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Vince Snetterton
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
95
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Posted - 2012.05.03 03:23:00 -
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Given that the silent majority of the game, namely high sec players, don't follow the forums, this thread is pointless. But I feel like Don Quixote tonight, and am indeed mad as hell.
CCP acknowledges through their own numbers that slightly over 70% of all players in game are high sec. Yet we have essentially one person, Kelduum from E-UNI who is ostensibly high sec, and E-UNI is actually migrating a lot of players to null sec.
In any case, since the the null sec zealots have realized the past couple years what a powerful meta-game tool the CSM is, they have done everything they can to control it and bend CCP to their will.
If high sec players want any control over their game, they have to become organized, and form a strong voting bloc. Consider:
There are 400,000 paid accounts on TQ. That is approx 1 million chars.
goons and test, the 2 largest alliances in the game, add up to 14,000 chars. That is 1.4 percent of the entire game base. Assume they all have 3 accounts. That makes it a whopping 4.2%, yet they with their control of the game and the direction of the game is far, far more than the demographics show.
If even 10% of high sec players were actually engaged in the political process, we could dominate the CSM, and start pushing back at all the attacks by the null sec zealot group in game and within CCP.
We need to stat organizing now, for the next CSM.
But who am I kidding. It won't happen. High sec players will just quit once all the changes coming down the pipe are implemented. Heck, I will likely have packed it in myself, rather than waste my time fighting lost battles in and out of game.
High sec players, consider this a warning for you: Organize now. The next CSM may be your last chance to save high sec in some playable format. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
727
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Posted - 2012.05.03 03:28:00 -
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Yup. Read Soundwaves little stinkbomb on "Inferno and Datacores" about moving T2 towards Low and Null (yes, another Goon ISK River like POCO's.
Me and 3 accounts are out of here after 2 1/2 years if that happens.
I'm with you bud. Sign me up.
Hell sign Thundring Herd up.
"Behold, as a wild ass in the desert, go I forth to my work." - Gurney Halleck |
Feyona
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
4
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Posted - 2012.05.03 03:28:00 -
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We are the 1%. |
Kehro Urgus
Aliastra Gallente Federation
313
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Posted - 2012.05.03 03:28:00 -
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All of New Eden should be high sec...
(rather than getting my flame suit I'm gonna go play Civilization)
*runs away*
Always forgive your enemies - nothing annoys them so much. -- Oscar Wilde
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Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2012.05.03 03:29:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:Given that the silent majority of the game, namely high sec players, don't follow the forums, this thread is pointless. But I feel like Don Quixote tonight, and am indeed mad as hell.
Mad? Im not mad, I merely have a demon, perched upon my shoulder who tells me of things you know not, oh the things he tells me that you SHOULD know, but I know not these things for I ignore his whisperings for he is evil and tells me things I should not know, things I wish not TO know. I tell him to shut up but he never listens to me. The whispering could drive one mad. Mad? Im not mad...
I was mad once then I listened to the soothing crooning of the voices in my head.
I'm a little tea pot, short and stout... this is my handle, SMASH THE TEA POT, IT'S EVIL! IT DOESN'T DESERVE TO LIVE DIE! DIE! DIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEE!-á "When a Malkavian speaks, listen. When a Malkavian acts, leave. When two Malkavians gather, run." Ah,Word Eater. I kne |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
727
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Posted - 2012.05.03 03:29:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Mad? Im not mad, I merely have a demon, perched upon my shoulder who tells me of things you know not, oh the things he tells me that you SHOULD know, but I know not these things for I ignore his whisperings for he is evil and tells me things I should not know, things I wish not TO know. I tell him to shut up but he never listens to me. The whispering could drive one mad. Mad? Im not mad...
I was mad once then I listened to the soothing crooning of the voices in my head.
So creative.......yet so dumb.
"Behold, as a wild ass in the desert, go I forth to my work." - Gurney Halleck |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2012.05.03 03:31:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Mad? Im not mad, I merely have a demon, perched upon my shoulder who tells me of things you know not, oh the things he tells me that you SHOULD know, but I know not these things for I ignore his whisperings for he is evil and tells me things I should not know, things I wish not TO know. I tell him to shut up but he never listens to me. The whispering could drive one mad. Mad? Im not mad...
I was mad once then I listened to the soothing crooning of the voices in my head.
So creative.......yet so dumb.
you say something? I'm a little tea pot, short and stout... this is my handle, SMASH THE TEA POT, IT'S EVIL! IT DOESN'T DESERVE TO LIVE DIE! DIE! DIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEE!-á "When a Malkavian speaks, listen. When a Malkavian acts, leave. When two Malkavians gather, run." Ah,Word Eater. I kne |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
120
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Posted - 2012.05.03 03:34:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Yup. Read Soundwaves little stinkbomb on "Inferno and Datacores" Page 7 in GD about moving T2 towards Low and Null (yes, another Goon ISK River like POCO's).
Love that btw, no conflict of interest there AT ALL
Its funny, I actually sat down and watched the TTH interview till the part where Soundwave was all but drooling over the possibility of destroying the T2 market and I came away with the feeling that he sounds a lot like a Goon.
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2012.05.03 03:35:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Yup. Read Soundwaves little stinkbomb on "Inferno and Datacores" Page 7 in GD about moving T2 towards Low and Null (yes, another Goon ISK River like POCO's). Love that btw, no conflict of interest there AT ALL Its funny, I actually sat down and watched the TTH interview till the part where Soundwave was all but drooling over the possibility of destroying the T2 market and I came away with the feeling that he sounds a lot like a Goon.
Tinfoil Aisle NINE!!!
((Is it bad when the guy RPing as a Malkavian calls you insane?)) I'm a little tea pot, short and stout... this is my handle, SMASH THE TEA POT, IT'S EVIL! IT DOESN'T DESERVE TO LIVE DIE! DIE! DIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEE!-á "When a Malkavian speaks, listen. When a Malkavian acts, leave. When two Malkavians gather, run." Ah,Word Eater. I kne |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
727
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Posted - 2012.05.03 03:37:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Yup. Read Soundwaves little stinkbomb on "Inferno and Datacores" Page 7 in GD about moving T2 towards Low and Null (yes, another Goon ISK River like POCO's). Love that btw, no conflict of interest there AT ALL Its funny, I actually sat down and watched the TTH interview till the part where Soundwave was all but drooling over the possibility of destroying the T2 market and I came away with the feeling that he sounds a lot like a Goon.
My Ally Leader and I have been discussing this for quite some time.
A covert GoonAltDevTeam steering game development this way for a few years. But it sounds so tinfoil hat it's almost embarrassing to bring up. That's a GREAT way for them to hide.
Dev PvP ?????
"Behold, as a wild ass in the desert, go I forth to my work." - Gurney Halleck |
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Vince Snetterton
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
98
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Posted - 2012.05.03 03:37:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Yup. Read Soundwaves little stinkbomb on "Inferno and Datacores" Page 7 in GD about moving T2 towards Low and Null (yes, another Goon ISK River like POCO's).
Me and 3 accounts are out of here after 2 1/2 years if that happens.
I'm with you bud. Sign me up.
Hell sign Thundering Herd up.
One of the few options I can envision is a meta-game high-sec alliance along the same lines as former Norther Coalition, but based mostly on passing information. One that has its own web site, where all spies and null zec zealots can be kept out. (not kept out, impossible, but their posts wiped out)
Information can be freely passed, and organization for a serious run at putting multiple candidates on the next CSM. 10% of high sec = 7% of all players, which is more that goons/test combined.
An ingame alliance is far too lush a target for the major power blocs.
But like I said, apathy would kill this. Most would rather quit the game than fight for it using the same meta-game tools the null sec power blocs do. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
727
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Posted - 2012.05.03 03:37:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Tinfoil Aisle NINE!!!
((Is it bad when the guy RPing as a Malkavian calls you insane?))
This we know. There's just no other way to discuss it.
Any BETTER ideas ???
"Behold, as a wild ass in the desert, go I forth to my work." - Gurney Halleck |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2012.05.03 03:40:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Tinfoil Aisle NINE!!!
((Is it bad when the guy RPing as a Malkavian calls you insane?))
This we know. There's just no other way to discuss it. Any BETTER ideas ???
Curl in a corner and Gibber?
OH OH I KNOW!!
Badminton!
holy crap I spelled it right I'm a little tea pot, short and stout... this is my handle, SMASH THE TEA POT, IT'S EVIL! IT DOESN'T DESERVE TO LIVE DIE! DIE! DIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEE!-á "When a Malkavian speaks, listen. When a Malkavian acts, leave. When two Malkavians gather, run." Ah,Word Eater. I kne |
Patrick Estemaire
EVE University Ivy League
10
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Posted - 2012.05.03 03:48:00 -
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I think most of the best leaders in EVE are going to gravitate towards more challenging situations, which generally speaking, isn't High Sec. You do have Kelduum however, which is a good thing, and while I don't know the process for contacting CSM members on game issues I'm confident that he would listen.
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Erica Virpio
Praetorian Angels IMPERIAL LEGI0N
0
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Posted - 2012.05.03 03:52:00 -
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It seems impossible to break goons control, but if you could manage to get a big enough carebear alliance going, more power to ya, i used to love high sec, but found the need to get mean, and stopping being nice. |
Vince Snetterton
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
100
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Posted - 2012.05.03 03:53:00 -
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Patrick Estemaire wrote:I think most of the best leaders in EVE are going to gravitate towards more challenging situations, which generally speaking, isn't High Sec. You do have Kelduum however, which is a good thing, and while I don't know the process for contacting CSM members on game issues I'm confident that he would listen.
I voted for Kelduum in the last CSM, because I felt he was the last chance for high sec to be heard. I know Kelduum, and he knows me. There is not much love lost between us, unfortunately.
Kelduum is a very political animal, and definitely does what is in the best interest of his goals and the UNI. Based on the UNI's current focus on playing in null, I doubt his thoughts are on high sec presently. |
Vince Snetterton
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
102
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Posted - 2012.05.03 03:59:00 -
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Erica Virpio wrote: It seems impossible to break goons control, but if you could manage to get a big enough carebear alliance going, more power to ya, i used to love high sec, but found the need to get mean, and stopping being nice.
I have come full circle. I started as most do in high sec, then moved out into low, then null, then a long tour of duty in wormholes, then null again, and now back to high sec.
Though the adrenaline rush of wh combat is so incredibly cool, and I loved the closeknit community in our wormhole group, I HATED the tedium of null sec CTA's, and the politics was the 2nd last nail in the coffin.
Changes in RL that limited my game time down to a paltry 15-25 hours a week was the final nail, and back to high sec I went. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.05.03 04:00:00 -
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Patrick Estemaire wrote:I think most of the best leaders in EVE are going to gravitate towards more challenging situations,
Erica Virpio wrote: It seems impossible to break goons control,
Yeah another game
Quote: but if you could manage to get a big enough carebear alliance going,
and they call me mad...
Carebear + PVP + Goons = rotting plushie innards and deceased rainbows
Quote: You do have Kelduum however, which is a good thing, and while I don't know the process for contacting CSM members on game issues I'm confident that he would listen.
yes YES!!! Buff High sec, ensure the next CSM voted in has ZERO chance of anyone from 0.0 voting for you.
CSM is a bad joke, Kneejerk reaction to drama that went wrong and is not festering in CCP's basement I'm a little tea pot, short and stout... this is my handle, SMASH THE TEA POT, IT'S EVIL! IT DOESN'T DESERVE TO LIVE DIE! DIE! DIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEE!-á "When a Malkavian speaks, listen. When a Malkavian acts, leave. When two Malkavians gather, run." Ah,Word Eater. I kne |
Shian Yang
38
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Posted - 2012.05.03 04:05:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:CCP acknowledges through their own numbers that slightly over 70% of all players in game are high sec.
Greetings capsuleer,
That is incorrect.
There are currently 70% of all pilots in high security systems. These may be capsuleers watching different market hubs or those flying trade routes to and from the secure to less secure systems or otherwise.
A better metric would be to discover where their handlers reside predominantly, but this information has not been released as of yet.
Regards,
Shian Yang |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.05.03 04:06:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Yup. Read Soundwaves little stinkbomb on "Inferno and Datacores" Page 7 in GD about moving T2 towards Low and Null (yes, another Goon ISK River like POCO's).
Me and 3 accounts are out of here after 2 1/2 years if that happens.
I'm with you bud. Sign me up.
Hell sign Thundering Herd up.
The THUNDERING HERD 2 dudes 15 alts ooooookaaaaaaay please form a big hisec coalition so that the null guys can wardec yall all at once |
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Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.05.03 04:07:00 -
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Shian Yang wrote:Vince Snetterton wrote:CCP acknowledges through their own numbers that slightly over 70% of all players in game are high sec. Greetings capsuleer, That is incorrect. There are currently 70% of all pilots in high security systems. These may be capsuleers watching different market hubs or those flying trade routes to and from the secure to less secure systems or otherwise. A better metric would be to discover where their handlers reside predominantly, but this information has not been released as of yet. Regards, Shian Yang
given that everyone seemingly has 2 personalities or more here at LEAST cut that in half I'm a little tea pot, short and stout... this is my handle, SMASH THE TEA POT, IT'S EVIL! IT DOESN'T DESERVE TO LIVE DIE! DIE! DIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEE!-á "When a Malkavian speaks, listen. When a Malkavian acts, leave. When two Malkavians gather, run." Ah,Word Eater. I kne |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
732
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Posted - 2012.05.03 04:12:00 -
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RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
The THUNDERING HERD 2 dudes 15 alts ooooookaaaaaaay please form a big hisec coalition so that the null guys can wardec yall all at once
Type stupid things, and all we see is stupid.
"Behold, as a wild ass in the desert, go I forth to my work." - Gurney Halleck |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1905
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Posted - 2012.05.03 04:26:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Yup. Read Soundwaves little stinkbomb on "Inferno and Datacores" Page 7 in GD about moving T2 towards Low and Null (yes, another Goon ISK River like POCO's). Love that btw, no conflict of interest there AT ALL Its funny, I actually sat down and watched the TTH interview till the part where Soundwave was all but drooling over the possibility of destroying the T2 market and I came away with the feeling that he sounds a lot like a Goon. Tinfoil Aisle NINE!!! ((Is it bad when the guy RPing as a Malkavian calls you insane?)) Insanity is not fun. However if you ever find yourself on the precipice of sanity and insanity, looking down into that great, gaping maw of madness that awaits below, get a running start and make as big a splash as you can. What? It doesnt matter f theres water or not, GO FOR THE BIGGEST SPLASH
Nothing tinfoil about it.
CCP Soundwave is indeed a goon. Ironically he's also the 'Lead' game designer.
http://youtu.be/j1sdTzj9iac
I'm sure there's a few more goon Devs employed at CCP but I'm not going to look right now. If I did look, I'd probably rage quit which would end up wasting my already paid subscription fee.
I agree with the OP but I believe it's too late now. The handwriting is on the wall. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.05.03 04:32:00 -
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Quote:We want to move T2 production more towards low and zero-sec. This gives us a very cool venue for FW to influence the rest of the universe instead of being a closed-loop system.
So its NOT a sandbox and IS a linear universe is what youre saying. Good to know. Sandbox is what I came to play, not Highsec is the starting area 0.0 is endgame.
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Yup. Read Soundwaves little stinkbomb on "Inferno and Datacores" Page 7 in GD about moving T2 towards Low and Null (yes, another Goon ISK River like POCO's). Love that btw, no conflict of interest there AT ALL Its funny, I actually sat down and watched the TTH interview till the part where Soundwave was all but drooling over the possibility of destroying the T2 market and I came away with the feeling that he sounds a lot like a Goon. Tinfoil Aisle NINE!!! ((Is it bad when the guy RPing as a Malkavian calls you insane?)) Insanity is not fun. However if you ever find yourself on the precipice of sanity and insanity, looking down into that great, gaping maw of madness that awaits below, get a running start and make as big a splash as you can. What? It doesnt matter f theres water or not, GO FOR THE BIGGEST SPLASH Nothing tinfoil about it. CCP Soundwave is indeed a goon. Ironically he's also the 'Lead' game designer. http://youtu.be/j1sdTzj9iacI'm sure there's a few more goon Devs employed at CCP but I'm not going to look right now. If I did look, I'd probably rage quit which would end up wasting my already paid subscription fee. I agree with the OP but I believe it's too late now. The handwriting is on the wall.
So.....
GOON Online.
Nice. You guys win. Game over. Now what game are you gonna wreck? I'm a little tea pot, short and stout... this is my handle, SMASH THE TEA POT, IT'S EVIL! IT DOESN'T DESERVE TO LIVE DIE! DIE! DIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEE!-á "When a Malkavian speaks, listen. When a Malkavian acts, leave. When two Malkavians gather, run." Ah,Word Eater. I kne |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
158
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Posted - 2012.05.03 04:33:00 -
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I like how they move small person stuff to null and will be glad with the increased income I will earn from my exploration sites. Spent most of that time based in highsec, making incursions into low and null. Also while the CSM may be voted by a relative minority in the grand scheme, all their changes makes perfect sense. Making a game for people to play! Sure you cannot farm to feed a steady supply of pvp T3, guess it is time to get back to basics. Stabber fleets anybody?
To the peeps saying accounts gone if datacores leave, that means one thing.
That you have accounts that do nothing but kill the market for legit players so you can feed one more account.
Dont let the door hit you on the way out. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.05.03 04:35:00 -
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Markus Reese wrote:I like how they move small person stuff to null and will be glad with the increased income I will earn from my exploration sites. Spent most of that time based in highsec, making incursions into low and null. Also while the CSM may be voted by a relative minority in the grand scheme, all their changes makes perfect sense. Making a game for people to play! Sure you cannot farm to feed a steady supply of pvp T3, guess it is time to get back to basics. Stabber fleets anybody?
To the peeps saying accounts gone if datacores leave, that means one thing.
That you have accounts that do nothing but kill the market for legit players so you can feed one more account.
Dont let the door hit you on the way out.
yeah cause accounts leaving has NO affect on what CCP does
OH WAIT SUMMER Oh yes, it actually DOES
I'm a little tea pot, short and stout... this is my handle, SMASH THE TEA POT, IT'S EVIL! IT DOESN'T DESERVE TO LIVE DIE! DIE! DIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEE!-á "When a Malkavian speaks, listen. When a Malkavian acts, leave. When two Malkavians gather, run." Ah,Word Eater. I kne |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
160
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Posted - 2012.05.03 04:39:00 -
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Yeah, accounts do, but take this. They lose 10 accounts to people who thing eve should autoplay. They gain 20 to people who think eve is fun, people who typically when I talk to say eve is dull, ie mining and the power imbalances happening in pvp. Business says lose the 10 to get 20. |
Degren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
219
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Posted - 2012.05.03 04:42:00 -
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All I got out of it was "We want to be represented, but we don't want to organize to do it."
Uh huh.
No. . |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.05.03 04:43:00 -
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Degren wrote:All I got out of it was "We want to be represented, but we don't want to organize to do it."
Uh huh.
No.
Is this about the issue with Britan?
Or OWS?
Or owls? I'm a little tea pot, short and stout... this is my handle, SMASH THE TEA POT, IT'S EVIL! IT DOESN'T DESERVE TO LIVE DIE! DIE! DIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEE!-á "When a Malkavian speaks, listen. When a Malkavian acts, leave. When two Malkavians gather, run." Ah,Word Eater. I kne |
Shian Yang
39
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Posted - 2012.05.03 04:48:00 -
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Degren wrote:All I got out of it was "We want to be represented, but we don't want to organize to do it."
Uh huh.
No.
Greetings capsuleer Degren,
I believe there was a substantial push to elect candidates that resided predominantly in the high-security, CONCORD patrolled areas for the current CSM. This did not occur; because the handlers were not motivated.
There were plenty of fine speeches prior to the election, campaigning and so forth. But the pilots are too fractured, too insular. They have no reason to band together because they are not bound together in camaraderie like those who risk their futures on the frontiers of New Eden.
I do not see what could motivate them. Offer them free Piloting Licenses? Perhaps a hold filled with Gallentean dancing girls and a tub of jello?
It would have to be something that appeals to naked self interest.
Regards,
Shian Yang |
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