise (nobody ganks a Hulk when he has to pay 400mil for Tornados for it). You still haven't posted a single kill of a well tanked Hulk so far and that's with more then 2000 destroyed Exhumer/Mining Barges. There should be enough of them, right? I mean, you can't tank your Hulk, right? http://hulkageddon.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/propaganda.jpg
No, I can't tank my Hulk. But as I also said I don't have one. I don't fly anything that can't fight back. We could argue the hulk tank issue until we are both rather bored with it and get nowhere so lets not continue this dance, we have differing opinions and we aren't changing them anytime soon. |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.05.04 10:26:00 -
[215] - Quote
Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:Woah, someone ganked an untanked Orca with so many Tornados that it isn't even remotely cost-effective.
Add a DCII and it jumps from 80k EHP to 180k EHP.
An Orca without a DCII is like a Tengu with 4 BCUs and 6 Target Painters - Just begging to die Yeah I agree with that, the Orca can at least fit enough tank to survive all but the most determined gank squad. Shame the Hulk can't say the same. You keep telling that, but it has been shown again and again that you can tank a Hulk enough to make a Tornado Gank completely uneffective isk-wise (nobody ganks a Hulk when he has to pay 400mil for Tornados for it). You still haven't posted a single kill of a well tanked Hulk so far and that's with more then 2000 destroyed Exhumer/Mining Barges. There should be enough of them, right? I mean, you can't tank your Hulk, right? http://hulkageddon.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/propaganda.jpg
fast check of killboard, this exhumer was tanked, stupidly expensive but tanked and died to a few catalysts, which I find idiotic. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=16249620
I would imagine if I spent more than 2 minutes checking I would find many other tanked exhumers dusted. They simply are too weak, but meh, nothing more I can say on the topic that hasnt been said. |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
66
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Posted - 2012.05.04 10:48:00 -
[216] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:I didn't say I want to gank one of your characters. I just said that you should go and kill the people you perceive are doing wrong, especially since they're cowards, and you're not. Otherwise, claiming that they don't want to pvp because they're cowards just makes you a hypocrite. Ok, well sorry if I inferred something you didn't imply. Well the problem with gankers is that you can't pvp them. You can't do anything to them in advance, thats why they are cowards. They attack only ships who can't do anything but die. If they became killable to your fleet for target locking a member, that would be at least something. They do not want to pvp, they want to grief. Even if they got a week cooldown aggro time in empire space for ganking to make them killable by anyone so we could hunt them, I would enjoy that immensely. One thing I'd like to state for the record is that most gankers don't use alts to post on the forums. On top of that, many will flat-out tell you who their primary characters are. Using this knowledge, you (not specifically you, but the people who feel aggrieved by the gankers in general) should be able to strike back at your attackers. The problem is that the grand majority won't take the initiative to do so, even though going after mains should be much more harmful to the gankers than going after their dedicated gank alts. Well I have never been ganked in high sec, I post because I think what happens to miners is unacceptable. But even knowing who the gankers are, there is not much you can do about it with current mechanics. You can't kill them as they are about to gank, if you fire first you get dusted by concord, if you hunt them after their aggression timer is gone, you get dusted by concord. They hide behind mechanics to grief, not to pvp.
You could try actually coming into lowsec and shooting us, no CONCORD here. |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.05.04 10:59:00 -
[217] - Quote
Darek Castigatus wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:I didn't say I want to gank one of your characters. I just said that you should go and kill the people you perceive are doing wrong, especially since they're cowards, and you're not. Otherwise, claiming that they don't want to pvp because they're cowards just makes you a hypocrite. Ok, well sorry if I inferred something you didn't imply. Well the problem with gankers is that you can't pvp them. You can't do anything to them in advance, thats why they are cowards. They attack only ships who can't do anything but die. If they became killable to your fleet for target locking a member, that would be at least something. They do not want to pvp, they want to grief. Even if they got a week cooldown aggro time in empire space for ganking to make them killable by anyone so we could hunt them, I would enjoy that immensely. One thing I'd like to state for the record is that most gankers don't use alts to post on the forums. On top of that, many will flat-out tell you who their primary characters are. Using this knowledge, you (not specifically you, but the people who feel aggrieved by the gankers in general) should be able to strike back at your attackers. The problem is that the grand majority won't take the initiative to do so, even though going after mains should be much more harmful to the gankers than going after their dedicated gank alts. Well I have never been ganked in high sec, I post because I think what happens to miners is unacceptable. But even knowing who the gankers are, there is not much you can do about it with current mechanics. You can't kill them as they are about to gank, if you fire first you get dusted by concord, if you hunt them after their aggression timer is gone, you get dusted by concord. They hide behind mechanics to grief, not to pvp. You could try actually coming into lowsec and shooting us, no CONCORD here.
Having spent over 4 years there with my first account, been there, done that, nothing special.
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Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
69
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Posted - 2012.05.04 11:13:00 -
[218] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:Woah, someone ganked an untanked Orca with so many Tornados that it isn't even remotely cost-effective.
Add a DCII and it jumps from 80k EHP to 180k EHP.
An Orca without a DCII is like a Tengu with 4 BCUs and 6 Target Painters - Just begging to die Yeah I agree with that, the Orca can at least fit enough tank to survive all but the most determined gank squad. Shame the Hulk can't say the same. You keep telling that, but it has been shown again and again that you can tank a Hulk enough to make a Tornado Gank completely uneffective isk-wise (nobody ganks a Hulk when he has to pay 400mil for Tornados for it). You still haven't posted a single kill of a well tanked Hulk so far and that's with more then 2000 destroyed Exhumer/Mining Barges. There should be enough of them, right? I mean, you can't tank your Hulk, right? http://hulkageddon.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/propaganda.jpg fast check of killboard, this exhumer was tanked, stupidly expensive but tanked and died to a few catalysts, which I find idiotic. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=16249620I would imagine if I spent more than 2 minutes checking I would find many other tanked exhumers dusted. They simply are too weak, but meh, nothing more I can say on the topic that hasnt been said.
Total damage taken: 3989, this guy was NOT tanked.
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Jack Ironfist
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 11:13:00 -
[219] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:fast check of killboard, this exhumer was tanked, stupidly expensive but tanked and died to a few catalysts, which I find idiotic. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=16249620I would imagine if I spent more than 2 minutes checking I would find many other tanked exhumers dusted. They simply are too weak, but meh, nothing more I can say on the topic that hasnt been said.
Its terribly frustrating reading posts like this.
Look, with those modules the motivation behind the ganking goes from just plain ganking to ganking for a profit. Its exactly like that fat white rich guy strolling through the ghetto at 1 in the morning, he's made himself a target.
Then you've got the question of what were the actual factors behind this gank. Was the guy afk? did he overload his modules? did he almost escape? were the modules active? did he have sp put into good active shield tanking skills? Looking at the damage received, I'd say the modules weren't active and possibly AFK.
In this particular case, the stupid got culled. Or rather, the rich stupid guy got culled.
Here's a protip:
You put cargo modules and rigs on, you're going to have a larger cargo bay but you won't survive an average gank. You put MLU's and cargo rigs, you're going to go okay with yield and cargo space but you won't survive an average gank. You put neither cargo or MLUs on a fit and fit for a possible gank, you're going to have reduced cargo space and average yield but you might survive an average gank.
That said, the best prevention is just docking up or at the very least staying alert for the jump in local, the destroyers lurking and the combat probes probing. |
Rond Dorlezahn
Tri Star Industries Li3 Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.05.04 12:14:00 -
[220] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:fast check of killboard, this exhumer was tanked, stupidly expensive but tanked and died to a few catalysts, which I find idiotic. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=16249620I would imagine if I spent more than 2 minutes checking I would find many other tanked exhumers dusted. They simply are too weak, but meh, nothing more I can say on the topic that hasnt been said.
...not sure if serious
brb tanking EM against Gallente |
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Tauranon
Weeesearch
58
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Posted - 2012.05.04 12:55:00 -
[221] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:fast check of killboard, this exhumer was tanked, stupidly expensive but tanked and died to a few catalysts, which I find idiotic. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=16249620I would imagine if I spent more than 2 minutes checking I would find many other tanked exhumers dusted. They simply are too weak, but meh, nothing more I can say on the topic that hasnt been said.
Its half baked tank. No grid implant, no mapc, no 2x shield extender rigs, cargo expanders killing the hull hps which part wastes the dcu effect, and its a mack not a hulk which does not help. Yes you can ice mine with a hulk if you want tankier.
in any case, 3x catalysts = 1500 - 2100 dps. 2100 dps = dead hulk regardless of fit.
The hulk strategy that works for this is to not mine ice, sit in a low pop system, monitor d-scan when local spikes and GTFO if catalyst gang shows on d-scan, and consider keeping some movement towards a safespot too to reduce time to warp if you are really paranoid. Also having a safe spot reduces decision making ie you just go warp instead of trying to choose where to warp.
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Velicitia
Open Designs
920
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Posted - 2012.05.04 13:08:00 -
[222] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Well I have never been ganked in high sec, I post because I think what happens to miners is unacceptable. But even knowing who the gankers are, there is not much you can do about it with current mechanics. You can't kill them as they are about to gank, if you fire first you get dusted by concord, if you hunt them after their aggression timer is gone, you get dusted by concord. They hide behind mechanics to grief, not to pvp.
They're called "Kill Rights" ... which you get for ~30 days from the time you were ganked.
PROVIDED THAT you did not fire upon the ganker in the initial encounter. |
Pinky Feldman
Gank Bangers Moar Tears
136
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Posted - 2012.05.04 13:08:00 -
[223] - Quote
Destiny Corrupted wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:I didn't say I want to gank one of your characters. I just said that you should go and kill the people you perceive are doing wrong, especially since they're cowards, and you're not. Otherwise, claiming that they don't want to pvp because they're cowards just makes you a hypocrite. Ok, well sorry if I inferred something you didn't imply. Well the problem with gankers is that you can't pvp them. You can't do anything to them in advance, thats why they are cowards. They attack only ships who can't do anything but die. If they became killable to your fleet for target locking a member, that would be at least something. They do not want to pvp, they want to grief. Even if they got a week cooldown aggro time in empire space for ganking to make them killable by anyone so we could hunt them, I would enjoy that immensely. One thing I'd like to state for the record is that most gankers don't use alts to post on the forums. On top of that, many will flat-out tell you who their primary characters are. Using this knowledge, you (not specifically you, but the people who feel aggrieved by the gankers in general) should be able to strike back at your attackers. The problem is that the grand majority won't take the initiative to do so, even though going after mains should be much more harmful to the gankers than going after their dedicated gank alts.
The key fundamental issue is the version of EVE that the ganker and miner play. You gank someone's hulk and unless they're a mining alt for a PVP player, its taken as a horrible and personal loss where the person feels victimized. If you gank a ganker or even somehow manage to magically shut down their operations in the best case scenario you gain their respect because they view ship loss as a fundamental part of the game.
EVE is a game where losses actually have meaning and its that PVP aspect which forms the core narrative of the sandbox. To complain about losing ships in EVE for any reason other than lag/glitches is like hopping into a sandbox and complaining about sand.
With that being said, I really would love to see more in-game options for people who might not be able to directly fight back to defend themselves in ways that adds more risk to the attacker. Transferrable killrights would be awesome, and i'm pretty sad that we still don't have these. I think that if we want to hold true to the sandbox that is EVE we need to be balancing risk for all parties rather than eliminating the risky situation altogether. How much more exciting would Hulkageddon be if parties on the Hulkageddon side had a similar level of danger. I think anyone who participated in BurnJita/SaveJita this past weekend will agree that the event was much more fun and interesting due to the inclusion of multiple parties on opposing sides.
The moar you cry the less you pee |
Plekto
Aliastra Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.05.04 16:24:00 -
[224] - Quote
Tauranon wrote:[
in any case, 3x catalysts = 1500 - 2100 dps. 2100 dps = dead hulk regardless of fit.
Correct. But at least fit a Damage Control II and reinforced bulkheads, and some EWar on it. If you can keep even one of those catalysts jammed and unable to damage you, you'll likely survive. The pirates (let's call them what they really are) tend to want to limit their losses, since every ship is guaranteed to die. So they don't generally send more than 3 or 4 destroyers.
Or you can just fly a bog-standard Covetor with a mining upgrade. The difference in yield is tiny compared to a typical no upgrade Hulk. 30 mil - and not worth really killing most of the time, since you get insurance, and they lose their ships, making it a wash for them (not taking into account sec status hits and all of that on their end) |
Dirk Decibel
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
28
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Posted - 2012.05.04 17:16:00 -
[225] - Quote
Daemon Ceed wrote:Dirk Decibel wrote:Don't forget to mention you quit because of the poor balance between cost of Hulks and cost of ganking ships when CCP inquires when you quit. If enough ppl do it CCP will rebalance and THEN you'll have some tears on the forums. And you wonder why we gank you, eh? It's because you cry like little whiny babies to CCP when your precious little ship gets popped. I know people like you are not all too familiar with specialized T2 ships, but did you also know that Black Ops BS's that cost billions have paper thin tanks, too? I mean, really friggen thin. But, they have a very specialized role, just like a Hulk does. You sacrifice something for that specialization. Mining barges are not built for tanking. They are built for friggen MINING you idiot. That's what they are good at. If you want something that can tank, convert your stupid BS into a mining ship. You'll look like a fool, but you won't be sui-ganked quite as easily. If you want to protect your Hulk there are some very easy things to do with a little bit of support, half of a brain, and understanding of game mechanics. Perhaps mining is the best thing for you to stick to though, since you barely have enough mental capacity to not drool like a head trauma victim or soil yourself.
I submit this post as evidence that the tears will be enormous when CCP decides to rebalance. Just the mere mentioning of a possible rebalance sends this lost soul into mindless shouting.
It is fitting that he chooses the black ops BS as an example, cuz that is clearly one of the classes that needs a rebalance most.
Also: a rebalance IS coming. I know this because right now I'm training a special suicide alt for catalysts and Tornado's. And CCP has a long history of nerfing stuff I just finished training for. |
Rezig Huruta
AD ASTRA Interstellar
8
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Posted - 2012.05.04 17:19:00 -
[226] - Quote
While I personally think suicide ganking is terribly stupid - it is in the game. If it is in the game, people will do it.
But, to say there's nothing you can do about it is juvenile. The crazy, stupid, irritating nonsense that people CAN do in this game is what makes this game AWESOME.
Put aside the frustration of losing something you probably shouldn't have fielded and think about how you can protect yourself. The solution is there, this thread has many solutions in it.
Ignore the idiots that say "yer teers ur tastey", they are nothing more than slightly sociopathic madmen who, aside from that stupid 'tears' meme, help make this game what it is.
This game is OPEN.
This game is TOUGH.
This game is REWARDING.
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ItchyJuffoWup
Stoic Assembly Lines Trade Federation Alliance
2
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Posted - 2012.05.04 17:26:00 -
[227] - Quote
See this is where you went wrong. I have avoided losing my 300mil isk hulk every year for hulkageddon by following simple rules.
1. Always stay aligned to your station. Align then cut your engines. it saves precious time. 2. Always watch local! If you see a flux of people entering the system. Be ready to dock up. 3. Have a scout to check the belts or fly around to the gates checking what kind of ships are entering. 4. NEVER AFK MINE!
and if you really want to profit
1. have a hauler/salvager ready in station. 2. hope someone elses hulk gets popped 3. take hauler/salvager out and retrieve T2 items from popped hulk/gank ship 4. profit from someone elses tears and be happy! "Insert witty quote from some old dead poet here" |
Dirk Decibel
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
28
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Posted - 2012.05.04 18:01:00 -
[228] - Quote
ItchyJuffoWup wrote:See this is where you went wrong. I have avoided losing my 300mil isk hulk every year for hulkageddon by following simple rules.
1. Always stay aligned to your station. Align then cut your engines. it saves precious time.
As far as I know, and if they haven't changed it, this makes no difference. From a stand still, it will take the same ammount of time to warp to your station no matter where your nose is pointed. |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
422
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Posted - 2012.05.04 18:28:00 -
[229] - Quote
Dirk Decibel wrote:ItchyJuffoWup wrote:See this is where you went wrong. I have avoided losing my 300mil isk hulk every year for hulkageddon by following simple rules.
1. Always stay aligned to your station. Align then cut your engines. it saves precious time.
As far as I know, and if they haven't changed it, this makes no difference. From a stand still, it will take the same ammount of time to warp to your station no matter where your nose is pointed.
Orientation is irrelevant to aling time, it takes exactly the same amount of time no matter where you are pointed.
Instead, make two bookmarks either side of the belt, and align to one or the other. This basically means you never get ganked if you're at the keyboard. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1127
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Posted - 2012.05.04 18:29:00 -
[230] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:If it is just pixels then why do the gankbears shed so many tears at the thought of hulks getting a decent tank. Waaahhh, I don't want to pvp, I am too much a coward for that, I want to gank mining ships exploiting the fact that they cannot defend themselves and their fleetmates cannot shoot first, Waaahhhh. Cowards the lot of you. Well then, why don't you take up pvp yourself and show us who's boss? I don't mine so if you want to try to gank one of my characters, bring lots of friends. I have done alot of pvp in the past with my oldest character dating to June, 2003, but now I prefer exploration, wormholes, incursions and lvl 4 and 5s. But I am not afraid of bloated bigmouths like you. I just think people who target mining vessels are bottom feeders who lack courage.
Alt posting about his super elite main that he is too scared to name.
Completely unique post on Eve-O.
- "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
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Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1127
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Posted - 2012.05.04 18:30:00 -
[231] - Quote
Those are untanked Orcas you massive eejit.
Mine has 6 times the EHP. Also, not all of those only one of those is even a suicide gank.
Are you this clueless or are you trolling? Holy jesus. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Darth Snuggles
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 20:36:00 -
[232] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Well this was my last reply here, fly safe.
Then this:
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Katja Faith wrote:Hulka-what? So basically, you're a wuss and quit?
Gotcha. No I just don't see how 3 moronic griefers with no risk will make me mine for wweeks on end to get another Hulk. That is the point. And yes, maybe I am a wuss.
...and have no convictions. This ISN'T my last reply here. |
A Lunchbox
Basgerin Pirate
18
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Posted - 2012.05.04 20:39:00 -
[233] - Quote
Wow, 12 pages? Jeebus.
Okay, here's the deal, since the conversation seems to be flying off in 23829572 directions as usual, and not even the OP seems to know what exactly happened :
1) We are not recycle-an-alts 2) The nearby lowsecs were dead for a while so we decided to gank the guy for something to do, we don't even participate in hulkageddon 3) I am still laughing about this thread way more than the actual kill
GOOD DAY SIR/MADAMS |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3060
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Posted - 2012.05.04 20:41:00 -
[234] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Those are untanked Orcas you massive eejit. Mine has 6 times the EHP. Also, not all of those only one of those is even a suicide gank. Are you this clueless or are you trolling? Holy jesus. to put this in perspective that guy got 0wnzoned out of another thread when he posted a hulk that took "40,000 damage"...36k of which was from a frigate rat
he doesn't really "get" this game |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3060
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Posted - 2012.05.04 20:42:00 -
[235] - Quote
this supposed 40,000 hp hulk had 4x small shield extenders, cargohold expanders, and t2 cargo rigs |
Skogen Gump
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
11
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Posted - 2012.05.04 21:37:00 -
[236] - Quote
Red Rydah wrote:
The sandbox concept of EVE Online someimes means you come across those who have a playstyle that will interfere with yours.
EVE in a nutshell. I'm sorry for your loss but *this^* is why I love this game.
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Kuan Yida
Huang Yinglong White-Lotus
7
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Posted - 2012.05.04 21:37:00 -
[237] - Quote
Arkon Olacar wrote:Also, just because it is worth 100x the isk doesn't mean it has 100x the survivability. If you want a ship with 100x the combat survivability, get a tier 3 battleship - you know, a ship designed for combat - rather than complaining that a mining ship has a crappy tank. Thats like complaining a stealth bomber has a small drone bay; it is irrelevant and shows how great your lack of understanding of the game is.
Also, if you got caught and ganked, you were afk or not paying attention to local/dscan, so it is your fault you lost your hulk. Hulkageddon is Darwinism in action, it removes the terrible members of the playerbase, leaving the game overall a better place afterwards.
This quote makes me find this killmail even funnier now.
http://minmatar.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13258976
This dude is in the same corp as Arkon. I was feeling guilty, thanks for absolving me of it! |
Harrigan VonStudly
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
23
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Posted - 2012.05.04 21:37:00 -
[238] - Quote
If your 300 million isk hull is all you had to your name then you're doing Eve wrong. Good bye |
Skogen Gump
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
11
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Posted - 2012.05.04 21:40:00 -
[239] - Quote
Anyone else wonder if there would be less or *more* whining on the forums if ships made the same WET splash sound that you get when you pop a pod ?
It could even change tone depending on the size of the ship - I would fund my own hulkageddon for that :) |
Ganthrithor
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
283
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Posted - 2012.05.04 21:41:00 -
[240] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:this was my last reply here, fly safe.
Liar. |
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Skogen Gump
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
25
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Posted - 2012.05.04 21:41:00 -
[241] - Quote
Harrigan VonStudly wrote:If your 300 million isk hull is all you had to your name then you're doing Eve wrong. Good bye
There has to be *some* risk by flying what you can't afford to replace; until you *can* afford too. EVE wouldn't be the great game it is, without that. |
Aiserock
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 22:08:00 -
[242] - Quote
Evolution1979 wrote:did you really quit? I can help you out, i have a special hulkageddon replacement program. For just 150 mil i can replace your shot down hulk. Send it to me ingame, and link the killmail ingame to and i will replace it. This goes for every victim of hulkageddon ofcourse I have 37 hulks left to sell for cheap!
I have 7 and will sell them for 100 mil :D (not really)
I just docked my Hulk and it's tanked, but if someone wants it dead in eve it can die no matter what the ship. |
Saint Schala
Beyond Divinity Inc Excuses.
3
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Posted - 2012.05.04 23:48:00 -
[243] - Quote
hulkageddon is my fav event of the year, do i gank hulks, no i don't,
but the forum tears are so so so sweeeeeet |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
116
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Posted - 2012.05.04 23:56:00 -
[244] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Those are untanked Orcas you massive eejit. Mine has 6 times the EHP. Also, not all of those only one of those is even a suicide gank. Are you this clueless or are you trolling? Holy jesus.
Let me hand your little hand through this:
Untanked Orca has 50k HP.
Can a Hulk or Covetor achieve 50k HP? If not, then tanking them is pointless since, as proven in my links, it will still explode.
Thank you. *pats you on the head* I hope this has been an informative interaction for you. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
213
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Posted - 2012.05.05 00:12:00 -
[245] - Quote
Jacob Staffuer wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Those are untanked Orcas you massive eejit. Mine has 6 times the EHP. Also, not all of those only one of those is even a suicide gank. Are you this clueless or are you trolling? Holy jesus. Let me hand your little hand through this: Untanked Orca has 50k HP. Can a Hulk or Covetor achieve a 50k HP tank? If not, then tanking them is pointless since, as proven in my links, it will still explode. Thank you. *pats you on the head* I hope this has been an informative interaction for you.
This just in, a titan will explode if you shoot them long enough. Better not tank my Erebus brb |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
213
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Posted - 2012.05.05 00:29:00 -
[246] - Quote
Also, back in March this guy http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12826147 got killed by a single destroyer. By your logic that destroyer must have had 60k alpha. |
Aldeskwatso
New Horizon Enterprises Beyond All Bounds
17
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Posted - 2012.05.05 00:35:00 -
[247] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.
Just consider this.
Others don't get popped and manage to pull through. Rather easily I might add. Thats a fact. So if you don't that means you doing something wrong. Figure out what it is and it don't matter much how many hulkageddons being "organised". Chances they'll get to you are slim. And if they do manage by some marginal lucky break always make sure the stuffs replacable when lost.
If you not willing to do anything about it, you are just setting yourself up to be easy pray. And in their mind it makes perfect sense to go for the easy kill. 3 Mil for a 300 Mil damage loss is a win. Even profitable.
In the end it's your own fault for getting popped for making it possible for them.
Harsh tho is a 300mil Hulk is all you had.
When I point to the moon don't stare a my finger! |
Aurelius Valentius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
61
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Posted - 2012.05.05 01:14:00 -
[248] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.
Hmmm... I am a miner, and well I can say - YOU ARE DOING EVE WRONG... and this is prob not the game for you if this makes you rage quit.
1. you should not be stuck in one ISKcome string - that makes you vulnerable to events like this. - SO, deversify. 2. you should not be flying a ship you cannot afford to replace, that is rather silly... if you must mine, IF you know Hulkageddon is on, then use Covetors and Indies... they have no tank, but your complain is you can't tank the damage anyway, so use the cheaper ones and put 10 of them in the hangar. 3. you could know your local belts and area, your locals well enough to - 1 watch local for new faces (red ones), to have SS, to have your OV set for things like scan probes (used a ref points), etc... you should know the ganker, to understand the ganker is to defeat the ganker, or at least to give them a case of ganker-sores...har har. 4. Whaaaa... this is kind of pointless bitching... EVE is a game, I have lost a Hulk to Sansha's - my only loss... but hey. that coffee was calling and the other was a Maller, oddly same coffe, same pirates. But that is my stupidity, but I have never lost a ship to a live Player, becaue unlike NPCs which I often forget about silly little things, I know how to deal with Gankers and live players, because I am aware of my situation and risks... NPCs tend to be something you can forget about in some way and die in stupid ways...lol... but I did what you should do, I said, meh... well that was a hulk with T2 rigs... get another one and fit it out and head back in to the work.
So, not so say it but I know it sucks to get ganked, but it's just a game, it's just pixels, it's what you make of it, and if your not willing to fly mostly naked and unarmed in EVE, you should consider another career or game.
Mining is EVE is about the most fun to me because while my opponents have big guns and such, I at best have 5 Hammer IIs with me and not much of a tank even at best 19K maybe, I have crap for mobility and I spend alot of time sitting in the same space... you have to have a HUGE SET to be a miner in EVE and do it right... get a pair and then get mining. it's all about the Frame Rate... |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
116
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Posted - 2012.05.05 02:28:00 -
[249] - Quote
Victim: mpred Corp: Banzai Dog Productions Inc
Attacker: Ermine en Tilavine Corp: Banzai Dog Productions Inc
You forgot the part where it was an awox and not a suicide gank.
*pats the Gewnie on the head*
It's okay son, you tried, and that's what counts. |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
116
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Posted - 2012.05.05 02:31:00 -
[250] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:
This just in, a titan will explode if you shoot them long enough. Better not tank my Erebus brb
PvP =!= suicide ganking.
You tried so hard to score a hit using a witty one-liner that it saddens me to see you fail like you just did. |
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David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
213
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Posted - 2012.05.05 04:19:00 -
[251] - Quote
Jacob Staffuer wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:
This just in, a titan will explode if you shoot them long enough. Better not tank my Erebus brb
PvP =!= suicide ganking. You tried so hard to score a hit using a witty one-liner that it saddens me to see you fail like you just did. You failed because I said you did. QED
See, I can do what you do too. It works about as well as it does for you as well. You keep up the good work with making a string of logical fallacies and I'll keep pointing them out and laughing at your angry flailing about. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
213
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Posted - 2012.05.05 04:22:00 -
[252] - Quote
Jacob Staffuer wrote:Victim: mpredCorp: Banzai Dog Productions IncAttacker: Ermine en TilavineCorp: Banzai Dog Productions IncYou forgot the part where it was an awox and not a suicide gank. *pats the Gewnie on the head* It's okay son, you tried, and that's what counts. See, the irony is, you pointed to several cases where people were shot by sustained damage from several ships that were not suicide gankers and tried to use that as proof that tanking won't protect you from suicide ganking. So, it gets down to this. Do you have a point to make or are you just dancing around pretending to be smarter than you really are? I mean, there can only be so many posts you make full of blatant inaccuracies before you run out right?
The point I made with that KM posted above remains the same. A single destroyer is still capable of doing enough damage to kill an Orca, tanked or not. I wait your next whine. |
Matheson Wolfe
Iron Ravens Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2012.05.05 04:27:00 -
[253] - Quote
Tara Read wrote:Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded. I'll tell ya what. I will give you 300 million isk if you agree to a very graphic and dirty roleplay in private chat with me. This may include various humiliating things that not even Brazilian models with relations with other species would be inclined to perform but for me it is worth every isk. If not well then I'm sorry you were too stupid to mine anyways. As a matter of fact actually no I've changed my mind. Humiliating you would be like humiliating Hellen Keller except she could actually groan out a proper Hulk fitting if she had to.
That wasn't funny. |
Poetic Stanziel
The Fancy Hats Corporation
851
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Posted - 2012.05.05 04:28:00 -
[254] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Being capable to destroy a ship with a 100th of the isk in the "safer" empire space is just ridicoulus. I could destroy your Ferrari with a Kia.
The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.05.05 06:19:00 -
[255] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:If it is just pixels then why do the gankbears shed so many tears at the thought of hulks getting a decent tank. Waaahhh, I don't want to pvp, I am too much a coward for that, I want to gank mining ships exploiting the fact that they cannot defend themselves and their fleetmates cannot shoot first, Waaahhhh. Cowards the lot of you. Well then, why don't you take up pvp yourself and show us who's boss? I don't mine so if you want to try to gank one of my characters, bring lots of friends. I have done alot of pvp in the past with my oldest character dating to June, 2003, but now I prefer exploration, wormholes, incursions and lvl 4 and 5s. But I am not afraid of bloated bigmouths like you. I just think people who target mining vessels are bottom feeders who lack courage. Alt posting about his super elite main that he is too scared to name. Completely unique post on Eve-O.
I have 5 accounts, Bunnie is not an alt to hide behind and I assure you has more skillpoints than you and I am not a he. I see no reason to name my other characters as information is a valuable commodity in Eve as it is in real life. Furthermore I am considering selling the account that dates to june, 2003 for isk. She can fly every ship in the game and has a clean corp history dating back 8 years as I keep her in Brutor. But do feel free to throw mindless insults at me, I can take it. |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
66
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Posted - 2012.05.05 11:29:00 -
[256] - Quote
And yet you still boast about skill points like it means something beyond 'I can fly some extra ships'. People might stop treating you like a faceless shitposting alt if you actually did something to prove you arent one and I certainly dont see any of that yet.
Oh and by the way SP is nothing, experience is everything. Feel free to look my character up any time you like, unlike you I dont feel the need to hide what I've done.
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Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2012.05.05 11:34:00 -
[257] - Quote
Darek Castigatus wrote:And yet you still boast about skill points like it means something beyond 'I can fly some extra ships'. People might stop treating you like a faceless shitposting alt if you actually did something to prove you arent one and I certainly dont see any of that yet.
Oh and by the way SP is nothing, experience is everything. Feel free to look my character up any time you like, unlike you I dont feel the need to hide what I've done.
LOL you little boys who want to prove your manhood in a video game are just funny as hell. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
389
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Posted - 2012.05.05 12:01:00 -
[258] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:Darek Castigatus wrote:And yet you still boast about skill points like it means something beyond 'I can fly some extra ships'. People might stop treating you like a faceless shitposting alt if you actually did something to prove you arent one and I certainly dont see any of that yet.
Oh and by the way SP is nothing, experience is everything. Feel free to look my character up any time you like, unlike you I dont feel the need to hide what I've done.
LOL you little boys who want to prove your manhood in a video game are just funny as hell. But if not for fame and glory, why bother to play a game like this in the first place? |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2012.05.05 12:06:00 -
[259] - Quote
Destiny Corrupted wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Darek Castigatus wrote:And yet you still boast about skill points like it means something beyond 'I can fly some extra ships'. People might stop treating you like a faceless shitposting alt if you actually did something to prove you arent one and I certainly dont see any of that yet.
Oh and by the way SP is nothing, experience is everything. Feel free to look my character up any time you like, unlike you I dont feel the need to hide what I've done.
LOL you little boys who want to prove your manhood in a video game are just funny as hell. But if not for fame and glory, why bother to play a game like this in the first place?
Yes true, for some. Personally I had enough pvp and just play to relax and chat with friends. A social butterfly and a carebear all wrapped in one. We sure got off topic though, the only point I ever was trying to make is that hulks need more defense since people have resorted to suicide ganking in the past few years. Since not all like to pvp, those who don't shouldn't be made easy cannon fodder for those who do. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
389
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Posted - 2012.05.05 12:12:00 -
[260] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:Yes true, for some. Personally I had enough pvp and just play to relax and chat with friends. A social butterfly and a carebear all wrapped in one. We sure got off topic though, the only point I ever was trying to make is that hulks need more defense since people have resorted to suicide ganking in the past few years. Since not all like to pvp, those who don't shouldn't be made easy cannon fodder for those who do. How much more defense do they need, exactly? If you double their EHP potential, gankers will need to use 6 destroyers instead of 3. If you triple it, then they will need to use 9 destroyers. Even 9 destroyers, with full T2 gear, still cost under a hundred million.
You can nerf destroyers back to what they were before the last update, but people will just drop a few more million on cruiser hulls. Should we nerf cruisers too, then? Or should we give exhumers 80,000 EHP tanks, just so carebears can mine in peace? Why is player discretion not a viable tool for the carebears to achieve safety? Situational awareness alone can mitigate the majority of gank attempts. |
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Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2012.05.05 12:29:00 -
[261] - Quote
Destiny Corrupted wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Yes true, for some. Personally I had enough pvp and just play to relax and chat with friends. A social butterfly and a carebear all wrapped in one. We sure got off topic though, the only point I ever was trying to make is that hulks need more defense since people have resorted to suicide ganking in the past few years. Since not all like to pvp, those who don't shouldn't be made easy cannon fodder for those who do. How much more defense do they need, exactly? If you double their EHP potential, gankers will need to use 6 destroyers instead of 3. If you triple it, then they will need to use 9 destroyers. Even 9 destroyers, with full T2 gear, still cost under a hundred million. You can nerf destroyers back to what they were before the last update, but people will just drop a few more million on cruiser hulls. Should we nerf cruisers too, then? Or should we give exhumers 80,000 EHP tanks, just so carebears can mine in peace? Why is player discretion not a viable tool for the carebears to achieve safety? Situational awareness alone can mitigate the majority of gank attempts.
I don't have all the answers, someone better with math would need figure that out. I know for starters that increasing the pg of the hulk so that it could fit a decent tank with the slots it has would be a start. I don't think nerfing ships would accomplish anything and I hate to see nerfs. Hulks don't need to be a safe invulnerable ship, but it needs to survive more than what it currently can. EHP really doesnt mean alot either since the resists are spread across all damage types, it needs more core defense. Just my two cents. |
Lunkwill Khashour
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
78
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Posted - 2012.05.05 12:36:00 -
[262] - Quote
OP lost Hulk during Hulkageddon. News at eleven. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3064
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Posted - 2012.05.05 14:06:00 -
[263] - Quote
Jacob Staffuer wrote: You forgot the part where it was an awox and not a suicide gank.
good
now, figure out what's hilariously wrong with two of the three orca killmails you claimed were suicide ganks |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
117
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Posted - 2012.05.05 14:44:00 -
[264] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Jacob Staffuer wrote: You forgot the part where it was an awox and not a suicide gank.
good now, figure out what's hilariously wrong with two of the three orca killmails you claimed were suicide ganks
Sorry, you've failed to sufficiently impress me enough to continue talking to you. There's simply no challenge in putting you down every time you try to stand up. vov |
GreenSeed
36
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Posted - 2012.05.05 15:14:00 -
[265] - Quote
why do you fly a hulk in Hulkgeddon?
why do you fly what you cant afford to lose?
Why do you play a game that is based on a violent pvp enviroment?
Why do you mine?
why is your reaction to "quit" when it should be to jump on a destroyer and go blow up the first industrial you come across?
Why do you think we care?
Why do you think CCP cares?
Why is it so hard for you to see that this is a niche game and that it wont change?
btw, hulks need more tank, yadda yadda, blah blah its all been said 57384 times, now lets go make me a sandwich. |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2012.05.05 15:21:00 -
[266] - Quote
GreenSeed wrote:why do you fly a hulk in Hulkgeddon?
why do you fly what you cant afford to lose?
Why do you play a game that is based on a violent pvp enviroment?
Why do you mine?
why is your reaction to "quit" when it should be to jump on a destroyer and go blow up the first industrial you come across?
Why do you think we care?
Why do you think CCP cares?
Why is it so hard for you to see that this is a niche game and that it wont change?
btw, hulks need more tank, yadda yadda, blah blah its all been said 57384 times, now lets go make me a sandwich.
and yet you have said nothing that hasn't been said a thousand times as well, enjoy your sandwich.. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
214
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Posted - 2012.05.05 16:24:00 -
[267] - Quote
Jacob Staffuer wrote:Weaselior wrote:Jacob Staffuer wrote: You forgot the part where it was an awox and not a suicide gank.
good now, figure out what's hilariously wrong with two of the three orca killmails you claimed were suicide ganks Sorry, you've failed to sufficiently impress me enough to continue talking to you. There's simply no challenge in putting you down every time you try to stand up. vov http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder the sooner you recognize it the sooner you can start on your treatment |
Bakuhz
IREA Holdings Borg ImperiuM
6
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Posted - 2012.05.05 16:30:00 -
[268] - Quote
sorry i gotta laugh there are so much more things to do in eve besides being braindeath bashing you skull on a rock.
YEAHHH critically hit that veldspar for ZZZzzz...
grow some balls and learn to fight or what ever |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2012.05.05 16:33:00 -
[269] - Quote
Bakuhz wrote:sorry i gotta laugh there are so much more things to do in eve besides being braindeath bashing you skull on a rock. YEAHHH critically hit that veldspar for ZZZzzz... grow some balls and learn to fight or what ever
And yet another knuckle dragger speaks out. You do realize that everything in Eve is made with minerals that come from mining don't you? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4038
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Posted - 2012.05.05 17:00:00 -
[270] - Quote
Don't be a coward like this man and quit when your Hulk gets ganked. Buy your Hulkageddon Mining Permit today! "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2012.05.05 17:04:00 -
[271] - Quote
Andski wrote:Don't be a coward like this man and quit when your Hulk gets ganked. Buy your Hulkageddon Mining Permit today!
LOL its not nice to take money from the gullible. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4038
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Posted - 2012.05.05 17:06:00 -
[272] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:Andski wrote:Don't be a coward like this man and quit when your Hulk gets ganked. Buy your Hulkageddon Mining Permit today! LOL its not nice to take money from the gullible.
already sold 11 of the permits
2.75b plus some 100m bounty some pubbie put on me "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2012.05.05 17:08:00 -
[273] - Quote
Andski wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Andski wrote:Don't be a coward like this man and quit when your Hulk gets ganked. Buy your Hulkageddon Mining Permit today! LOL its not nice to take money from the gullible. already sold 11 of the permits 2.75b plus some 100m bounty some pubbie put on me
Well as much as I hate hulk ganking, if someone is dumb enough to pay for a mining permit it serves them right. |
Llyona
SKEET ELITE Sk33t Fl33t
12
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Posted - 2012.05.05 17:24:00 -
[274] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:Bakuhz wrote:sorry i gotta laugh there are so much more things to do in eve besides being braindeath bashing you skull on a rock. YEAHHH critically hit that veldspar for ZZZzzz... grow some balls and learn to fight or what ever And yet another knuckle dragger speaks out. You do realize that everything in Eve is made with minerals that come from mining don't you?
You know, these "stop mining and start fighting" retards remind me of the time I heard a person say: "People shouldn't kill animals for meat, they should go the store and buy it like the rest of us." EVE is an illness, for which there is no cure. |
Plekto
Aliastra Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.05.05 18:25:00 -
[275] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote: I don't have all the answers, someone better with math would need figure that out. I know for starters that increasing the pg of the hulk so that it could fit a decent tank with the slots it has would be a start. I don't think nerfing ships would accomplish anything and I hate to see nerfs. Hulks don't need to be a safe invulnerable ship, but it needs to survive more than what it currently can. EHP really doesnt mean alot either since the resists are spread across all damage types, it needs more core defense. Just my two cents.
The thing is, though, that like most T2 ships, the Hulk is fragile for the isk you spent (tradeoff for increased stats) and was designed as a gimmie to 0.0 alliances back in the BoB (tm) days. It's designed to fit t2 strip miners to get at rare ores in 0.0 space. With a full fleet protecting them.
People who actually fly them anyplace else are min/maxxing munchkin types who have to have the best of the best to get that extra 1 or 2%. This type of player is easily spotted for what they are and draw the ire of most of EVE as a great percentage of them are also using bots and/or people sitting in rooms grinding in-game money online over in India and similar places.
Normal people use T1 ships when they fly solo because you get good insurance and can get away with fitting essentially nothing in terms of resists. I mine with a Covetor, three t1 strip miners, a CPU ugrade, and a mining upgrade. I don't even bother with mids as it's wasted isk if I get popped. If I mine for about an hour, I'm in the green and the gankers can pop me all day long on my alt as I'm doing it the smart way. Ninja mining in low sec with little or no risk. I certainly could mine with such a setup in high all day long as I'm obviously a real player (the bad guys are looking for munchkins and botters specifically)
A Covetor with the above setup is roughly 40 mil including insurance. Nobody bothers to really go after them, so once again, the solution to all of this is to get smarter and adjust your tactics to no longer be that fat, juicy target.
Game works as designed. |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
634
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Posted - 2012.05.05 19:13:00 -
[276] - Quote
Vaal Erit wrote:Jeremy Firewind wrote:As I said, yes. These tears are what you after, have them. Risk/ Reward/Cost are totally out of whack here. Being capable to destroy a ship with a 100th of the isk in the "safer" empire space is just ridicoulus.
And I know that this will get trolled to hell and back. Hiding behind some Internet Avatar and flinging big words is easy, heh? Well this was my last reply here, fly safe. Nah, EVE is a skill based game with a strategic focus in that you have to plan out your ship fit strategy in advance. Being successful in EVE requires brains and skill not who swipes their credit card the most. You are looking for games under the category Pay2Win. Awesome. Now if you could just sign this petition to un-nerf titan tracking. Yeah, I said it. The underlined statment means plan in advance...which usually indicates with some degree of intelligence is used in the matter that if a subcap fleet cannot beat a Titan fleet then perhaps they should instead fly a cap ship fleet. Yes, see the last round of nerfs were not necessary since you could adapt (like you say to fit your ship in advance) by not flying a subcap and upgrading into a cap ship of your own, since a single Titan XL gun is measured around the fact that it cannot WTFpwn a single frigate...unless doing some amazing teamwork with tackle and target painters.
Since a Titan ganks a sub capship while a destroyer ganks a hulk, tthen its one and the same problem but for some reason its ok to nerf a Titan but not buff a hulk (BUT both are killable provided sufficent DPS greater then a destroyer against a target with ****** fitting options). But CCP stepped into the ring and KOed titans, hulks or destroyers should get some KO luving to bring one or the other in line with a buff or a nerf...that being that both the hulk pilot and ganker should lose something of value (destroyers round closer to zero, no matter how you look at it). At least remove the MLU penalty, CPU is tight and its the only +gank damage (MLU = gyro / mag stab / heatsink / ballistic control) that increases a fitting requirement that is not a rig.
Oh, and highsec isn't safe no matter how much CCP buffs CONCORD if you want to cry about that. You can still shoot them, so perhaps highsec should be far more risky to you just as much as lowsec is risky to a hulk pilot. Or at least the hulk should give no insurane, no loot, and no salvage as the saving grace...miners get nothing and lose everything, you gain nothing, and its just a bigger isk sink in the end |
Llyona
SKEET ELITE Sk33t Fl33t
12
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Posted - 2012.05.05 19:18:00 -
[277] - Quote
Plekto wrote: Normal people use T1 ships when they fly solo because you get good insurance and can get away with fitting essentially nothing in terms of resists.
I did this exact thing in a C1 and then later a C2 for quite a few months. The crazy thing is I never lost my Covetor, yet alliance members would regularly lose their Hulks.
I tried telling them that a Hulk is not worth the risk when solo mining, but what do I know?
Aqriue wrote:and its just a bigger isk sink in the end
Ship 'splosions without any insurance payout represent a material sink, not an isk sink. EVE is an illness, for which there is no cure. |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
118
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Posted - 2012.05.05 19:32:00 -
[278] - Quote
Andski wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Andski wrote:Don't be a coward like this man and quit when your Hulk gets ganked. Buy your Hulkageddon Mining Permit today! LOL its not nice to take money from the gullible. already sold 11 of the permits 2.75b plus some 100m bounty some pubbie put on me
Damn I only made 1 bil so far.
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Nephilius
Knights of Athena Star Council
392
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Posted - 2012.05.06 01:58:00 -
[279] - Quote
EFF ONEF1 wrote:Have fun in eq2
Their servers are still up? Cool. To call me a Carebear is a misnomer...while it is true that I am hairy like a bear (or two russian women), I really don't care.-á Like, at all.-á Call me an Apathybear.-á Just don't call if you need assistance. |
Poetic Stanziel
The Fancy Hats Corporation
853
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Posted - 2012.05.06 03:44:00 -
[280] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. It's called internet space terrorism. Fly with some support.
http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/05/hulkageddon-v-internet-space-terrorism.html The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
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Jayrendo Karr
Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth
85
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Posted - 2012.05.06 03:58:00 -
[281] - Quote
Unlike that situation, hulks cant fire a pre-emptive strike. If ganking were rare the hulk would be just fine, but ganking is common so the hulk must evolve. |
Poetic Stanziel
The Fancy Hats Corporation
853
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Posted - 2012.05.06 04:37:00 -
[282] - Quote
Jayrendo Karr wrote:Unlike that situation, hulks cant fire a pre-emptive strike. If ganking were rare the hulk would be just fine, but ganking is common so the hulk must evolve. As long as you're happy with a heavier tank, but lower yield and cargo ... then fine ... trade-offs, correct? But the impression I get from the super-carebears is that they want a super-heavy tank, the same yield and the same cargo space. The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
303
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Posted - 2012.05.06 05:07:00 -
[283] - Quote
Hulkageddon made me gay.
Though I have to admit that my wardrobe is now fabulous. |
Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
76
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Posted - 2012.05.06 05:43:00 -
[284] - Quote
Yep, unfortunately some people never learn. That Hulk was a horrible fitted Hulk. To the OP, there are guides and much mining information regarding setting up a properly tanked Hulk...one that could have easily stayed together long enough for Concorde to have come to your rescue. You didn't use your head. You gambled and lost. It is sad that you didn't take the necessary steps to protect yourself.
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Siobhan MacLeary
BRG Corp Acquisition Of Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.05.06 06:13:00 -
[285] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:
Since these are not the main toons, but purpose built characters, yes 0 risk.
Plenty of folk gank in their main.
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Jessie Davis
Les Enfants Terribles
0
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Posted - 2012.05.06 06:47:00 -
[286] - Quote
Or be like this guy..
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=8916161
:no.jpg: |
Cannibal Kane
Praetorian Cannibals
355
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Posted - 2012.05.06 06:54:00 -
[287] - Quote
Jacob Staffuer wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Those are untanked Orcas you massive eejit. Mine has 6 times the EHP. Also, not all of those only one of those is even a suicide gank. Are you this clueless or are you trolling? Holy jesus. Let me hand your little hand through this: Untanked Orca has 50k HP. Can a Hulk or Covetor achieve a 50k HP tank? If not, then tanking them is pointless since, as proven in my links, it will still explode. Thank you. *pats you on the head* I hope this has been an informative interaction for you.
Those were still not suicide ganks, except for the first one.
So why link them and what was your point about linking them? You might as well have linked a orca kill done by a frigate.
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Abannan
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.06 07:39:00 -
[288] - Quote
you chose to mine. during a month long event called hulkageddon
lol |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2012.05.06 07:41:00 -
[289] - Quote
Abannan wrote:you chose to mine. during a month long event called hulkageddon
lol
A month is far too long, thats taking away alot of game time from people who find it enjoyable to mine. |
Poetic Stanziel
The Fancy Hats Corporation
853
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Posted - 2012.05.06 07:43:00 -
[290] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:Abannan wrote:you chose to mine. during a month long event called hulkageddon
lol A month is far too long, thats taking away alot of game time from people who find it enjoyable to mine. Players can run their events for as long as they wish.
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Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2012.05.06 07:47:00 -
[291] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Abannan wrote:you chose to mine. during a month long event called hulkageddon
lol A month is far too long, thats taking away alot of game time from people who find it enjoyable to mine. Players can run their events for as long as they wish.
Probably, so i hope every so called carebear and miner unsubs and lets the game go to hell. |
Choans
Omniscient Order
0
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Posted - 2012.05.06 07:58:00 -
[292] - Quote
war ship vs fishing boat i think my homemade war ship could sink a fishing boat
so lets compare the thrashers to homemade cheap war ships and your hulk to a fishing boat that is good at fishing but not good at war stuff...
who is best fitted to kill something? id say the cheap war ship rather than the fishing boat.
maybe you should bring some cheap war ships with you next time you go out fishing. like a ship that can improve your tank, how about a shield repping ship perhaps... even 5 shield drones might save you from some hostiles...
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Choans
Omniscient Order
0
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Posted - 2012.05.06 08:00:00 -
[293] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:Abannan wrote:you chose to mine. during a month long event called hulkageddon
lol A month is far too long, thats taking away alot of game time from people who find it enjoyable to mine.
and who is to decide that.
if you enjoy to do something that other ppl enjoy to destroy then find a way to do what you enjoy in a safe way or those other ppl will come and destroy you. if you are dumb and dont addpat to the situation of the game you will be sad when others come and destroy you. if you are smart and adapt to the situation you will have a "i win" feeling when the gank fails and you live.
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Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
24
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Posted - 2012.05.06 08:05:00 -
[294] - Quote
Choans wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Abannan wrote:you chose to mine. during a month long event called hulkageddon
lol A month is far too long, thats taking away alot of game time from people who find it enjoyable to mine. and who is to decide that. if you enjoy to do something that other ppl enjoy to destroy then find a way to do what you enjoy in a safe way or those other ppl will come and destroy you. if you are dumb and dont addpat to the situation of the game you will be sad when others come and destroy you. if you are smart and adapt to the situation you will have a "i win" feeling when the gank fails and you live.
Theres not much to adapt too, you earlier suggested drones or logi support, but they can't help a mining barge survive alpha strikes except perhaps by a solo inept player. I don't mine so I don't personally need to do anything but alot of my friends and my husband does. So far I know of 17 accounts unsubbed, friends I no longer have ingame to do stuff with. No clue if and when they will return. CCP can rot in hell for allowing this to go on for a month as well as those who participate. I have played this game since June, 2003, that doesn't make me 'uber' or anything, just means I have seen the game evolve and devolve and paid alot of money, I have earned the right to state my opinion. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
395
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Posted - 2012.05.06 08:28:00 -
[295] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Abannan wrote:you chose to mine. during a month long event called hulkageddon
lol A month is far too long, thats taking away alot of game time from people who find it enjoyable to mine. Players can run their events for as long as they wish. Probably, so i hope every so called carebear and miner unsubs and lets the game go to hell. I hope this happens, though I really doubt the game would go to hell. When it becomes profitable enough, people who don't normally mine will do so. I've mined for only a few days shortly after I started out, but every one of my primary characters is skilled for barges, as a result of training for Orcas (extremely valuable in pvp, and also profitable via ejection ransoms).
The math is really simple. I sometimes need to make money to pay for game time, buy pvp gear, and fund wars. I can't always do that through pvp alone, and am sometimes forced to do pve activities. Usually, that involves Sleepers or null rats. If mining becomes profitable enough that it can actually compete with those activities, I wouldn't mind doing it.
As it is right now, minerals come from a free-flowing faucet, making most products extremely common and easily replaceable. If mining becomes more profitable, that means there will be less goods on the market, but that doesn't really matter to players like myself, even though it means we would have less killmails. You see, we're after the quality of the killmails, not the quantity. You can infer for yourself what I mean by quality, but I'll tell you with great certainty that a reduction of the carebear population won't make the game worse off; most likely things will become better, but in the worst case, remain the same. |
Felsusguy
Try-Cycle Mining Industry
2
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Posted - 2012.05.06 09:29:00 -
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Damn... over 300 million? I know there is a lot of inflation... but damn... Didn't used to be like that.
Now, for relevance... Didn't you have it insured? Didn't you have savings? Didn't you pay attention the news?
If your local news all pointed towards a terrorist attack on the apartment building you are currently living in was coming soon, would you simply not notice it and continue with your normal life?
Are you stupid? Maybe, maybe not. Are you ignorant? Hell yes. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
396
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Posted - 2012.05.06 10:05:00 -
[297] - Quote
I'm not here to fear the consequences, I'm here to enjoy the ride. I was around during the days of 15-million-ISK cap recharger IIs. Killing a missioner meant a lot more back then than it does today. Coincidentally, there was, proportionally, a lot less whining back then.
There's no way that even a 50% reduction in the mineral supply would be apocalyptic. And 50% is a severe overestimation of the non-bot high-sec carebear mineral output. |
Felsusguy
Try-Cycle Mining Industry
2
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Posted - 2012.05.06 11:09:00 -
[298] - Quote
My point still stands regardless of you view on playing the game.
It's a shame, however, how Exhumers work. Here we have ships whose descriptions say they are meant for null-sec mining, and yet they can be easily destroyed in high-sec.
My one request to CCP about exhumers is Remove thou label or make thou label truth |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
396
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Posted - 2012.05.06 11:20:00 -
[299] - Quote
Felsusguy wrote:My point still stands regardless of you view on playing the game.
It's a shame, however, how Exhumers work. Here we have ships whose descriptions say they are meant for null-sec mining, and yet they can be easily destroyed in high-sec.
My one request to CCP about exhumers is Remove thou label or make thou label truth You seem to associate "meant for null-sec mining" with not needing any escort to perform their function. Exhumers indeed do fulfill that role, handily might I add, with their upgraded defensive capabilities, which allow them to survive a 0.0 rat spawn long enough for support to arrive, or to withdraw from the field (they can even tank weaker spawns perpetually). They, however, were never intended to survive a focused capsuleer assault, the defense for which lies squarely on the exhumer pilot's shoulders. Unlike a rat spawn, enemy players appear in local, giving the exhumer pilot sufficient time to make a retreat before contact is made. |
Felsusguy
Try-Cycle Mining Industry
2
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Posted - 2012.05.06 11:39:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Felsusguy wrote:My point still stands regardless of you view on playing the game.
It's a shame, however, how Exhumers work. Here we have ships whose descriptions say they are meant for null-sec mining, and yet they can be easily destroyed in high-sec.
My one request to CCP about exhumers is Remove thou label or make thou label truth You seem to associate "meant for null-sec mining" with not needing any escort to perform their function. Exhumers indeed do fulfill that role, handily might I add, with their upgraded defensive capabilities, which allow them to survive a 0.0 rat spawn long enough for support to arrive, or to withdraw from the field (they can even tank weaker spawns perpetually). They, however, were never intended to survive a focused capsuleer assault, the defense for which lies squarely on the exhumer pilot's shoulders. Unlike a rat spawn, enemy players appear in local, giving the exhumer pilot sufficient time to make a retreat before contact is made. On the contrary, I do not believe exhumers should be able to mine without fear of attack, though they should be able to at least withstand an initial attack in time for their fleet or concord to respond. Killing an exhumer should take more than it currently does, and the only true cost of such an attack is security status loss, which is a minor one at most.
Not being able to survive an attack long enough for others to defend them is rather contradictory to their purpose. |
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FearFall
Alpha Strategy In Umbra Mortis
0
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Posted - 2012.05.06 11:49:00 -
[301] - Quote
ill be the first to admit it im a god dam carebear and proud off it i play eve to collect ships. (suz there shinny). i have lost my fair share of ships and i was pissed every dam time. but if your going to come on to the forum and whine and say u are going to leave because a computer generated image got blown up buy another computer generated image firing computer generated images. if u missed the point there its a freaking (highly addictive) game. just shut the f up and leave already we dont need to hear your whining. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
396
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Posted - 2012.05.06 11:50:00 -
[302] - Quote
Okay, so, how much damage damage should they be able to absorb, then? |
Angelus Ryan
Ama Nesciri.
2
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Posted - 2012.05.06 11:54:00 -
[303] - Quote
You know. I used to hate the idea of Hulkageddon and decry the participants as useless idiots, bullies and griefers. I still do not participate in it, but that is my choice and my play style (This is not of a sense of "honor" or "superiority": I have none. I roam lowsec and kill stuff I can kill, and run away from things I cannot and I just prefer this to suicide ganking. I've been known to canflip, though. Again, I claim no superior moral ground: In fact, I claim I have no morals in EVE - I am here on a vacation from the real world, not to argue philosophy and "morals", which are inevitably subjective anyway).
Then I started thinking about why it makes sense: EVE is a Sandbox game. It is essentially run by the players. Anything that takes away from this premise is a bad-thing(tm), and everything which empowers players is a good-thing(tm). Granted, highsec is needed. It is needed because some players enjoy purely the economic aspects (I have a friend whose tales of market warfare often sound as interesting as my other friends' combat exploits, sometimes, when the impact is big enough, they are even more so) and because the game population is too low to maintain a "center of civilization", which highsec is.
However, this does not mean that Highsec is safe. I frequently (pretty much always) feel safer roaming lowsec then I am moving things in highsec. The amount of traffic, the bumping on undocks and the ganker gangs are much more frequent than lowsec gatecamps (except some notorious systems, which are left for the reader as a test of his EVE knowledge). It is completely fine: This pressure is what keeps people shifting between the various locations in EVE, it is what keeps them changing their lifestyles and interests. This is exactly what keeps the game alive and vibrant.
For me, the following video sums up the game perfectly, and I love it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
If you're smart, you will avoid 99.99% of all gank attempts in EVE. If you are silly (like mining, say, next door from Rens), then you will get ganked sooner or later, but nearly inevitably. It isn't surviving a gank that you should be worried about, it is avoiding becoming a target in the first place. Mine in low population systems, mine away from market hubs (you have friends/corp/alts with a freighter to move your stuff, right? If not, you're playing EVE wrong), do not be lazy, do not fall into patterns, do not mine in belts which can be scanned from the entry gates (because then you're the first one on dscan and the first one to get ganked), do tank your Hulk (or be even more paranoid, both are quite valid), keep an eye on local, keep an eye on the d-scan, learn the local population (Who is a miner? Who is a lowsec pirate coming in for a rest in highsec? Who is a bot? If you choose a quiet system you will have this nailed down in a few days at most), be suspicious of new arrivals and NEVER, EVER, mine AFK.
EVE is a woman of dubious virtue (damn profanity filter), but she's awesome in bed, so you put up with her kicking you in the nuts if you get too cozy around her. That's exactly what makes EVE a great game and why there is nothing nearly like it out there.
It might not be your cup of tea, but the label on that cup of tea reads "Warning: Contents Downright Evil" as labelled for years by the gaming media (they do love to exaggerate, too), so you knew exactly what you were getting into, or failed to realize it very quick. |
Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
41
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Posted - 2012.05.06 12:01:00 -
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One thing the bears are forgetting is that the hulk already has a fairly decent tank. A decently tanked hulk has similar EHP to a standard combat-fit cruiser - okay, the cruiser is about half the size, but the whole reason the cruiser exists is to fight, and so has improved defenses as a result. The hulk is not designed to fight, so doesn't have a battleship-grade tank - why are you complaining about this? The current level of tanking that the hulk has fits in perfectly with the tank levels of combat ships - you know, the ships designed to take damage. Nothing needs changing, stop complaining. If you don't think your mining ship has enough tank to survive the dangers of space, change your ship choice - say, to a battleship. You know, a ship designed for combat, and so has a huge tank. |
Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
41
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Posted - 2012.05.06 12:03:00 -
[305] - Quote
Angelus Ryan wrote: If you're smart, you will avoid 99.99% of all gank attempts in EVE. If you are silly (like mining, say, next door from Rens), then you will get ganked sooner or later, but nearly inevitably. It isn't surviving a gank that you should be worried about, it is avoiding becoming a target in the first place. Mine in low population systems, mine away from market hubs (you have friends/corp/alts with a freighter to move your stuff, right? If not, you're playing EVE wrong), do not be lazy, do not fall into patterns, do not mine in belts which can be scanned from the entry gates (because then you're the first one on dscan and the first one to get ganked), do tank your Hulk (or be even more paranoid, both are quite valid), keep an eye on local, keep an eye on the d-scan, learn the local population (Who is a miner? Who is a lowsec pirate coming in for a rest in highsec? Who is a bot? If you choose a quiet system you will have this nailed down in a few days at most), be suspicious of new arrivals and NEVER, EVER, mine AFK.
This. This a thousand times over. It is the players who need to adapt, not the ships. |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
66
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Posted - 2012.05.06 12:05:00 -
[306] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:Choans wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Abannan wrote:you chose to mine. during a month long event called hulkageddon
lol A month is far too long, thats taking away alot of game time from people who find it enjoyable to mine. and who is to decide that. if you enjoy to do something that other ppl enjoy to destroy then find a way to do what you enjoy in a safe way or those other ppl will come and destroy you. if you are dumb and dont addpat to the situation of the game you will be sad when others come and destroy you. if you are smart and adapt to the situation you will have a "i win" feeling when the gank fails and you live. Theres not much to adapt too, you earlier suggested drones or logi support, but they can't help a mining barge survive alpha strikes except perhaps by a solo inept player. I don't mine so I don't personally need to do anything but alot of my friends and my husband does. So far I know of 17 accounts unsubbed, friends I no longer have ingame to do stuff with. No clue if and when they will return. CCP can rot in hell for allowing this to go on for a month as well as those who participate. I have played this game since June, 2003, that doesn't make me 'uber' or anything, just means I have seen the game evolve and devolve and paid alot of money, I have earned the right to state my opinion.
Theres the minor problem that your opinion reads like whiney, self entitled bollocks. If you have seen the game 'evolve and devolve' why do you find it so hard to do the same thing for yourself or to help others to do it. Its not like there havent been many many video guides and page after page of analysis on the best way to avoid ganks, note not 'survive' but 'avoid'. No need for hulks to be able to tank anything if by simply using their brains they can easily avoid situations where they can be fired on.
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uwai223
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Fatal Ascension
43
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Posted - 2012.05.06 12:06:00 -
[307] - Quote
Why is this thread still going? We are required by our constitution to let the voters think they have a choice. That's democracy! |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
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Posted - 2012.05.06 12:26:00 -
[308] - Quote
Jayrendo Karr wrote:Unlike that situation, hulks cant fire a pre-emptive strike. If ganking were rare the hulk would be just fine, but ganking is common so the hulk must evolve. Then mine somewhere where you can shoot first.
I adore the flawed irony in the carebears claiming the space they're in to stay safe is making them less safe - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1132
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Posted - 2012.05.06 12:28:00 -
[309] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:If it is just pixels then why do the gankbears shed so many tears at the thought of hulks getting a decent tank. Waaahhh, I don't want to pvp, I am too much a coward for that, I want to gank mining ships exploiting the fact that they cannot defend themselves and their fleetmates cannot shoot first, Waaahhhh. Cowards the lot of you. Well then, why don't you take up pvp yourself and show us who's boss? I don't mine so if you want to try to gank one of my characters, bring lots of friends. I have done alot of pvp in the past with my oldest character dating to June, 2003, but now I prefer exploration, wormholes, incursions and lvl 4 and 5s. But I am not afraid of bloated bigmouths like you. I just think people who target mining vessels are bottom feeders who lack courage. Alt posting about his super elite main that he is too scared to name. Completely unique post on Eve-O. I have 5 accounts, Bunnie is not an alt to hide behind and I assure you has more skillpoints than you
I usually find the most egregious of carebears are the ones who go for "SP elitism" and I am not seeing an exception here.
But keep on giving me reasons about how you would do something, but also won't. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1132
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Posted - 2012.05.06 12:31:00 -
[310] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:Abannan wrote:you chose to mine. during a month long event called hulkageddon
lol A month is far too long, thats taking away alot of game time from people who find it enjoyable to mine.
If you wish to place a limit on a player made event, then you need to form your own player made event to put a stop to it
Also, if one assumes for the moment that the majority of miners DID stop mining, then what would happen?
Mining would become the dominant ISK making activity in the game (like is used to be) and more people would take it up.
All we would lose are the people who join a game where EXACTLY this is possible, but leave the game because it happened to them. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
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Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1132
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Posted - 2012.05.06 12:32:00 -
[311] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:Choans wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Abannan wrote:you chose to mine. during a month long event called hulkageddon
lol A month is far too long, thats taking away alot of game time from people who find it enjoyable to mine. and who is to decide that. if you enjoy to do something that other ppl enjoy to destroy then find a way to do what you enjoy in a safe way or those other ppl will come and destroy you. if you are dumb and dont addpat to the situation of the game you will be sad when others come and destroy you. if you are smart and adapt to the situation you will have a "i win" feeling when the gank fails and you live. Theres not much to adapt too, you earlier suggested drones or logi support, but they can't help a mining barge survive alpha strikes except perhaps by a solo inept player..
Not being on grid when they land is proven to result in a 100% reduction in damage application.
Now, if only CCP would add a tool into the game to let players see what ships are in space near to them
- "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2012.05.06 12:33:00 -
[312] - Quote
Throwing a whine-fest Khanh'rhh? |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
38
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Posted - 2012.05.06 12:34:00 -
[313] - Quote
Remove local and people will start using it. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1132
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Posted - 2012.05.06 12:37:00 -
[314] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:Throwing a whine-fest Khanh'rhh? Nope, just pointing out that you've been playing the game "far longer than I have" and yet you can't work out how to safely make ISK mining.
Whereas I am not even a miner, and I can teach someone how to do it in about 5minutes. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Volksterb
In Paradisum
1
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Posted - 2012.05.06 12:43:00 -
[315] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Throwing a whine-fest Khanh'rhh? Nope, just pointing out that you've been playing the game "far longer than I have" and yet you can't work out how to safely make ISK mining. Whereas I am not even a miner, and I can teach someone how to do it in about 5minutes.
Seems to me she stated on several occassion she isn't a miner. Try reading before insulting perhaps. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1132
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Posted - 2012.05.06 12:45:00 -
[316] - Quote
Volksterb wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Throwing a whine-fest Khanh'rhh? Nope, just pointing out that you've been playing the game "far longer than I have" and yet you can't work out how to safely make ISK mining. Whereas I am not even a miner, and I can teach someone how to do it in about 5minutes. Seems to me she stated on several occassion she isn't a miner. Try reading before insulting perhaps.
Well, she's still stating her mining friends / husband / randoms can't, so same result, really. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Volksterb
In Paradisum
2
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Posted - 2012.05.06 12:50:00 -
[317] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Volksterb wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Throwing a whine-fest Khanh'rhh? Nope, just pointing out that you've been playing the game "far longer than I have" and yet you can't work out how to safely make ISK mining. Whereas I am not even a miner, and I can teach someone how to do it in about 5minutes. Seems to me she stated on several occassion she isn't a miner. Try reading before insulting perhaps. Well, she's still stating her mining friends / husband / randoms can't, so same result, really.
Meh, don't know about that. Seems she is arguing about a game mechanic she disagrees with. I am a miner, its all I do. Am too old a man to fight young people in pvp and I feel eve developers have made sitting ducks out of us. There didn't used to be suicide gankings going on all the time but now there is so I think ships or high sec mechanics should change to make it more fair. I tank my Hulk but I know it can be ganked without much effort, people are blowing smoke when they say it has such high ehp. |
Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
332
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Posted - 2012.05.06 12:52:00 -
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Y'all are posting in a troll thread. Regards,
LCpl. Aiwha-á Senior Recruiter |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
786
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Posted - 2012.05.06 14:03:00 -
[319] - Quote
Jacob Staffuer wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:I know. This is the hard part to wrap one's mind around.
I know, this is a hard one to wrap your mind around because EVE is suffering from a strange form of Darwin-invoking "Stockholme Syndrome" where somehow "might makes right"... but the reality is: The gankers are at fault.
They give fair warning.
I've been mining away both Ore and Ice everyday of H'geddon so far.
If one has not the ability to use an alt to summon CONCORD to your belt for protection (and an alarm WHEN THEY LEAVE THE BELT)...then I just don't know what to say. "Every other expansion has catered to the pew-pew need for more things to blow up; to more public cries of, "see how valuable I am!" - anon-á "You have to understand that the human ego will do whatever it takes to get attention because it needs to know that it exists." -- RuPaul |
Scien Inkunen
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2012.05.06 14:29:00 -
[320] - Quote
Destiny Corrupted wrote:Drake Draconis wrote:EVE Online requires the following things :
3: IQ Greater than 50 (Ok maybe 100) To be fair, 100 is the normalized average, and judging by EVE players' math and language skills, I'd say only a fifth of all players meet this requirement.
When you get ganked, high IQ doesnt do much to save you. Read the "Fart file" and you will understand the meaning of life ! |
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Poetic Stanziel
The Fancy Hats Corporation
855
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Posted - 2012.05.06 14:36:00 -
[321] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:So far I know of 17 accounts unsubbed. . . . Sure you do. Tomorrow it will be 25. By the end of the month, several hundred. As a counter, I know of 36 people who have subbed because Hulkageddon sounds really cool.
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
705
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Posted - 2012.05.06 14:39:00 -
[322] - Quote
i am wondering how many keep playing because of events like hulkageddon a eve-style bounty system https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105 You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1132
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Posted - 2012.05.06 14:39:00 -
[323] - Quote
Volksterb wrote:Meh, don't know about that. Seems she is arguing about a game mechanic she disagrees with. I am a miner, its all I do. Am too old a man to fight young people in pvp and I feel eve developers have made sitting ducks out of us. There didn't used to be suicide gankings going on all the time but now there is so I think ships or high sec mechanics should change to make it more fair. I tank my Hulk but I know it can be ganked without much effort, people are blowing smoke when they say it has such high ehp. EHP won't save Hulks, or EHP would save Freighters and Orcas from the same treatment.
Mechanics don't need to change to make it "fair" since any change would be less beneficial than using the mechanics already available to you.
I really can't say it enough; if you're not AFK and you use local & DSCAN you are almost impossible to gank.
What miners are asking for, is mommy CCP to come along and stack the deck in their favour. Assuming that did happen, there would still be:
a) Enough fools who expand their hulks rather than tank them anyway and b) You galvanise gankers who really won't need to put much more on the line to make it happen.
The solution, from your POV, is to stop being a hapless victim and start learning the game.
Again, if I can teach members of my corp to mine safely in WHs (and I did this too, as a newb) then it is ******* tragic that you can't achieve the same in HIGHSEC. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Jessie42
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
111
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Posted - 2012.05.06 14:48:00 -
[324] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Enough fools who expand their hulks rather than tank them anyway
This is the OP's lossmail http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13257194
Now, he did a T1 tank (laff) with 2x SSE, 1x SSB and 1x invuln. This doesn't add a whole lot of tank, but it's more than 0, right?
Also, he fully expanded it, which takes away armor and hull amount. Most people don't know that fully expanding does that or are too stupid to see that removing EHP off your armor and hull is completely ******** if you're trying to survive a gank.
Fit a DC II. Seriously. Stop max expanding your hulls. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1132
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:01:00 -
[325] - Quote
Jessie42 wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Enough fools who expand their hulks rather than tank them anyway This is the OP's lossmail http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13257194Now, he did a T1 tank (laff) with 2x SSE, 1x SSB and 1x invuln. This doesn't add a whole lot of tank, but it's more than 0, right? Also, he fully expanded it, which takes away armor and hull amount. Most people don't know that fully expanding does that or are too stupid to see that removing EHP off your armor and hull is completely ******** if you're trying to survive a gank. Fit a DC II. Seriously. Stop max expanding your hulls.
The easiest way to mine safely is to mine in pairs, and dual / tripple web each other (or at minimum, have your hauler dual web your hulk).
Hey, presto, you align as fast as an interceptor and you're almost impossible to catch.
But then, they're against using game mechanics to their advantage so v0v - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Joran Dravius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:08:00 -
[326] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded. I find it totally intolerable that those same 3 ships can easily kill a tanked 300m faction battleship and somehow you think that's okay, but not when it happens to your non-combat ship class. Get the **** out of my Eve you special snowflake. |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
31
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:08:00 -
[327] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:So far I know of 17 accounts unsubbed. . . . Sure you do. Tomorrow it will be 25. By the end of the month, several hundred. As a counter, I know of 36 people who have subbed because Hulkageddon sounds really cool.
It was 14 from our alliance who said they were unsubbing until after this hulkgankfest, plus my husband decided to unsub his 3 until afterwards since diablo is releasing and he wants to play with that a bit anyway. You are mistaken if you think I care enough about anyones opinion on this forum to feel the need to lie about anything. But at any rate, I have said all I can on this topic and at times had adversarial arguements with people and I have no desire for that. I leave this topic as its just a non productive mess. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1133
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:53:00 -
[328] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:plus my husband decided to unsub his 3 until afterwards Your husband is a lucky man, because often men that spineless are completely unappealing to women. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
31
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Posted - 2012.05.06 15:57:00 -
[329] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:plus my husband decided to unsub his 3 until afterwards Your husband is a lucky man, because often men that spineless are completely unappealing to women.
OK, I was going to just leave this topic. Spineless? If you knew him in life you would realize how dumb that is. He was a decorated military officer and now works hard everyday to provide for his wife and daughters. When he plays Eve, he likes to just relax, mine and talk with friends. Just because he dislikes pvp does not make him spineless you petty little toad. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1133
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Posted - 2012.05.06 16:09:00 -
[330] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:plus my husband decided to unsub his 3 until afterwards Your husband is a lucky man, because often men that spineless are completely unappealing to women. OK, I was going to just leave this topic. Spineless? If you knew him in life you would realize how dumb that is. He was a decorated military officer and now works hard everyday to provide for his wife and daughters. When he plays Eve, he likes to just relax, mine and talk with friends. Just because he dislikes pvp does not make him spineless you petty little toad.
"I want to relax in a game world, so I will join the one game that has the reputation for being the most brutal PVP experience possible and then whine about it" is not a better position to take than my previous statement. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
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Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1133
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Posted - 2012.05.06 16:11:00 -
[331] - Quote
Also, if "Mr Military" can't perform a basic risk:reward analysis in a fictional environment, then I really don't know how to comment further. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
31
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Posted - 2012.05.06 16:12:00 -
[332] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:plus my husband decided to unsub his 3 until afterwards Your husband is a lucky man, because often men that spineless are completely unappealing to women. OK, I was going to just leave this topic. Spineless? If you knew him in life you would realize how dumb that is. He was a decorated military officer and now works hard everyday to provide for his wife and daughters. When he plays Eve, he likes to just relax, mine and talk with friends. Just because he dislikes pvp does not make him spineless you petty little toad. "I want to relax in a game world, so I will join the one game that has the reputation for being the most brutal PVP experience possible and then whine about it" is not a better position to take than my previous statement.
He has never whined about it, has not made one post. He shrugged and said 'let the douchebags gank all they want, I have better things to do', (basically). Wow you sure talk out of your butt alot. You paraphrase everyone and turn it to make yourself look so witty and wise. Did your mommy not give you enough attention between turning tricks or something? Now in simple words so you can understand, go die now. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1133
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Posted - 2012.05.06 16:26:00 -
[333] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:He has never whined about it, has not made one post. He shrugged and said 'let the douchebags gank all they want, I have better things to do', (basically). Wow you sure talk out of your butt alot. You paraphrase everyone and turn it to make yourself look so witty and wise. Did your mommy not give you enough attention between turning tricks or something? Now in simple words so you can understand, go die now. You want me to die, for pointing out there is meant to be PVP in a PVP game, and I am the one with issues?
10/10 would troll you again. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
31
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Posted - 2012.05.06 16:29:00 -
[334] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:He has never whined about it, has not made one post. He shrugged and said 'let the douchebags gank all they want, I have better things to do', (basically). Wow you sure talk out of your butt alot. You paraphrase everyone and turn it to make yourself look so witty and wise. Did your mommy not give you enough attention between turning tricks or something? Now in simple words so you can understand, go die now. You want me to die, for pointing out there is meant to be PVP in a PVP game, and I am the one with issues? 10/10 would troll you again.
You do like word games don't you. You insult me which is ok, I post here so am open to it, but then you insult my husband for no reason other than to make yourself feel like a man. I bet you are a cowardly little twig in real life, you sure post like it. This is the last I respond to you toadie, play your games with someone else. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1133
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Posted - 2012.05.06 16:34:00 -
[335] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:He has never whined about it, has not made one post. He shrugged and said 'let the douchebags gank all they want, I have better things to do', (basically). Wow you sure talk out of your butt alot. You paraphrase everyone and turn it to make yourself look so witty and wise. Did your mommy not give you enough attention between turning tricks or something? Now in simple words so you can understand, go die now. You want me to die, for pointing out there is meant to be PVP in a PVP game, and I am the one with issues? 10/10 would troll you again. You do like word games don't you. You insult me which is ok, I post here so am open to it, but then you insult my husband for no reason other than to make yourself feel like a man. Nope, I insulted the notion that anyone would quit a game because they're unable to learn how to play it properly and would rather do something else than deal with pretend risk to their internet space pixels.
But I adore the baseless insults coming from you, they're lovely. Mother is a *****? Check. Kill myself? Check.
Just poetry.
Keep going, NPC alt #84521245 - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Scien Inkunen
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2012.05.06 16:43:00 -
[336] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:plus my husband decided to unsub his 3 until afterwards Your husband is a lucky man, because often men that spineless are completely unappealing to women.
There must be a contest for stupid comments, yes? Read the "Fart file" and you will understand the meaning of life ! |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
786
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Posted - 2012.05.06 17:00:00 -
[337] - Quote
Scien Inkunen wrote:
There must be a contest for stupid comments, yes?
Yes. It's been ongoing for nine years. And thanks for contributing this one.
It's called the EVE-O Forums. "Every other expansion has catered to the pew-pew need for more things to blow up; to more public cries of, "see how valuable I am!" - anon-á "You have to understand that the human ego will do whatever it takes to get attention because it needs to know that it exists." -- RuPaul |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
61
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Posted - 2012.05.06 22:03:00 -
[338] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded. This is the very reason why i keep playing Eve, also this is the same reason why i managed to get 2 of my RL friends to drop their MMO and sub to Eve and at least 3 random people to sub their account to trial. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
669
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Posted - 2012.05.06 22:05:00 -
[339] - Quote
If you were a victim of a hisec gank, what steps did you take to avoid that gank?
As a miner and industrialist for over 3 years now, and still owning my first Hulk, I have to ask: How the heck do you get ganked in hisec? Because the only ways I know of require you to:
1. Be AFK, so begging to be ganked. 2. Be ignorant of all the advice available on how to avoid being ganked. 3. Be too lazy to follow all the advice available on how to avoid being ganked. 4. Have recruited a ganker into your corp without checking (also see #2 and #3 above).
What am I missing?
I fully believe that everything good or bad that happens to you in EVE is because of your own actions or inaction. When I lose a ship, I know it was because I screwed-up, or knowingly took an exceptional risk, so there is nobody to blame but myself. |
Katerwaul
The Scope Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.05.06 23:52:00 -
[340] - Quote
Hulkageddon is a form of harassment that needs to be regulated by the government. Concord should begin shooting people in their pods & forcibly biomassing them. After all, why should I be accountable for what happens when my game is playing by itself. I mean there isn't even a PAUSE button. How can I take a break to do stuff in safety with all of this stress? MY TV DINNER ISN'T GOING TO MAKE ITSELF AND I REALLY NEED TO PLAY THIS FACEBOOK GAME WHILE I'M MINING.
I'm not going to say I'll never AFK. But the last time I AFKed it was in the middle of a mission I was speed tanking & I had accidentally set my stove on fire. Put the fire out & came back in time to ***** about having to align back into combat & wait for 2 minutes before I could engage any of my targets, then went back into the kitchen & made sure the fire was out while I waited to get back into the action.
Eve doesn't have a pause button. Live accordingly. Working with everyone to improve New Eden -- Internet Spaceships Iz Serious Business. |
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Golar Crexis
the boltzmann experience Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
32
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Posted - 2012.05.07 00:20:00 -
[341] - Quote
Sarah Schneider wrote: Also, why is it that miners whine when their 300mil ship got blown up by cheap ships while there are lots of other cases, say, 1.5 bil tengus got killed by those same ships?
Dear test.
We're sorry.
Pizza.
Also from my experience I have seen a surge in newbros joining eve and asking stupid questions and shitting up comms. A lot of them joined cause of Burn Jita and hulkageddon. |
Aldarr Mentakk
Raptor Navy STR8NGE BREW
0
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Posted - 2012.05.07 01:46:00 -
[342] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Katja Faith wrote:Hulka-what? So basically, you're a wuss and quit?
Gotcha. No I just don't see how 3 moronic griefers with no risk will make me mine for wweeks on end to get another Hulk. That is the point. And yes, maybe I am a wuss.
isn't that the point of mining? what the hell are you going to do with the money you would have gotten anyways? save it up for a fancy new mlu II? the only real problem i see here is people finding out that HIGHSEC SUCKS. and obviously it's going over your head that you should just sell all your crap and move to nullsec. you never hear of alliances ganking their own hulk fleets. |
Orlacc
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
138
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Posted - 2012.05.07 01:54:00 -
[343] - Quote
Tau Cabalander wrote:If you were a victim of a hisec gank, what steps did you take to avoid that gank?
As a miner and industrialist for over 3 years now, and still owning my first Hulk, I have to ask: How the heck do you get ganked in hisec? Because the only ways I know of require you to:
1. Be AFK, so begging to be ganked. 2. Be ignorant of all the advice available on how to avoid being ganked. 3. Be too lazy to follow all the advice available on how to avoid being ganked. 4. Have recruited a ganker into your corp without checking (also see #2 and #3 above).
What am I missing?
I fully believe that everything good or bad that happens to you in EVE is because of your own actions or inaction. When I lose a ship, I know it was because I screwed-up, or knowingly took an exceptional risk, so there is nobody to blame but myself.
Couldn't have said it better. I still own my first Hulk as well. |
Abannan
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.07 05:14:00 -
[344] - Quote
If you can't afford to replace your hulk when somebody suicide ganks it, don't undock in it The "Don't fly what you can't afford to lose" rule applies to exhumers too... |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
14
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Posted - 2012.05.07 06:22:00 -
[345] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.
I know right - I saw a hulk totally destroy an asteroid much larger than itself. Then it warped to another belt and did it again. I was so shocked, I too almost quit eve.
My rookie ship also got killed by a bigger ship in the tutorial mission. OUTRAGEOUS. This needs to be fixed. Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
RealaiX
Yard Industries Seventh Heaven
4
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Posted - 2012.05.07 10:32:00 -
[346] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:
"I want to relax in a game world, so I will join the one game that has the reputation for being the most brutal PVP experience possible and then whine about it" is not a better position to take than my previous statement.
"most brutal PVP" LMAO !
I'm reading a lot of forum posts but why the hell is the majority of the "pvp-loving" part of the eve-community thinks its all about pvp.. u guys havent recognized that this MMO is a *** Sandbox and there wouldnt be pvp without industrials !
I also lost some Hulks or even a freighter to some gankers and you pvp'ers are right .. if i lost a ship it is my own fault and i did something wrong. I also think Hulkageddon is a good event to get rid of "some" botting asses and it really boosts some prices which makes me just richer than before !
BUT plz stop saying that EVE is just about PVP! thats so stupid.. |
Persephone 66
Catocalypse Meow ZOMBIE KITTY FORCE
1
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Posted - 2012.05.07 10:56:00 -
[347] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.
Can someone get this guy a mop and a cry towel?
Hulks are up to 300mil now? Been years since I bought one. Still mining with the same one, btw.
Jeremy, in the last week I have made more ISK than you spent on your Hulk. I'll tell you how I did it. I did a lot of mining prior to Hulkageddon. Then I refined my ore and made a bunch of stuff from it and put it on the market. Now I'm just kicking back and letting the ISK roll in. Know where my Hulk is that I spent less than 200mil on including the fit? Safely locked in a station. I know better.
You will find that I did lose my first hulk and a few lesser mining vessels to ganks, I learned the hard way. You will also find that my only PVP kill to date was on a can flipper while mining in my old Exequror. I still have that ship somewhere.
No excuses. Eve is a harsh, unforgiving place and Hulkaggedon is an announced event. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
402
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Posted - 2012.05.07 11:12:00 -
[348] - Quote
RealaiX wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:
"I want to relax in a game world, so I will join the one game that has the reputation for being the most brutal PVP experience possible and then whine about it" is not a better position to take than my previous statement.
"most brutal PVP" LMAO ! I'm reading a lot of forum posts but why the hell is the majority of the "pvp-loving" part of the eve-community thinks its all about pvp.. u guys havent recognized that this MMO is a *** Sandbox and there wouldnt be pvp without industrials ! I also lost some Hulks or even a freighter to some gankers and you pvp'ers are right .. if i lost a ship it is my own fault and i did something wrong. I also think Hulkageddon is a good event to get rid of "some" botting asses and it really boosts some prices which makes me just richer than before ! BUT plz stop saying that EVE is just about PVP! thats so stupid.. Uh, buddy, it kind of is. While the broken window parable holds true in real life, in real life there's also the potential for limitless innovation. In EVE, you're limited to building from a few thousand specific blueprints, utilizing a few hundred material types, all of which CCP created. Who would buy the stuff you made, if that stuff hardly got destroyed? Do you think new Hulks would get sold, if everybody already had one and used it with impunity?
Also, there would be quite a bit of pvp without "industrials." And by "industrials," I of course mean carebears. You see, you're under the assumption that the bears are the only ones who build anything in this game, which couldn't be further from the truth. I have a fully-skilled industrial alt, which I never use because it's simply a more efficient use of my time to grind out some ISK in a wormhole when I need it. So do all of my "scumbag" friends.
We don't need you; you need us. |
Feckfor Rufard
Deadwood Reserrection CORE Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.05.07 11:58:00 -
[349] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Red Rydah wrote:I find Hulkageddon a great experience for me as a player. Just because I can't fly my retriever does not mean I can't play the game. Understanding how Hulkageddon affects the market leads to profit if you know how to read the graphs. I also mine but not with my retriever.
Most importantly, you learn. A chance encounter with a player (I won't mention his name but he knows who he is) helped me understand how to build a better tank that will benefit me when I start getting serious about mission running. I also got a better understanding on what skills help with what kind of damage resistance on both shield and armor.
Ragequitting not only makes you look like a baby, it also means you lost the opportunity to learn from and experience this great game
RR If it did not take so long to get back on the feet, then maybe "ragequitting" would not be the option. As I usually have not more than 3-4 hours a week, we are talking about quite some time getting back into the ship. That being said, after that time, I can have 3 guys in ships, that are earned in like 30 minutes blowing me up again. As I said, maybe I am a wuss, maybe I look like a baby. Maybe I just want to take my hard earned cash somewhere else for recreation. Geez. Same as I said before. Can't you imagine, that pressuring your idea of fun and entertainment onto someone else does not mean fun and entertainment for them?
ok flying a 300 mill hulk during a hulkageddon is suicide, flying 15 covetors at the expense of a little yeild for a month is still suicide for one month, but then again 15 for the price of 1 who cares if u get a few blow to crap still cheap as crap
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
402
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Posted - 2012.05.07 12:06:00 -
[350] - Quote
Feckfor Rufard wrote:ok flying a 300 mill hulk during a hulkageddon is suicide, flying 15 covetors at the expense of a little yeild for a month is still suicide for one month, but then again 15 for the price of 1 who cares if u get a few blow to crap still cheap as crap
You don't get it man, he doesn't want just some ore, he wants all the ore. If he can't min-max his carebear mining profits to their highest potential, at all times, without any risk, the game is fundamentally flawed to him. |
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Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1138
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Posted - 2012.05.07 12:18:00 -
[351] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.
Are you or are you not aware that you have just boosted the eve economy by increasing moon goo and mineral prices. Your fellow industrialists thank you for your sacrifice and commitment towards the well being of the others.
Now if you choose to reconsider your early retirement, I'm sure some friendly soul will buy you a brand new mining frigate to start over.
Get |
July Oumis
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
22
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Posted - 2012.05.07 14:25:00 -
[352] - Quote
Just saw like 10 Macks mining ICE in Osmon, also some Hulks in Airaken, which is a 0.5 system. Lontrek/ Citadel, just some jumps from Jita...
Hulkawhat?
Most ppl don't even care. Blow em up I say. |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
63
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Posted - 2012.05.07 14:36:00 -
[353] - Quote
July Oumis wrote: Most ppl don't even care. .
I care |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
802
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Posted - 2012.05.07 15:07:00 -
[354] - Quote
RealaiX wrote:its all about pvp.. u guys havent recognized that this MMO is a *** Sandbox and there wouldnt be pvp without industrials ! ...if i lost a ship it is my own fault and i did something wrong. I also think Hulkageddon is a good event to get rid of "some" botting asses and it really boosts some prices which makes me just richer than before ! BUT plz stop saying that EVE is just about PVP! thats so stupid..
I've been trying to drive this point home for years.
think it's just a thread derailer at this point, and should just be ignored IMHO.
Doesn't even deserve snark honestly. "Every other expansion has catered to the pew-pew need for more things to blow up; to more public cries of, "see how valuable I am!" - anon-á "You have to understand that the human ego will do whatever it takes to get attention because it needs to know that it exists." -- RuPaul |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
802
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Posted - 2012.05.07 15:09:00 -
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July Oumis wrote:Just saw like 10 Macks mining ICE in Osmon, also some Hulks in Airaken, which is a 0.5 system. Lontrek/ Citadel, just some jumps from Jita...
Hulkawhat?
Most ppl don't even care. Blow em up I say.
How do you know they are not actually ready to flee at a moments notice? Did you check exactly what they have in the Drone Bays too ?
Was CONCORD on site?
Tell us more since you wanna be 007 or something. "Every other expansion has catered to the pew-pew need for more things to blow up; to more public cries of, "see how valuable I am!" - anon-á "You have to understand that the human ego will do whatever it takes to get attention because it needs to know that it exists." -- RuPaul |
Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
72
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Posted - 2012.05.07 15:24:00 -
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When I started 5 years ago or so, it used to be a thing that someone would come in in the myrmidon (before its nerf) and it would really clean out all the hulks before help arrive. You would say to yourself , well he was in the op myrmidon back then and it does require a significant training time to get it all going.
Now with the buff of destoroyers, it has become an issue for hulk. I believe this is something CCP did not think about when they buffed the destroyer and now they dont know what to do.
CCP has identified issues with ships like frigates, cruiser, destroyers, dreads, cariers, super carriers, titans and have made good changes to them for the most part. I do feel however that they have neglected the miners again.
I always felt that the loss of 3m vs 200m+ is just too one sided. Not even faction fitted works for the hulks.
The thing that worries me more is that the amount of training time required to get a hulk vs a suicide (no tank needed) destoyer or even inferior ship. I think all you need is 2 weeks of training vs 2 months of training without counting the cost difference for a hulk.
While it is true that no one should feel safe in high sec by any means, it is also true that 2 destroyers have it too easy. I do feel CCP had just gone a tad too far and should really reavaluate a buff to hulk specially since they have buffed every ship class out there besides barges.
EDIT: I am not a miner and the last time i mined was when i got my ship blown up as the above story a long long time ago. But i am also not blind and i see whats wrong with the game atm. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
405
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Posted - 2012.05.07 15:29:00 -
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Blame your fellow players for the cost of the Hulk. If it wasn't for their greed, the ship could easily be sold for under a hundred.
Also, it takes much more training, and much more money, to get into a marauder or a black ops battleship, yet both can easily die to a T1 cruiser pilot, if he knows what he's doing, and the T2 BS pilots don't. Should we nerf t1 cruisers, then? Or maybe Buff the T2 battleships? |
Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
72
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Posted - 2012.05.07 15:42:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Blame your fellow players for the cost of the Hulk. If it wasn't for their greed, the ship could easily be sold for under a hundred.
this is not a true or realistic comment. What makes the price of the hulk what it is, is the minerals you mine + the build cost like the blue print. To make a hulk under 100m like you said above is like buying something for 10 and then selling it for 8. Its a loss. It has nothing to do with greed. Its simple mathematics. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
405
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Posted - 2012.05.07 15:47:00 -
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Andrea Roche wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Blame your fellow players for the cost of the Hulk. If it wasn't for their greed, the ship could easily be sold for under a hundred. this is not a true or realistic comment. What makes the price of the hulk what it is, is the minerals you mine + the build cost like the blue print. To make a hulk under 100m like you said above is like buying something for 10 and then selling it for 8. Its a loss. It has nothing to do with greed. Its simple mathematics. A hulk is a Covetor mashed together with some T2 components. Are you telling me that those components ultimately come from the asteroids that Hulks mine? |
LarpingBard
Pendragon Exploration STR8NGE BREW
4
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Posted - 2012.05.07 15:52:00 -
[360] - Quote
The irony is, High Sec Mining is MORE dangerous and less rewarding than NULL sec mining. Once you get a hulk built or moved out to a place where sov is held, blues are respected, and intel and local watched, it takes someone rather dumb to get their hulk ganked. No offense... |
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Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
72
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Posted - 2012.05.07 15:54:00 -
[361] - Quote
Destiny Corrupted wrote:Andrea Roche wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Blame your fellow players for the cost of the Hulk. If it wasn't for their greed, the ship could easily be sold for under a hundred. this is not a true or realistic comment. What makes the price of the hulk what it is, is the minerals you mine + the build cost like the blue print. To make a hulk under 100m like you said above is like buying something for 10 and then selling it for 8. Its a loss. It has nothing to do with greed. Its simple mathematics. A hulk is a Covetor mashed together with some T2 components. Are you telling me that those components ultimately come from the asteroids that Hulks mine?
I am not sure i follow. ultimatelly everything is made up of minerals. The cost of those minerals + the cost of the research for the bpc for each module and the reaserach for the bpc and the covetor all add up. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
405
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:01:00 -
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Andrea Roche wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Andrea Roche wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Blame your fellow players for the cost of the Hulk. If it wasn't for their greed, the ship could easily be sold for under a hundred. this is not a true or realistic comment. What makes the price of the hulk what it is, is the minerals you mine + the build cost like the blue print. To make a hulk under 100m like you said above is like buying something for 10 and then selling it for 8. Its a loss. It has nothing to do with greed. Its simple mathematics. A hulk is a Covetor mashed together with some T2 components. Are you telling me that those components ultimately come from the asteroids that Hulks mine? I am not sure i follow. ultimatelly everything is made up of minerals. The cost of those minerals + the cost of the research for the bpc for each module and the reaserach for the hulk bpc and the "waist" in the bpc and covetor all add up. The combined total cost of the basic minerals, research, and invention components of Hulk production are significantly lower than 100 million ISK. The majority of the price tag comes from the moon goo that is used to build the T2 components. If you don't like Hulk prices, stop blaming destroyers, and instead form a coalition and go take those moons. Then your Hulks will be cheap. |
Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
72
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:06:00 -
[363] - Quote
Destiny Corrupted wrote:Andrea Roche wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Andrea Roche wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Blame your fellow players for the cost of the Hulk. If it wasn't for their greed, the ship could easily be sold for under a hundred. this is not a true or realistic comment. What makes the price of the hulk what it is, is the minerals you mine + the build cost like the blue print. To make a hulk under 100m like you said above is like buying something for 10 and then selling it for 8. Its a loss. It has nothing to do with greed. Its simple mathematics. A hulk is a Covetor mashed together with some T2 components. Are you telling me that those components ultimately come from the asteroids that Hulks mine? I am not sure i follow. ultimatelly everything is made up of minerals. The cost of those minerals + the cost of the research for the bpc for each module and the reaserach for the hulk bpc and the "waist" in the bpc and covetor all add up. The combined total cost of the basic minerals, research, and invention components of Hulk production are significantly lower than 100 million ISK. The majority of the price tag comes from the moon goo that is used to build the T2 components. If you don't like Hulk prices, stop blaming destroyers, and instead form a coalition and go take those moons. Then your Hulks will be cheap.
jeez you are an angry boy. I didnt realise that till now. So now you are saying that the reasons for the price been so high is not your corp mates but the people that has moon gooo. Well at least now you yourself said it who is really responsable for the price been high and not blaming someone else as in the above post. |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
64
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:07:00 -
[364] - Quote
Destiny Corrupted wrote: instead form a coalition and go take those moons. Then your Hulks will be cheap.
Given CCP has on multiple occasions said they'll be nerfing those moons it seems like an awful lot of trouble to form a coalition to take something that might disappear ten minutes afterwards.
It make much more sense to not mine in hulks and see how it shakes out in a few months.
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
405
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:12:00 -
[365] - Quote
Thomas Kreshant wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote: instead form a coalition and go take those moons. Then your Hulks will be cheap. Given CCP has on multiple occasions said they'll be nerfing those moons it seems like an awful lot of trouble to form a coalition to take something that might disappear ten minutes afterwards. It make much more sense to not mine in hulks and see how it shakes out in a few months. I agree with you, however, I'd like to point out that this would essentially entail the same thing: the whiners having to make a concerted effort, and work as a team, via their own initiative, to achieve a goal. This is something that will never happen, because it's simply easier for them to whine to get what they want. |
Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
73
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:14:00 -
[366] - Quote
Destiny Corrupted wrote:Thomas Kreshant wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote: instead form a coalition and go take those moons. Then your Hulks will be cheap. Given CCP has on multiple occasions said they'll be nerfing those moons it seems like an awful lot of trouble to form a coalition to take something that might disappear ten minutes afterwards. It make much more sense to not mine in hulks and see how it shakes out in a few months. I agree with you, however, I'd like to point out that this would essentially entail the same thing: the whiners having to make a concerted effort, and work as a team, via their own initiative, to achieve a goal. This is something that will never happen, because it's simply easier for them to whine to get what they want.
one would argue the same thing for all those people "whining" about super caps and destroyers before they got nerfed or buffed. You could also call them whiners for not " make a concerted effort, and work as a team, via their own initiative, to achieve a goal". Oh sorry i forgot, didnt they whine till they got nerfed or buffed? |
Krell Trublood
Acme Rocketship Company
0
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:48:00 -
[367] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote: Yadda, yadda, tears and rage, yadda......
Lord of the Rings Online is a real nice game. If you don't go to the designated PvP area I don't believe there is any possible way for one player to 'grief' another. You can't even train NPC crap onto people. Maybe you should give that a whirl?
Eve is a very different sort of game, and it's not for everybody. The possibility of being ganked is always there. For many that adds spice to the game, even when we are pursuing "carebear" activities. You have to try to be smart, as has already been noted. If you have real valuable stuff to haul you need to think it through, not just load 500 billion ISK worth of goodies into a freighter and set it to autopilot halfway across the universe. And, if you mine, you need to take Hulkageddon into account!
Bottom line: it's your own fault. Maybe Eve really isn't for you, so.... bye. |
Snot Shot
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
199
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:06:00 -
[368] - Quote
I have never mined before but while Hulkegeddon is going on why donGÇÖt the miners mine in tanked up battle ships with tanking command ship bonuses going and a logistics chain running? Might not get the most mins but wont the CFC turds need to bring a lot more peeps to the party to take you down? . GÇ£God grant me the serenity to accept the things I canGÇÖt shoot, the courage to shoot the things I can, and the wisdom to GTFO!!GÇ¥GÇô Snot Shot - 2012.....Yeah I'm a killin machine..... http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50753
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
803
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:07:00 -
[369] - Quote
Snot Shot wrote:I have never mined before but while Hulkegeddon is going on why donGÇÖt the miners mine in tanked up battle ships with tanking command ship bonuses going and a logistics chain running? Might not get the most mins but wont the CFC turds need to bring a lot more peeps to the party to take you down? .
A BS will pop to 10 Tornadoes just like a Hulk. They are just not an 'official' Target. "Every other expansion has catered to the pew-pew need for more things to blow up; to more public cries of, "see how valuable I am!" - anon-á "You have to understand that the human ego will do whatever it takes to get attention because it needs to know that it exists." -- RuPaul |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1134
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:56:00 -
[370] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Snot Shot wrote:I have never mined before but while Hulkegeddon is going on why donGÇÖt the miners mine in tanked up battle ships with tanking command ship bonuses going and a logistics chain running? Might not get the most mins but wont the CFC turds need to bring a lot more peeps to the party to take you down? . A BS will pop to 10 Tornadoes just like a Hulk. They are just not an 'official' Target.
[Rokh, Mining Rokh] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Co-Processor II Damage Control II Co-Processor II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II EM Ward Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II
Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Mining Drone II x5
Takes 23 tornados right in the face, mines 1200+m3 (a little less than a covetor with T2 crystals and mining drones)
BUT I HAVE TO USE A HULK QQ QQ QQ - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
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Snot Shot
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
199
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:18:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Snot Shot wrote:I have never mined before but while Hulkegeddon is going on why donGÇÖt the miners mine in tanked up battle ships with tanking command ship bonuses going and a logistics chain running? Might not get the most mins but wont the CFC turds need to bring a lot more peeps to the party to take you down? . A BS will pop to 10 Tornadoes just like a Hulk. They are just not an 'official' Target. [Rokh, Mining Rokh] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Co-Processor II Damage Control II Co-Processor II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II EM Ward Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Mining Drone II x5 Takes 23 tornados right in the face, mines 1200+m3 (a little less than a covetor with T2 crystals and mining drones) BUT I HAVE TO USE A HULK QQ QQ QQ Add in a Vulture and a few scimis and I bet that could make the gank attempts a lot more interesting.... . GÇ£God grant me the serenity to accept the things I canGÇÖt shoot, the courage to shoot the things I can, and the wisdom to GTFO!!GÇ¥GÇô Snot Shot - 2012.....Yeah I'm a killin machine..... http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50753
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Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1136
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Posted - 2012.05.07 20:00:00 -
[372] - Quote
Well, given 2 of 3 mining links are essentially pointless, they can toss in shield links on the Orca.
Takes it from 23 'nados to 27.
So, it costs 2.7billion to gank your Insurable mining ship with alpha.
If they're going the route of DPS, then one Osprey tossing shield reps on it ought to give it a beastly 'tank' (or go mad with a scimitar covering your fleet of several Rokhs).
OR
OR
They can learn DSCAN and mine in their Hulks.
But apparently, quitting is easier.
v0v - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
513
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Posted - 2012.05.07 20:19:00 -
[373] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Well, given 2 of 3 mining links are essentially pointless, they can toss in shield links on the Orca.
Takes it from 23 'nados to 27.
So, it costs 2.7billion to gank your Insurable mining ship with alpha.
If they're going the route of DPS, then one Osprey tossing shield reps on it ought to give it a beastly 'tank' (or go mad with a scimitar covering your fleet of several Rokhs).
OR
OR
They can learn DSCAN and mine in their Hulks.
But apparently, quitting is easier.
v0v I don't think you understand. There is a type of player that will absolutely under no circumstances ever do anything that does not directly increase the quantity of ISK they can earn per hour without having to look at the screen, anything that would cause them to earn less isk is anathema to them as is anything that requires them to actually be playing the game, they would literally rather have their means of getting isk destroyed over and over again than switch to something that costs less and is a thousand times harder to destroy if it generates even so much as 1% less isk per hour. Many of these people also refuse to ever cooperate with other people at all, ever because cooperation means sharing and sharing means less profit. They also feel completely entitled to do what they want in absolute safety without anyone ever interacting with them and will spew bile and hatred at anyone who dares to disturb them.
Not all highsec miners are those people, but all of those people are highsec miners. |
feminakitten
Wyrd Sisters
0
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Posted - 2012.05.07 21:08:00 -
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Orly Rly
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.05.07 23:13:00 -
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Some of the analogies that raging nerds come up with while they trip over each other trying to be noticed are so out of context, I wonder if they're posting in the wrong thread.
It's unfortunate that Eve is turning into what it is, and it's no fault of the game, but the people who use it.
You have miners earning (what everyone says) one of the lowest income streams in the game, and people feel justified 'lowering that ISK amount even further htfu' is ok. If anything, it's called for (to suicide gankers). I assume they haven't mined much, if at all, as illustrated by their understanding of the situation.
On the other hand, you have these people who will complain if they can't go around attacking (basically) defenseless ships, but make no mention of nullsec/lowsec PvP. It's almost like this element of the game is everything to them. It's almost as though padding their killmails is important, as if the nullsec alliance they plan to join won't notice they just suicide-gank mining ships. I could be wrong, but after years of seeing the same point of view being tossed around daily, it becomes clear.
This is akin to Battlefield 3, or any other game with statistics. You have these people who've been padding their stats in some manner or another, they make a big deal about how good they are, until the first person who bothers to actually check their stats to realise it's all noob tube and metro kills. Hectic skills. Let's all get excited and hormonal about a killmail when Goons kill a freighter 20 to 1.
Without bothering to read every page of the lobotomy showcase, I can see this is becoming a matter of concern for many players, or the thread wouldn't be growing 4 times as fast as neighbouring threads. And the argument seems to be between 2 groups of players, highsec miners, and the circling vultures looking for the defenseless mouse to kill.
Sure, you can say "Oh well they don't tank their ships, bad luck to them." - Well I say "Pity you can't get a kill without picking on afk mining ships, or camping lowsec gates." - Because if you were any more awesome than this, you'd be farming real kills that are actually mail worthy, as skilled players already understand.
(Havent lost any ships to geddon, am not mad, just another person with their 2 cents)
The final part of my 2 cents is sure, ships should be suicide gankable, not invincible. However, the cost should be higher for the suicide ganker than the cost of damage to the victim, OR at the very least, close. If a 250m ship took out a 300m ship, you wouldn't see such an issue. But this disparity in the value of ships is definitely a matter of concern. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1137
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Posted - 2012.05.07 23:46:00 -
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Orly Rly wrote:However, the cost should be higher for the suicide ganker than the cost of damage to the victim, OR at the very least, close. If a 250m ship took out a 300m ship, you wouldn't see such an issue. But this disparity in the value of ships is definitely a matter of concern.
I demonstrated above how they could flip the scales and get a near 20:1 ratio on ISK lost to the gankers vs their own ISK lost. But, they choose not to.
Furthermore, if I kill a 2bil Tengu in a couple of cheap battlecruisers costing 1/20th their value in total, should the Tengu be made cheaper? Should my ships be made more expensive? If i then attack a Typhoon, should its value fluctuate depending on what I use to kill it? Should a Dramiel beat every other frigate as it costs more? Plus all the T1 cruisers, battlecruisers, and some battleships?
No, because that's fundamentally stupid.
Point is, OP (and the rest of them) decided they would risk a 300mil ship for the extra yield, failed to take a SINGLE precaution that would actually help, and as a very very predictable result, lost that ship.
That's how the game is meant to work.
As for your hurf blurf about killboard stats ...no. 9/10 killboards break the ships destroyed down by type, so you can't really "pad" with mining barges. Then you have the fact the people doing it are probably losing "proper kills" they could be making elsewhere to trawl highsec for Hulks; most people getting involved are already avid PVPers. I don't think the organizer : http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Helicity+Boson really needs to pad up a 30:1 k:d ratio.
But, you continue on with your master analysis NPC alt #8454487 - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
450
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Posted - 2012.05.07 23:56:00 -
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You will note that none of Helicity's kills are mining ganks in highsec btw.
I don't need to pad my KB :P
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Orly Rly
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.05.08 00:12:00 -
[378] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:I demonstrated above how they could flip the scales and get a near 20:1 ratio on ISK lost to the gankers vs their own ISK lost. But, they choose not to. Not everyone wants to play the game in this manner everytime someone else decides to start a gankfest. Or else what's the point of flying a Tengu if (as you describe) it can be ganked by a ship a 20th of it's cost and skill time. We may as well all run around in the cheapest most OP ship, and spend no time skilling up for ships that can be ganked by a ship that's a 20th of it's cost/time.
Khanh'rhh wrote:[Furthermore, if I kill a 2bil Tengu in a couple of cheap battlecruisers costing 1/20th their value in total, should the Tengu be made cheaper? Should my ships be made more expensive? This, is also a matter of concern.
Khanh'rhh wrote:Point is, OP (and the rest of them) decided they would risk a 300mil ship for the extra yield, failed to take a SINGLE precaution that would actually help, and as a very very predictable result, lost that ship. You also raise another unrelated issue, which is the price disparity between a Covetor and Hulk when the Hulk only earns a slight increase in yield and cargo. No point worrying about how much ehp each ship as since even a tanked hulk can be suicide ganked easily. This is why it's called Hulkageddon and not Covetorageddon, why go for the cheap ship when you can just as easily take out the ship 10 times it's value with the same amount of effort. It's almost a organised kick in the face, which CCP should be addressing.
Khanh'rhh wrote:9/10 killboards break the ships destroyed down by type, so you can't really "pad" with mining barges. Then you have the fact the people doing it are probably losing "proper kills" they could be making elsewhere to trawl highsec for Hulks; most people getting involved are already avid PVPers. First part of this just coincides with my point, but whatever. Secondly, if they are avid PvP players, they should be out there doing something challenging, suicide ganking mining ships is pretty tough stuff that requires plenty of skill and experience right? And this isn't just an issue during Hulk event, it's been a problem for much longer.
Khanh'rhh wrote:But, you continue on with your master analysis NPC alt #8454487 Clutching at straws. My opinion is as relevant as the next mans, no matter which character I am logged into at the time. This comment cheapened your post. If you think my 'NPC alt' rant is baseless, you needn't reply. 'One up' comments are pretty childish, you don't happen to pad your killboards too by any chance? |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
408
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Posted - 2012.05.08 00:30:00 -
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Andrea Roche wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Thomas Kreshant wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote: instead form a coalition and go take those moons. Then your Hulks will be cheap. Given CCP has on multiple occasions said they'll be nerfing those moons it seems like an awful lot of trouble to form a coalition to take something that might disappear ten minutes afterwards. It make much more sense to not mine in hulks and see how it shakes out in a few months. I agree with you, however, I'd like to point out that this would essentially entail the same thing: the whiners having to make a concerted effort, and work as a team, via their own initiative, to achieve a goal. This is something that will never happen, because it's simply easier for them to whine to get what they want. one would argue the same thing for all those people "whining" about super caps and destroyers before they got nerfed or buffed. You could also call them whiners for not " make a concerted effort, and work as a team, via their own initiative, to achieve a goal" OR "it's simply easier for them to whine to get what they want". Oh sorry i forgot, didnt they whine till they got nerfed or buffed? There are fundamental differences between killing a mining barge with a few dedicated combat ships, and, say, doing 60,000 damage to everything on the grid with the press of a button. Some gameplay mechanics are/were objectively imbalanced, and some are/were simply perceived as such.
Let's say that destroyers get reverted back to their pre-buff stats. That simply means that they'll do 25% less damage. Do you know how much Hulks would have to be buffed in order to make the gankers only break even with the Hulk pilot in terms of costs? Hulks would need to have at least 80,000 EHP, and that's assuming that the destroyer pilots use T2 guns. If they use T1 guns, you can multiply that figure by at least 5.
So, if gankers use T2 gear to gank, your Hulk would need to have as much EHP as my pvp Loki. For T1 module ganks, your Hulk would need to have the EHP of a cyno-bait, deadspace-fit battleship. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
408
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Posted - 2012.05.08 00:38:00 -
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Snot Shot wrote:I have never mined before but while Hulkegeddon is going on why donGÇÖt the miners mine in tanked up battle ships with tanking command ship bonuses going and a logistics chain running? Might not get the most mins but wont the CFC turds need to bring a lot more peeps to the party to take you down? .
Destiny Corrupted wrote:You don't get it man, he doesn't want just some ore, he wants all the ore. If he can't min-max his carebear mining profits to their highest potential, at all times, without any risk, the game is fundamentally flawed to him.
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Snot Shot wrote:I have never mined before but while Hulkegeddon is going on why donGÇÖt the miners mine in tanked up battle ships with tanking command ship bonuses going and a logistics chain running? Might not get the most mins but wont the CFC turds need to bring a lot more peeps to the party to take you down? . A BS will pop to 10 Tornadoes just like a Hulk. They are just not an 'official' Target. You really think we're going to drop 800-odd million ISK to gank an almost fully-insured T1 battleship, that doesn't even have expensive modules fit?
PS: lol at the guy above who thinks that ship utility should scale linearly with cost, and that alliances for some reason shun recruiting barge gankers. Yeah man, you got the game all figured out it seems. |
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
408
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Posted - 2012.05.08 00:41:00 -
[381] - Quote
Orly Rly wrote: Secondly, if they are avid PvP players, they should be out there doing something challenging, suicide ganking mining ships is pretty tough stuff that requires plenty of skill and experience right? And this isn't just an issue during Hulk event, it's been a problem for much longer. Thanks for telling us what we should and shouldn't be doing, pvp pro. Your sage advice is a shining beacon that guides us all.
You're right about one thing, though. This "issue" has been a "problem" for a long, long time. Since the game came out, in fact. |
Daemon Ceed
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
86
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Posted - 2012.05.08 02:19:00 -
[382] - Quote
Destiny Corrupted wrote:Orly Rly wrote: Secondly, if they are avid PvP players, they should be out there doing something challenging, suicide ganking mining ships is pretty tough stuff that requires plenty of skill and experience right? And this isn't just an issue during Hulk event, it's been a problem for much longer. Thanks for telling us what we should and shouldn't be doing, pvp pro. Your sage advice is a shining beacon that guides us all. You're right about one thing, though. This "issue" has been a "problem" for a long, long time. Since the game came out, in fact.
I, for one, have resigned to accepting this problem. Some say I may have embraced it fully and completly ;)
Whiny Carebears: Waaaahhh Waaahhh! This game isn't being played the way I want it to be!
Everyone Else: Then go play another game.
Whiny Carebears: Fine! I will. I quit!
Everyone Else: o/
Whiny Carebears: I'm still pissed about this and want to waste everyones time with straw man arguments and logic steeped in extreme amounts of hubris and hyperbole! CCP must get involved!
Everyone Else: I thought you were leaving. Post with your main or GTFO! The Sandbox = Play however the hell you want. |
ix z'el
IXIAN MINING ENTERPRISES
16
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Posted - 2012.05.08 02:31:00 -
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jeremy i am a miner too. i lost a hulk to a ganker just b4 hulkabeggin. i decided to switch my view point about mining. mining is no longer an equitable source of income because of the cheapass ships able to gank you so easily. mining now is merely a place to grub up some isk and work it in the markets. thats how i made the switch. i refuse to mine and support the very people out to kill my ships becuz they think they have a right to do so. why should i mine and sell minerals to alliances that need billions of units of trit each month to build their fleets for conquest? let them mine their own damn ore and i hope the price of ships gets so high the gankers have to earn more isk than its worth to kill a hulk. they screw themselves in the end and thats the best part about it. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
410
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Posted - 2012.05.08 02:48:00 -
[384] - Quote
ix z'el wrote:let them mine their own damn ore and i hope the price of ships gets so high the gankers have to earn more isk than its worth to kill a hulk. they screw themselves in the end and thats the best part about it. And yet again we have one of these ludicrous claims. |
Orly Rly
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.05.08 02:50:00 -
[385] - Quote
Destiny Corrupted wrote:Orly Rly wrote: Secondly, if they are avid PvP players, they should be out there doing something challenging, suicide ganking mining ships is pretty tough stuff that requires plenty of skill and experience right? And this isn't just an issue during Hulk event, it's been a problem for much longer. Thanks for telling us what we should and shouldn't be doing, pvp pro. Your sage advice is a shining beacon that guides us all. You're right about one thing, though. This "issue" has been a "problem" for a long, long time. Since the game came out, in fact. I don't care what you do. I'm just pointing out (like many others) that ganking mining ships is the absolute height of bravery and PvP skill. Nothing in this game gives a player a higher merit of skill and dedication that having 90% of your kills as empire miner ganks and jetcan flips that turned out well against some 20-day newbie. It's so awesome, that I hear all the big null alliances are making a come back to Empire for this reason.
Since insultive sarcasm is the way you communicate, perhaps this will make more sense to you. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
410
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Posted - 2012.05.08 03:20:00 -
[386] - Quote
Ganking Hulks and doing "real pvp" aren't mutually exclusive. Keep digging that hole though. |
Orly Rly
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.05.08 03:43:00 -
[387] - Quote
Destiny Corrupted wrote:Ganking Hulks and doing "real pvp" aren't mutually exclusive. Keep digging that hole though. Real PvP is 2+ players who both think they can have the advantage in a given circumstance. Suicide ganking hulks is akin to tromping level 10's in WoW with a level 85. You are guaranteed the kill, the only cost was time, and a small amount of in-game currency. As I sarcastically said earlier, this is the top tier of PvP, a few years of training in null and you are ready to gank some hulks in empire.
Btw, what is this hole being dug that you are referring to? You seem to have issues discussing things with people that you disagree with. I respect a good debate, but you're inferences are quite bland, smarmy, almost fabulist in nature. |
Ispia Jaydrath
Reib Autonomous Industries
60
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Posted - 2012.05.08 05:11:00 -
[388] - Quote
Orly Rly wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Orly Rly wrote: Secondly, if they are avid PvP players, they should be out there doing something challenging, suicide ganking mining ships is pretty tough stuff that requires plenty of skill and experience right? And this isn't just an issue during Hulk event, it's been a problem for much longer. Thanks for telling us what we should and shouldn't be doing, pvp pro. Your sage advice is a shining beacon that guides us all. You're right about one thing, though. This "issue" has been a "problem" for a long, long time. Since the game came out, in fact. I don't care what you do. I'm just pointing out (like many others) that ganking mining ships is the absolute height of bravery and PvP skill. Nothing in this game gives a player a higher merit of skill and dedication that having 90% of your kills as empire miner ganks and jetcan flips that turned out well against some 20-day newbie. It's so awesome, that I hear all the big null alliances are making a come back to Empire for this reason. Since insultive sarcasm is the way you communicate, perhaps this will make more sense to you.
You say this is supposed to be insulting, so I have to assume that you think our self-worth is based on a belief that we are honourable elitepvp space warriors.
It isn't. It's based on hurting people. |
Daemon Ceed
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
86
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Posted - 2012.05.08 06:24:00 -
[389] - Quote
ix z'el wrote: let them mine their own damn ore and i hope the price of ships gets so high the gankers have to earn more isk than its worth to kill a hulk. they screw themselves in the end and thats the best part about it.
If you think. even a moment, that people out in nullsec who come to highsec to participate in Hulkageddon (which typically accounts for probably at least 80% of the gankers) need your highsec generated ore to operate on a daily basis, you are more of a moron than I could possibly give you credit for.
Even *IF* this were the case, they have so much ISK from selling moon goo to buy your measly trit without blinking, even if you jacked up the price ten fold. The reason: T2 modules. You need them, and moon goo is the major component in them. Therefore anytime you buy strip miner II's, or any thing T2, you are indirectly supporting the gankers. Congrats! Your entire argument goes right down the gutter along with this completely useless, whiny, tear filled, self-entitled, carebear infested thread. Post with your main or GTFO! The Sandbox = Play however the hell you want. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1137
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Posted - 2012.05.08 08:59:00 -
[390] - Quote
Orly Rly wrote:You also raise another unrelated issue, which is the price disparity between a Covetor and Hulk when the Hulk only earns a slight increase in yield and cargo. No point worrying about how much ehp each ship as since even a tanked hulk can be suicide ganked easily. This is why it's called Hulkageddon and not Covetorageddon, why go for the cheap ship when you can just as easily take out the ship 10 times it's value with the same amount of effort. It's almost a organised kick in the face, which CCP should be addressing.
The cost of any T2 ship is based on supply and demand on the market. There's nothing CCP can do about it besides stepping in and changing the supply and demand of those components. Don't you get it? It's the sandbox in action.
It's been pointed out again and again that you can make a Hulk for around 100million ISK.
You are buying them for 275mil.
The rest of that, is profit from the persons making it.
So, tell me, why should the profit margins that players have set on the objects they produce affect the combat ability of the item?
Real PVP is any time another player affects another player directly. The reason you're paying 275mil and not 100mil is because of market PVP. There is no "real PVP", least of all in sandbox. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
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RealaiX
Yard Industries Seventh Heaven
5
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Posted - 2012.05.08 09:40:00 -
[391] - Quote
Destiny Corrupted wrote: Uh, buddy, it kind of is. While the broken window parable holds true in real life, in real life there's also the potential for limitless innovation. In EVE, you're limited to building from a few thousand specific blueprints, utilizing a few hundred material types, all of which CCP created. Who would buy the stuff you made, if that stuff hardly got destroyed? Do you think new Hulks would get sold, if everybody already had one and used it with impunity?
Also, there would be quite a bit of pvp without "industrials." And by "industrials," I of course mean carebears. You see, you're under the assumption that the bears are the only ones who build anything in this game, which couldn't be further from the truth. I have a fully-skilled industrial alt, which I never use because it's simply a more efficient use of my time to grind out some ISK in a wormhole when I need it. So do all of my "scumbag" friends.
We don't need you; you need us.
you are a real funny word-twisting-to-every-post-commenting-troll !
I said there wouldnt be pvp without industrials, not carebears ! so im not under a wrong assumption like u wrote ! Sure the most pvp alliances in 0.0 got their ways to get their ships too (and im not enlighting the ways how some of them do it..) And if you would read my post a lil more concentrated u would have recognized that i'm not whining about loosing a hulk or anything in eve.. thats the way eve is !
I was just saying that there are some people who really enjoy the industrial part of eve ! and i dont get why hardcore players always think its all about pvp and their playing style !
funny fact: some ppl got enough action in real life and they really enjoy staying in a belt,do trading while watching a movie and talking to corpmates ! |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
413
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Posted - 2012.05.08 10:02:00 -
[392] - Quote
Industry is pvp. |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
114
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Posted - 2012.05.08 10:03:00 -
[393] - Quote
OP was a sick gazelle and as such was culled by nature. Like the plains of Africa, the strongest and most fit survive which keeps the herd healthy. Do not mourn it's loss, it's apart of the great circle of life and through it's suffering, the pride too remains healthy.
Without predator, the prey will devour all of its resources and will die off as it's population is left unchecked. Without prey, the predator will starve.
A symbiotic relationship exists and nature will find its correct medium. |
Angelus Ryan
Ama Nesciri.
4
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Posted - 2012.05.08 10:11:00 -
[394] - Quote
Ispia Jaydrath wrote:
You say this is supposed to be insulting, so I have to assume that you think our self-worth is based on a belief that we are honourable elitepvp space warriors.
It isn't. It's based on hurting people.
I find this statement disturbingly appealing.
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RealaiX
Yard Industries Seventh Heaven
5
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Posted - 2012.05.08 10:12:00 -
[395] - Quote
Orly Rly wrote: Real PvP is 2+ players who both think they can have the advantage in a given circumstance.
so true ! anyone played ut99 instagib? that was pvp 1on1 action
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
238
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Posted - 2012.05.08 10:21:00 -
[396] - Quote
RealaiX wrote:I was just saying that there are some people who really enjoy the industrial part of eve ! and i dont get why hardcore players always think its all about pvp and their playing style !
funny fact: some ppl got enough action in real life and they really enjoy staying in a belt,do trading while watching a movie and talking to corpmates !
You want to talk about people that want their form of gameplay foisted on everyone else? Look no further than the thread creator and the army of Hulk pilots that followed. These people are so up their own ass that not only are they still flying Hulks during Hulkageddon, they're refusing to even tank their ships because it might hurt ~their yield~. And then, when their quite frankly ridiculous decisions come back to bite them in the ass, they dogpile onto the game forums and bleat on about how THEY ARE QUITTING HULKAGEDDON MADE THEM QUIT YOU HAVE LOST A CUSTOMER CCP, which is just a pathetic attempt to use their subscriptions to hold CCP hostage and force a gameplay change that CCP clearly doesn't want to make.
That to me is about a thousand times worse than PVP'ers trying to make sure that a PVP game remains that way. We're lucky that CCP, for all of their flaws, is uncompromising when it comes to their vision of the game overall - lesser companies might not have been. |
RealaiX
Yard Industries Seventh Heaven
5
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Posted - 2012.05.08 11:13:00 -
[397] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:RealaiX wrote:I was just saying that there are some people who really enjoy the industrial part of eve ! and i dont get why hardcore players always think its all about pvp and their playing style !
funny fact: some ppl got enough action in real life and they really enjoy staying in a belt,do trading while watching a movie and talking to corpmates ! You want to talk about people that want their form of gameplay foisted on everyone else? Look no further than the thread creator and the army of Hulk pilots that followed. These people are so up their own ass that not only are they still flying Hulks during Hulkageddon, they're refusing to even tank their ships because it might hurt ~their yield~. And then, when their quite frankly ridiculous decisions come back to bite them in the ass, they dogpile onto the game forums and bleat on about how THEY ARE QUITTING HULKAGEDDON MADE THEM QUIT YOU HAVE LOST A CUSTOMER CCP, which is just a pathetic attempt to use their subscriptions to hold CCP hostage and force a gameplay change that CCP clearly doesn't want to make. That to me is about a thousand times worse than PVP'ers trying to make sure that a PVP game remains that way. We're lucky that CCP, for all of their flaws, is uncompromising when it comes to their vision of the game overall - lesser companies might not have been.
yea you are right ! but i wasnt reffering to the thread itself anymore i was just commenting on stupid comments of people that want their form of gameplay foisted on everyone else !
fly safe :) |
Halete
Teraa Matar White-Lotus
115
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Posted - 2012.05.08 11:33:00 -
[398] - Quote
If this isn't a fish for replies I don't know what is. Dirty heretical mud-child, reporting in. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
807
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Posted - 2012.05.08 11:43:00 -
[399] - Quote
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
You really think we're going to drop 800-odd million ISK to gank an almost fully-insured T1 battleship, that doesn't even have expensive modules fit?
How blind and stupid you are.
In EVE, ANYTHING will get ganked by ANYTHING.
If you do not know that, or claim to not know that, you are indeed Troll.
Maybe if you stopped being a Forum Jezebel for 2 seconds and actually played the game.......... "Every other expansion has catered to the pew-pew need for more things to blow up; to more public cries of, "see how valuable I am!" - anon-á "You have to understand that the human ego will do whatever it takes to get attention because it needs to know that it exists." -- RuPaul |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
415
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Posted - 2012.05.08 11:53:00 -
[400] - Quote
I'll give you an 8 for the post, and a 1 for the choice of target. |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
807
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Posted - 2012.05.08 11:54:00 -
[401] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote: These people are so up their own ass that not only are they still flying Hulks during Hulkageddon, they're refusing to even tank their ships because it might hurt ~their yield~.
SOME of us actually know what we are doing. "Every other expansion has catered to the pew-pew need for more things to blow up; to more public cries of, "see how valuable I am!" - anon-á "You have to understand that the human ego will do whatever it takes to get attention because it needs to know that it exists." -- RuPaul |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.05.08 11:57:00 -
[402] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote: and bleat on about how THEY ARE QUITTING HULKAGEDDON MADE THEM QUIT YOU HAVE LOST A CUSTOMER CCP, which is just a pathetic attempt to use their subscriptions to hold CCP hostage and force a gameplay change that CCP clearly doesn't want to make.
I taste YOUR bleating. It's delicious......... Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Snot Shot
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
202
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Posted - 2012.05.08 12:55:00 -
[403] - Quote
Orly Rly wrote:I don't care what you do. I'm just pointing out (like many others) that ganking mining ships is the absolute height of bravery and PvP skill. Nothing in this game gives a player a higher merit of skill and dedication that having 90% of your kills as empire miner ganks and jetcan flips that turned out well against some 20-day newbie. It's so awesome, that I hear all the big null alliances are making a come back to Empire for this reason.
Since insultive sarcasm is the way you communicate, perhaps this will make more sense to you. If these people are dumb enough to go mining in barges when they know the event is active then they deserve to get ganked. Go do something else, unsub for the month, or use a fleet of boosted BSGÇÖs to mine with during the time.
This is what happens when you recruit half of EVE to use as sheep to shoot structures out in 0.0. After youGÇÖre done, youGÇÖre stuck with 30,000 sheep with nothing to grind. This is one of the biggest reasons The Martini is pushing Hulkegeddon so much. To keep his sheep from fighting with each other and getting farmed by small roaming 0.0 gangs all the time, heGÇÖs opened the gates and let them out into Empire to GÇ£hunt downGÇ¥ the slowest and easiest targets in the game....
Meanwhile they can manipulate the market to maximize profits, keep their own mining fleets grinding away out in 0.0 unmolested, and count their tech moons while adding to their blue and NIP listsGǪ ItGÇÖs EVE on GÇ£Easy LevelGÇ¥ or GÇ£EVE SimGÇ¥GǪGǪAt the end of the day, they will all have more isk than they could spend in a life time, a blue list that stretches around EVE, and no one to shoot....
No reason to get upset about it. ItGÇÖs a good game but you need to be flexible if youGÇÖre not willing to be one of the sheep... .
GÇ£God grant me the serenity to accept the things I canGÇÖt shoot, the courage to shoot the things I can, and the wisdom to GTFO!!GÇ¥GÇô Snot Shot - 2012.....Yeah I'm a killin machine..... http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50753
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Oxandrolone
Bite Me inc Exhale.
33
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:49:00 -
[404] - Quote
he is right about this.
its not about pilot skill or anything like that a 3mil ship shouldnt be able to kill a 300mil ship just because.... especially in highsec with no cost.
-10 alts in thrashers dont suffer because they just have an orca launch a ship for them, the sec penalty is irelivent.]
eve should be about consequences and there is no consiquence from a -10 person suicide ganking a miner in highsec. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
415
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:00:00 -
[405] - Quote
Oxandrolone wrote:he is right about this.
its not about pilot skill or anything like that a 3mil ship shouldnt be able to kill a 300mil ship just because.... especially in highsec with no cost.
-10 alts in thrashers dont suffer because they just have an orca launch a ship for them, the sec penalty is irelivent.]
eve should be about consequences and there is no consiquence from a -10 person suicide ganking a miner in highsec. I agree man, I think we should ban the griefers from the game as a consequence. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
518
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:10:00 -
[406] - Quote
I'm pretty sure the consequences of ganking miners are the reason why I'm not constantly ganking miners. So it's kind of strange to say that consequences don't exist when they very obviously do. |
Moroccan Tourist
CRITICAL Novus
3
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Posted - 2012.05.08 15:22:00 -
[407] - Quote
how about not letting -10 jump into high sec ?? :troll: and always get shot by sentries even in low sec ! |
Maeltstome
Epidemic. F0RCEFUL ENTRY
0
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Posted - 2012.05.08 15:34:00 -
[408] - Quote
300mil is nothing. If you understood this game you would know this.
If you're flying a hulk in hi-sec and mining tritanium then you are entirely missing the point of eve. Try join a corp in null-sec and make that kind of money in a few hours on real minerals that hulks where designed to mine. |
Jayrendo Karr
Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth
99
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Posted - 2012.05.08 15:45:00 -
[409] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:Jayrendo Karr wrote:Unlike that situation, hulks cant fire a pre-emptive strike. If ganking were rare the hulk would be just fine, but ganking is common so the hulk must evolve. As long as you're happy with a heavier tank, but lower yield and cargo ... then fine ... trade-offs, correct? But the impression I get from the super-carebears is that they want a super-heavy tank, the same yield and the same cargo space. The hulk itself is fine, but no idustrial ships with tanks exist. The hulk is like tier 3 BC, high yield , but no tank, mining needs a high tank lowyield ship built FOR MINERS, a BS can do it but it isn't in the miners skill plan. |
Snot Shot
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
203
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Posted - 2012.05.08 15:51:00 -
[410] - Quote
LetGÇÖs just say both sides are correct. CCP looks at how many people it affects to determine if an issue needs a tweak and how many tweaks it would take to balance according to todayGÇÖs game play. Sure they could up the tank on mining barges, allow Concord to shoot pods that have sec issues in high sec systems, or any other quick fix, but at the end of the day the **** storm of tears that would come from goonies donGÇÖt make the attempt worth it right now.
Let goonies burn themselves out on shooting barges in Empire. Wait for the Hulkegeddon hype to fade away for a few monthsGǪGǪGǪGǪGǪ..then slide in a few tweaks that make it more difficult the next time.
CCP canGÇÖt keep running around putting out fires that players start. Sometimes they need to let the fire go and burn everything down before they can rebuild. This is the GÇ£payoffGÇ¥ for goonies bluing and NIPGÇÖing there way to the doorstep of Empire. Let them shoot and take everything they want from the little guys of EVE because this is what was done to them when they first tried to enterGǪGǪGǪ 0.0 years ago... . GÇ£God grant me the serenity to accept the things I canGÇÖt shoot, the courage to shoot the things I can, and the wisdom to GTFO!!GÇ¥GÇô Snot Shot - 2012.....Yeah I'm a killin machine..... http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50753
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Diomedes Gambito
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.05.08 15:53:00 -
[411] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.
I stopped following the thread at 5th page. Emo-rage-quit ? then just quit no need to open a thread about it, it is as same as jita "I quit scams..." You obviously failed at learning EVE mechanics, CCP rules and many other out there aspects of EVE and now crying for a hug.
As many said, the warning was out there that HG is coming, but even without it ganking in EVE was always there and in your case there was even team effort (3 pilots co-operated to kill your Hulk), if you look for fair gank isk ratio loss mine in an ibis. You took out a 300 mil ship out to a .5 system with HG running across Eden and thought you'll make ISK untouchable? You were wrong, there is no IDDQD god mode cheat (I'll mine in Hulk) in EVE and probably will never be implemented by CCP .
If you chose EVE for your amusement to spend $ to see lasers pop pixels, then EVE was wrong investment. No idea why you opened this thread for at all. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
107
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:39:00 -
[412] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.
hulkageddon made me yawn.... [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
107
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:40:00 -
[413] - Quote
Jayrendo Karr wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Jayrendo Karr wrote:Unlike that situation, hulks cant fire a pre-emptive strike. If ganking were rare the hulk would be just fine, but ganking is common so the hulk must evolve. As long as you're happy with a heavier tank, but lower yield and cargo ... then fine ... trade-offs, correct? But the impression I get from the super-carebears is that they want a super-heavy tank, the same yield and the same cargo space. The hulk itself is fine, but no idustrial ships with tanks exist. The hulk is like tier 3 BC, high yield , but no tank, mining needs a high tank lowyield ship built FOR MINERS, a BS can do it but it isn't in the miners skill plan.
good arguement for upping the base armor or shield amount and leaving the slots alone. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
Pillage DeLoot
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:59:00 -
[414] - Quote
Diomedes Gambito wrote:Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded. I stopped following the thread at 5th page. Emo-rage-quit ? then just quit no need to open a thread about it, it is as same as jita "I quit scams..." You obviously failed at learning EVE mechanics, CCP rules and many other out there aspects of EVE and now crying for a hug. As many said, the warning was out there that HG is coming, but even without it ganking in EVE was always there and in your case there was even team effort (3 pilots co-operated to kill your Hulk), if you look for fair gank isk ratio loss mine in an ibis. You took out a 300 mil ship out to a .5 system with HG running across Eden and thought you'll make ISK untouchable? You were wrong, there is no IDDQD god mode cheat (I'll mine in Hulk) in EVE and probably will never be implemented by CCP . If you chose EVE for your amusement to spend $ to see lasers pop pixels, then EVE was wrong investment. No idea why you opened this thread for at all.
Always makes me remember this video |
AzulOso
Active Fusion Cold Fusion.
0
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Posted - 2012.05.08 17:54:00 -
[415] - Quote
Solution is rather simple. Dock your vessels and let this "Mighty" storm of brave souls and courageous captains pass. I love mining and find this event tiresome, but it shall pass. |
evil art
The Forgotten Navy Gentlemen's Agreement
6
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Posted - 2012.05.08 19:23:00 -
[416] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.
are you trolling? :) |
Ristlin Wakefield
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.05.08 19:37:00 -
[417] - Quote
This event is very important and is giving new players very exciting opportunities. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
522
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Posted - 2012.05.08 20:17:00 -
[418] - Quote
Ristlin Wakefield wrote:This event is very important and is giving new players very exciting opportunities. It's true. T2 strip miners sell for 7-8 million and even the T1 strip miners sell for a few million each. A new player can easily wait for a hulk to be ganked, loot the wreck and salvage it for easy money. |
Kaavod
OM NOM NOM Mining Co
1
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Posted - 2012.05.08 20:21:00 -
[419] - Quote
As a miner i say this: thank you for leaving the belts to people who actually keep an eye on current events. |
Felsusguy
Try-Cycle Mining Industry
3
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Posted - 2012.05.08 21:53:00 -
[420] - Quote
Tau Cabalander wrote:If you were a victim of a hisec gank, what steps did you take to avoid that gank?
As a miner and industrialist for over 3 years now, and still owning my first Hulk, I have to ask: How the heck do you get ganked in hisec? Because the only ways I know of require you to:
1. Be AFK, so begging to be ganked. 2. Be ignorant of all the advice available on how to avoid being ganked. 3. Be too lazy to follow all the advice available on how to avoid being ganked. 4. Have recruited a ganker into your corp without checking (also see #2 and #3 above).
What am I missing?
I fully believe that everything good or bad that happens to you in EVE is because of your own actions or inaction. When I lose a ship, I know it was because I screwed-up, or knowingly took an exceptional risk, so there is nobody to blame but myself. Well there are some cases when a system can be pretty barren, suddenly a thrasher warps incredibly close to you, turns on the afterburners, gets in range, fires unrelentingly, and by the time you are fully aligned, poof. Where did your barge go?
That's never happened to me, but I've witnessed it. |
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Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
454
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Posted - 2012.05.08 22:29:00 -
[421] - Quote
Kaavod wrote:As a miner i say this: thank you for leaving the belts to people who actually keep an eye on current events.
not empty quotin' |
Angry Onions
League of Angered Gentlemen
218
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Posted - 2012.05.08 22:42:00 -
[422] - Quote
I just woke up from a stupidity induced coma, but before I did this, this thread only had a couple of pages. Did anything important transpire here while I was out? Or is my brain going to shut down from this thread again? E .-+ ` ' / -+. F Your Carebear tears fuel us
Heil Hizzle Mein Nizzles. |
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
98
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Posted - 2012.05.09 01:02:00 -
[423] - Quote
Pffffffffffffffffffffff................ I'll better go mining................ |
Eryn Velasquez
41
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Posted - 2012.05.09 06:52:00 -
[424] - Quote
Destiny Corrupted wrote:Oxandrolone wrote: eve should be about consequences and there is no consiquence from a -10 person suicide ganking a miner in highsec.
I agree man, I think we should ban the griefers from the game as a consequence.
I also agree, but banning? Send them to a SP-extracting facility. A criminal activity should have consequences, that hurt.
Give it a cooldown timer, so if someone ganks the first time on a day, the highest skill he has trained will be taken. If he does the second gank on the same day, the next skill goes to trash.
GÇ£A man's freedom consists in his being able to do whatever he wills, but that he should not, by any human power, be forced to do what is against his will.GÇ¥-áGÇò Jean-Jacques Rousseau-á |
Syndic Thrass
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
117
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Posted - 2012.05.09 07:31:00 -
[425] - Quote
RealaiX wrote:[quote=Snow Axe][quote=RealaiX]Stupid bullshit
Dear miners bitching in this thread, I recently realized that Syndic has almots 7.0 standings with Caldari Navy! This means I have access to many a locator agent. You're first meight. I'll see you soon.
Reguards, Iskies-mommies-toonies-corpies-goonies 0707 m8m8m8 |
Diomedes Gambito
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.05.09 10:14:00 -
[426] - Quote
Eryn Velasquez wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Oxandrolone wrote: eve should be about consequences and there is no consiquence from a -10 person suicide ganking a miner in highsec.
I agree man, I think we should ban the griefers from the game as a consequence. I also agree, but banning? Send them to a SP-extracting facility. A criminal activity should have consequences, that hurt. Give it a cooldown timer, so if someone ganks the first time on a day, the highest skill he has trained will be taken. If he does the second gank on the same day, the next skill goes to trash.
You all miss the point of this game design, no one ever said that hi-sec is "safe", hi-sec has different rules applied to it. Killing others people space ships is what this game is about, degrading pirates skills will not turn hi-sec into ponies and rainbows haven, as pirates will adapt to the new mechanics and still extract silly miners tears.
Hi sec not broken, its just people that don't want to adapt or change their ways of game style. Mining in a shiney ship at 0.5 sec system just made it easier to kill him, instead of lowering his isk/time ratio and mining in a proper tanked vessel OP ignored the Hulkageddon and now he cries for a hug that the world is not fair. Guess what the world is unfair, adapt to it. |
RealaiX
Yard Industries Seventh Heaven
5
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Posted - 2012.05.09 10:20:00 -
[427] - Quote
Syndic Thrass wrote:RealaiX wrote:[quote=Snow Axe][quote=RealaiX]Stupid bullshit Dear miners bitching in this thread, I recently realized that Syndic has almots 7.0 standings with Caldari Navy! This means I have access to many a locator agent. You're first meight. I'll see you soon.
omg im so scared now will you come alone at least?
good luck ! hope ull find me in a wh ^^
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Anke Eyrou
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.05.09 10:21:00 -
[428] - Quote
Hulkageddon is a fact of life which I accept as a miner in this large sandbox called Eve.
What I do expect however is just like in RL is the fact that I should be able to go about my normal business without being mugged especially if I am in High sec. I recognise the threat as always being there but do expect Concord to take more appropriate action rather than just destroy the offenders ship. i.e. make the punishment fit the crime by applying further sanctions just like in RL life the justice systems would do.
Proposals would be Concord forces the ganker to recompensate the victim in full for all costs of ship and fittings including any implants lost in the process at current market prices. Taken directly for the gankers wallet.
If the ganker is not able to do a refund in full then Concord reimburse the victim in full and then prevent the ganker from any further PVP until they have been reimbursed. This would force the ganker into a life of mining.
As a miner I do take the necessary steps accordingly to protect my investment and do not mine AFK.
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Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1142
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Posted - 2012.05.09 10:28:00 -
[429] - Quote
Eryn Velasquez wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Oxandrolone wrote: eve should be about consequences and there is no consiquence from a -10 person suicide ganking a miner in highsec.
I agree man, I think we should ban the griefers from the game as a consequence. I also agree, but banning? Send them to a SP-extracting facility. A criminal activity should have consequences, that hurt. Give it a cooldown timer, so if someone ganks the first time on a day, the highest skill he has trained will be taken. If he does the second gank on the same day, the next skill goes to trash.
Yes, take away gametime that someone paid for because they played the game within the rules.
Wait, whaaat?
Just because it is "illegal" in a RP sense in game, doesn't mean someone should have SP deducted from their account. That is pretty much full on ******. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1142
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Posted - 2012.05.09 10:33:00 -
[430] - Quote
Anke Eyrou wrote:What I do expect however is just like in RL is the fact that I should be able to go about my normal business without being mugged especially if I am in High sec Because in real life mugging can't happen because it is against the law, right? OK.
Quote: i.e. make the punishment fit the crime by applying further sanctions just like in RL life the justice systems would do I would support this fully .. but whilst we're casting foolish real world correlations onto Eve, lets also make it a realistic rate of conviction .. which would probably mean 90+% of CONCORD-able actions go completely unpunished.
I could probably go with that. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
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Eryn Velasquez
41
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Posted - 2012.05.09 10:47:00 -
[431] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Eryn Velasquez wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Oxandrolone wrote: eve should be about consequences and there is no consiquence from a -10 person suicide ganking a miner in highsec.
I agree man, I think we should ban the griefers from the game as a consequence. I also agree, but banning? Send them to a SP-extracting facility. A criminal activity should have consequences, that hurt. Give it a cooldown timer, so if someone ganks the first time on a day, the highest skill he has trained will be taken. If he does the second gank on the same day, the next skill goes to trash. Yes, take away gametime that someone paid for because they played the game within the rules. Wait, whaaat? Just because it is "illegal" in a RP sense in game, doesn't mean someone should have SP deducted from their account. That is pretty much full on ******.
So why do you loose SP if you die in a T3-Cruiser? GÇ£A man's freedom consists in his being able to do whatever he wills, but that he should not, by any human power, be forced to do what is against his will.GÇ¥-áGÇò Jean-Jacques Rousseau-á |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.05.09 11:22:00 -
[432] - Quote
Eryn Velasquez wrote:
So why do you loose SP if you die in a T3-Cruiser?
Ask CCP, that was their idea not the players.
Besides, the loss is only one Level of one SubSystem and they are Rank 1, so at WORST it's a 3 1/2 day train back up to Lvl 5. And they STILL throw fits about this. Ridiculous tears in fact. Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Eryn Velasquez
41
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Posted - 2012.05.09 11:45:00 -
[433] - Quote
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:Eryn Velasquez wrote:
So why do you loose SP if you die in a T3-Cruiser?
Ask CCP, that was their idea not the players. Besides, the loss is only one Level of one SubSystem and they are Rank 1, so at WORST it's a 3 1/2 day train back up to Lvl 5. And they STILL throw fits about this. Ridiculous tears in fact.
Would be the same ridiculous tears if a ganker looses 1 skill when committing a crime in highsec. Risc and reward, you know. GÇ£A man's freedom consists in his being able to do whatever he wills, but that he should not, by any human power, be forced to do what is against his will.GÇ¥-áGÇò Jean-Jacques Rousseau-á |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
816
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Posted - 2012.05.09 11:53:00 -
[434] - Quote
Eryn Velasquez wrote:
Would be the same ridiculous tears if a ganker looses 1 skill when committing a crime in highsec. Risc and reward, you know.
Sounds fair. And at RANDOM. Say, Battleships V goes bye-bye "Every other expansion has catered to the pew-pew need for more things to blow up; to more public cries of, "see how valuable I am!" - anon-á "You have to understand that the human ego will do whatever it takes to get attention because it needs to know that it exists." -- RuPaul |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
163
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Posted - 2012.05.09 11:58:00 -
[435] - Quote
Anke Eyrou wrote:Hulkageddon is a fact of life which I accept as a miner in this large sandbox called Eve.
What I do expect however is just like in RL is the fact that I should be able to go about my normal business without being mugged especially if I am in High sec.
OMG,
First: you really shouldnt compare a game to RL.
Second: there is nothing to stop someone mugging you in RL. If you are walking down the street anyone could turn around and punch you in the face.... Anyone! Then you would call the police, then they would show up sometime later, take a description and maybe go looking for the guy. and Maybe they would catch and punnish him.
At least in Eve Concord always punish the ganker.
Seriously, people need to HTFU in game rather than crying on the forums.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Ispia Jaydrath
Reib Autonomous Industries
65
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Posted - 2012.05.09 12:09:00 -
[436] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Eryn Velasquez wrote:
Would be the same ridiculous tears if a ganker looses 1 skill when committing a crime in highsec. Risc and reward, you know.
Sounds fair. And at RANDOM. Say, Battleships V goes bye-bye
ITT carebears sperge about how awesome it would be if CCP would just base game design on their sad little revenge fantasies.
The worst part is that it never even crosses their mind to take revenge themselves. Tells you what type of people they are, I suppose. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
816
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Posted - 2012.05.09 12:34:00 -
[437] - Quote
Syndic Thrass wrote:RealaiX wrote:[quote=Snow Axe][quote=RealaiX]Stupid bullshit Dear miners bitching in this thread, I recently realized that Syndic has almots 7.0 standings with Caldari Navy! This means I have access to many a locator agent. You're first meight. I'll see you soon.
Oh my freakin' god. really ? lolololololololololololololol "Every other expansion has catered to the pew-pew need for more things to blow up; to more public cries of, "see how valuable I am!" - anon-á "You have to understand that the human ego will do whatever it takes to get attention because it needs to know that it exists." -- RuPaul |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
816
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Posted - 2012.05.09 12:35:00 -
[438] - Quote
Ispia Jaydrath wrote: ITT carebears sperge about how awesome it would be if CCP would just base game design on their sad little revenge fantasies.
The worst part is that it never even crosses their mind to take revenge themselves. Tells you what type of people they are, I suppose.
You sound like your brain just formed a few hours ago tbh. "Every other expansion has catered to the pew-pew need for more things to blow up; to more public cries of, "see how valuable I am!" - anon-á "You have to understand that the human ego will do whatever it takes to get attention because it needs to know that it exists." -- RuPaul |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
816
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Posted - 2012.05.09 12:36:00 -
[439] - Quote
Jint Hikaru wrote:
At least in Eve Concord always punish the ganker.
Seriously, people need to HTFU in game rather than crying on the forums.
The louder crying actually comes from those who want to ban or evade Concord. Just google any of the threads about the Boomerang Exploit and enjoy the massive tear-flowage. (And give Herr Wilkus a big wet sloppy kiss from me while you are there reading). "Every other expansion has catered to the pew-pew need for more things to blow up; to more public cries of, "see how valuable I am!" - anon-á "You have to understand that the human ego will do whatever it takes to get attention because it needs to know that it exists." -- RuPaul |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1143
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Posted - 2012.05.09 12:39:00 -
[440] - Quote
Eryn Velasquez wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Eryn Velasquez wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Oxandrolone wrote: eve should be about consequences and there is no consiquence from a -10 person suicide ganking a miner in highsec.
I agree man, I think we should ban the griefers from the game as a consequence. I also agree, but banning? Send them to a SP-extracting facility. A criminal activity should have consequences, that hurt. Give it a cooldown timer, so if someone ganks the first time on a day, the highest skill he has trained will be taken. If he does the second gank on the same day, the next skill goes to trash. Yes, take away gametime that someone paid for because they played the game within the rules. Wait, whaaat? Just because it is "illegal" in a RP sense in game, doesn't mean someone should have SP deducted from their account. That is pretty much full on ******. So why do you loose SP if you die in a T3-Cruiser?
It's a mechanic particular to that exact ship and has no over-arching bearing on the entire game ecosphere.
What you are suggesting, is CCP steps into a sandbox, decides for the players what is right and wrong and imposes unilateral sanctions that affect the base metric to which people subscribe to the game. Effectiely, you are using a mechanic which "steps out" of the character and applies penalties to the players account and wallet.
Remember, they broke NO RULES when they ganked.
There are already in-game sanctions in place that don't break the sandbox, such as:
- Heavy security status penalties. These are set to get worse. - You will literally be banned from the game entirely if you try to circumvent the above. - The victim can freely fire on the ganker anytime, anyplace, for a month. - The loss of the gankers ship is absolute, the loss of the victims is not - No insurance on lost gank boats
But no ... you need MORE. You need MORE because checking DScan and leaving the belt when gankers are heading your way is just unacceptable to you.
You literally chose to stand in front of a moving train - and you expect something else to come in and save you because the mere idea you should be the person to say "hey, lets step left a moment" is just too much to ask, apparently.
The only thing, and I mean the ONLY thing, that can keep those players safe is the inability to fire on neutrals in highsec, since absolutely any protection they can give themselves is too much to ask. Everything else is just an endless stream of ignorant tears. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
816
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Posted - 2012.05.09 12:46:00 -
[441] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:It's a mechanic particular to that exact ship and has no over-arching bearing on the entire game ecosphere.
What you are suggesting....................(snip).
Irrelevant. In total.
The skill losses towards the T3 Cruiser are not punative towards a high sec violation.
One can lose the skill just for losing a ship to an NPC rat.
Next. "Every other expansion has catered to the pew-pew need for more things to blow up; to more public cries of, "see how valuable I am!" - anon-á "You have to understand that the human ego will do whatever it takes to get attention because it needs to know that it exists." -- RuPaul |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
816
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Posted - 2012.05.09 12:48:00 -
[442] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote: The loss of the gankers ship is absolute, the loss of the victims is not
Just ask the 3 week old noob mining in an Osprey about that. "Every other expansion has catered to the pew-pew need for more things to blow up; to more public cries of, "see how valuable I am!" - anon-á "You have to understand that the human ego will do whatever it takes to get attention because it needs to know that it exists." -- RuPaul |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1143
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Posted - 2012.05.09 13:43:00 -
[443] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:It's a mechanic particular to that exact ship and has no over-arching bearing on the entire game ecosphere.
What you are suggesting....................(snip). Irrelevant. In total. Please try to explain why so I can laugh heartily. Alas, my argument can't be brushed aside in two words.
Quote:Just ask the 3 week old noob mining in an Osprey about that Why? Why is his opinion on over-arching game mechanics more relevant than someone who has played the game longer?
Your silly strawman shows a lot about your bias, and makes no substantial point. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.05.09 14:05:00 -
[444] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote: Please try to explain why so I can laugh heartily. Alas, my argument can't be brushed aside in two words.
He did:
"The skill losses towards the T3 Cruiser are not punative towards a high sec violation.
One can lose the skill just for losing a ship to an NPC rat."
In a lot more than 2 words.
And 'fi" on your corp name. Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Eryn Velasquez
42
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Posted - 2012.05.09 14:51:00 -
[445] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:It's a mechanic particular to that exact ship and has no over-arching bearing on the entire game ecosphere.
What you are suggesting, is CCP steps into a sandbox, decides for the players what is right and wrong and imposes unilateral sanctions that affect the base metric to which people subscribe to the game. Effectiely, you are using a mechanic which "steps out" of the character and applies penalties to the players account and wallet.
Remember, they broke NO RULES when they ganked.
There are already in-game sanctions in place that don't break the sandbox, such as:
- Heavy security status penalties. These are set to get worse. - You will literally be banned from the game entirely if you try to circumvent the above. - The victim can freely fire on the ganker anytime, anyplace, for a month. - The loss of the gankers ship is absolute, the loss of the victims is not - No insurance on lost gank boats
But no ... you need MORE. You need MORE because checking DScan and leaving the belt when gankers are heading your way is just unacceptable to you.
The thing is - i really want a more realistic system regarding risc and reward. Your points are
- heavy security status penalties, this is true f++r the occasional ganker, who works it up again by ratting in low or null, it is nozt for the -10 chars - they don't give a **** on sec-status.
- banning for using exploits might be okay - for using game mechanics not.
- yeah, the victim can freely fire - with mining-lasers?
- absolute loss - of course, but it's a calculated loss. The only risc is somebody faster looting/salvaging the wreck as the ganker/alt himself.
- insurance - if you set your car against a wall and everything indicates it was your free decision - show me the insurance that pays, and i make a contract today.
Some weeks ago i thought of something like this, and i still think it would be better for both sides:
Regarding the sec-status of the highsec-systems, give the ganker the chance to get away. Just like in RL, a place in the center of the city will be better guarded by police than some hundred meters or even kilometers away.
This corresponds with the different sec-status, starting by 1.0 down to 0.5 in highsec.
So, in a 1.0 System the chance for the ganker to get away with his own ship and the prey should be significant lower than in a 0.5 system. This can be handled through concord response time, or the way concord deals with the ganker.
Could be something like: Sec-status - Chance to get caught (don't look too much on the % - they could be lower/higher, just as example) 1.0 - 80% 0.9 - 65% 0.8 - 50% 0.7 - 40% 0.6 - 25% 0.5 - 10%
And then we are at a point, where risc vs reward fits. If you get caught, you loose skillpoints or perhaps have to pay for the damage you made.
You see, i don't stand for a risc-free happy puppy wonderland. But the way it is now, it's bull****. GÇ£A man's freedom consists in his being able to do whatever he wills, but that he should not, by any human power, be forced to do what is against his will.GÇ¥-áGÇò Jean-Jacques Rousseau-á |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.05.09 16:44:00 -
[446] - Quote
Just this absolute WALL of text came out of nowhere and had its way with my eyes. He was brutal too. Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Vikura
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.09 17:50:00 -
[447] - Quote
Hulkageddon and hisec suiciders a problem?.. There is a solution!
Go play Perpetuum! Sure it's not ships in space, but robots on the ground. In there "hisec" (alpha islands) are 100% PvP free and players cannot attack each other unless player enables PvP by themself (not possible through canflipping or something, yes you have to enable it). There is no loot stealing either, but the 'wrecks' are owned for a small duration after which it becomes FFA. And there is still the "low-sec/null" islands for those who want to PvP (not so PvP free islands).
It's alot like EVE on how it works, skill system being little different in that, you generate "SP" (EP) that you can then use for your skills (extensions). So no wasted training time either, if you cannot login for some reason! Crafting system is little different also on how you make items.
Target locking, mining, manufacturing, hauling, PvP, PvE, Artifact scanning (explore), Missions, Trading, passive/active modules and the cycle time system, different factions with different weapon systems! It's all there! However... there is no contract system! So no contract scammers either! But you have to either list your stuff in market or directly trade with others in the same station...
Give it a try if EVE's "no 100% safe place" mentality is too much for you.
edit: oh also, it's WASD movement game, there is no warp to zero, you run the distances and use teleporters ("stargates") between inslands. /edit.
Ps. sorry for my crappy english... |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1144
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Posted - 2012.05.09 19:06:00 -
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Eryn Velasquez wrote:And then we are at a point, where risc vs reward fits. If you get caught, you loose skillpoints or perhaps have to pay for the damage you made.
You see, i don't stand for a risc-free happy puppy wonderland. But the way it is now, it's bull****
Your type just cannot understand that what you are talking about penalizing is a completely legitimate in game action. It's as legitimate as mining rocks.
So.
With that in mind, please tell me why someone who logs on after downtime and strips all the belts of the good stuff shouldn't have to have their SP removed as well. Mine too aggressively? Well its back to Retrievers for you as you retrain Exhumers. Again.
It's stupid, fundamentally flawed on the very base level and the only reason you see it otherwise is because your stupid sodding "right and wrong" compass is being operated within a virtual environment and telling you that some actions should be punished more than others. To explain the problem one last time, you are suggesting sanctions against someones account for actions taken in the game. If you were less bias on this issue you would see how absolutely unhinged suggesting that someone should pay, effectively, an IRL penalty for their actions. Remember (again!) we're not talking RMT or anything against the EULA, you want account sanctions for playing the game as intended.
As for your slightly more legit concerns:
"- heavy security status penalties, this is true f++r the occasional ganker, who works it up again by ratting in low or null, it is nozt for the -10 chars - they don't give a **** on sec-status."
See, the thing with -10 characters, is you can preemptively fire. So why don't you have someone jamming their Catalysts or exploding them out of the sky? For anything else, you need a lot of ratting. I'm sure you've never actually tried this, but believe me, a few hours of ratting to make up for accidentally nicking the pod as well feels like a consequence.
"yeah, the victim can freely fire - with mining-lasers?" You know what? Tough ****. If all he can use is mining lasers (and this is rarely ever the case) then he is paying the price for his skill specialization being too narrow. That's his choice. For anyone who hasn't pidgeon holed themselves kill rights are a very useful tool available to them and could end up costing the ganker a lot more than he bargained for. They're seldom used because the player is a giant festering carebear. But, again, their issue. The game is literally giving them a one sided advantage to take advantage of, too ******* bad if they don't.
"absolute loss - of course, but it's a calculated loss. The only risc is somebody faster looting/salvaging the wreck as the ganker/alt himself"
No, there's a legitimate chance the RNG goes against you and your gank fails, and you're out n-ships and the victim loses nothing.
"insurance - if you set your car against a wall and everything indicates it was your free decision - show me the insurance that pays, and i make a contract today."
Not sure on your point here. I stated insurance is void for gankers. I'm not arguing for or against it, I am stating it is a consequence. Your real-world analogies don't help. This is not the real world.
"Regarding the sec-status of the highsec-systems, give the ganker the chance to get away. Just like in RL, a place in the center of the city will be better guarded by police than some hundred meters or even kilometers away."
No, this is always silly. Loss needs to be absolute in this case for balance. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1144
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Posted - 2012.05.09 19:07:00 -
[449] - Quote
BTW you may want to notice that Perpeetum online has about 500 people logged on at any one time. So that PVP flag is really boosting their subscriber count! - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Vikura
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.09 22:22:00 -
[450] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:BTW you may want to notice that Perpeetum online has about 500 people logged on at any one time. So that PVP flag is really boosting their subscriber count!
That or bad advertising. I still would not know about that game if someone did not post about it ~1 year ago in EVE forums...
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Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1145
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Posted - 2012.05.09 22:57:00 -
[451] - Quote
Vikura wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:BTW you may want to notice that Perpeetum online has about 500 people logged on at any one time. So that PVP flag is really boosting their subscriber count! That or bad advertising. I still would not know about that game if someone did not post about it ~1 year ago in EVE forums... I don't have any figures, but I have a feeling their player retention is pretty terrible. As in, when I tried it the majority of the forums were posts from people telling the Devs why they weren't going to stay subbed. You get a little of that here, sure, but it struck me as a massive thing over there. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
69
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Posted - 2012.05.10 09:33:00 -
[452] - Quote
So basically miners die, carebears whine and we get to have the same frickin arguement we have every hulkageddon only this time with extra doses of full on ******. |
Natalia LaFontaine
Ne Pleurez Pas Heureux mort
0
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:01:00 -
[453] - Quote
so i've had an idea that might work. but first, let me say this isn't a "cry for help" from a carebear.
yeah, i'm a highsec miner. i mine highsec because i'm not fond of pvp in this game. but that's ok, since there's maybe things you can do in this game with out pvp i just happen to enjoy mining. makes me feel like i'm fishing. grabe a beer, relax and bs with a friend or two. no big deal.
highsec also provides higher security. unfortunately, this security is a bit lacking in effectiveness. yes, an outlaw will get his ship blown up and all that, but there's a good chance that my tanked hulk will go down in flames as well and that would turn me into a sad panda :(
I would like to see higher security. more concord ships in the system. presence in the asteroid belts in the for of a roaving patrol or permanet station or droid turret. something along those lines. that would be a huge nerf to the pvpers thou and that sucks. i hate nerfs.
in order to balance this, how about an increase in taxes in all highsec stations? higher resear/manufacturing fees? something that would lessen our productivity in highsec. this would encourage the hardcore miners/industrialists to low/null sec while the casual player wouldn't realy care about the higher fees so they would be willing to remain in highsec and pay for enchanced securit?
this would also encourate the carebear pvper to low/null sec as well since a simple highsec gank would be less effective. not impossible, just harder to pull off. the miner cry for isk balance would be adressed as well since it would require gankers to invest in larger, more effective ships to get the job done.
there's probably a number of other things that i'm missing, but i would like to hear any thoughs on this. |
Thalen Draganos
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.05.10 23:33:00 -
[454] - Quote
I'm sure that some one has probably said this before but the solution to the problem the OP has is so simple it's painful. Eve is a sandbox. Player based actions are what make this game we all play unique. As such, if you don't want to pvp, than you don't have to. There are ways around it. The only failure is the imagination of the player doing all of the whining. To ask CCP to restrict one players playing style and allow another to play as they see fit makes the game no longer a sandbox. Plain and simple. It's just wrong. If you subscribed to Eve, expecting anything but an unrestricted playing environment than it is you who are the one that is faulty. Not the game. You should have done a great deal more research in the game than you have or haven't done before spending your money.
Putting it simply, Eve is the kitchen. If you can't take the heat, GTFO. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1151
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Posted - 2012.05.10 23:33:00 -
[455] - Quote
The issues with the idea of nerfing highsec rewards with the benefit of better security is it is artificial, and unnecessary. My issues are:
- The hardcore carebear will stay in highsec anyway rather than reap rewards elsewhere (see: PI whine threads .. the current situation anyway, as it happens) - It creates a bigger step between the "safer" areas and lowsec/null; its a larger barrier for a new player to eventually step over - There's no solid reason why it would need to be implemented that can't be otherwise assuaged by player competence in the existing system. - Safety breeds a desire for more safety and does nothing to stop players joining and becoming career carebears, quite the opposite
You're kinda beating up the right tree; the reason to leave highsec should be the greater rewards of other space, both financial and with respect to gameplay opportunities. The way to do this isn't to make the safer zones even safer however, as that corrals people into that safety in a more vigorous manner. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Jacob Staffuer
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.11 18:40:00 -
[456] - Quote
You don't have to quit Eve to continue mining! I gave Helicity 2 billion isk and he added me to the white list. Now, when destroyers warp into my belt, they see me and help kill off the belt rats that spawn before warping off. Paying Helicity was the best investment I've ever made! |
Hrothgar Nilsson
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.11 20:24:00 -
[457] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded. I've been playing this game for 19 whole days, and have made 160 million ISK in the last four days alone. All total, assets+ISK I'm worth about ~250 million ISK.
I don't really see the rationale in throwing away a character with a year's worth of skill points over something a 19-day old dude can earn in 7-8 days. Surely you can do better than me even.
I have a ~35 million ISK PvExor, ~15 million Ninjax, and ~8 million Salvagyst. Don't undock what you can't afford to lose. And in the end, ~300 million can be earned back in a week easily. |
Mordecai Braeden
Industrial Gambit
0
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Posted - 2012.05.12 00:22:00 -
[458] - Quote
Diomedes Gambito wrote:Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded. I stopped following the thread at 5th page. Emo-rage-quit ? then just quit no need to open a thread about it, it is as same as jita "I quit scams..." You obviously failed at learning EVE mechanics, CCP rules and many other out there aspects of EVE and now crying for a hug. As many said, the warning was out there that HG is coming, but even without it ganking in EVE was always there and in your case there was even team effort (3 pilots co-operated to kill your Hulk), if you look for fair gank isk ratio loss mine in an ibis. You took out a 300 mil ship out to a .5 system with HG running across Eden and thought you'll make ISK untouchable? You were wrong, there is no IDDQD god mode cheat (I'll mine in Hulk) in EVE and probably will never be implemented by CCP . If you chose EVE for your amusement to spend $ to see lasers pop pixels, then EVE was wrong investment. No idea why you opened this thread for at all.
The way you put your words on here is very cocky and just another reply as a smartass. Explain to me then why I never heard of Hulkageddon before I was shot in my retriever? Mining, like a boss, but boom gone was my ship. Oh, and not in Low Sec, no no, in High Sec. Bringing out a 10 million ship in my case out in a .7 system with HG running across Eden. I'm flying out there like I'm the king. But damn, it's a retriever and not a Hulk. But still I get ganked because it's Hulkageddon.
I'm a 1 month old player in this game and you have to agree with this on some lvl. It's totally f*cked in the head that you can pwn a 300million ship with just a puny little 2 mill ship in a few shot. Hell even my retriever was pwned in 3 shots.
If a 2 mill ship comes up against a Hulk he should be shooting for 10 minutes to dmg it with it's T1 weaponry and ****** ship. Yet it only takes a few blows and that's what's so f*cked up about this so called "system"
We take days of hard work to get a 300mil ship(without fitting) which can get destroyed by the nearest douchebag within 5 seconds...
HG is just an excuse to nuke miners, but it happens outside HG as well... I can totally imagine Jeremy quits this game cuz of this ****. Played hard and long to get where he's now. And some stupid kids invent an event to kill the miners -_-'
I thought Eve was a more mature game, guess every game has it's kids in it... |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
429
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Posted - 2012.05.12 03:50:00 -
[459] - Quote
Mordecai Braeden wrote:I'm a 1 month old player in this game and you have to agree with this on some lvl. It's totally f*cked in the head that you can pwn a 300million ship with just a puny little 2 mill ship in a few shot. Hell even my retriever was pwned in 3 shots.
If a 2 mill ship comes up against a Hulk he should be shooting for 10 minutes to dmg it with it's T1 weaponry and ****** ship. Yet it only takes a few blows and that's what's so f*cked up about this so called "system" I can wreck your $300,000 sports car with a $15 hammer. Also, the cops won't kill me within 20 seconds for doing so.
Mordecai Braeden wrote:I thought Eve was a more mature game, guess every game has it's kids in it... You can start whining about kids ruining your game after you learn the difference between a possessive and a contraction. |
Ispia Jaydrath
Reib Autonomous Industries
65
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Posted - 2012.05.12 04:47:00 -
[460] - Quote
Mordecai Braeden wrote:Explain to me then why I never heard of Hulkageddon before I was shot in my retriever?
Because you're poorly informed. If you had paid any attention to anything about eve - NPC corp chat, newbie help, local, eve forums, en24, blogs, twitter, gaming media, anything, you could not have failed to hear about burn jita and hulkageddon.
You didn't, so you lost your ship.
Knowledge is power. I recommend getting some. |
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Majuan Shuo
Sons Of 0din
18
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Posted - 2012.05.12 04:50:00 -
[461] - Quote
can i have your thoughts? "I believe the Winter expansion needs to be a huge success, and so they are giving us ice cream, and cake, and ice cream cake, and pizza, and hookers, and blow, and pizza. Any and everything they think players want and they can do by winter, they will stuff into this expansion." |
Hrothgar Nilsson
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.12 05:43:00 -
[462] - Quote
Now I'm only ~20 days old here, but...
Are you miner guys just out there solo mining oblivious to everything around you and alternative methods?
Here's a few things that seems like a no-brainer to me:
- post scouts at the stargates monitoring who's entering the system.
- a scout fleeted w/a miner can see if gankers entering the system align themselves to where hulks are when warping. gives hulk a headstart on warping out and docking.
- scouts can also see if probes are being launched, give a head's up.
- pre-align yourself toward a starbase when mining to eliminate alignment time.
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Tysinger
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2
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Posted - 2012.05.12 05:59:00 -
[463] - Quote
Shoulda Checked Local
Nuff said :) |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
378
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Posted - 2012.05.12 14:38:00 -
[464] - Quote
Plekto wrote:About "tanking".
You do realize that there are other ways to tank than shields and armor? If the enemy can't lock you or has no cap after the first volley, its over for them. Why is this important? Because all of the enemies know that it takes two volleys in 4 or 5 of these destroyers to get the job done. They almost never send more than 4 or 5 destroyers or cruisers.
You're down to low armor after the first volley and then... ... .... Concord finishes them, since no ganker usually fits ECCM on these ships. (note - a passive targeter is key here so they don't know you have ECM/jammers/etc fitted)
Note - for more advanced tactics, you could use a stealth bomber as support. Unlock, target your Hulk (all in less than a second) and fire off a void bomb. You might lose the bomber, but you'd certainly end up getting the gankers killed by concord as it would make their caps all drop to 0. Since their weapons take 4 or 5 seconds to cycle, you have enough time to pull this off.
And these are just off the top of my head. There are TONS of things you can do to protect yourself. You just have to do so (#1 is to get into a corp with PVPers along for the ride)
So bombs can be launched in hisec now?
1/10.
In irae, veritas. |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
73
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Posted - 2012.05.12 14:39:00 -
[465] - Quote
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Plekto wrote:About "tanking".
You do realize that there are other ways to tank than shields and armor? If the enemy can't lock you or has no cap after the first volley, its over for them. Why is this important? Because all of the enemies know that it takes two volleys in 4 or 5 of these destroyers to get the job done. They almost never send more than 4 or 5 destroyers or cruisers.
You're down to low armor after the first volley and then... ... .... Concord finishes them, since no ganker usually fits ECCM on these ships. (note - a passive targeter is key here so they don't know you have ECM/jammers/etc fitted)
Note - for more advanced tactics, you could use a stealth bomber as support. Unlock, target your Hulk (all in less than a second) and fire off a void bomb. You might lose the bomber, but you'd certainly end up getting the gankers killed by concord as it would make their caps all drop to 0. Since their weapons take 4 or 5 seconds to cycle, you have enough time to pull this off.
And these are just off the top of my head. There are TONS of things you can do to protect yourself. You just have to do so (#1 is to get into a corp with PVPers along for the ride) So bombs can be launched in hisec now? 1/10.
So you only addressed one point in that post? 1/10 |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
378
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Posted - 2012.05.12 14:44:00 -
[466] - Quote
Plekto wrote:Yes, gankers don't always need cap to fire, but sometimes they fly ships with other weapons on them that require cap (especially in low sec). You could fire off a lock breaker or something else and the time it takes them to realize what happened and re-lock manually the barge(s) are in warp. Of course the bomber gets reamed most likely by the now very angry gankers. I mentioned this as the person before me mentioned low sec. I didn't mention that this was a low sec only tactic. My bad.
But the previous tactic in high of nerfing one or two ships damage by jamming them is valid. There's a whole skill tree and sub-section in the market for ECM and ECCM. That hardly anyone uses it is their problem. It's the best defense a miner has.
It all depends. That's my point - there are always things you can do to protect yourself in high low, or 0. You just have to NOT be AFK.
edit - I even log off to post here. AFK is as good as dead in EVE.
I'll say it slowly, one more time for the feeb:
BOMBS
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ARE
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NOT
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USEABLE
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IN
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0.1+ RATED SPACE.
It's not "launch and get a GCC," it's "You can fit and load the module, but the game won't let you fire it." (The message from Aura's charming voice, IIRC, is "You cannot use that here, as it is currently against Empire policy.")
For ****'s sake...
In irae, veritas. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
378
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Posted - 2012.05.12 15:02:00 -
[467] - Quote
Darek Castigatus wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Plekto wrote:About "tanking".
You do realize that there are other ways to tank than shields and armor? If the enemy can't lock you or has no cap after the first volley, its over for them. Why is this important? Because all of the enemies know that it takes two volleys in 4 or 5 of these destroyers to get the job done. They almost never send more than 4 or 5 destroyers or cruisers.
You're down to low armor after the first volley and then... ... .... Concord finishes them, since no ganker usually fits ECCM on these ships. (note - a passive targeter is key here so they don't know you have ECM/jammers/etc fitted)
Note - for more advanced tactics, you could use a stealth bomber as support. Unlock, target your Hulk (all in less than a second) and fire off a void bomb. You might lose the bomber, but you'd certainly end up getting the gankers killed by concord as it would make their caps all drop to 0. Since their weapons take 4 or 5 seconds to cycle, you have enough time to pull this off.
And these are just off the top of my head. There are TONS of things you can do to protect yourself. You just have to do so (#1 is to get into a corp with PVPers along for the ride) So bombs can be launched in hisec now? 1/10. So you only addressed one point in that post? 1/10
After that single monumental gurgling spit-up of stupid, I saw no need to go further.
Suicide-gankers are not a worry in the places where you can use bombs. In irae, veritas. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
378
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Posted - 2012.05.12 16:11:00 -
[468] - Quote
Felsusguy wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Felsusguy wrote:My point still stands regardless of you view on playing the game.
It's a shame, however, how Exhumers work. Here we have ships whose descriptions say they are meant for null-sec mining, and yet they can be easily destroyed in high-sec.
My one request to CCP about exhumers is Remove thou label or make thou label truth You seem to associate "meant for null-sec mining" with not needing any escort to perform their function. Exhumers indeed do fulfill that role, handily might I add, with their upgraded defensive capabilities, which allow them to survive a 0.0 rat spawn long enough for support to arrive, or to withdraw from the field (they can even tank weaker spawns perpetually). They, however, were never intended to survive a focused capsuleer assault, the defense for which lies squarely on the exhumer pilot's shoulders. Unlike a rat spawn, enemy players appear in local, giving the exhumer pilot sufficient time to make a retreat before contact is made. On the contrary, I do not believe exhumers should be able to mine without fear of attack, though they should be able to at least withstand an initial attack in time for their fleet or concord to respond. Killing an exhumer should take more than it currently does, and the only true cost of such an attack is security status loss, which is a minor one at most. Not being able to survive an attack long enough for others to defend them is rather contradictory to their purpose.
You have local.
You have the d-scanner.
You have the ability to "flag" potential enemies to more quickly see them when they show in local.
You have the option of mining in a quiet, low-populated system to notice the enemy even sooner.
The best defense for a non-combat ship is to maintain situational awareness, and then make use of it.
Working as intended.
In irae, veritas. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
378
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Posted - 2012.05.12 17:26:00 -
[469] - Quote
Eryn Velasquez wrote: [...]
I also agree, but banning? Send them to a SP-extracting facility. A criminal activity should have consequences, that hurt.
Give it a cooldown timer, so if someone ganks the first time on a day, the highest skill he has trained will be taken. If he does the second gank on the same day, the next skill goes to trash.
My God, I don't think I've ever seen anything so arse-about-face ****** up. Which with this community, is bloody well saying something
What are you even doing in this game?
Just what the Hell did you think you were getting into, anyway?
E:
"Risk," nor "risc," FFS...Use your frigging spell-checker if you want your bad-LSD-dreams to have any prayer of being taken seriously by anyone. In irae, veritas. |
Benteen
Drone A.I. Servicing Inc.
7
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Posted - 2012.05.18 20:05:00 -
[470] - Quote
Destiny Corrupted wrote:Drake Draconis wrote:EVE Online requires the following things :
3: IQ Greater than 50 (Ok maybe 100) To be fair, 100 is the normalized average, and judging by EVE players' math and language skills, I'd say only a fifth of all players meet this requirement. ROFL! I like this one |
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Bill Loney
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.05.18 22:45:00 -
[471] - Quote
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Plekto wrote:Yes, gankers don't always need cap to fire, but sometimes they fly ships with other weapons on them that require cap (especially in low sec). You could fire off a lock breaker or something else and the time it takes them to realize what happened and re-lock manually the barge(s) are in warp. Of course the bomber gets reamed most likely by the now very angry gankers. I mentioned this as the person before me mentioned low sec. I didn't mention that this was a low sec only tactic. My bad.
But the previous tactic in high of nerfing one or two ships damage by jamming them is valid. There's a whole skill tree and sub-section in the market for ECM and ECCM. That hardly anyone uses it is their problem. It's the best defense a miner has.
It all depends. That's my point - there are always things you can do to protect yourself in high low, or 0. You just have to NOT be AFK.
edit - I even log off to post here. AFK is as good as dead in EVE. I'll say it slowly, one more time for the guy who doesn't seem to get it: BOMBS ..... ARE ..... NOT ..... USEABLE ...... IN ...... 0.1+ RATED SPACE. It's not "launch and get a GCC," it's "You can fit and load the module, but the game won't let you fire it." (The message from Aura's charming voice, IIRC, is "You cannot use that here, as it is currently against Empire policy.") E: Facepalm linky no workie, so [facepalm].
YES
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THEY
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ARE
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My buddy had some bpo taken from a lab in 0.7 that was bombed after the shields going down. |
Hrothgar Nilsson
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.05.18 23:52:00 -
[472] - Quote
I warped out to an asteroid belt in a 0.8 system, got hit twice for 500 each by bombs about five days ago... so, they seem to be usable in 0.1+ systems. |
Dawn Flare
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
6
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Posted - 2012.05.19 00:15:00 -
[473] - Quote
Hrothgar Nilsson wrote:I warped out to an asteroid belt in a 0.8 system, got hit twice for 500 each by bombs about five days ago... so, they seem to be usable in 0.1+ systems. Those are smartbombs, not bombs.
Smartbombs work anywhere, but firing them off in highsec will PROBABLY get you concorded for hitting an innocent.
You know, if you care about getting concorded for hitting innocents. |
Dawn Flare
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
6
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Posted - 2012.05.19 00:17:00 -
[474] - Quote
Bill Loney wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Plekto wrote:Yes, gankers don't always need cap to fire, but sometimes they fly ships with other weapons on them that require cap (especially in low sec). You could fire off a lock breaker or something else and the time it takes them to realize what happened and re-lock manually the barge(s) are in warp. Of course the bomber gets reamed most likely by the now very angry gankers. I mentioned this as the person before me mentioned low sec. I didn't mention that this was a low sec only tactic. My bad.
But the previous tactic in high of nerfing one or two ships damage by jamming them is valid. There's a whole skill tree and sub-section in the market for ECM and ECCM. That hardly anyone uses it is their problem. It's the best defense a miner has.
It all depends. That's my point - there are always things you can do to protect yourself in high low, or 0. You just have to NOT be AFK.
edit - I even log off to post here. AFK is as good as dead in EVE. I'll say it slowly, one more time for the guy who doesn't seem to get it: BOMBS ..... ARE ..... NOT ..... USEABLE ...... IN ...... 0.1+ RATED SPACE. It's not "launch and get a GCC," it's "You can fit and load the module, but the game won't let you fire it." (The message from Aura's charming voice, IIRC, is "You cannot use that here, as it is currently against Empire policy.") E: Facepalm linky no workie, so [facepalm]. YES ..... THEY ..... ARE ..... My buddy had some bpo taken from a lab in 0.7 that was bombed after the shields going down. Proof is in the API verified killmail. |
Cardnyl Sin
Sinister Corporation Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.19 04:47:00 -
[475] - Quote
delicious salty tears. |
Xi Tivianne
Future World Industries
0
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Posted - 2012.05.19 12:00:00 -
[476] - Quote
As a part-time miner I say this:
- Mining wouldn't be profitable without risk!!!! - Outsmarting the gankers is part of the fun! - Don't fly it if you can't lose it!
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LittleTerror
8
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Posted - 2012.05.19 13:06:00 -
[477] - Quote
ahahah |
Axis Raikkonen
The Black Legionnares SpaceMonkey's Alliance
26
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Posted - 2012.05.19 17:10:00 -
[478] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
k.
P.S. Might I recommend a new game, perhaps one better suited to your cognitive capabilities?
P.P.S. Can I have your stuff? Damn, someone beat me to it. |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
445
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Posted - 2012.05.20 16:33:00 -
[479] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:As I said, yes. These tears are what you after, have them. Risk/ Reward/Cost are totally out of whack here. Being capable to destroy a ship with a 100th of the isk in the "safer" empire space is just ridicoulus.
And I know that this will get trolled to hell and back. Hiding behind some Internet Avatar and flinging big words is easy, heh? Well this was my last reply here, fly safe.
Care to try and see how long your Hulk last if you try mining undefended in low-sec? Empire IS safer. Not perfectly safe though. Especially not for Hulk-miners thinking Hulkageddon doesn't apply to them. Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors! |
Vincent R'lyeh
Black Rebel Rifter Club
2
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Posted - 2012.05.20 21:41:00 -
[480] - Quote
I'll just leave this here......
The Prize |
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Edward Khurelem
Viziam Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.05.20 23:48:00 -
[481] - Quote
little wuss, I've lost a few ships to this stupid event valued at a lot more then your puny 300m, but the last thing I am going to do is quit.
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Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
31
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Posted - 2012.05.21 04:16:00 -
[482] - Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owzhYNcd4OM Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |
Skadi vonNiflheim
East Citadel Trading Company
8
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Posted - 2012.05.21 06:05:00 -
[483] - Quote
"Hulkageddon" lets look at this word. "Hulk" a ship class in EvE Online. "geddon" abbreviation to the word Armageddon, according to wiki: "Armageddon (from Hebrew: +ö+++¿ +P+¦+Æ+¦+ô+++ò+¦GÇÄ, Har Megiddo, lit. Mount Megiddo; Ancient Greek: ß+ë-ü+++¦+¦+¦+¦-Ä++ Harmaged+ìn,[1][2] Late Latin: Armaged+ìn[3]) is, according to the Bible, the site of a battle during the end times, variously interpreted as either a literal or symbolic location. The term is also used in a generic sense to refer to any end of the world scenario." " refer to any end of the world scenario" So lets but the two words together now. Hulk (the ship) + a (??? english for conjoining two words that are both adjecteves) + geddon (" refer to any end of the world scenario") Therefore a hulkageddon means end of the world scenario for hulks. So I hope you learned something today about the English language and the yearly even of EvE Online
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Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.05.21 06:20:00 -
[484] - Quote
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Plekto wrote:Yes, gankers don't always need cap to fire, but sometimes they fly ships with other weapons on them that require cap (especially in low sec). You could fire off a lock breaker or something else and the time it takes them to realize what happened and re-lock manually the barge(s) are in warp. Of course the bomber gets reamed most likely by the now very angry gankers. I mentioned this as the person before me mentioned low sec. I didn't mention that this was a low sec only tactic. My bad.
But the previous tactic in high of nerfing one or two ships damage by jamming them is valid. There's a whole skill tree and sub-section in the market for ECM and ECCM. That hardly anyone uses it is their problem. It's the best defense a miner has.
It all depends. That's my point - there are always things you can do to protect yourself in high low, or 0. You just have to NOT be AFK.
edit - I even log off to post here. AFK is as good as dead in EVE. I'll say it slowly, one more time for the guy who doesn't seem to get it: BOMBS ..... ARE ..... NOT ..... USEABLE ...... IN ...... 0.1+ RATED SPACE. It's not "launch and get a GCC," it's "You can fit and load the module, but the game won't let you fire it." (The message from Aura's charming voice, IIRC, is "You cannot use that here, as it is currently against Empire policy.") E: Facepalm linky no workie, so [facepalm].
What a noob. Of course you can use smart bombs in high sec. Yes you do get a warning message and you can ignore it and fire away. If you hit any innocent targets you will get concorded. Gankers use these all the time in high sec. The favorite weapon of choice because you do not even have to target lock someone. Just get in range and fire away. Just about no way to stop this type of attack. So it becomes simple math. How many of these do you need to kill the target in one volley. Then get into position and fire target is dead. Unless you messed up on the math and did not bring enough heat. And I am only one month old to boot. I thought I was a noob. LOL! |
Katran Luftschreck
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.05.21 07:52:00 -
[485] - Quote
One less player to build gank those ships for the gankers.
"Hey where did all the cheap gank ships go? I wanna go gank miners! Why is no one building them anymore?" "Because you killed them all and they quit." "But but but how am I s'posed to get all moar leet gank ships now?!" "Build them yourself." "Wah! How do I do that?" "Well, first you go and get a mining ship..." "Fukdis I quit too!"
The ecosystem will balance itself eventually. |
Kroenan
Double Cheeseburger and Fries
0
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Posted - 2012.05.21 09:54:00 -
[486] - Quote
Players ruining other people's fun to increase their own enjoyment of the game. Welcome to eve.
You do wonder about the mentality of people who get soo much enjoyment from griefing.
Tbh this has been a real learning curve for me. It has made me realise how insignificant the losses actually are.
Like everyone keeps saying, just dock up your hulk and go do something else. If you keep flying hulks you are only providing more ammunition for the scumbags. |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
81
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Posted - 2012.05.21 10:22:00 -
[487] - Quote
Hammer Crendraven wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Plekto wrote:Yes, gankers don't always need cap to fire, but sometimes they fly ships with other weapons on them that require cap (especially in low sec). You could fire off a lock breaker or something else and the time it takes them to realize what happened and re-lock manually the barge(s) are in warp. Of course the bomber gets reamed most likely by the now very angry gankers. I mentioned this as the person before me mentioned low sec. I didn't mention that this was a low sec only tactic. My bad.
But the previous tactic in high of nerfing one or two ships damage by jamming them is valid. There's a whole skill tree and sub-section in the market for ECM and ECCM. That hardly anyone uses it is their problem. It's the best defense a miner has.
It all depends. That's my point - there are always things you can do to protect yourself in high low, or 0. You just have to NOT be AFK.
edit - I even log off to post here. AFK is as good as dead in EVE. I'll say it slowly, one more time for the guy who doesn't seem to get it: BOMBS ..... ARE ..... NOT ..... USEABLE ...... IN ...... 0.1+ RATED SPACE. It's not "launch and get a GCC," it's "You can fit and load the module, but the game won't let you fire it." (The message from Aura's charming voice, IIRC, is "You cannot use that here, as it is currently against Empire policy.") E: Facepalm linky no workie, so [facepalm]. What a noob. Of course you can use smart bombs in high sec. Yes you do get a warning message and you can ignore it and fire away. If you hit any innocent targets you will get concorded. Gankers use these all the time in high sec. The favorite weapon of choice because you do not even have to target lock someone. Just get in range and fire away. Just about no way to stop this type of attack. So it becomes simple math. How many of these do you need to kill the target in one volley. Then get into position and fire target is dead. Unless you messed up on the math and did not bring enough heat. And I am only one month old to boot. I thought I was a noob. LOL!
As far as I can tell theyre not talking about smartbombs but about bomb launchers, two different things. You are right about smartbombs but bomb launchers dont work in any space above 0.0 security rating. If it turns out they do mean smartbombs then i guess theres been a bit of a communication fuckup. |
Daemon Ceed
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
110
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:34:00 -
[488] - Quote
Katran Luftschreck wrote:One less player to build gank those ships for the gankers.
"Hey where did all the cheap gank ships go? I wanna go gank miners! Why is no one building them anymore?" "Because you killed them all and they quit." "But but but how am I s'posed to get all moar leet gank ships now?!" "Build them yourself." "Wah! How do I do that?" "Well, first you go and get a mining ship..." "Fukdis I quit too!"
The ecosystem will balance itself eventually.
Derp, this is easy. Ninja salvage L4 mission runners. Most don't ever shoot back. Take loot. Reprocess. Buy Catalyst BPO (or BPC). Make Catalysts. Fit half of them with Meta2/Meta3 T1 crap you got from mission.
Do you really think that industrialists are required to make ships for gankers? Most of mine I build myself. I always christen them with a bottle of miner tears when they roll off the line.
Post with your main or GTFO! The Sandbox = Play however the hell you want. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
387
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:48:00 -
[489] - Quote
Darek Castigatus wrote:
As far as I can tell theyre not talking about smartbombs but about bomb launchers, two different things. You are right about smartbombs but bomb launchers dont work in any space above 0.0 security rating. If it turns out they do mean smartbombs then i guess theres been a bit of a communication fuckup.
Below:
Plekto wrote:Note - for more advanced tactics, you could use a stealth bomber as support. Unlock, target your Hulk (all in less than a second) and fire off a void bomb.
That sounds pretty explicitly like a "launched bomb" (unusable in 0.1+ space) to me. He also mentions "lock-breakers" which is another type of Stealth-Bomber bomb. Unless he meant ECM burst, which in hisec, is just begging to get yourself CONCORD'ed in any number of loltastic ways. In irae, veritas. |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
82
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Posted - 2012.05.22 01:33:00 -
[490] - Quote
Well colour me slightly embarassed I missed that
Yeah I'm still leaning towards communication fuckup myself because the alternative is that we share eve with someone who is illiterate as well as totally braindead and that thought is just depressing. |
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Triple Entendre
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2012.05.22 04:00:00 -
[491] - Quote
Daemon Ceed wrote:Derp, this is easy. Ninja salvage L4 mission runners. Most don't ever shoot back. Take loot. Reprocess. Buy Catalyst BPO (or BPC). Make Catalysts. Fit half of them with Meta2/Meta3 T1 crap you got from mission.
BPC?! BPC?!
You sicken me. The Catalyst BPO is absolutely mandatory. |
Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham
3
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Posted - 2012.05.22 09:33:00 -
[492] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.
boo hoo heres a tissue |
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
88
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Posted - 2012.05.22 10:13:00 -
[493] - Quote
You were mining, nuff said.
Takes you 2 weeks to mine isk for a new hulk? takes anyone else with initiative and an IQ above 75 less than a day.
Leave mining to the countless nullsec pet alliance bots, actually play the game. Everytime you dont like my comments/posts the terrorists win and your a disgrace to your country. |
Nora Smith
Fitzpatrick Royal Nuclear Products
0
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Posted - 2012.05.23 08:36:00 -
[494] - Quote
Gibbo3771 wrote:Takes you 2 weeks to mine isk for a new hulk? takes anyone else with initiative and an IQ above 75 less than a day. A few hours of lvl4 mission running, or even mining yields enough wealth to replace a lost hulk in no-time. Lost several mining ships of all types myself, well, it's only a minor annoyance - players wihch are into everyday PvP loose a LOT more than the worth of a hulk in a few days.
Simply put, if you don't want to risk your Hulk during Hulkageddon, just don't mine during Hulkageddon, or if you really need to do, take some precautions. Mining in missions gives you some advantage, as many gankers don't bother to scan every system for mission miners, they just scout the belts, but you're always at risk.
Hulkageddon is announced weeks and months before it's actually commencing, thus actively following the community keeps you informed of such events. As I'm not into ganking, I personally see no point in actively taking part in Hulkageddon myself (neither as offender, nor a potential victim), but if people find it to be fun, it's their absolute right to do so. Also, if people think Hulkageddon is so much of a bother to them that they decide to quit, my sincere farewell to them ;) |
Tusen Takk
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.06.19 04:43:00 -
[495] - Quote
so recapping this thread for people who are very much into tl;dr posts
-miners have yet to realise that theyre the reason why everything is expensive, stop pricing everything so high and being greedy and then your precious hulks will be significantly cheaper -miners tend to see themselves as victims of the terrible horrible griefer even though the griefer was the victim of the terrible horrible miner's greed first -miners are more likely to be angry middle aged midlife crisis types, younger kids who are new to MMOs and think ISK=real money, or hebrews who should be applying economic principles learned in eve to their real life finances instead of wasting their time on video games -goonswarm is always at fault no matter what
youre all welcome
oh ******** just realised i bumped this hardcore, my apologies |
Gix Firebrand
Beets and Gravy Syndicate The InterBus Initiative
0
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Posted - 2012.06.19 06:05:00 -
[496] - Quote
I don't mine often, but when I do its not in a Hulk.
Hence, safe from Hulkageddon.
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Morgorathi
Khazarian Resergence Silver Dragonz
6
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Posted - 2012.06.19 06:15:00 -
[497] - Quote
Hulkageddon has never phased me.. I mine in an industrial ship aligned to a station... okay thats a lie.. I don't mine.. i just pretend to. |
Ristlin Wakefield
Wakefield-Dukovsky Conglomerate
23
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Posted - 2012.06.20 13:55:00 -
[498] - Quote
Gix Firebrand wrote:I don't mine often, but when I do its not in a Hulk.
Hence, safe from Hulkageddon.
You aren't safe. Goons are starting to pay for mining barge kills too. And even if you mine in a T1, someone looking for that extra bit of tears will kill that too.
There is no such thing as "safe" in EvE unless you are docked. That's what makes it so damn fun.
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Tusen Takk
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.06.20 23:49:00 -
[499] - Quote
Ristlin Wakefield wrote:Gix Firebrand wrote:I don't mine often, but when I do its not in a Hulk.
Hence, safe from Hulkageddon.
You aren't safe. Goons are starting to pay for mining barge kills too. And even if you mine in a T1, someone looking for that extra bit of tears will kill that too. There is no such thing as "safe" in EvE unless you are docked. That's what makes it so damn fun. posting to confirm |
Samuel Stark
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.21 00:41:00 -
[500] - Quote
Tusen Takk wrote:so recapping this thread for people who are very much into tl;dr posts
-miners have yet to realise that theyre the reason why everything is expensive, stop pricing everything so high and being greedy and then your precious hulks will be significantly cheaper
Your average miner does not control the prices of minerals and the moon goo required to build hulks(as an example). Your alliance however does, hulkageddon is something your higher ups thought of to keep ship prices high, your alliance is as much of a reason as any other external factor so quit blaming your average high sec miner for the price of hulks, Especially when a good portion of a hulk is made out of null sec materials.
-miners tend to see themselves as victims of the terrible horrible griefer even though the griefer was the victim of the terrible horrible miner's greed first
Again an argument with no substance (surprise), many people who do not engage in industry fail to actually understand the time it takes to not only build the ships but also to ensure the bpo is researched properly. regardless hulkageddon primarily targets the high sec miner who have limited access to ores and are likely not the ones rolling out the majority of ships being sold.
Secondly being someone that has done ratting and industry I find it funny that anyone would accuse of a miner of being greedy when it is perfectly viable with decent skills to earn in excess of 60million an hour in high sec doing incursions or in null sec ratting where as there is a hard cap on miners, per toon it would be hard if not impossible for a miner (per toon) to earn around 20-30million in an hour which is half that of a ratter.
The above point highlights that miners are currently low in the food chain when it comes to isk making and that the only attraction to doing it was the fact they used to be able to simply sit back and watch a movie while mining veld.
You can blame the high sec miner all you like but the fact remains that the only people driving up mineral prices and thus ship prices are those that partake in hulkageddon not because the miner wants to spite you but because the loss of supply has upset the balance between supply and demand forcing increases in what people are willing to pay.
-miners are more likely to be angry middle aged midlife crisis types, younger kids who are new to MMOs and think ISK=real money, or hebrews who should be applying economic principles learned in eve to their real life finances instead of wasting their time on video games
Again another baseless assumption akin to the majority of your alliance, no matter what you do in a video game whether it is mining or pvping you are 'wasting time' depending on your point of view. Your actions in a video game cannot determine whether the time was well spent or not but then I do not expect you to think logically based on your statements in this post.
-goonswarm is always at fault no matter what
Something you lot take pride in, you have such a loathing for those that like to hoard isk and yet your alliance is partially responsible for setting t2 prices at fixed level as well as scamming people on a regular basis. Only yesterday was one of my alts confronted with a proposition by one of your idiotic members wanting me to join your alliance for the bargain price of 60% of my wallet in exchange for access to a vast variety of bpo's.
youre all welcome
oh ******** just realised i bumped this hardcore, my apologies
That being said some miners do themselves no favors. if you want to be safe then mine in mission areas, mine in low population areas and keep an eye on local and who warps in on you, be aligned to a station at all times and do not take any chances. High sec is safer than null but it is not safe.
Join a corporation with a mining arm as there is normally safety in numbers. |
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Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.06.21 02:08:00 -
[501] - Quote
Tusen Takk wrote:-miners have yet to realise that theyre the reason why everything is expensive, stop pricing everything so high and being greedy and then your precious hulks will be significantly cheaper
The sad thing about those viewpoints is that it's producers/traders and their buy orders that exceed the cost of miner-placed sell orders in many if not most high-sec regions that drive up at least parts of the mineral price, not miners posting sell orders.
Tusen Takk wrote:-miners tend to see themselves as victims of the terrible horrible griefer even though the griefer was the victim of the terrible horrible miner's greed first
It's a shame that it seems most people believe that L4s are at least as safe as mining if not safer and more profitable as well yet still make complaints like that in light of producers/traders jacking up prices by placing buy orders with higher per-unit prices than sell orders have.
Tusen Takk wrote:oh ******** just realised i bumped this hardcore, my apologies
No worries. With the size of this topic a quick "This is how dumb people are being" recap can be useful. |
Jim Roebuck
Black Rebel Rifter Club
6
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Posted - 2012.06.21 03:50:00 -
[502] - Quote
I love tearegeddon. |
Tusen Takk
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.06.21 06:08:00 -
[503] - Quote
Samuel Stark wrote:Tusen Takk wrote:so recapping this thread for people who are very much into tl;dr posts
-miners have yet to realise that theyre the reason why everything is expensive, stop pricing everything so high and being greedy and then your precious hulks will be significantly cheaper
Your average miner does not control the prices of minerals and the moon goo required to build hulks(as an example). Your alliance however does, hulkageddon is something your higher ups thought of to keep ship prices high, your alliance is as much of a reason as any other external factor so quit blaming your average high sec miner for the price of hulks, Especially when a good portion of a hulk is made out of null sec materials.
-miners tend to see themselves as victims of the terrible horrible griefer even though the griefer was the victim of the terrible horrible miner's greed first
Again an argument with no substance (surprise), many people who do not engage in industry fail to actually understand the time it takes to not only build the ships but also to ensure the bpo is researched properly. regardless hulkageddon primarily targets the high sec miner who have limited access to ores and are likely not the ones rolling out the majority of ships being sold.
Secondly being someone that has done ratting and industry I find it funny that anyone would accuse of a miner of being greedy when it is perfectly viable with decent skills to earn in excess of 60million an hour in high sec doing incursions or in null sec ratting where as there is a hard cap on miners, per toon it would be hard if not impossible for a miner (per toon) to earn around 20-30million in an hour which is half that of a ratter.
The above point highlights that miners are currently low in the food chain when it comes to isk making and that the only attraction to doing it was the fact they used to be able to simply sit back and watch a movie while mining veld.
You can blame the high sec miner all you like but the fact remains that the only people driving up mineral prices and thus ship prices are those that partake in hulkageddon not because the miner wants to spite you but because the loss of supply has upset the balance between supply and demand forcing increases in what people are willing to pay.
-miners are more likely to be angry middle aged midlife crisis types, younger kids who are new to MMOs and think ISK=real money, or hebrews who should be applying economic principles learned in eve to their real life finances instead of wasting their time on video games
Again another baseless assumption akin to the majority of your alliance, no matter what you do in a video game whether it is mining or pvping you are 'wasting time' depending on your point of view. Your actions in a video game cannot determine whether the time was well spent or not but then I do not expect you to think logically based on your statements in this post.
-goonswarm is always at fault no matter what
Something you lot take pride in, you have such a loathing for those that like to hoard isk and yet your alliance is partially responsible for setting t2 prices at fixed level as well as scamming people on a regular basis. Only yesterday was one of my alts confronted with a proposition by one of your idiotic members wanting me to join your alliance for the bargain price of 60% of my wallet in exchange for access to a vast variety of bpo's.
youre all welcome
oh ******** just realised i bumped this hardcore, my apologies That being said some miners do themselves no favors. if you want to be safe then mine in mission areas, mine in low population areas and keep an eye on local and who warps in on you, be aligned to a station at all times and do not take any chances. High sec is safer than null but it is not safe. Join a corporation with a mining arm as there is normally safety in numbers. you are terrible at using the quote function, so i quoted you so you cant go back and fix it.
oh and just a heads up, the average miner in eve usually has a market alt so they can take care of the pesky buy/sells themselves since theyre realising that youd be an idiot to just sell your mins outright. excellent try though *golfclap*
most of the rich people in eve online that ive met are industrialists, miners, and marketers, though i have met a fair share of scammers and lucky nullsec ratters etc. and they all point fingers at each other and say IT'S HIS GREED NOT MINE. all of it boils down to carebear vs not carebears, and if youre paying money to play a game to only sit in that game making fake money and not shooting other people at all, youre probably playing the wrong game and should try the stockmarket instead of a spaceships market. just sayin. |
Karak Bol
Cable Innovations
41
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Posted - 2012.06.21 07:12:00 -
[504] - Quote
I lived in lowsec, I mined there, I "tried" to teach miners coming from HighSec running from Hulkageddon how to mine. My lesson started with: 1. You jump into your fast Frigate to make bookmarks. (Answer: What do i need a fast frigate for? I dont have one!) 2. Then some of you get in to a frigate with a cloak to scout (Answer: I still dont have frigate, we can use cloaks yes, so we can use cloaky Haulers, but if we scout, we cant make money!) 3. Then some of you jump into Drakes or whatnot (Answer: What? Even less Money???) 4. Then one Hauls... (Answer: Ok, I jump into my Orca or can we use a Rorq in the Belt?)... No, a T1 Hauler, that can hold a can (Answer: But that means the Hauler has to run so often!) 5. The rest of you gets into Covetors and starts to mine. (Answer: ... ... ... What is this Covetor you talk of? A Hulk or what?) 6. No the T1 Hulk, as it is expandable and insurable (Answer: But the Yield! The Yield!) 7. Get into your F...ING Covetors you Morons!
Many Highsec Miners are just not able to include losses into their ISK/Hour equation. I stopped trying to teach mining to highseccers shortly after. I am not quiet up to date, but how many Covetors can you lose before it is the same cost as one Hulk? Including insurance of course. Like ten maybe?
So basically: Loosing a Hulk: Coming to the forums full of tears, quitting the game Loosing a Covetor: Shrug, buy a new one, mine on. |
Breezly Brewin
Vril Metaphysics Society
19
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Posted - 2012.06.21 10:08:00 -
[505] - Quote
Karak Bol wrote:I lived in lowsec, I mined there, I "tried" to teach miners coming from HighSec running from Hulkageddon how to mine. My lesson started with: 1. You jump into your fast Frigate to make bookmarks. (Answer: What do i need a fast frigate for? I dont have one!) 2. Then some of you get in to a frigate with a cloak to scout (Answer: I still dont have frigate, we can use cloaks yes, so we can use cloaky Haulers, but if we scout, we cant make money!) 3. Then some of you jump into Drakes or whatnot (Answer: What? Even less Money???) 4. Then one Hauls... (Answer: Ok, I jump into my Orca or can we use a Rorq in the Belt?)... No, a T1 Hauler, that can hold a can (Answer: But that means the Hauler has to run so often!) 5. The rest of you gets into Covetors and starts to mine. (Answer: ... ... ... What is this Covetor you talk of? A Hulk or what?) 6. No the T1 Hulk, as it is expandable and insurable (Answer: But the Yield! The Yield!) 7. Get into your F...ING Covetors you Morons!
Many Highsec Miners are just not able to include losses into their ISK/Hour equation. I stopped trying to teach mining to highseccers shortly after. I am not quiet up to date, but how many Covetors can you lose before it is the same cost as one Hulk? Including insurance of course. Like ten maybe?
So basically: Loosing a Hulk: Coming to the forums full of tears, quitting the game Loosing a Covetor: Shrug, buy a new one, mine on.
not including insurance 5 fit covetors is about the price of 1 fit hulk. my yield difference in a hulk is about 1600 m3/cycle while the covetor is about 1400 m3/cycle. i traded in 3 hulks for 15 covetors. there is now the mining barge geddon or whatever but i don't see many people jumping through humps to destroy their sec rating for a lousy 25m reward. a covetor is a softer target, but if i was ganking the isk the miner loses over a covetor just wouldnt be worth the effort / sec loss. i'd rather take out a hulk, a covetor the miner would just |
Aulx-Gao Ekanon
315
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Posted - 2012.06.21 11:45:00 -
[506] - Quote
This is boring. Naughty by nature, wicked by choice.-á |
Macgerald
Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
0
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Posted - 2012.06.21 17:31:00 -
[507] - Quote
Very seldom if ever do I post on any forum, but for this thread I find I must break my silence. I firmly support any long lasting Hulkageddon, merely for the fact that I have large stockpiles of minerals, ore, ice and ice materials, just waiting to sell for high prices. Please Goons, continue with the fine work and keep this going as long as possible. If I weren't such a carebear, I would totally join in on the hulk bashing myself. Instead, I think I will head out into nullsec belts and sacrifice a few hulks to the Gods of EVE, and and two of their children, MoA and Goons.
Have fun, and release the trolls!
PS -- I want to change my avatar to a cave troll. |
Rosenkranz
Blueprint Haus Get Off My Lawn
3
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Posted - 2012.06.22 18:49:00 -
[508] - Quote
Wait, what? It took 3 thrashers to kill you?
As a miner/industrialist, I'd normally sympathize. However itGÇÖd take 2 or three battleships to kill my hulk. Did you have any kind of tank fit?
On a different note, if youGÇÖre that tight on cash, you should have been flying covetors until your cash situation evened out. Never, and I mean NEVER fly a ship you donGÇÖt have the cash to replace.
Sorry you felt the need to quit, but this game can be hard on those who donGÇÖt pick up this stuff quickly.
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Ristlin Wakefield
Wakefield-Dukovsky Conglomerate
24
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Posted - 2012.06.22 19:01:00 -
[509] - Quote
-snip-
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-snip- |
Pandora Myuki
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.23 05:07:00 -
[510] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:As I said, yes. These tears are what you after, have them. Risk/ Reward/Cost are totally out of whack here. Being capable to destroy a ship with a 100th of the isk in the "safer" empire space is just ridicoulus.
And I know that this will get trolled to hell and back. Hiding behind some Internet Avatar and flinging big words is easy, heh? Well this was my last reply here, fly safe.
$5000 boat with 100lbs of cheap exlposives takes out a 10billion dollar oil tanker |
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budlight12
University of Caille Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.06.23 06:30:00 -
[511] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:As I said, yes. These tears are what you after, have them. Risk/ Reward/Cost are totally out of whack here. Being capable to destroy a ship with a 100th of the isk in the "safer" empire space is just ridicoulus.
And I know that this will get trolled to hell and back. Hiding behind some Internet Avatar and flinging big words is easy, heh? Well this was my last reply here, fly safe. well if you feel that bad look at the list of players and look what they lost and your 300 mil will seem like chump change ok i have heard stories of people losing billions durning burn jita ok and you are bitching about 300 mil really now
you just need to give up on life because it is not fair and you need to be smart about it and try to have fun any way you look at it you will die or lose money in eve so really now just stop your tears and grow the **** up |
Reech Yvormes
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.24 03:11:00 -
[512] - Quote
i am jumping ship now, after a month of play. got ganked and podded in 0.5 and lost my implants, all my fault it seems. Mining in an asteroid belt obviously offended some guy who decided to pod me too. lost all of my implants that i was using to get training done, +4s. really have no incentive or drive to even boot eve up again.
Anyway, the few tears that i am sharing here hopefully will feed some of you and its not such a waste of time if someone gets something out of it. but i am jumping ship now after 1 month because this sort of "pvp" and griefing gameplay just isnt for me.
maybe some real pvp does go on out there. but when i dont even have one skill at level 5 and i am being ganked by people in tech 3 cruisers who have been playing a year.
i have to ask myself wether i was just too late finding eve and that this game really hasnt got much to offer people after a year of playing the game.
cya guys, nice chatting with you and thanks to all those who helped in rookie / help channels. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1577
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Posted - 2012.06.24 03:18:00 -
[513] - Quote
Pandora Myuki wrote:Jeremy Firewind wrote:As I said, yes. These tears are what you after, have them. Risk/ Reward/Cost are totally out of whack here. Being capable to destroy a ship with a 100th of the isk in the "safer" empire space is just ridicoulus.
And I know that this will get trolled to hell and back. Hiding behind some Internet Avatar and flinging big words is easy, heh? Well this was my last reply here, fly safe. $5000 boat with 100lbs of cheap exlposives takes out a 10billion dollar oil tanker
You don't need to spend that much on a boat |
Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
353
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Posted - 2012.06.24 03:51:00 -
[514] - Quote
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
This is wonderful. \o/
Heretic Army Warlord and Diplomat Host of Frigfest http://judelloyd.blog.com/ http://kb.heretic-army.biz/
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mavrick1
siskiyous county freelancers
26
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Posted - 2012.06.26 17:08:00 -
[515] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.
Ok this guy is crying over losing one hulk and then giving up the game. man i know i have laid down some tears here and also opened my mouth and caught hell over it more then once, but yet i am still here and the event that goon is doing hell if you did your home work and researched you would know what is going on in the game, it is stated here in the forums all the time. and really that puts me at another point, if you can not afford to insure the ship then do not fly it i mean really now if you buy a ship and you can not even afford to put the basic insurance on it then you should not be flying it at all and if you are then you should lose it for being stupid.
more over if i could could the cost of isk i have lost in ships do to being ganked and running missions and other stuff i do it would be in the billions or i think closer to the trillions i mean in one shot i lost a billion worth of tech 3 ships and mods during burn jita, and i am not crying about it.
so if you want safe or a game that you can not die in then to and hang out with all the other pussies on world of warcraft and hide under your mothers skirt. because eve is for the big boys and girls of gaming.
more over you need to be smart about how you do things in this game. like i aid it before if you can not afford to fly it then do not fly it and if you can not insure it after you fully fit it then you should not be flying it either. rule of thumb is if you have at least enough to insure it then you can fly it
for all the ones that have been on the game a while might agree with me on that.
but if you cry in the forums then just let it out there are people here with tear buckets for you to cry in
FERENGI RULE OF ACQUISITION-á #177 KNOW YOUR ENEMIES....BUT DO BUSINESS WITH THEM ALWAYS |
Beachura
Scott Webb Corp
0
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Posted - 2012.06.27 09:32:00 -
[516] - Quote
6/10 |
Mike Adoulin
Trans-Aerospace Industries
0
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Posted - 2012.06.27 11:49:00 -
[517] - Quote
The obvious solution is for highsec miners to start mining in Domi's.
Also, how the hell can you own a Hulk and NOT have at least one Covetor gathering rust in your hanger bay?
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Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.06.27 11:59:00 -
[518] - Quote
Why hasn't a Dev/GM posted in this thread? |
Ristlin Wakefield
Wakefield-Dukovsky Conglomerate
24
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Posted - 2012.06.27 14:35:00 -
[519] - Quote
Reech Yvormes wrote:i am jumping ship now, after a month of play. got ganked and podded in 0.5 and lost my implants, all my fault it seems. Mining in an asteroid belt obviously offended some guy who decided to pod me too. lost all of my implants that i was using to get training done, +4s. really have no incentive or drive to even boot eve up again.
Anyway, the few tears that i am sharing here hopefully will feed some of you and its not such a waste of time if someone gets something out of it. but i am jumping ship now after 1 month because this sort of "pvp" and griefing gameplay just isnt for me.
maybe some real pvp does go on out there. but when i dont even have one skill at level 5 and i am being ganked by people in tech 3 cruisers who have been playing a year.
i have to ask myself wether i was just too late finding eve and that this game really hasnt got much to offer people after a year of playing the game.
cya guys, nice chatting with you and thanks to all those who helped in rookie / help channels.
You shouldn't quit over this loss (a Retriever?). The implants do hurt, but there are ways to avoid losing expensive ones like that.
If you need some pointers, open up a chat channel with me or send me a mail. I'd prefer new players not quit because new players mean a better EVE community down the road. It hurts to lose ships and to get podded, but it is part of the game, and it is a very good thing for the economy. Learning how to deal with losses and to avoid dying will simply allow you to move ahead faster.
Best,
Ristlin
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Din'stalor Alaric
THORN Syndicate THORN Alliance
80
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Posted - 2012.06.27 16:06:00 -
[520] - Quote
TL:DR - I got ganked.
Morale of the story - Stop mining, start playing Eve Online Solo 4 Life.1v1 always honored, flying without booster alt since Oct 2010.No ransoms honored even if offered :) |
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Zyella Stormborn
Alpha Strategy In Umbra Mortis
7
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Posted - 2012.06.28 18:08:00 -
[521] - Quote
Pandora Myuki wrote:Jeremy Firewind wrote:As I said, yes. These tears are what you after, have them. Risk/ Reward/Cost are totally out of whack here. Being capable to destroy a ship with a 100th of the isk in the "safer" empire space is just ridicoulus.
And I know that this will get trolled to hell and back. Hiding behind some Internet Avatar and flinging big words is easy, heh? Well this was my last reply here, fly safe. $5000 boat with 100lbs of cheap exlposives takes out a 10billion dollar oil tanker
Heh, poor example. That 5k boat is piloted by someone who then dies, being unable to repeat the process. In eve there is no penalty except for that $5k as things stand. A balance issue I would like to see addressed ;P (while i agree with pple complaining about the risk/reward factor being so low for pirates in low sec, I'm not defending the OP who I think is just crying). |
Deckard BladeRun
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.06.28 20:35:00 -
[522] - Quote
Hi complete newb player here. I know my input means didly but us noobs are broke and need space euros.
Why not hire us noobs waiting on our training skills to evolve beyond destroyers to come protect your big hulk hogans? For a modest fee I am sure you could hire a noob as a bodyguard to watch your hulkster. I am sure a noob would guard you for a reasonable rate. Rookie help chat is spammed all the time with people begging for money. We might not be that much of a help but maybe buy you enough time to make it back to safety and save your ship and its items and cargo.
Or maybe join a corporation and have your guild members help you?
I don't think crying and quitting ever solved anything. This is supposed to be one of the most challenging MMO's in existence so maybe this isn't a game for you if you quit because it is aggressive. One thing is for sure there are no space pandas that I have seen so far. Hell people tried to trick me into getting killed the very first time I undocked from the space station doing my first tutorial just trying to learn to pilot my ship. Telling me to get the free items in the yellow crates. It was like a baby seal trying to dodge club hunters. I wasn't in Kansas anymore. Isn't that one of the main selling points of this game though? Relentless and brutal? |
Blobber NL
The Ultima Thule
70
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Posted - 2012.06.28 22:05:00 -
[523] - Quote
Reech Yvormes wrote:i am jumping ship now, after a month of play. got ganked and podded in 0.5 and lost my implants, all my fault it seems. Mining in an asteroid belt obviously offended some guy who decided to pod me too. lost all of my implants that i was using to get training done, +4s. really have no incentive or drive to even boot eve up again.
Anyway, the few tears that i am sharing here hopefully will feed some of you and its not such a waste of time if someone gets something out of it. but i am jumping ship now after 1 month because this sort of "pvp" and griefing gameplay just isnt for me.
maybe some real pvp does go on out there. but when i dont even have one skill at level 5 and i am being ganked by people in tech 3 cruisers who have been playing a year.
i have to ask myself wether i was just too late finding eve and that this game really hasnt got much to offer people after a year of playing the game.
cya guys, nice chatting with you and thanks to all those who helped in rookie / help channels.
1 year playing isnt really much.
Anyway, Good bye and good luck in WOW :) |
Eddie Monaghan
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
0
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Posted - 2012.06.29 06:04:00 -
[524] - Quote
Jacob Staffuer wrote:Quote:it's YOUR fault you lost your Hulk Gonna have to disagree with you there mate. If you get robbed, it's not your fault. It's the robbers'. Cuz they did it. Just like when a woman gets raped it's not her fault. It's the rapist's. Cuz he did it. Even if you leave your door unlocked. Even if you passed out drunk at a party. It is still the criminal's fault. Cuz they did it. This is why victims are never punished for the crimes they are victim to. Imagine the outcry if people went to prison for not locking their doors because they were judged to be "accomplices". I mean, after all, if they'd locked their door the thief would have never been able to commit that crime, right? It's not the thief's fault - he's just doing what thieves do, drawn by an "irresistible urge" to enter unguarded houses and pilfer them. Now, I know some idiot is going to mention "tank your Hulk". People are ganking Orca's. Orca's have a wee little bit more EHP than a tanked Hulk. If Orca's aren't safe, then neither are tanked Hulk's. Now, could he have done things to prevent the gank? Absolutely. Does that mean he's "at fault" for the gank? Absolutely not.
Wrong. It would be yours. You have the responsibility to be aware of your surroundings at all times. It's on YOU to possibly see danger and adjust accordingly. It is not the fault of the person that decided his career choice was to take from others to meet his needs/wants. When that individual goes to prison or is killed, or dies of an overdose, THAT is his fault. It is your choice to live in la la land as if everything is fine. It is also not the fault of your local Police or Government that you were robbed. There is no way possible to put eyes on 300+ million people 24/7, and not to mention it's against good moral Judgement to do so. Take some responsibility for yourself and your choices.
Eve is not real life. I am not a criminal in real life, I am a veteran of the U.S. Military and have done Police work since. I will never run out of work to do, because people will always take from others. But it truly amazes me how much I see crimes committed that could have been nullified by an aware victim. |
Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
162
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Posted - 2012.06.29 14:09:00 -
[525] - Quote
This must be fail poast day. |
Ivan Ward
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
85
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Posted - 2012.06.29 20:27:00 -
[526] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Katja Faith wrote:Hulka-what? So basically, you're a wuss and quit?
Gotcha. No I just don't see how 3 moronic griefers with no risk will make me mine for wweeks on end to get another Hulk. That is the point. And yes, maybe I am a wuss.
You play for weeks on ends and don't get killed and I just have to log in to be blown up?
And you are the one crying about it. "Hot pilots we have problems too, we're just like you." |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
74
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Posted - 2012.06.30 14:22:00 -
[527] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.
News for you buddy, 3 *1 mil isk ships cannot gank a tanked hulk. In fact 3 t2 catalysts wont kill a tanked hulk either. Your hull clearly wasn't tanked. A tanked hulk has 30k ehp, 40k ehp if you have the foresight to have a gang bonus. Assuming one catalyst is jammed by those ecm drones you dropped they really need 5 t2 catalysts to kill you. |
Tastes Like Lobster
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.06.30 17:12:00 -
[528] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Katja Faith wrote:Hulka-what? So basically, you're a wuss and quit?
Gotcha. No I just don't see how 3 moronic griefers with no risk will make me mine for wweeks on end to get another Hulk. That is the point. And yes, maybe I am a wuss.
So it's not your last reply here?
When is your last reply?
Was that it?
Can we expect more?
I agree with you completely and empathise. With this in mind, can I have your isk and ships?
x |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2012.06.30 20:49:00 -
[529] - Quote
Ivan Ward wrote:Jeremy Firewind wrote:Katja Faith wrote:Hulka-what? So basically, you're a wuss and quit?
Gotcha. No I just don't see how 3 moronic griefers with no risk will make me mine for wweeks on end to get another Hulk. That is the point. And yes, maybe I am a wuss. You play for weeks on ends and don't get killed and I just have to log in to be blown up? And you are the one crying about it.
I mine too and you just have to be careful. Mining ships are supposed to be getting a buff soon anyways.
Many gankers do it for one reason... To get their jollys off seeing you get all worked up. I bet your forum post alone has encouraged many to keep doing it.
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LaserFurry
Free of Taxes
0
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Posted - 2012.07.01 11:39:00 -
[530] - Quote
I don't find Hulkageddon to be amoral bullying, but what I DO dislike about is - lazyness. Kamikaze destroyers just can't be bothered to scan down mission runners, coordinate a fleet for big enough alpha or beliebable bait, etc ... It's much easier to just warp in belt and target the first guy in mining barge. |
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Rin Tao-Li
Malleus Soul
0
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Posted - 2012.07.01 17:09:00 -
[531] - Quote
OP: It never occured to you to hire an escort to protect your 300M Isk investment while it flew through rat-space? I'm pretty sure you could hire an effective guard for 10% of your take. That's how people protect their investments IRL. Sounds to me like you're angry at yourself for not effectively protecting your investment while simultaneously not diversifying your portfolio enough to bounce back from its loss. You put all your eggs in one basket then didn't even bother to be careful about how you carried them. If you didn't learn from this then I feel sorry for your economic outlook IRL. |
GSXRSquid
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.07.01 22:57:00 -
[532] - Quote
okay, if you haven't poisoned the pool of potential corps with your whining. find a null sec corp with sov and go there and mine. you will NOT have the false sense of security you obviously have in hisec. you will make way more isk. You will need to work on some useful nellsec skills but you will be mining with your corp and you will lose fewer ships. I have lost way more ships in hi and lo sec than in null. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
7468
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Posted - 2012.07.02 22:15:00 -
[533] - Quote
Well this thread is a little gem.
I wish Jacob Staffuer would return and post some more. He was funny.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Iambruce
Moriendum Est
2
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Posted - 2012.07.03 04:36:00 -
[534] - Quote
I can't believe this thread is still kicking..............priceless. |
Kyle Ward
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
158
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Posted - 2012.07.03 17:00:00 -
[535] - Quote
The OP is a martyr and a saint! Godspeed you magnificent b******, godspeed... The Sandbox, you're playing it wrong! |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
263
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Posted - 2012.07.03 17:40:00 -
[536] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.
I can't believe this troll post is still going.... [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG] |
uwai223
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Fatal Ascension
56
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Posted - 2012.07.03 22:07:00 -
[537] - Quote
PEOPLE....PEOPLE........I was out of eve for 2 months and this piece of **** thread is still going. We are required by our constitution to let the voters think they have a choice. That's democracy! |
Daemon Ceed
Jihad Squad from Riyadh Reckless Ambition
232
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Posted - 2012.07.04 08:13:00 -
[538] - Quote
Bump for a great thread. Moar tears, please! My palate is dry and in need of your delicious drops of salty moisture. The Sandbox = Play however the hell you want. |
dexington
Lysergic.acid.diethylamide
23
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Posted - 2012.07.04 12:22:00 -
[539] - Quote
Daemon Ceed wrote:My palate is dry and in need of your delicious drops of salty moisture.
i don't think it gets more gay then that... |
XJennieX
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.07.04 12:49:00 -
[540] - Quote
if ccp doesnt do anything about excessive suicide ganking i really hope this game dies because of it. |
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Ryzhik Belka
Free of Taxes
0
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Posted - 2012.07.04 13:53:00 -
[541] - Quote
From official DevBlog :
# Procurer/Skiff: primarily made for self-defense. Better mining rate than the ORE frig, good ore bay, but capable of having battleship-like EHP. # Retriever/Mackinaw: made for self-reliance. Has the largest ore bay, similear to the size of a jet can, second best mining output but less EHP than the procurer mining barge. # Covetor/hulk: ore bay is identical to its current cargo hold, little to average EHP, but best mining output. Basically made for group operations when players have industrials and protection to back them up. |
Kyle Ward
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
159
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Posted - 2012.07.04 17:51:00 -
[542] - Quote
Ryzhik Belka wrote:From official DevBlog :
# Procurer/Skiff: primarily made for self-defense. Better mining rate than the ORE frig, good ore bay, but capable of having battleship-like EHP. # Retriever/Mackinaw: made for self-reliance. Has the largest ore bay, similear to the size of a jet can, second best mining output but less EHP than the procurer mining barge. # Covetor/hulk: ore bay is identical to its current cargo hold, little to average EHP, but best mining output. Basically made for group operations when players have industrials and protection to back them up.
I will still only use a hulk, 'cause its the best.
Untanked, of course - wouldn't want to lower my yeild...
The Sandbox, you're playing it wrong! |
Riven Varlass
NIGHTMARE FACTORY INDUSTRIES ROL.Citizens
0
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Posted - 2012.07.06 15:07:00 -
[543] - Quote
It is likely that the mining vessels will receive a buff, I'm guessing CCP recognizes the problem of low effort hulk hi-sec ganking. Them combat pilots best enjoy it while they can The player won't need to toughen up if the hull gets tougher first. |
Vellen Thoss
The Drone Legion Northern Strike
1
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Posted - 2012.07.06 16:59:00 -
[544] - Quote
Riven Varlass wrote:It is likely that the mining vessels will receive a buff, I'm guessing CCP recognizes the problem of low effort hulk hi-sec ganking. Them combat pilots best enjoy it while they can The player won't need to toughen up if the hull gets tougher first.
Theyre already planning on buffing the mining vessels. The Skiff gets BS EHP if I am correct, the rest are left as is. |
Ristlin Wakefield
Wakefield-Dukovsky Conglomerate
31
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Posted - 2012.07.06 17:57:00 -
[545] - Quote
Vellen Thoss wrote:Riven Varlass wrote:It is likely that the mining vessels will receive a buff, I'm guessing CCP recognizes the problem of low effort hulk hi-sec ganking. Them combat pilots best enjoy it while they can The player won't need to toughen up if the hull gets tougher first. Theyre already planning on buffing the mining vessels. The Skiff gets BS EHP if I am correct, the rest are left as is.
Sigh...
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Vellen Thoss
The Drone Legion Northern Strike
1
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Posted - 2012.07.06 18:10:00 -
[546] - Quote
Ristlin Wakefield wrote:Vellen Thoss wrote:Riven Varlass wrote:It is likely that the mining vessels will receive a buff, I'm guessing CCP recognizes the problem of low effort hulk hi-sec ganking. Them combat pilots best enjoy it while they can The player won't need to toughen up if the hull gets tougher first. Theyre already planning on buffing the mining vessels. The Skiff gets BS EHP if I am correct, the rest are left as is. Sigh...
New ORE frig: we want this ship to replace current mining frigates as low barrier of entry vessel, but also fulfill high-end gameplay expectations by providing a very mobile platform for mining in hostile space. Lowest mining output, decent ore bay, little to no resilience. Procurer/Skiff: primarily made for self-defense. Better mining rate than the ORE frig, good ore bay, but capable of having battleship-like EHP. Retriever/Mackinaw: made for self-reliance. Has the largest ore bay, similear to the size of a jet can, second best mining output but less EHP than the procurer mining barge. Covetor/hulk: ore bay is identical to its current cargo hold, little to average EHP, but best mining output. Basically made for group operations when players have industrials and protection to back them up.
From the EVE Blog
CCP is not intending the Hulk to be an AFK/Solo mining ship. |
Daemon Ceed
Jihad Squad from Riyadh Reckless Ambition
235
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Posted - 2012.07.06 18:38:00 -
[547] - Quote
LaserFurry wrote:I don't find Hulkageddon to be amoral bullying, but what I DO dislike about is - lazyness. Kamikaze destroyers just can't be bothered to scan down mission runners, coordinate a fleet for big enough alpha or beliebable bait, etc ... It's much easier to just warp in belt and target the first guy in mining barge.
Laziness, you say? I don't know about the majority of gankers, but I cannot merely swoop into a belt all lacksidaisy and afford burning 10-40km towards a miner to gank his balls off. We @ Jihad Squad use various ways of ensuring that when we jump into system that we are going to warp right on top of you 99% of the time. It's very coordinated and surgical. I'm not about to divulge my methods to you, but I assure you they are more than merely effective. They are downright psychopathic.
If we are going to talk about laziness how about we refer to the afk miner who sits there sucking ore all day long. The Sandbox = Play however the hell you want. |
Russell Casey
Goldbug Inc.
170
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Posted - 2012.07.07 17:49:00 -
[548] - Quote
LaserFurry wrote:I don't find Hulkageddon to be amoral bullying, but what I DO dislike about is - lazyness. Kamikaze destroyers just can't be bothered to scan down mission runners, coordinate a fleet for big enough alpha or beliebable bait, etc ... It's much easier to just warp in belt and target the first guy in mining barge.
So.... the lazy killing the lazy then? |
Daemon Ceed
Jihad Squad from Riyadh Reckless Ambition
237
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Posted - 2012.07.07 18:34:00 -
[549] - Quote
Russell Casey wrote:LaserFurry wrote:I don't find Hulkageddon to be amoral bullying, but what I DO dislike about is - lazyness. Kamikaze destroyers just can't be bothered to scan down mission runners, coordinate a fleet for big enough alpha or beliebable bait, etc ... It's much easier to just warp in belt and target the first guy in mining barge. So.... the lazy killing the lazy then?
There's nothing lazy about killing Hulks. I have to go through the exact same process for killing them as I would any player. Scout, locate, arrange warp-in, kill. If the level of work I do was directly compared to what Mr. AFKAsteroidGobbler is would be at least a magintude of 4. The Sandbox = Play however the hell you want. |
Breezly Brewin
Vril Metaphysics Society
30
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Posted - 2012.07.07 19:14:00 -
[550] - Quote
ganking really is harder than it looks i took an amateur shot at it and failed miserably. concord likes to make you lose target, neuts you and promptly blows you into smithereens. i'm not saying it's impossible, but all those that say it's effortless have clearly not tried it. (or they have decent experience in doing it thus it's easier)
EDIT: just finding an appropriate target takes time and doing so without making the target suspicious and changing belts or starting to align or just up and dock is a game all in itself. |
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Daemon Ceed
Jihad Squad from Riyadh Reckless Ambition
238
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Posted - 2012.07.08 04:08:00 -
[551] - Quote
Breezly Brewin wrote:ganking really is harder than it looks i took an amateur shot at it and failed miserably. concord likes to make you lose target, neuts you and promptly blows you into smithereens. i'm not saying it's impossible, but all those that say it's effortless have clearly not tried it. (or they have decent experience in doing it thus it's easier)
EDIT: just finding an appropriate target takes time and doing so without making the target suspicious and changing belts or starting to align or just up and dock is a game all in itself.
I'm not going to say that ganking is really really hard by anymeans, but there is a good deal of thought that goes into it. Anyone who thinks it's simply "Warp to the belt, press F1 and laugh hilariously" is very wrong. Target choice is a very good point, however we almost met our match today with a hull+shield tank Hulk with Orca links. There weren't even any mining upgrades on this thing, just tank and 1 stupid roid scanner:
They Can't Gank Me!!
Took 3 of us, but we got him nearly down to the last shot before Concordokken. Plainly put, if Jihad Squad wants your Hulk, it's gonna get it. The Sandbox = Play however the hell you want. |
Gorinia Sanford
Sons of Russ
21
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Posted - 2012.07.08 14:39:00 -
[552] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.
What? You couldn't find a Covetor to fly? Which is far cheaper than a Hulk? Sure, you lose a wee bit of yield, but here's the thing. Losing a Covetor to a gank from idiots who want to impose their idea of what you should do in Eve versus a Hulk from the same morons is far cheaper.
Sure, I do enjoy that I can fill four cans in a hulk vs. the three I can fill in a Covetor, but I can afford to lose a Covetor more than I can a Hulk. |
LaserFurry
Free of Taxes
0
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Posted - 2012.07.08 19:17:00 -
[553] - Quote
2 Daemon Ceed : Not saying you aren't professionals of your job, but ... Really, while you're burning down the miners, agentrunners of the very same system are making much more isks, in almost the same semi-afk way. Why don't you try and get them ? |
Michael1995
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
28
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Posted - 2012.07.09 17:05:00 -
[554] - Quote
Daemon Ceed wrote:Laziness, you say? I don't know about the majority of gankers, but I cannot merely swoop into a belt all lacksidaisy and afford burning 10-40km towards a miner to gank his balls off. We @ Jihad Squad use various ways of ensuring that when we jump into system that we are going to warp right on top of you 99% of the time. It's very coordinated and surgical. I'm not about to divulge my methods to you, but I assure you they are more than merely effective. They are downright psychopathic. I also have no problem throwing 3-4 more ships on top of a well tanked Hulk that's running gang boosts. It's not about the ISK efficiency for us, moreso the complete and total destruction of all highsec carebears who believe they are safe...even the ones that pull Concord into the belt with them thinking that it offers them a modicum of protection. We recently ganked a Hulk that had many Concord BS spawn already in the belt. I got off 7 volleys on his Hulk and podded him before Concord got me.
For every Hulk we do uber murderdeathoverkill on we kill 5 who are barely tanked at all and drop delicious T2 salvage to fund our war machine. Plainly put, you may go to great lengths to proect yourself, but we'll still have the means and the will to kill you anyways.
Now if we are going to talk about laziness how about we refer to the afk miner who sits there sucking ore all day long.
One shudders to imagine what inhuman thoughts lie behind that mask... One does not simply buy their way into Goonswarm. |
Zicon Shak'ra
Vacuo Anomalia
0
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Posted - 2012.07.09 17:08:00 -
[555] - Quote
Red Rydah wrote:I find Hulkageddon a great experience for me as a player. Just because I can't fly my retriever does not mean I can't play the game. Understanding how Hulkageddon affects the market leads to profit if you know how to read the graphs. I also mine but not with my retriever.
Most important, you learn. A chance encounter with a player (I won't mention his name but he knows who he is) helped me understand how to build a better tank that will benefit me when I start getting serious about mission running. I also got a better understanding on what skills help with what kind of damage resistance on both shield and armor.
Ragequitting not only makes you look like a baby, it also means you lost the opportunity to learn from and experience this great game
RR
Can we have more miners like this one? Pretty please? |
Daemon Ceed
Jihad Squad from Riyadh Reckless Ambition
240
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Posted - 2012.07.09 18:30:00 -
[556] - Quote
LaserFurry wrote:2 Daemon Ceed : Not saying you aren't professionals of your job, but ... Really, while you're burning down the miners, agentrunners of the very same system are making much more isks, in almost the same semi-afk way. Why don't you try and get them ?
If it was feasible for me to do this, I most certainly would. You see, I am -10, and it doesn't exactly allow me to stay in highsec long until the spacepigs are all up in my deep 6. So warping into somebodies mission, flying maybe 40km to get to them to violence there space boat is a bit problematic. An ideal thing would be if they are sitting at 0 on a gate like you see in the Extravaganza missions. The Sandbox = Play however the hell you want. |
Diziet Melyantim
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.07.11 02:11:00 -
[557] - Quote
So they want to control a part of the market, Drive the prices of mineral trade up via loss of property, as well as barge sales. (-Which they might/might not dominate)
I'd think this is pretty much given to anyone with a half of a brain. (Sans the goons/tools of war who are in it just for the ***** & giggles)
All in all, react to the circumstances, adapt, (optionally unite), fight back and prevail
<3
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Kyle Ward
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
199
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Posted - 2012.07.11 02:33:00 -
[558] - Quote
Doddy wrote:News for you buddy, 3 *1 mil isk ships cannot gank a tanked hulk. In fact 3 t2 catalysts wont kill a tanked hulk either. Your hull clearly wasn't tanked. A tanked hulk has 30k ehp, 40k ehp if you have the foresight to have a gang bonus. Assuming one catalyst is jammed by those ecm drones you dropped they really need 5 t2 catalysts to kill you.
Daemon Ceed wrote:I'm not going to say that ganking is really really hard by anymeans, but there is a good deal of thought that goes into it. Anyone who thinks it's simply "Warp to the belt, press F1 and laugh hilariously" is very wrong. Target choice is a very good point, however we almost met our match today with a hull+shield tank Hulk with Orca links. There weren't even any mining upgrades on this thing, just tank and 1 stupid roid scanner: They Can't Gank Me!!Took 3 of us, but we got him nearly down to the last shot before Concordokken. Plainly put, if Jihad Squad wants your Hulk, it's gonna get it.
The Sandbox, you're playing it wrong! |
Daemon Ceed
Jihad Squad from Riyadh Reckless Ambition
240
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Posted - 2012.07.11 09:14:00 -
[559] - Quote
Kyle Ward wrote:Doddy wrote:News for you buddy, 3 *1 mil isk ships cannot gank a tanked hulk. In fact 3 t2 catalysts wont kill a tanked hulk either. Your hull clearly wasn't tanked. A tanked hulk has 30k ehp, 40k ehp if you have the foresight to have a gang bonus. Assuming one catalyst is jammed by those ecm drones you dropped they really need 5 t2 catalysts to kill you. Daemon Ceed wrote:I'm not going to say that ganking is really really hard by anymeans, but there is a good deal of thought that goes into it. Anyone who thinks it's simply "Warp to the belt, press F1 and laugh hilariously" is very wrong. Target choice is a very good point, however we almost met our match today with a hull+shield tank Hulk with Orca links. There weren't even any mining upgrades on this thing, just tank and 1 stupid roid scanner: They Can't Gank Me!!Took 3 of us, but we got him nearly down to the last shot before Concordokken. Plainly put, if Jihad Squad wants your Hulk, it's gonna get it.
I'm sure that was the same face he had when he realized he was in his pod. Needless to say, I lol'd when I saw the fit we just killed.
For the cynics, API verified, biotches: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13920646 The Sandbox = Play however the hell you want. |
teh penguins
Atlas Titan's
0
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Posted - 2012.07.11 10:37:00 -
[560] - Quote
the price difference between the two ships is because of economics not overall ship worth. this isn't wow. players drive teh economy not CCP. |
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D'go Jahn
Rainbow Commune
6
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Posted - 2012.07.11 15:48:00 -
[561] - Quote
EFF ONEF1 wrote:Have fun in eq2
This... this is the kind of guy CCP caters to. Great long-term plan devs. |
Daemon Ceed
Jihad Squad from Riyadh Reckless Ambition
243
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Posted - 2012.07.11 20:04:00 -
[562] - Quote
D'go Jahn wrote:EFF ONEF1 wrote:Have fun in eq2 This... this is the kind of guy CCP caters to. Great long-term plan devs.
It is for the type of people we want in this game. HTFU or go back to EQ2/WoW/STOL/etc. The Sandbox = Play however the hell you want. |
Gambai Fuchette
Mossad Industries
0
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Posted - 2012.07.11 22:18:00 -
[563] - Quote
Daemon Ceed wrote:D'go Jahn wrote:EFF ONEF1 wrote:Have fun in eq2 This... this is the kind of guy CCP caters to. Great long-term plan devs. It is for the type of people we want in this game. HTFU or go back to EQ2/WoW/STOL/etc.
This thread made me re-subscribe to Eve. Been out for 5 months but I have a big need to start bounty-ing again. No game gives you the freedom like EVE.
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Daemon Ceed
Jihad Squad from Riyadh Reckless Ambition
243
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Posted - 2012.07.11 23:02:00 -
[564] - Quote
Gambai Fuchette wrote:Daemon Ceed wrote:D'go Jahn wrote:EFF ONEF1 wrote:Have fun in eq2 This... this is the kind of guy CCP caters to. Great long-term plan devs. It is for the type of people we want in this game. HTFU or go back to EQ2/WoW/STOL/etc. This thread made me re-subscribe to Eve. Been out for 5 months but I have a big need to start bounty-ing again. No game gives you the freedom like EVE.
Welcome back! See, Hulkageddon doesn't make people leave Eve, it brings them back home :) The Sandbox = Play however the hell you want. |
Sarray en Welle
Ashfell Celestial Equilibrium POD-SQUAD
1
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Posted - 2012.07.12 13:08:00 -
[565] - Quote
Chill, we believe u.. We are all adults, are we not?
I just cant believe what gives u high - dont like ganks in general.. Appreciate 1 on 1 similar ships and fits, but ganking.. Meh..
But hey, we are not all the same..
About the hulkageddon - i dont really care about ignorant miners loosing their expensive hulks - covetor is dead cheap in comparison.
And good thing to exterminate AFK mining. Lets see what will happen with a mining barges buff later.. should be a bit more interesting.. |
Togg Bott
One Clone Gang
5
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Posted - 2012.07.12 22:48:00 -
[566] - Quote
Hey....ummmm yeah......WOW! the whine is strong in this thread. lol, where to start? hell lets just go to the end.
Bye Bye, have fun elsewhere
your stuff? i haz please?
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Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
1
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Posted - 2012.07.14 02:58:00 -
[567] - Quote
Sarray en Welle wrote:Chill, we believe u.. We are all adults, are we not?
actually, Deamon Ceed seems to have the mentality of a child more than an adult if you ask me. Just have a look at this bio, Now, THAT is funny.
"- Ambassador to the Holy Order of the Flying Speghetti Monster
Doing bad things to good people since 2011
Quotes:
Daemon Ceed > Just let me know when your cap gets back up so I can neut it again. Thx. Blart Agrajag > jesus christ Daemon Ceed > You can just call me Daemon. Daemon Ceed > No need for the brevity.
Antonious Corvinus > it's just crazy how quick you beat the **** out of my ship.... Gutless2 Kunta-kin-ta > you ripped me to pieces in seconds"
I especially like the use of the word "brevity". Apparently he threw that in there to appear smart. LOL. |
Daemon Ceed
Jihad Squad from Riyadh Reckless Ambition
245
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Posted - 2012.07.14 04:08:00 -
[568] - Quote
Fabulous Rod wrote:Sarray en Welle wrote:Chill, we believe u.. We are all adults, are we not? actually, Deamon Ceed seems to have the mentality of a child more than an adult if you ask me. Just have a look at this bio, Now, THAT is funny. I'm with you, I would find no challenge and barely any fun in rolling around with 3 guys, ganking random miners who won't fight back. Deamon Ceed bio: "- Ambassador to the Holy Order of the Flying Speghetti Monster Doing bad things to good people since 2011 Quotes: Daemon Ceed > Just let me know when your cap gets back up so I can neut it again. Thx. Blart Agrajag > jesus christ Daemon Ceed > You can just call me Daemon. Daemon Ceed > No need for the brevity. Antonious Corvinus > it's just crazy how quick you beat the **** out of my ship.... Gutless2 Kunta-kin-ta > you ripped me to pieces in seconds" I especially like the use of the word "brevity". Apparently he threw that in there to appear smart. LOL.
Wow. You are certainly an obsessed tool, aren't you Fabulous Rod? You should really quote me and the slight misuse of a movie quote in every single post you make! I think that'd be excellent. The hilarious thing was that you weren't even the one to point out that I used the word incorrectly. Personally, I doubt that 90% of people in general could really tell you the definition of that word anyways. LOL. Go smoke a pole buddy ;)
The Sandbox = Play however the hell you want. |
GhostDragoon
Incertae Sedis Cascade Imminent
9
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Posted - 2012.07.14 04:37:00 -
[569] - Quote
This thread again........ really??? |
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
1
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Posted - 2012.07.14 05:11:00 -
[570] - Quote
Daemon Ceed wrote:Fabulous Rod wrote:Sarray en Welle wrote:Chill, we believe u.. We are all adults, are we not? actually, Deamon Ceed seems to have the mentality of a child more than an adult if you ask me. Just have a look at this bio, Now, THAT is funny. I'm with you, I would find no challenge and barely any fun in rolling around with 3 guys, ganking random miners who won't fight back. Deamon Ceed bio: "- Ambassador to the Holy Order of the Flying Speghetti Monster Doing bad things to good people since 2011 Quotes: Daemon Ceed > Just let me know when your cap gets back up so I can neut it again. Thx. Blart Agrajag > jesus christ Daemon Ceed > You can just call me Daemon. Daemon Ceed > No need for the brevity. Antonious Corvinus > it's just crazy how quick you beat the **** out of my ship.... Gutless2 Kunta-kin-ta > you ripped me to pieces in seconds" I especially like the use of the word "brevity". Apparently he threw that in there to appear smart. LOL. Wow. You are certainly an obsessed tool, aren't you Fabulous Rod? You should really quote me and the slight misuse of a movie quote in every single post you make! I think that'd be excellent. The hilarious thing was that you weren't even the one to point out that I used the word incorrectly. Personally, I doubt that 90% of people in general could really tell you the definition of that word anyways. LOL. Go smoke a pole buddy ;)
It was actually going to be part of my next post but the other guy beat me to it and I didn't want to make it seem like that was the only reason your bio is laughable. I didn't want to cook you too quickly. One solid burn at a time. Even your re-interpretation is wrong, "brevity" simply means briefness. |
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Daemon Ceed
Jihad Squad from Riyadh Reckless Ambition
246
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Posted - 2012.07.14 05:33:00 -
[571] - Quote
Fabulous Rod wrote:
It was actually going to be part of my next post but the other guy beat me to it and I didn't want to make it seem like that was the main reason your bio is laughable. I didn't want to cook you too quickly. One solid burn at a time. Even your re-interpretation is wrong, "brevity" simply means briefness.
On topic: Couldn't you easily make suicide ganking a loss for the ganker by salvaging the wreck? Seems like the mods for a hulk wouldn't even cover the costs of the dessy fits needed to kill them. Its so much prep work already to suicide gank miners, they really aren't making very much isk at all when they actually do happen to make a profit, considering all the accounts needed for it.
LMAO. Dude, you are hilarious! And you make yourself look stupid. A name can be shortened in the interest of brevity (i.e. using fewer words to describe or say something), and if you had the comprehension skills of something other than a housecat you could see that I was saying he could just call me "Daemon" rather than the much longer "Jesus Christ". I applied the word wrong, but the intent was obvious. If you thought you burned me, you're sorely mistaken.
And to futher your common lack of knowledge of how gankers operate, we typically have someone come in to gather up the wrecks of the Hulk, the Catalysts, and salvage all of the ships. Hulks drop some mighty nice T2 salvage. Intact Armor Plates are delicious! A typical gank Catalyst costs about 3-4mil. A single Modulated Strip Miner II costs ~6mil. If I get the Hulk loot, most of my loot and your of your delicious salvage I come out quite ahead. Most miners don't bother coming back for the loot. They are more worried about their nearly worthless 2mil can of ore that'll take them 2-3 trips in a Hauler to move out. Now that's comedy!
The Sandbox = Play however the hell you want. |
Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
1
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Posted - 2012.07.14 05:46:00 -
[572] - Quote
Daemon Ceed wrote: you make yourself look stupid. A name can be shortened in the interest of brevity (i.e. using fewer words to describe or say something), and if you had the comprehension skills of something other than a housecat you could see that I was saying he could just call me "Daemon" rather than the much longer "Jesus Christ". I applied the word wrong, but the intent was obvious. If you thought you burned me, you're sorely mistaken.
Yes, "Jesus Christ" is longer and you say "no need for the brevity" , just call me deamon, which is shorter, so you are actually using the word totally opposite its meaning, if that is what you even meant, lol.
Your confusion over this and the way you clown yourself so hard while pretending other people are dumb is hilarious!
BAHAHAHAHA! |
Daemon Ceed
Jihad Squad from Riyadh Reckless Ambition
246
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Posted - 2012.07.14 05:50:00 -
[573] - Quote
Fabulous Rod wrote:Daemon Ceed wrote: you make yourself look stupid. A name can be shortened in the interest of brevity (i.e. using fewer words to describe or say something), and if you had the comprehension skills of something other than a housecat you could see that I was saying he could just call me "Daemon" rather than the much longer "Jesus Christ". I applied the word wrong, but the intent was obvious. If you thought you burned me, you're sorely mistaken.
Yes, "Jesus Christ" is longer and you say "no need for the brevity" , just call me deamon, which is shorter, so you are actually using the word totally opposite its meaning, if that is what you even meant, lol. Your confusion over this and the way you clown yourself so hard while pretending other people are dumb is hilarious! BAHAHAHAHA!
Derp, isn't that what I just said? I made a mistake in applying a word. OMG, nobody has every done that! Haha, smoke poll tool ;) The Sandbox = Play however the hell you want. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1045
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Posted - 2012.07.15 03:38:00 -
[574] - Quote
He made a mistake, be an adult and get over yourself. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
501
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Posted - 2012.07.15 05:37:00 -
[575] - Quote
Oh, cool!
This is the thread we're supposed to be necro'ing tonight!
(/Me giggles madly) URP-SPLOSION TYME NAOW!!
E:
I are kyute kitten. In irae, veritas. |
Inda Bak
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.07.15 08:01:00 -
[576] - Quote
Dodixie MarketSlave wrote:Seriusly, I dont want to look harsh of something like that, but everybody knows and you knew before you sing up that EVE is a hardcore game. People plays eve because they can **** other people, PvP and there is no secure area. I mean High sec is highly situational... To sum up part of the EvE sucess as a game is because of it's ruthless nature, other way people would be playing softcore mmo's like WoW and etc.
Successful in what terms? On a busy day, 47k peeps will be online. 47k x 12.50 a month isn't super successful. WoW may be a joke, but they have 10 million subscribers.
The learning curve turns away a lot of people. I know, I know, the peeps on these forums will be the first to say that they like it that way, but that puts their definition of successful into play, not the standard definition.
Eve does fit the whole internet phenominon of anyone can be an ass to anyone because there's no real accountability. I guess it's successful in those terms. |
Celestius al'Rhaytian
Celestial Construction and Mining Industries
0
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Posted - 2012.07.15 12:45:00 -
[577] - Quote
In reply to the individual who used 9/11 as an example of terrorism:
Actually there was plenty of warning prior to 9/11, The french embassy as well as the Afghan Embassy sent letters and warnings to the US government for weeks before the event happened.
No steps were taken to prevent such Activities from occurring by the US. in fact to cover the entire incident a training session which the us claimed was top secret, was held on the very day it occurred, so it could later be used as a cover for why response was not quick enough.
Though I suppose it doesn't really matter as it was perpetrated by the US government anyway under their Black Flag operations criteria.
Facts about 9/11:
* The planes that hit the Trade centers? Were not passenger liners. They were Air Force marked planes (Several videos of them can be found on youtube and other websites) And they give great angles at the undersides of the planes. (Also the Fuselages are shaped wrong to be civilian liners) * Jet fuel under no circumstance EVER burns hot enough to melt steel (This is a scientific impossibility). * The rubble was cut at direct angles (The beams in the building) which only occurs from Thermite cutting used in demolitions. - Demolitions take weeks to set up, Also anyone who has ever seen a building demolished knows the only way a building safely free falls without damaging surrounding structures is - Controlled Demolition. (Which means the charges had to be set up weeks before hand and the whole thing "Staged".
* If a fire is claimed to melts steal, how do paper passport's with not so much as a scorch mark survive? * If the terrorists killed themselves by flying the plane into a building, how does one of the accused (who happens to be a registered citizen) Stand up and say "I am alive" after the Gov states he was one of the terrorists? (And he then promptly sued the US gov and won the suite, Google it). * No arrests were ever made * All actual evidence was confiscated by the men in black suits. * Many eyewitnesses with camcorders where threatened with prison sentences if they ever released the footage. (Wonder why?) * All security footage from all security cameras including the planes black boxes were confiscated never to be used in public investigation and never released or made available to the press.
Black Flag Operation: An operation of the government by which it uses terrorist tactics on its own citizens in order to pass laws or bills designed to fit the desires or wants or the current political party.
Law passed after 9/11 - National Security Act. (Which is unconstitutional). Attempted times the US gov has tried to pass said act - 4 Most recent time - Oklahoma City Bombing - (Also a black Flag operation) Reason not passed after Oklahoma - Not enough people killed, not enough fear instilled, nation was not angry enough, No clear target for citizens to blame
*** 9/11 Religious Motivations, hatred, prejudice, fear, War.
National security Act passed 3 days after 9/11
*****
All of the above information is public, and can be found by many creditable sources from MIT as well several respected and prodigious Firms wh
Just saying. |
Russell Casey
The Master Baitors
171
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Posted - 2012.07.15 15:10:00 -
[578] - Quote
Elvis was flying the first plane. Fact verified by Internet. |
feihcsiM
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.07.20 09:36:00 -
[579] - Quote
Could it be that hulks are designed to do things other than mine solo in highsec? Maybe, say, in a mining fleet in a defended 0.0 system? Could it be that there are other, much cheaper T1 ships that are more suitable for solo highsec mining which is a profession widely known to be both a vunerable and a preferential target for many?
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Mallak Azaria
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Posted - 2012.07.20 12:21:00 -
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Inda Bak wrote:Dodixie MarketSlave wrote:Seriusly, I dont want to look harsh of something like that, but everybody knows and you knew before you sing up that EVE is a hardcore game. People plays eve because they can **** other people, PvP and there is no secure area. I mean High sec is highly situational... To sum up part of the EvE sucess as a game is because of it's ruthless nature, other way people would be playing softcore mmo's like WoW and etc. Successful in what terms? On a busy day, 47k peeps will be online. 47k x 12.50 a month isn't super successful. WoW may be a joke, but they have 10 million subscribers. The learning curve turns away a lot of people. I know, I know, the peeps on these forums will be the first to say that they like it that way, but that puts their definition of successful into play, not the standard definition. Eve does fit the whole internet phenominon of anyone can be an ass to anyone because there's no real accountability. I guess it's successful in those terms.
Successful in terms of how many other MMO's have been running for 9 years & continue to gain subscribers? Can you name any others? |
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Sorceror Majiir
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.07.20 22:10:00 -
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I'm with the OP, Inda, and the rest who support less violence in High Sec. Yes it hurts Eve revenues Mall and others, imagine what would happen in WoW if players could 'warp in" to an ongoing dungeon.. engage those inside, kill them and take their stuff.. say good bye to a vast portion of those 10M subscribers.
Sure the perps get a free lunch.. and can mock and dis those they killed, but heh.. as a business, in a very competitive market, you want to attract players not **** them off. And this causes you to lose revenues because players will say.. C Ya.
Case in point, I had 9 accounts at one time in Eve.. all started around 2003-2004. I got rid of all but 1 now.. and I only occasionally play.
Lost revenues to Eve.. $120 a month, $1440 a year... to date ~ 8 years later roughly.. $11,520 ... LOST REVENUE ON 1 PLAYER.
Lets say they capture 10% of the Wow market by making eve less violent to new players and those that don't like being ganked in high sec by perps. Eve is a kick ass space game.. they should be able to do that.
1 Million new subscribers.. each with one acct gets $15M in new revenues monthly..
and a staggering $180 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.
A 21x multiply on what they are making now.. hell I'd buy stock if they did that. That doesn't even count multiple accounts. So you want to really know what the cost of allowing perps to manipulate their game environment is... there ya go.
Just imagine how mega cool this game could be. WoW clearly shows where the vast amount of revenues are... personally I think Eve senior management should reinvent their long term business strategy and wake up. Their subscriber base has not significantly increased in 9 years. Why is that? Could it be that this strategy of allowing ganking to occur completely kills their ability to grow and attract new players - between that and the long learning curve, new players don't stand a chance.
So while all the perps continue to slap themselves on the back for successful crime and misconduct.. a great game stagnates and in business there is only one outcome to stagnation.
- Majiir |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
96
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Posted - 2012.07.20 23:23:00 -
[582] - Quote
Keep it relatively on topic please. Cleaned up the thread a bit.
-ISD Dorrim Barstorlode ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Ensign Community Communication Liasions (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
523
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Posted - 2012.07.21 19:08:00 -
[583] - Quote
Sorceror Majiir wrote: [...]
Just imagine how mega cool this game could be. WoW clearly shows where the vast amount of revenues are... personally I think Eve senior management should reinvent their long term business strategy and wake up. Their subscriber base has not significantly increased in 9 years. Why is that? Could it be that this strategy of allowing ganking to occur completely kills their ability to grow and attract new players - between that and the long learning curve, new players don't stand a chance.
So while all the perps continue to slap themselves on the back for successful crime and misconduct.. a great game stagnates and in business there is only one outcome to stagnation.
- Majiir
It wouldn't be cool, though.
It would be a grating grind-fest based on laughably primitive mechanics, complete lack of immersion exacerbated by same, and buggered up further by an archaic, screen-hogging kludge of a UI, with gameplay that is, at best, average.
Get it through your head, for ****'s sake:
EVE =/= WoW, nor can it ever, they are completely different games, based on completely different paradigms. WoW does WoW much better than EVE could ever hope to, in any case.
No, EVE wouldn't be "cool" with an influx of stupid, over-entitled, easily-led little WoW-kids, it would be a complete effing nightmare, and would die quite quickly.
Oh, and EVE's subscriber-base has only grown year-over-year, with the quite-proper exception of that Incarna farce, so I don't know whose arse you're pulling that age-old, totally wrong assertion out of, but....yeah.
If you're such a fan of the "traditional/generic" MMO-model, then why don't you just go play those games? There are certainly enough to choose from. CCP is unlikely to return your phone-calls giving them "advice," regardless.
I can haz ur stuffs?
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Beachura
Invitation
4
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Posted - 2012.07.21 19:59:00 -
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Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.
Mate, I am a pilot who occasionally ganks in high sec and I have to agree that I think exhumers should receive a hit point increase. The cheaper mining barges are fine but the hulks and mackinaws I think do need to be buffed a tad.
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Daemon Ceed
Jihad Squad from Riyadh Reckless Ambition
260
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Posted - 2012.07.22 01:30:00 -
[585] - Quote
Beachura wrote:Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded. Mate, I am a pilot who occasionally ganks in high sec and I have to agree that I think exhumers should receive a hit point increase. The cheaper mining barges are fine but the hulks and mackinaws I think do need to be buffed a tad.
Although I may be biased as a ganker, the Hulk and Mackinaw already get the best yield. You want the yield, you take the risk of having a flimsier ship. It's a fair trade-off. The Sandbox = Play however the hell you want. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1090
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Posted - 2012.07.22 03:05:00 -
[586] - Quote
Daemon Ceed wrote:Beachura wrote:Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded. Mate, I am a pilot who occasionally ganks in high sec and I have to agree that I think exhumers should receive a hit point increase. The cheaper mining barges are fine but the hulks and mackinaws I think do need to be buffed a tad. Although I may be biased as a ganker, the Hulk and Mackinaw already get the best yield. You want the yield, you take the risk of having a flimsier ship. It's a fair trade-off. And will be even better when the mining buff goes through.
The lower yield miners will actually have better tanks. So even lazy miners will have a choice.
And if they die then in max yield Hulks, its their own fault. |
Sorceror Majiir
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.07.22 04:07:00 -
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Tarryn: The OP started this thread with he was quitting due to getting ganked in HighSec, losing an expensive ship he worked hard for, and most of his justification for subscribing.
My point is, he's just the tip of the iceberg. High Sec violence needs to be reduced if Eve wants to attract and retain subscribers. Eve began around 15k-20k subscribers in 2003 if memory serves.. maybe a few thousand less. Today they boast 40k and change. That's a 2x increase in 9 years. Not all that stellar in the business world. It's unknown how many of those accounts are multiples from the same subscriber.. and I would bet at least 10%, maybe as high as 50%. So your really talking about 20-35k real people playing. Let newcomers get used to the game before getting vaporized/stolen from/ etc. My own wife refuses to play this game, and she loves games, simply because she got killed in High Sec while trying to learn the mechanics---multiple times, that experience convinced my sons and brother in law not to play - yeah we're a gaming family what can I say... so in just my family, 4 additional accounts lost, and that doesn't even count all the multiples I had... that's no way to introduce people to a game.
Also, these aren't kids we're talking about.. a LOT of adults are gamers.. my "kids" are 20 and 30 yo, my bro in law is in his 40's. heh, so I'll say it again.. all ganking violence in High Sec should be stopped... insta pops on any aggressor - pods too, account ban for a month, hard nose policy. Tough Love works. No question about reimbursements to new players is a good idea too. Make the game new player friendly. Anyway trying not to get too off topic, just sayin.. I enjoyed the game years back when I could sit out in null sec and never see anyone.. mine the tasty ores.. kick back with a beverage, kill the occasional rat.. good stuff.
Cheers, - Majiir |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1090
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Posted - 2012.07.22 04:51:00 -
[588] - Quote
Sorceror Majiir wrote:Tarryn: The OP started this thread with he was quitting due to getting ganked in HighSec, losing an expensive ship he worked hard for, and most of his justification for subscribing.
My point is, he's just the tip of the iceberg. High Sec violence needs to be reduced if Eve wants to attract and retain subscribers. Eve began around 15k-20k subscribers in 2003 if memory serves.. maybe a few thousand less. Today they boast 40k and change. That's a 2x increase in 9 years. Not all that stellar in the business world. It's unknown how many of those accounts are multiples from the same subscriber.. and I would bet at least 10%, maybe as high as 50%. So your really talking about 20-35k real people playing. Let newcomers get used to the game before getting vaporized/stolen from/ etc. My own wife refuses to play this game, and she loves games, simply because she got killed in High Sec while trying to learn the mechanics---multiple times, that experience convinced my sons and brother in law not to play - yeah we're a gaming family what can I say... so in just my family, 4 additional accounts lost, and that doesn't even count all the multiples I had... that's no way to introduce people to a game.
Also, these aren't kids we're talking about.. a LOT of adults are gamers.. my "kids" are 20 and 30 yo, my bro in law is in his 40's. heh, so I'll say it again.. all ganking violence in High Sec should be stopped... insta pops on any aggressor - pods too, account ban for a month, hard nose policy. Tough Love works. No question about reimbursements to new players is a good idea too. Make the game new player friendly. Anyway trying not to get too off topic, just sayin.. I enjoyed the game years back when I could sit out in null sec and never see anyone.. mine the tasty ores.. kick back with a beverage, kill the occasional rat.. good stuff.
Cheers, - Majiir If what you want was initiated, EVE would die within a few weeks (ok months because CCP would try to apologize). There are thousands of players who think the HS mechanic needs more, not less risk.
This game is for a specific set of players. CCP knew this when they started. They shouldn't cater to another type of player, and risk losing the ones that kept them afloat (and thrived, for as few as they have). |
Astroniomix
Thorn Project Black Thorne Alliance
98
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Posted - 2012.07.22 05:33:00 -
[589] - Quote
Corina Jarr wrote:Sorceror Majiir wrote:Tarryn: The OP started this thread with he was quitting due to getting ganked in HighSec, losing an expensive ship he worked hard for, and most of his justification for subscribing.
My point is, he's just the tip of the iceberg. High Sec violence needs to be reduced if Eve wants to attract and retain subscribers. Eve began around 15k-20k subscribers in 2003 if memory serves.. maybe a few thousand less. Today they boast 40k and change. That's a 2x increase in 9 years. Not all that stellar in the business world. It's unknown how many of those accounts are multiples from the same subscriber.. and I would bet at least 10%, maybe as high as 50%. So your really talking about 20-35k real people playing. Let newcomers get used to the game before getting vaporized/stolen from/ etc. My own wife refuses to play this game, and she loves games, simply because she got killed in High Sec while trying to learn the mechanics---multiple times, that experience convinced my sons and brother in law not to play - yeah we're a gaming family what can I say... so in just my family, 4 additional accounts lost, and that doesn't even count all the multiples I had... that's no way to introduce people to a game.
Also, these aren't kids we're talking about.. a LOT of adults are gamers.. my "kids" are 20 and 30 yo, my bro in law is in his 40's. heh, so I'll say it again.. all ganking violence in High Sec should be stopped... insta pops on any aggressor - pods too, account ban for a month, hard nose policy. Tough Love works. No question about reimbursements to new players is a good idea too. Make the game new player friendly. Anyway trying not to get too off topic, just sayin.. I enjoyed the game years back when I could sit out in null sec and never see anyone.. mine the tasty ores.. kick back with a beverage, kill the occasional rat.. good stuff.
Cheers, - Majiir If what you want was initiated, EVE would die within a few weeks (ok months because CCP would try to apologize). There are thousands of players who think the HS mechanic needs more, not less risk. This game is for a specific set of players. CCP knew this when they started. They shouldn't cater to another type of player, and risk losing the ones that kept them afloat (and thrived, for as few as they have). Last time I checked, eve had a few hundred thousand subscribers, not 40. (there are over 25k people online right now).
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Sorceror Majiir
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.07.22 06:04:00 -
[590] - Quote
Corina: "If what you want was initiated, EVE would die within a few weeks"
I really don't buy that. I have never understood why people think there is a need to kill people in HS. I cannot think of one good reason to do that. You have LS, WH, NS .. all these places where experienced players and folks wanting to step out into more dangerous areas, can go.. why in HS.. makes no sense, you kill your new player market. The only reason to do that is because people want to gank players who are underpowered or unfitted for a pvp fight. It's bullying, pure and simple. If you have the guts, test yourself against those who can fight back, not just so you can stroke your ego at the expense of others.
Astro: Fair enough, I don't know the subscriber base numbers for Eve, nor how many they have lost over the years, nor how many are multiples from the same people. Personally I love the game, have from day one. But I don't necessarily want to PvP all the time. I enjoy Pve, mining, manufacturing, trading, all that. But I think Eve has chosen a path that has crippled their growth and There are few voices that support less violence in HS. but you never stop hearing from players who have had enough, and leave... I'd like to stop that trend. I want to see more people, new players, enjoy this game not so they can get popped by some perps, but for all the other rich features Eve has coded in over the years. This game has more to offer than pvp, more pvp, endless pvp..... |
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Astroniomix
Thorn Project Black Thorne Alliance
98
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Posted - 2012.07.22 06:12:00 -
[591] - Quote
Sorceror Majiir wrote:Corina: "If what you want was initiated, EVE would die within a few weeks"
I really don't buy that. I have never understood why people think there is a need to kill people in HS. I cannot think of one good reason to do that. You have LS, WH, NS .. all these places where experienced players and folks wanting to step out into more dangerous areas, can go.. why in HS.. makes no sense, you kill your new player market. The only reason to do that is because people want to gank players who are underpowered or unfitted for a pvp fight. It's bullying, pure and simple. If you have the guts, test yourself against those who can fight back, not just so you can stroke your ego at the expense of others.
Astro: Fair enough, I don't know the subscriber base numbers for Eve, nor how many they have lost over the years, nor how many are multiples from the same people. Personally I love the game, have from day one. But I don't necessarily want to PvP all the time. I enjoy Pve, mining, manufacturing, trading, all that. But I think Eve has chosen a path that has crippled their growth and There are few voices that support less violence in HS. but you never stop hearing from players who have had enough, and leave... I'd like to stop that trend. I want to see more people, new players, enjoy this game not so they can get popped by some perps, but for all the other rich features Eve has coded in over the years. This game has more to offer than pvp, more pvp, endless pvp..... Thing is, ganking is a way to use pvp to pay for more pvp. (you can make more money buy blowing hulks in highsec than you can by flying the damn thing)
As for "you have lowsec ect. to go find people to pvp. That's only partialy true. Most of the people out there are just as afraid of pvp as people in highsec. And of the few that aren't flat out afraid of it, only a VERY small fraction are willing to undock with anything other than overwhelming odds in their favor.
EX: most of my attempts at soloing end like this. |
Zyella Stormborn
Alpha Strategy In Umbra Mortis
23
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Posted - 2012.07.22 07:41:00 -
[592] - Quote
Corina Jarr wrote: This game is for a specific set of players. CCP knew this when they started. They shouldn't cater to another type of player, and risk losing the ones that kept them afloat (and thrived, for as few as they have).
Actually I see the words 'sand box', and something for everyone, thrown around a lot. (not picking a particular side, but I must have missed the post where CCP said they only cater to a tiny market and arent interested in growth). |
Zyella Stormborn
Alpha Strategy In Umbra Mortis
23
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Posted - 2012.07.22 07:51:00 -
[593] - Quote
Biggest problem I have seen so far is that, for all the talk about pvp, not a lot seems to go on at any one time in general in low sec / 0.0. There is a ton of boring time while looking for a fight or a gank. So they tend to jump into high sec where they can find targets, usually ones that dont or don't know how to fight back effectively.
On top of that, there is the rather steep learning curve, and the odd jumps going from high sec to low sec to 0.0, and you get a lot of players that are new to EVE's style of play that get frustrated, with a large % of them leaving.
(Just my opinion of course) They need to make Low Sec more desireable, both in minerals, and reasons to pvp there (losing faction is not a great reason to want to jump in). This would give more high sec players reasons to 'jump into the pool' as it were, and start enjoying the deeper waters. 0.0 is a whole different thing, and my experience in there is very limited, but the biggest problem I have seen as a passenger (son and few friends all live out there) is that any areas owned by corps are fairly simple to defend... just look for the non-blue that showed up on local and everyone starts hunting them down. Makes it difficult for smaller scale fun roams, hunting, etc, and in general does not make it feel as unsafe as low sec or (oddly enough) high sec.
What are good answers or solutions? I have a few ideas, but weather they are good are not I guess is up for interpretation. ;)
I would definitely love to see 80k+ people logged in at any one point, preferably accounts, and not just players with 4-6 alts logged in. lol
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Sorceror Majiir
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.07.22 09:37:00 -
[594] - Quote
Zyella: Right on.. great suggestions. 0.0 you spend a lot of time defending, but yeah makes better cash. Though I used to get plenty of ores from reprocessing drops from agent jobs. Seems like they must have changed that because reprocs are nowhere near what they used to be, seems like. Used to be better than mining - get ores while blowing stuff up. |
Daemon Ceed
Jihad Squad from Riyadh Reckless Ambition
261
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Posted - 2012.07.22 11:21:00 -
[595] - Quote
Zyella Stormborn wrote:Biggest problem I have seen so far is that, for all the talk about pvp, not a lot seems to go on at any one time in general in low sec / 0.0. There is a ton of boring time while looking for a fight or a gank. So they tend to jump into high sec where they can find targets, usually ones that dont or don't know how to fight back effectively.
And who's fault is that? If the majority of people hide in highsec and are unwilling to at least learn to live in a bit more hostile prone environment, we are gonna come to highsec with blackened hearts and murder on our minds. I believe the point we are trying to make is that highsec is not a place you can come to hide from random acts of violence.
Zyella Stormborn wrote: On top of that, there is the rather steep learning curve, and the odd jumps going from high sec to low sec to 0.0, and you get a lot of players that are new to EVE's style of play that get frustrated, with a large % of them leaving.
Agreed on the learning curve, but stats or gtfo on the "leaving" part. I believe you just chose to arbitrarily pull that one out of your deep 6. Most people I know who have started this game past a month or two have stayed despite incredible losses. I think it's due to the time investment. You spend a lot of time learning, skilling, grinding, etc. A typical person usually isn't willing to throw that away just because they got ganked a few times. It's my hope they learn and become better players, regardless if they are industrialists or purist pvp'ers.
Zyella Stormborn wrote: (Just my opinion of course) They need to make Low Sec more desireable, both in minerals, and reasons to pvp there (losing faction is not a great reason to want to jump in). This would give more high sec players reasons to 'jump into the pool' as it were, and start enjoying the deeper waters.
Call me silly, but I doubt many miners would jump into lowsec even if they put Arkonor in every belt. Most miners I've talked to are totally risk averse, and in my line of work I end up speaking to many of them. Granted, the conversation usually begins with several choice profanities on their behalf, but on occasion it's possible to engage in a useful dialogue with them.
The Sandbox = Play however the hell you want. |
Zyella Stormborn
Alpha Strategy In Umbra Mortis
24
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Posted - 2012.07.22 16:29:00 -
[596] - Quote
Daemon Ceed wrote:Zyella Stormborn wrote:Biggest problem I have seen so far is that, for all the talk about pvp, not a lot seems to go on at any one time in general in low sec / 0.0. There is a ton of boring time while looking for a fight or a gank. So they tend to jump into high sec where they can find targets, usually ones that dont or don't know how to fight back effectively.
And who's fault is that? If the majority of people hide in highsec and are unwilling to at least learn to live in a bit more hostile prone environment, we are gonna come to highsec with blackened hearts and murder on our minds. I believe the point we are trying to make is that highsec is not a place you can come to hide from random acts of violence. Zyella Stormborn wrote: On top of that, there is the rather steep learning curve, and the odd jumps going from high sec to low sec to 0.0, and you get a lot of players that are new to EVE's style of play that get frustrated, with a large % of them leaving.
Agreed on the learning curve, but stats or gtfo on the "leaving" part. I believe you just chose to arbitrarily pull that one out of your deep 6. Most people I know who have started this game past a month or two have stayed despite incredible losses. I think it's due to the time investment. You spend a lot of time learning, skilling, grinding, etc. A typical person usually isn't willing to throw that away just because they got ganked a few times. It's my hope they learn and become better players, regardless if they are industrialists or purist pvp'ers. Zyella Stormborn wrote: (Just my opinion of course) They need to make Low Sec more desireable, both in minerals, and reasons to pvp there (losing faction is not a great reason to want to jump in). This would give more high sec players reasons to 'jump into the pool' as it were, and start enjoying the deeper waters.
Call me silly, but I doubt many miners would jump into lowsec even if they put Arkonor in every belt. Most miners I've talked to are totally risk averse, and in my line of work I end up speaking to many of them. Granted, the conversation usually begins with several choice profanities on their behalf, but on occasion it's possible to engage in a useful dialogue with them.
Lol you are a poor example Demon, in that you are one of the extremes on the other side. I think a lot of the rage and tears on the forums comes from conflict with people from the 2 extremes of the spectrum (PVP-only-screw-who-you-can types that want the non stop adrenaline, and the PVE-only-carebears that want to never have to interact with other players across the barrel of a gun). I myself am a bit more of a middle-of-the-road (getting older and a bit more mellow) type that enjoys both but leans towards mining / missioning.
Would upgrading the ores in low sec be an ultimate fix? I seriously doubt it. But would it start putting more high sec players out there, and in particular corporations? I believe it would. As for other fixes and / or incentives, I truly don't know, and I am sure there are a lot of pple out there who have great ideas. The point was there really is not much of a slope, only a cliff. As for the percentage of leaving remark. I have been playing this game off and on since 2004. Due to that, a lot of friends, family, and even some other co workers have tried the game out. Five of them total are still playing. Three out of those five are CoD and TF2 junkies that don't give two damns about anything in the game other than what the best pvp ships are and how to fit em. The rest had repeated bad experiences early on, or (against my advice at the time) tried to get a better feel for the game in bad locations (too close to Jita).
I am not laying fault at the feet of players, I think a large part of it is simply the way the game is laid out. And CCP has been making inroads over the years (adding in the newbie section and training missions, etc) which is slowly helping out the new pple. Making the slope a little easier on them would help more, and coming up with some form of fixes to help out spicing things up in 0.0 and low sec i think would be an even better step. |
Genna Illiad
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.07.22 16:41:00 -
[597] - Quote
Making High Sec totally safe would just result in another form of inflation.
Perhaps the only compromise one could make would be to make a slight adjustment at the upper end. Make 1.0 space safer, in that if you gank, there are much more serious consequences. Like maybe your Sec status drops by -5.0. And if your sec status is -5.0 or worse, you get insta-killed by Concord if you try to enter a 1.0 system, perhaps even podded.
Then ganks could still happen in 1.0, but they would be rare. And there isn't much 1.0 space out there, so it wouldn't change the rest of the universe all that much.
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1091
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Posted - 2012.07.22 17:13:00 -
[598] - Quote
Zyella Stormborn wrote:Corina Jarr wrote: This game is for a specific set of players. CCP knew this when they started. They shouldn't cater to another type of player, and risk losing the ones that kept them afloat (and thrived, for as few as they have).
Actually I see the words 'sand box', and something for everyone, thrown around a lot. (not picking a particular side, but I must have missed the post where CCP said they only cater to a tiny market and arent interested in growth). Sorry, I wasn't clear...
The "specific set of players" is hopefully a rather large set, that being ones who know they will get shot at and make changes to lessen the chance or effect of it. IE, adapters.
The players they should not cater to are the ones who want CCP to make the changes that are already available to the players, so that they can do whatever in peace.
And EVE is not a sandbox... there are some rules. As much as people like to claim it, a true sandbox cannot exist as a multiplayer game (well, maybe minecraft...). Its self destructive.
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Sorceror Majiir
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.07.22 18:16:00 -
[599] - Quote
Daemon:
"And who's fault is that? If the majority of people hide in highsec and are unwilling to at least learn to live in a bit more hostile prone environment" Pure speculation, people enjoy different forms of game play, not everyone wants to play the same way you do. As a business I suspect Eve would like to retain as many of all types of players as possible. It's not all about you and your wants.
"and you get a lot of players that are new to EVE's style of play that get frustrated, with a large % of them leaving."
Absolutely
"Agreed on the learning curve, but stats or gtfo on the "leaving" part. "
Here's a stat, in my gaming family, 5 of us play games online. All of us tried Eve. Only I have stayed in Eve, the rest quit due to excessive perps using exploits and ganks in game. So that's an 80% revenue loss from our family. Factor in I had 9 accounts and now play 1, there's a lot more revenue loss for ya.
"(Just my opinion of course) They need to make Low Sec more desireable, both in minerals, and reasons to pvp there (losing faction is not a great reason to want to jump in). This would give more high sec players reasons to 'jump into the pool' as it were, and start enjoying the deeper waters."
Absolutely
"Call me silly, but I doubt many miners would jump into lowsec even if they put Arkonor in every belt."
Lol that's because you kill newbie miners mostly, prolly never even seen an ark roid. I can guarantee you if Ark was in every belt.. It wouldn't be lone miners in LS, it would be corps with combat support and massive mining ops. By the way, I mine LS all the time.. no probs at all, just need to use a little common sense. Several guides online can give you the best methods to do that.
- Majiir
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1091
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Posted - 2012.07.22 18:17:00 -
[600] - Quote
Sorceror Majiir wrote:... "Agreed on the learning curve, but stats or gtfo on the "leaving" part. "
Here's a stat, in my gaming family, 5 of us play games online. All of us tried Eve. Only I have stayed in Eve, the rest quit due to excessive perps using exploits and ganks in game. So that's an 80% revenue loss from our family. Factor in I had 9 accounts and now play 1, there's a lot more revenue loss for ya....
Using Exploits is breach of the EULA and is bannable.
Unless you mean, they just didn't like what was being done, in which case, tough. |
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Sorceror Majiir
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.07.22 18:28:00 -
[601] - Quote
Corina:
The use of exploits is common, case in point, the ole drop crap loads of cans around a gate is an exploit when you reach a certain # of cans. YET, the only way the gankers gets caught is if, WHILE THE CANS ARE DEPLOYED, a GM sees them. Screens don't count.. CCP refuses to accept player screenshots.. So while there are a lot of bannable things, the reality is, some are unenforceable due to the need of GM's to be present to see them.
- Majiir |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1091
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Posted - 2012.07.22 18:33:00 -
[602] - Quote
Sorceror Majiir wrote:Corina:
The use of exploits is common, case in point, the ole drop crap loads of cans around a gate is an exploit when you reach a certain # of cans. YET, the only way the gankers gets caught is if, WHILE THE CANS ARE DEPLOYED, a GM sees them. Screens don't count.. CCP refuses to accept player screenshots.. So while there are a lot of bannable things, the reality is, some are unenforceable due to the need of GM's to be present to see them.
- Majiir Wrong. It is only an exploit if it causes lag.
You can have 2 billion cans if it doesn't cause lag (can cloud of doom). Not going to happen, but if it did, there would be no problem.
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Zyella Stormborn
Alpha Strategy In Umbra Mortis
26
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Posted - 2012.07.22 18:49:00 -
[603] - Quote
Corina Jarr wrote:Zyella Stormborn wrote:Corina Jarr wrote: This game is for a specific set of players. CCP knew this when they started. They shouldn't cater to another type of player, and risk losing the ones that kept them afloat (and thrived, for as few as they have).
Actually I see the words 'sand box', and something for everyone, thrown around a lot. (not picking a particular side, but I must have missed the post where CCP said they only cater to a tiny market and arent interested in growth). Sorry, I wasn't clear... The "specific set of players" is hopefully a rather large set, that being ones who know they will get shot at and make changes to lessen the chance or effect of it. IE, adapters. The players they should not cater to are the ones who want CCP to make the changes that are already available to the players, so that they can do whatever in peace. And EVE is not a sandbox... there are some rules. As much as people like to claim it, a true sandbox cannot exist as a multiplayer game (well, maybe minecraft...). Its self destructive.
You are correct, I misread what your meaning was. I understand (and agree) now. |
Sorceror Majiir
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.07.22 18:50:00 -
[604] - Quote
"This game is for a specific set of players. CCP knew this when they started. They shouldn't cater to another type of player, and risk losing the ones that kept them afloat (and thrived, for as few as they have)."
hahaha, complete hogwash. having played Eve from the beginning, I assure you it's been the constant "whine" of gankers wanting a free lunch that has driven much of what you see today in HS. There was a time when you simply insta popped due to massive fire, trying to attack someone in HS. Couldn't be done. But oh no, poor gankers simply had to have something easy to kill, can't afford the loses because they wont spend time generating income, and have little interest in trying to promote the game to new players.
"The "specific set of players" is hopefully a rather large set, that being ones who know they will get shot at and make changes to lessen the chance or effect of it. IE, adapters."
Say what?? Please tell me your not involved in business anywhere, if so tell me the company so i can short their stock.
"The players they should not cater to are the ones who want CCP to make the changes that are already available to the players, so that they can do whatever in peace."
Uhh, CCP has done nothing but change the game from the beginning, both for the peacenics and the perps. Case in point - Used to be you had to fly to gates from 15km out.. mucho ganking occurred, players BM'd insta warps 15km behind the gates so they could land on them, and CCP changed to warp 0, introduced the warp bubble, etc etc.
- Majiir |
Sorceror Majiir
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.07.22 20:14:00 -
[605] - Quote
Corina: "Wrong. It is only an exploit if it causes lag.
You can have 2 billion cans if it doesn't cause lag (can cloud of doom). Not going to happen, but if it did, there would be no problem."
Well not true. A lot of folks think its just a lag issue since that's clear in the EULA. But, it's not just that. There are a lot of posts on this topic, but from the current open ticket I have on this issue, the GM response has been, to paraphrase "we know it's an exploit, but cannot do anything unless we see it". Can't show you the log sorry. However, if you would like to verify for yourself; Drop about 100 cans or so in a spherical pattern around a low sec gate, kick back, blast guys who decloak or bounce, and chat with the GM when he arrives.
- Majiir |
Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
81
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Posted - 2012.07.22 20:50:00 -
[606] - Quote
Sorceror Majiir wrote:hahaha, complete hogwash. having played Eve from the beginning, I assure you it's been the constant "whine" of gankers wanting a free lunch that has driven much of what you see today in HS. There was a time when you simply insta popped due to massive fire, trying to attack someone in HS. Couldn't be done. But oh no, poor gankers simply had to have something easy to kill, can't afford the loses because they wont spend time generating income, and have little interest in trying to promote the game to new players.- Majiir
Are you saying that you used to not be able to kill someone in high security space? That you'd be killed before you could kill them?
Forgive me asking for you to clarify this specific point, but your inability to properly quote is a bit confusing. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1096
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Posted - 2012.07.22 20:51:00 -
[607] - Quote
Sorceror Majiir wrote:Corina: "Wrong. It is only an exploit if it causes lag.
You can have 2 billion cans if it doesn't cause lag (can cloud of doom). Not going to happen, but if it did, there would be no problem."
Well not true. A lot of folks think its just a lag issue since that's clear in the EULA. But, it's not just that. There are a lot of posts on this topic, but from the current open ticket I have on this issue, the GM response has been, to paraphrase "we know it's an exploit, but cannot do anything unless we see it". Can't show you the log sorry. However, if you would like to verify for yourself; Drop about 100 cans or so in a spherical pattern around a low sec gate, kick back, blast guys who decloak or bounce, and chat with the GM when he arrives.
- Majiir There has been plenty of GM discussions on this, even on the forums. It is ONLY an exploit if it causes lag.
Otherwise it is a legitimate decloaking tactic.
Can't comment on the bumping, because I've never seen it, nor know exactly what you are referring to. |
Pipa Porto
467
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Posted - 2012.07.23 13:31:00 -
[608] - Quote
Sorceror Majiir wrote:Astro: Fair enough, I don't know the subscriber base numbers for Eve, nor how many they have lost over the years, nor how many are multiples from the same people.
http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/Subs-2.png
Here you go. EVE's the Blue Line.
It's currently the Third Largest Paid Western MMO by Subscriptions (no MMO tries to publicly track the number of players). 5th Largest including Runescape and SL, which are FTP. They're also pretty much the only MMO around that doesn't have the massive spike followed by a crash trend line (I'd say that means their growth is anything but crippled).
Anyway, there is no aspect in EVE that does not put you in competition with other players. That's PVP. If you don't like spaceships shooting each other, that's fine, you can mitigate the direct effects it has on you.
If you like manufacturing, the only reason there's a significant market for whatever you're making is that people are blowing ships up. If you like running missions, the only reason there's a significant market for whatever you're cashing your LP for is that people are blowing shiny ships up. And so on.
EVE's not moving towards a violent funhouse, it started out as one. If anything, it is getting safer and safer for people in HS all the time (Right now, CCP's considering a measure that will cause a 5-8fold increase in the cost to gank Freighters and that was originally going to allow Logis to rep without being shootable in certain situations). EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
Pipa Porto
467
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Posted - 2012.07.23 13:35:00 -
[609] - Quote
Sorceror Majiir wrote: There was a time when you simply insta popped due to massive fire, trying to attack someone in HS. Couldn't be done. But oh no, poor gankers simply had to have something easy to kill, can't afford the loses because they wont spend time generating income, and have little interest in trying to promote the game to new players.
No, there wasn't. You're confusing EVE with some other game.
There was, on the other hand, a time when you could Tank CONCORD (look up the Yulai incident with Zombies).
HS has never been safe. It's just got its own mechanics for combat that you have to deal with and plan for. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1097
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Posted - 2012.07.23 14:47:00 -
[610] - Quote
SWG has finally died? |
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CorInaXeraL
Order of the Silver Dragons Silver Dragonz
58
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Posted - 2012.07.23 15:21:00 -
[611] - Quote
Corina Jarr wrote:SWG has finally died?
Didn't it shut down 15 Dec 2011? |
Zyella Stormborn
Alpha Strategy In Umbra Mortis
30
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Posted - 2012.07.23 18:17:00 -
[612] - Quote
Ah, Dark Age of Camelot. That was my favorite game for the longest time. I miss my Nightshade and Cabalist. ;P |
Pipa Porto
469
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Posted - 2012.07.23 21:25:00 -
[613] - Quote
Corina Jarr wrote:SWG has finally died?
Yep. From what I hear, people complained about the risk of losing their stuff to unexpected PVP, so they removed that. Then people complained about losing their stuff in expected PVP, so they removed that. You could ram your ship into other ships over and over and your ship would just respawn. Then it died. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
Ra Jackson
PILSGESCHWADER Monkey Circus
18
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Posted - 2012.07.23 22:12:00 -
[614] - Quote
Sorceror Majiir wrote:Corina: "Wrong. It is only an exploit if it causes lag.
You can have 2 billion cans if it doesn't cause lag (can cloud of doom). Not going to happen, but if it did, there would be no problem."
Well not true. A lot of folks think its just a lag issue since that's clear in the EULA. But, it's not just that. There are a lot of posts on this topic, but from the current open ticket I have on this issue, the GM response has been, to paraphrase "we know it's an exploit, but cannot do anything unless we see it".
Well, they want to see the gate to check if it's lagging or not. Isn't that obvious? And only then is it handled as an exploit. And stop telling that "bumping" tale. That's getting ridiculous. |
Amy Tian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.07.24 06:10:00 -
[615] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.
MAKE FRIENDS GO TO NULLSEC!!!
Seriously though, nullsec/whs have the ability of being much safer. You just need to pick the right space with the right people, there are plenty of indy corps part of Sov alliances that would probably take you in, and possibly even reimburse you for losses. Lose less ships and mine better roids?
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Sorceror Majiir
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.07.24 07:11:00 -
[616] - Quote
Pipa: The graph your showing comes from MMOdata.net. What your not showing is the next graph up.. the 1m-12m subscriber graph. Eve would be below the first semi axis mark around 361k subscribers on this graph.
1m-12m subs
What I mentioned earlier somewhere is that Eve has not grown instep with the overall market. What I'm suggesting is that one of the reasons is linked to loss of subscribers, with a one cause of that being ganking.
To all the wanna be economists: I'm pretty sure no one in this thread has actually modelled the Eve economy. I'm willing to bet their own staff economist is scratching his/her head most of the time. Personally, I really don't see a problem with low materials cost, lower ships cost, etc.. it just means bigger ships will be flown because the material are cheap and readily available to manufacturers. What I DO see as a problem is ganks in HS - and by gank I mean a non consensual pvp. Forgetting about all the dogma about how good it is for the game, what I'm suggesting is your running people off. Many of you argue this is a good thing... which is complete nonsense imo.
For any aspiring economist / psychologist working on affects of emotional utility and aggression in a gaming environment.. there's a great thesis here.
Astro: get over yourself
Danks: yeah that's what I said.
- Majiir
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Pipa Porto
474
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Posted - 2012.07.24 07:26:00 -
[617] - Quote
Sorceror Majiir wrote:Pipa: The graph your showing comes from MMOdata.net. What your not showing is the next graph up.. the 1m-12m subscriber graph. Eve would be below the first semi axis mark around 361k subscribers on this graph. 1m-12m subsWhat I mentioned earlier somewhere is that Eve has not grown instep with the overall market. What I'm suggesting is that one of the reasons is linked to loss of subscribers, with a one cause of that being ganking.
You're not great at reading graphs, are you?
Count the number of MMOs who are still alive on that 1-12m graph.
There's WOW, Aion (a Korean MMO, so not Western), SWOTOR, and Runescape (a FTP).
Above EVE on the 100k -1m graph is Second Life (a FTP).
WOW and SWOTOR have enormous companies backing them. Blizzard's the Jesus of Game companies, and the worlds largest multimedia franchise is behind SWOTOR. Aion's the top Korean MMO. They're all outliers (the clue is that they're an order of magnitude bigger than most other MMOs).
That puts EVE at 3rd largest Paid Western, 4th Largest Paid Worldwide, and 6th Largest MMO including FTP.
EVE's also unique in that it doesn't have the spike and fall graph that so many other MMOs have, including SWOTOR, Aion, and WOW. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
Ra Jackson
PILSGESCHWADER Monkey Circus
18
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Posted - 2012.07.24 07:59:00 -
[618] - Quote
Sorceror Majiir wrote: What I mentioned earlier somewhere is that Eve has not grown instep with the overall market. What I'm suggesting is that one of the reasons is linked to loss of subscribers, with a one cause of that being ganking.
Eve is the only MMO still growing subscriber numbers (after over 9 years) so wtf are you talking about? |
Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
82
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Posted - 2012.07.24 16:35:00 -
[619] - Quote
Sorceror Majiir wrote:
Danks: yeah that's what I said.
- Majiir
If you are referring to this:
Danks wrote: Are you saying that you used to not be able to kill someone in high security space? That you'd be killed before you could kill them?
Forgive me asking for you to clarify this specific point, but your inability to properly quote is a bit confusing.
You are incorrect. You've always been able to kill someone in High Sec, it's actually harder today than it used to be. Buffing of gate guns and making Concord untankable are two examples of this.
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Sorceror Majiir
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.07.24 19:11:00 -
[620] - Quote
Danks: No actually I'm right. I know for a fact because we tried. We (the corp) we're experimenting with ganks in high sec, mostly to see if you could run from Concord at the time. Insta pop.. no damage to target, every single time. So we moved off to more lucrative targets, this was way before bubbles, back when you had to fly to gate etc - yeah I was on the dark side for many years early in the game. Seems I even recall Celestial Horizon, though at the time we warred with Celestial Apoc. in Vale and Geminate. Now I'm a born again evangelist for new players and anti ganking.
- Majiir |
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Pipa Porto
478
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Posted - 2012.07.24 19:16:00 -
[621] - Quote
Sorceror Majiir wrote:Danks: No actually I'm right. I know for a fact because we tried. We (the corp) we're experimenting with ganks in high sec, mostly to see if you could run from Concord at the time. Insta pop.. no damage to target, every single time. So we moved off to more lucrative targets, this was way before bubbles, back when you had to fly to gate etc - yeah I was on the dark side for many years early in the game. Seems I even recall Celestial Horizon, though at the time we warred with Celestial Apoc. in Vale and Geminate. Now I'm a born again evangelist for new players and anti ganking.
- Majiir
Then you were Hilariously bad at the game. Ganking people in HS has always been possible. Before CONCORD became untankable, it just wasn't a suicide gank, because there wasn't a Suicide.
Look up the Yulai incident. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone |
Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
82
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Posted - 2012.07.24 19:21:00 -
[622] - Quote
Sorceror Majiir wrote:Danks: No actually I'm right. I know for a fact because we tried. We (the corp) we're experimenting with ganks in high sec, mostly to see if you could run from Concord at the time. Insta pop.. no damage to target, every single time. So we moved off to more lucrative targets, this was way before bubbles, back when you had to fly to gate etc - yeah I was on the dark side for many years early in the game. Seems I even recall Celestial Horizon, though at the time we warred with Celestial Apoc. in Vale and Geminate. Now I'm a born again evangelist for new players and anti ganking.
- Majiir
Wow, not sure what game you've been playing. Suicide ganks have always been a part of high sec. When I started back in 2004 it was Kestrels loaded with cruise missles killing badgers.
I would suggest learning how to play the game as well as the history if you want to be taken seriously. |
Sorceror Majiir
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.07.24 19:25:00 -
[623] - Quote
Danks: My game start was 2003.5.10
- Majiir |
Astroniomix
Thorn Project Black Thorne Alliance
105
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Posted - 2012.07.24 19:53:00 -
[624] - Quote
Sorceror Majiir wrote:Danks: My game start was 2003.5.10
- Majiir Post with your main. Until that time, you are lying through your teeth. (or keyboard in this case) |
Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
82
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Posted - 2012.07.24 20:26:00 -
[625] - Quote
Sorceror Majiir wrote:Danks: My game start was 2003.5.10
- Majiir
Back when you could tank Concord. You're either and idiot or a Troll. I'm guessing Troll, and I bit hard. Good job dude. |
Zyella Stormborn
Alpha Strategy In Umbra Mortis
30
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Posted - 2012.07.24 21:21:00 -
[626] - Quote
Hate to get in the middle of a pissing contest, but I also have been off and on the game since 2004. I do not remember all the details, but I do remember distinctly ganking us carebears being MUCH easier back then. It was almost abusive, lol. Now at least they have a chance to get away. I also remember when a corp held of Concord for a few hours while they killed just about every thing that came through one of the gates (myself included at the time, in my Badger MkII). Not sure, but that may be the "Yulai incident" mentioned above. Its been too long to remember details. |
Sorceror Majiir
EVE Arena Systems Inc.
4
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Posted - 2012.07.24 21:32:00 -
[627] - Quote
Guys: Just relating my experience from way back, believe, don't believe, as you like. I don't recall how long it lasted, but I distinctly remember trying to gank miners in HS belts, using several different ship types, and getting insta popped over and over.. corp couldn't do it either, so we trotted off to low sec, then out to null sec. CCP has constantly changed stuff so maybe this was pre what you guys remember, dunno.. Just sayin, this is what happened. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
603
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Posted - 2012.08.06 13:34:00 -
[628] - Quote
I necro'z you'ze!!
HA-HA!!
E:
Is it to be being URP-SPLOSION TYME naow, pls? Meta-gaming for carebears:
Whine on the forums like a little ***** until CCP gets sick of you and hands you everything you ask for just to shut you up. |
Ingen Ruaidh
Northwest Industries International Technical Exploration Conglomerate of Hemera
0
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Posted - 2012.08.06 18:40:00 -
[629] - Quote
Why do people play a MMORPG with the sole intention of grinding isk to afford PLEX? Hulkageddon is the best thing that ever happened to EVE. |
Sarik Olecar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
65
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Posted - 2012.08.06 19:32:00 -
[630] - Quote
Ingen Ruaidh wrote:Why do people play a MMORPG with the sole intention of grinding isk to afford PLEX? Hulkageddon is the best thing that ever happened to EVE.
Now Helicity, alt postings bad mmmkay... |
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Chimpy B
The Philosophy Of Two
1
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Posted - 2012.08.06 21:34:00 -
[631] - Quote
To the OP, I genuinely feel for you. I'd just say:
1. Once you leave empire, basically assume everyone who isn't green or blue is out to get you.
2. Once you leave empire, you're ship will get blown up - it's just a question of when. 2b. It will probably be when you least expect it and have got complacent.
3. Gankers have set up their ships with the sole purpose of blowing you up with little risk to themselves.
4. If you can't write it off and get another easily, don't fly it out of empire. |
Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
216
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Posted - 2012.08.07 05:18:00 -
[632] - Quote
One time I lost 1.6B after getting my T1 industrial popped outside Jita. That represented 50% of my wealth.
I felt bad, as you usually do after losing something. Then I realised I was playing an MMO and lost nothing at all, and kept on playing. These setbacks are what makes Eve much more interesting than most MMOs out there. |
Idris Helion
University of Caille Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.08.07 17:06:00 -
[633] - Quote
EVE is a griefer's paradise. You've got to understand that, or you won't last long. Treachery, scamming, betrayal, lying, cheating, stealing...all are rewarded in EVE. No one trusts anyone but a personal alt, and sometimes not even then. The only way to play in a group you can trust is to have multiple accounts and play them all yourself.
Yet for all that it's nothing personal. After the trauma of losing your first expensive ship and feeling the helpless rage of being unable to respond, it's hard to get over it and continue on. You feel like tens and maybe hundreds of hours of grinding ISK in mining and missions has just exploded right along with your ship.
What you need to remember, though, is that EVE only works if ships explode. A lot. The entire game economy is based on the idea that ships get blowed up. The guy who just ganked your hauler has probably had his ass handed to him more than a few times. It's all part playing EVE. I've lost way more fights than I've won, mostly because I can't be bothered to train up in PVP skills. I'm a mission-runner, a miner, and an industrialist; the occasional lost ship is just part of the cost of doing business. It's nothing personal.
If you just lost a Hulk to the Goons, just thinK how bad an alliance out in nullsec feels when they lose a Titan! My loss may take a week or two to make good; that downed Titan may take months of time and tens of billions of ISK to replace. From the player perspective, the lost Titan is a tragedy of epic proportions -- but in the context of the game, it was almost inevitable. A weapon unused is a useless weapon, and every use of your ship carries with it a risk of loss.
Also, don't forget that even in a low-trust environment like EVE, there are lots of good and helpful folk around. Eve University, Red vs Blue, Chribba, and just random kind folks can be found all over. (Like that solo miner near Amarr who fleeted me and gave me a nice boost without asking for any payment at all. Thanks!)
I've found that I learn more from losing ships than winning fights. My wins are often a case of luck, or being way stronger than my opponent. But when I lose, I often gain valuable insight on how to properly fit my ship in the future, better routes to use, and better ways to use my scanners and other means of "situational awareness" (like scouts).
Being "good" at EVE doesn't mean that you win all your fights. Nobody wins all their fights. Being "good", in the end, means surviving and having enough ISK to buy more ships.
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Ash Stewart
The Tenori Tigers Zombie Ninja Space Bears
7
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Posted - 2012.08.08 12:01:00 -
[634] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:[quote=Jeremy Firewind]
I was so mad, I was determined to get back in my Osprey as soon as possible. And I had to mission to do it, again, not mine.
And THAT'S the difference! If you're a player, that's what you should do.
Ask yourself, why do you play this game? The minute you quit, is the minute you've lost.............. and more fool you to be honest.
I play Eve for the challenge. If I lost all my stuff.... then.. it's a challenge to pick myself up from it. Have contingency plans to minimize losses, etc etc etc.
Eve is one of the most realistic games out there as it mirrors real life. And that's one reason why I like it.
.................It's the eye of the tiger, it's the thrill of the fight Risin' up to the challenge of our rival And the last known survivor stalks his prey in the night And he's watchin' us all with the eye of the tiger............... |
RazorDreamz
Infestation Inc
2
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Posted - 2012.08.08 12:47:00 -
[635] - Quote
Ahh nothing like the taste of tears early in the morning. |
Zicon Shak'ra
Vacuo Anomalia
33
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Posted - 2012.08.08 16:54:00 -
[636] - Quote
This thread will never die. Wormholes are cool, m'kay? |
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