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Kaerik
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Posted - 2009.04.07 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Asuka Smith
Originally by: Kaerik
Originally by: Asuka Smith
Marriage is a Catholic tradition and institution, civil unions have the same tax law and every other kind of law.
Why do non-Catholics get married then? You know, in a church with all the ritual and everything. Please don't tell me that every married person is a Catholic.
Which religion? If you say one that is not a God of Abraham religion then you have a point, otherwise you just caught me using catholic as an analogue for "God of Abraham-based faith organization"
My point was not that the people getting married are of some other faith, it's that many are of no faith at all. I would happily bet that the majority of married couples aren't religious in the slightest (In the UK)
So why are these people who have no faith in any religion getting married?
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Biolaja Tista
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2009.04.07 00:17:00 -
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Edited by: Biolaja Tista on 07/04/2009 00:23:17
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Biolaja Tista
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2009.04.07 00:19:00 -
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Edited by: Biolaja Tista on 07/04/2009 00:22:47 double post _________________
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Sera Ryskin
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Posted - 2009.04.07 00:33:00 -
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Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 07/04/2009 00:35:35
Originally by: Asuka Smith Well marriage is a religious institution and the only reason that gays are not happy with the completely equal in the eyes of the law title of "civil union" is because they have a grudge with churches.
"Separate but equal" wasn't ok in the case of racial discrimination, and it isn't ok here either.
Quote: They want to go into a church that they know hates them and spit in the preachers face and make him perform the ceremony. You disgust me Sera, I was using marriage as another word for "family unit", but you are using it in the subversive sense. You want to attack religion, and even as a non-religious person I find that abominable. Go found the church of homosexuality and make up your own word, call it "Garriage" for all I care.
Sorry, but you're an idiot. Last time I checked, you can get the exact same marriage contract as any religious ceremony provides (including the title "marriage") with a simple 15 minute stop at your local courthouse. Well, as long as you're one man and one woman, that is.
So please refrain from posting absurd strawmen of my position. YOU are the only one talking about forcing preachers to perform the ceremony.
Quote: Marriage is a Catholic tradition and institution, civil unions have the same tax law and every other kind of law.
Bull****. Marriage has been around much longer than the Catholic church, as well as in societies that never heard of some random zombie death cult.
Quote: EDIT: As for glacial social change, in some cases change can be quick. But in the case of child rearing it takes at least 10-25 years to get any meaninful results from the tests. In White/Black marriage you could easily tell after 1-2 years whether or not it was corrupting society or whatever they were afraid of back then.
Sorry, but no. If it takes 10-25 years to determine if having two men for parents will screw up a child, it takes just as long to determine if having parents of two different races will screw up a child. Stop dodging the issue here.
Quote: I suppose that you think medical science "takes too long" and you will take whatever snake oil someone gives you because you have cancer and who gives a **** if it gives you another type of cancer or cures you, you want a pill to take goddamnit and a pill it will be!
Hint to the clueless: medical science involves factual questions of whether something works or not. Social changes do not. Please learn the difference. ==========
Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
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Cpt Gobla
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Posted - 2009.04.07 00:50:00 -
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Originally by: Asuka Smith Edited by: Asuka Smith on 05/04/2009 23:32:42
Originally by: Malcanis Waiting to see some actual evidence that it's worse for children to be raised by gay parents.
Meanwhile, plenty of heterosexual couple do an atrocious job of it. Really, the bar is set pretty low when you think about it.
See, I think a lot of people are reading my posts but not understanding. I am not saying that gay parents will be worse parents, I am saying that they will be DIFFERENT parents. Right now we have a society built on certain normalcies, and adjusting the formula is going to change the way society functions. I am not sure that I am comfortable revolutionizing the human psyche without any regard for the possible consequences. I think that studies should be done and we should carefully weigh the potential risks and benefits, and in my mind the most serious risk is that we wind up with a genetic manipulation based society because children are more often artificially created than not.
As for animals that are homosexual in nature, this to me is proof that homosexuality is a genetic deformity. Girls crave boys, and boys crave girls, it is how nature has designed our instincts so that we will procreate as opposed to NOT procreating. If homosexuality was normal or even prevalent in any species then that species would soon become extinct. This alone should be proof that it is not what nature intended and in fact some form of genetic mutation that does mistakenly assigns the boy loving genes to another boy, on mistake.
There have been TWO penguins, that is the only gay nature couple that I know of. I am sure you will provide more links but they are anomalies not norms, and the gay-rights crowd needs to understand that. I know that this is going to raise some hackles but I hope that you can read through this and see my concern as more humanity-based rather than bigotry against some particular group for no reason. I advocate equal rights in ALL areas besides procreation.
EDIT: And any man of science will support me in my call for research on the subject, however nearly every gay that I know is deathly afraid of any research into homosexuality being genetic and thus proving it is a deformity rather than a "personal choice". I think it can be either as the human mind is much stronger than our instincts in some cases, particularly in the case of love, but I think that genetics are likely the driving force. And as a result of this fear from the gay community, and the ignorance of the religious right-wing, no research has been done and none likely will be done. It will remain purely political which is pretty stupid if you ask me.
Please explain exactly how you know what nature 'intended'.
You say homosexuality is a genetic deformity. Another cool word for genetic deformity is evolution.
You see, humans are actually nothing more then genetically deformed apes. Who again are nothing more then genetically deformed monkeys. Who are nothing more then genetically deformed rodents etc.
And I'm pretty sure that evolution is exactly what nature 'intended'. Now whether or not homosexuality is a successful form of evolution remains to be seen ( going by your assumption that homosexuality is a genetic deformity. ) But it most certainly is what nature 'intended'.
If it wasn't then most surely it wouldn't happen to kids gained the old fashion way and it would only happen to children conceived in test tubes who've had their DNA altered.
So your argument that homosexuality is not what nature intended is completely void. If it wasn't what nature intended then it wouldn't happen in nature, not even on a small scale.
ps. You might want to look into bonobos. They're a chimpanzee like species that's entirely made up of bisexual apes. And if it wasn't for human poachers the species would be doing quite well indeed. They've got no trouble procreating at all even though their males regularly have sex with other males.
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.04.07 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: Asuka Smith Well marriage is a religious institution and the only reason that gays are not happy with the completely equal in the eyes of the law title of "civil union" is because they have a grudge with churches.
Marriage almost certainly evolved from a social institution aimed at keeping the transfer of property organized and based on the concept of lineal inheritance. Numerous historical examples from Classic European civilizations like pagan Rome to certain modern cultures do not identify an inherent religious component in marriage. In the United States an official from a recognized religion can perform a marriage ceremony, but the marriage certificate is issued by the state.
But what I really want to comment on is this:
Quote: Marriage is a Catholic tradition and institution, civil unions have the same tax law and every other kind of law.
Nowhere in the United States do civil unions have the same status as marriage, whether you're talking tax law or other benefits. They are not recognized federally and despite the full faith and credit clause of the US Constitution, civil unions (unlike marriages) do not have to be recognized by individual states other than the one that certified that union. The bit about federal recognition is particularly important, because it means that those in civil unions miss out on the 1000+ potentially available federal benefits that apply to actual marriages.
So at best, a civil union in one particular state might be a virtual mirror image of marriage from a legal standpoint, but only regarding state-related benefits. The federal benefits don't apply, and the couple is confined to that state if they want to keep the official recognition of being in a civil union (unless they move to one of the other handful of states that also allow it.)
The other legally recognized half-measures like domestic parternships and reciprocal beneficiary relationships have fewer benefits still than civil unions.
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Megan Maynard
Minmatar Out of Order Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.07 05:14:00 -
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Yeah it's pretty fun times in iowa atm.
Listened to a lady on the radio say that she cried for a day because of all the darkness in everyone's hearts. (Being gay.)
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Amitious Turkey
Gallente Ammo Tech Inc
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Posted - 2009.04.07 05:20:00 -
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There are reasons why gay marriage is a bad thing
(note, not hating the sinner, just the sin, we're all human, bad at heart and often easily deceived)
Ever think of why there is man and woman? That in and of itself...really...Gays are attempting to go against what is naturally meant to be. There is a standard outside of man's making that determines right and wrong...
I'm not homophobic to any degree. I just don't like it when people do things that aren't good for them. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) The writer of the article did not quote himself- Cortes |
Amitious Turkey
Gallente Ammo Tech Inc
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Posted - 2009.04.07 05:31:00 -
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Originally by: Hav0cide Edited by: Hav0cide on 06/04/2009 19:09:19
Originally by: Asuka Smith If homosexuality was normal or even prevalent in any species then that species would soon become extinct. This alone should be proof that it is not what nature intended and in fact some form of genetic mutation that does mistakenly assigns the boy loving genes to another boy, on mistake.
Id highly watch what you type. Homosexuality isnt normal? What about "If hetrosexuality was normal?" Any arguement or statement you give has exactly the same reversal arguement. An by the way, homosexulaity is normal to me. Its my life. So basicly your saying im not normal. What the hell is normal? (DO NOT REPLY SAYING THERES A NORMAL, this will only cause more issues)
EDIT: And any man of science will support me in my call for research on the subject, however nearly every gay that I know is deathly afraid of any research into homosexuality being genetic and thus proving it is a deformity rather than a "personal choice". I think it can be either as the human mind is much stronger than our instincts in some cases, particularly in the case of love, but I think that genetics are likely the driving force. And as a result of this fear from the gay community, and the ignorance of the religious right-wing, no research has been done and none likely will be done. It will remain purely political which is pretty stupid if you ask me.
Let me tell you something here. If I could be I would be straight, unfortunately my body does not get attracted to girls, I cant build love relationships with them and doubt I will ever. If it was my personal choice, Id be straight. Your opinion on this matter is just that. YOURS. Its not fact. Simply the 'gays' you know.
By all means people have your own opinions, and trust me I have my own to. Just dont expect people to sit by and watch you throw your opinions out there and not expect a reaction.
Alot of people in this world talk utter bull**** when it comes to homosexuality.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ1I_-MY_NY
Watch that video. Its very cleverly done but puts together the **** gay people go through and reverses it.
Edit: for spelling
Are "love" relationships even necessary? That mechanic for the attraction between men and women is meant to produce children. It serves no purpose if you are attracted to the same sex. You could always just be friends It fulfills the need for companionship just fine. You don't HAE to have that kind of a relationship, with a woman or otherwise.
And genetics show tendencies (if you want to go on the genetics point) . You always have a choice. Take alcoholics, for example. There IS a genetic tendency toward alcoholism. I have it. My mom has it (she's VERY partial to hard liquor). My grandfather had it. My grandfather was alcoholic for a time. Guess what, he stopped. My mom never was an alcoholic. She keeps the hard liquor out of the house except for special occasions. So, there is always a choice. Choose what you want, but don't say there's no choice.
There aren't only two choices (homo or hetero). There's a third; not going that road at all and sticking to friendship. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) The writer of the article did not quote himself- Cortes |
Amitious Turkey
Gallente Ammo Tech Inc
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Posted - 2009.04.07 05:40:00 -
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Originally by: K1K1R1K1 Edited by: K1K1R1K1 on 06/04/2009 19:03:40
Originally by: Asuka Smith
*snip*
You make an interesting argument. I disagree, and the reason I believe is the philosophy behind it. Personally I like to keep 3 things in mind:
1.) Look at it from more than 1 perspective (ie: the ones directly involved and maybe a few more). 2.) NOTHING in this world is black and white. NOTHING. 3.) Moderation. Most things can be overdone and become harmful in one way or another.
I respectfully disagree with your second point. No person is entirely black or white, but decisions can be. Most of us appeal to an outside standard of living at one point or another- this outside standard determines what is good or bad.
The rest was an interesting post. Personally, I don't like gay couples adopting kids (personal opinion)...but neither do I want the government determining whether gay couples adopt a kid. I'de rather let them have the kid. And, well, if they are caring, that is still better than a hetero couple who doesn't care- from a communiy well-being standpoint. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) The writer of the article did not quote himself- Cortes |
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Megan Maynard
Minmatar Out of Order Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.07 05:53:00 -
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Edited by: Megan Maynard on 07/04/2009 05:55:46
Originally by: Amitious Turkey
There are reasons why gay marriage is a bad thingShocked
(note, not hating the sinner, just the sin, we're all human, bad at heart and often easily deceived)
Ever think of why there is man and woman? That in and of itself...really...Gays are attempting to go against what is naturally meant to be. There is a standard outside of man's making that determines right and wrong...
I'm not homophobic to any degree. I just don't like it when people do things that aren't good for them.
EDIT: read post on the whole "natural" argument. But the question still stands, haven't seen a refutation I can understand yet. Expound, please?
No offense, no wait, offense intended here.
Your world view is WRONG. You are WRONG. Your religion is homophobic. And I can tell you right now you know a perfectly nice gay person and you don't even know it because your world view makes them scared to tell you.
Notice that word? Scared? It's what happens when someone is discriminated against.
They don't have EVIL in their hearts, they aren't evil, and YOU AREN'T RIGHT.
I can't wait for the day I can raise my kids in a society that basis their view of someone based on WHO THEY ARE, not what they are.
So yeah, stick your worldview and religion where it doesn't shine because tolerance is a 10 ton train you cannot stop buddy. WOOO WOOO.
~Proud Iowan
1st state to ban slavery 1st state to ban segregation 4th state to ban homophobic legislation. (Yeah i know california recalled their gay marriage.) Stop, hammer time. |
Megan Maynard
Minmatar Out of Order Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.07 06:01:00 -
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Edited by: Megan Maynard on 07/04/2009 06:05:33 Edited by: Megan Maynard on 07/04/2009 06:02:19
Originally by: Asuka Smith Sorry Sera, you did not read any of my posts but saw keywords and assumed arguments.
My argument of "against nature" is that nature has created a specific society. Humanity has come to be as it is by behaving as it has. If we start behaving differently that humanity/society will change. We do not know how it will change. It might be bad. It might be good.
Right now it is how it is because that is the only way it can be, if it could be different it would be. We now have the ability through technology and perserverance to do things never before possible, like let people who are incapable of having children wind up with them.
Do you not see the danger of doing something that should be impossible? I am not saying that nature has a plan or intends anything, I am saying that humans have achieved godlike technological power and as a result we can break any natural order that we please on a whim.
We can fly like a bird, we can swim like a whale, etc. We are gods unto this earth, and using that power frivolously is going to lead to us destroying ourselves in a poetic demonstration of hubris.
I think Dylan put it best:
"Come mothers and fathers Throughout the land And don't criticize What you can't understand Your sons and your daughters Are beyond your command Your old road is Rapidly agin'. Please get out of the new one If you can't lend your hand For the times they are a-changin'."
You are homophobic. I hope your kids are more accepting then you are.
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Bullageddon
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.07 06:14:00 -
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Originally by: Richest Mofo good luck with that. the local governments will just pass laws that the supreme court will be forced to follow. the courts dont make the laws, just upholds them.
Someone who doesn't understand how the law works.
Federal > State > Local
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Hav0cide
Caldari Bureau of Somnium Operations
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Posted - 2009.04.07 07:25:00 -
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Originally by: Amitious Turkey
And genetics show tendencies (if you want to go on the genetics point) . You always have a choice. Take alcoholics, for example. There IS a genetic tendency toward alcoholism. I have it. My mom has it (she's VERY partial to hard liquor). My grandfather had it. My grandfather was alcoholic for a time. Guess what, he stopped. My mom never was an alcoholic. She keeps the hard liquor out of the house except for special occasions. So, there is always a choice. Choose what you want, but don't say there's no choice.
There aren't only two choices (homo or hetero). There's a third; not going that road at all and sticking to friendship.
Indeed everyone has a choice, but trust me Ive tried liking girls, ive had girlfriends in the past..they never worked. I always was attracted to guys from an early age from as young as i remember. I didnt choose this.
I assure you that you wont understand this. Youve not gone through it. When you have then comment on my choices. Quite frankly i wont force myself to be straight just to be 'normal'. I wont ever be made to live a life that im not happy in, and i know im happy loving guys.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.04.07 07:29:00 -
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Originally by: Amitious Turkey
I'm not homophobic to any degree. I just don't like it when people do things that aren't good for them.
Ah, so it's the government's job to see that we don't do things that you think "aren't good for us"?
Here's an alternative viewpoint. You - and the governmment - should mind your own business.
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Thoma Katch
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.04.07 08:38:00 -
[106]
Well done Iowa. Hopefully one day people will learn to accept that sexual preferance is simply another variant within the human race along with eye colour and should not be used as a banner or scapegoat by those seeking political gain.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.04.07 08:45:00 -
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Originally by: Amitious Turkey
Originally by: Hav0cide Edited by: Hav0cide on 06/04/2009 19:09:19
Originally by: Asuka Smith If homosexuality was normal or even prevalent in any species then that species would soon become extinct. This alone should be proof that it is not what nature intended and in fact some form of genetic mutation that does mistakenly assigns the boy loving genes to another boy, on mistake.
Id highly watch what you type. Homosexuality isnt normal? What about "If hetrosexuality was normal?" Any arguement or statement you give has exactly the same reversal arguement. An by the way, homosexulaity is normal to me. Its my life. So basicly your saying im not normal. What the hell is normal? (DO NOT REPLY SAYING THERES A NORMAL, this will only cause more issues)
EDIT: And any man of science will support me in my call for research on the subject, however nearly every gay that I know is deathly afraid of any research into homosexuality being genetic and thus proving it is a deformity rather than a "personal choice". I think it can be either as the human mind is much stronger than our instincts in some cases, particularly in the case of love, but I think that genetics are likely the driving force. And as a result of this fear from the gay community, and the ignorance of the religious right-wing, no research has been done and none likely will be done. It will remain purely political which is pretty stupid if you ask me.
Let me tell you something here. If I could be I would be straight, unfortunately my body does not get attracted to girls, I cant build love relationships with them and doubt I will ever. If it was my personal choice, Id be straight. Your opinion on this matter is just that. YOURS. Its not fact. Simply the 'gays' you know.
By all means people have your own opinions, and trust me I have my own to. Just dont expect people to sit by and watch you throw your opinions out there and not expect a reaction.
Alot of people in this world talk utter bull**** when it comes to homosexuality.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ1I_-MY_NY
Watch that video. Its very cleverly done but puts together the **** gay people go through and reverses it.
Edit: for spelling
Are "love" relationships even necessary? That mechanic for the attraction between men and women is meant to produce children. It serves no purpose if you are attracted to the same sex. You could always just be friends It fulfills the need for companionship just fine. You don't HAE to have that kind of a relationship, with a woman or otherwise.
And genetics show tendencies (if you want to go on the genetics point) . You always have a choice. Take alcoholics, for example. There IS a genetic tendency toward alcoholism. I have it. My mom has it (she's VERY partial to hard liquor). My grandfather had it. My grandfather was alcoholic for a time. Guess what, he stopped. My mom never was an alcoholic. She keeps the hard liquor out of the house except for special occasions. So, there is always a choice. Choose what you want, but don't say there's no choice.
There aren't only two choices (homo or hetero). There's a third; not going that road at all and sticking to friendship.
So you're saying that you could make yourself be sexually attracted to a man?
OK well give it a try and get back to us with the results.
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Tallaran Kouros
Caldari Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.07 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis And genetics show tendencies (if you want to go on the genetics point) . You always have a choice.
I'm afraid that's not quite true.
There are such things are genetic tendencies, but there are also genetic absolutes.
Take a look at Huntington's Disease, for example.
There is protein that is coded by a particular genetic sequence made up of CAG repeats.
If CAG repeats less than 35 times then you will be healthy and safe, but if CAG repeats 36 times or more then the gene is faulty and the protein will not code correctly and you have a genetic destiny to develop Huntington's in later life and there is not a damn thing you can do about it.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.04.07 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: Tallaran Kouros
Originally by: Malcanis And genetics show tendencies (if you want to go on the genetics point) . You always have a choice.
I'm afraid that's not quite true.
There are such things are genetic tendencies, but there are also genetic absolutes.
Take a look at Huntington's Disease, for example.
There is protein that is coded by a particular genetic sequence made up of CAG repeats.
If CAG repeats less than 35 times then you will be healthy and safe, but if CAG repeats 36 times or more then the gene is faulty and the protein will not code correctly and you have a genetic destiny to develop Huntington's in later life and there is not a damn thing you can do about it.
I belive he was talking about human behavioural tendencies.
However there are also environmental issues that are implicated in homosexuality eg: having an older brother, high population density, etc.
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Corwain
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Posted - 2009.04.07 12:11:00 -
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Awesome! So when do my drugs get legalized? I'm not hurting anyone with them. -- Distortion| Distortion 2 Preview |
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Thoma Katch
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.04.07 12:13:00 -
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Edited by: Thoma Katch on 07/04/2009 12:14:48
Originally by: Corwain Awesome! So when do my drugs get legalized? I'm not hurting anyone with them.
Ah well I made a response to this then decided that it was pointless trying to reply constructively to a troll. Last reply I'm going to make to posters such as you.
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Alice'Dee
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Posted - 2009.04.07 12:36:00 -
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17 year old in Vermont speaks out on marriage equality
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.04.07 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Corwain Awesome! So when do my drugs get legalized? I'm not hurting anyone with them.
Good point, Hopefully they'll be next on the list of things that adults can make their own decision about, instead of being treated like children.
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Thoma Katch
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.04.07 12:46:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Alice'Dee 17 year old in Vermont speaks out on marriage equality
Nothing beats ignorance like an articulate speaker with a clear and well formed message.
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Megan Maynard
Minmatar Out of Order Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.07 14:05:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Thoma Katch
Originally by: Alice'Dee 17 year old in Vermont speaks out on marriage equality
Nothing beats ignorance like an articulate speaker with a clear and well formed message.
Best line, "I want people to not think that gay is a BAD thing." Stop, hammer time. |
Thoma Katch
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.04.07 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Megan Maynard
Originally by: Thoma Katch
Originally by: Alice'Dee 17 year old in Vermont speaks out on marriage equality
Nothing beats ignorance like an articulate speaker with a clear and well formed message.
Best line, "I want people to not think that gay is a BAD thing."
Homophobia like any phobia is self-perpetuating. By avioding what you fear you negate the possiblity of ever realising that your fears were irrational in the first place. No doubt its the fear of homosexuality that triggers the fight-or-flight response in homophobes. This causes them to either try and avoid any form of contact or resort to verbal abuse and/or physical violence.
Ideally we would be seeking to address the sources which teach this fear to people and I suspects its primarily from religious groups. Its somewhat ironic that these groups rely on protection from discrimination and their freedom of speech to actively encourage discrimination against homosexuals. Whats odd is that no other group has such freedom and that the religious seem to be operating under a different set of rules to everyone else.
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TimMc
Gallente Brutal Deliverance
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Posted - 2009.04.07 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Intense Thinker And soon the California Supreme Court will overturn prop 8 and the interwebs will be flooded with angry religious nut jobs and it will be funny
Meh I am religious and I don't give a crap. Not like it affects me anyway.
Atheist and religious nutjobs both annoy me to no end, just shut up everyone.
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.07 14:58:00 -
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Oh this thread just keeps getting better and better. I can almost picture some of these posters wearing their white hood and robe while sitting at their desk typing the next post.
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Thorliaron
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.04.07 17:59:00 -
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Land of the 'Free'. amiright?!
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Thorliaron
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.04.07 18:05:00 -
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Edited by: Thorliaron on 07/04/2009 18:08:19
Originally by: Amitious Turkey Edited by: Amitious Turkey on 07/04/2009 05:41:50 There are reasons why gay marriage is a bad thing
(note, not hating the sinner, just the sin, we're all human, bad at heart and often easily deceived)
Ever think of why there is man and woman? That in and of itself...really...Gays are attempting to go against what is naturally meant to be. There is a standard outside of man's making that determines right and wrong...
I'm not homophobic to any degree. I just don't like it when people do things that aren't good for them.
EDIT: read post on the whole "natural" argument. But the question still stands, haven't seen a refutation I can understand yet. Expound, please?
Can liking the same sex not also be a natural way for mother nature to curb human numbers?.
People act like homsexuality is something new?, the greeks where at it, the romans where at it.
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