The Government and Lawyers/Court systems do this all the time; why should anyone else be any different?

Lemmings jump off cliffs all the time; why don't you?

Careful encouraging suicide can get you banned for 30 days.

CCP acknowledges through their own numbers that slightly over 70% of all players in game are high sec.
Yet we have essentially one person, Kelduum from E-UNI who is ostensibly high sec, and E-UNI is actually migrating a lot of players to null sec.

In any case, since the the null sec zealots have realized the past couple years what a powerful meta-game tool the CSM is, they have done everything they can to control it and bend CCP to their will.

My Ally Leader and I have been discussing this for quite some time.

A covert GoonAltDevTeam steering game development this way for a few years. But it sounds so tinfoil hat it's almost embarrassing to bring up. That's a GREAT way for them to hide.

Dev PvP ?????

Carebear + PVP + Goons = rotting plushie innards and deceased rainbows

Given that the silent majority of the game, namely high sec players, don't follow the forums, this thread is pointless.
But I feel like Don Quixote tonight, and am indeed mad as hell.

CCP acknowledges through their own numbers that slightly over 70% of all players in game are high sec.
Yet we have essentially one person, Kelduum from E-UNI who is ostensibly high sec, and E-UNI is actually migrating a lot of players to null sec.

In any case, since the the null sec zealots have realized the past couple years what a powerful meta-game tool the CSM is, they have done everything they can to control it and bend CCP to their will.

If high sec players want any control over their game, they have to become organized, and form a strong voting bloc.
Consider:

There are 400,000 paid accounts on TQ.
That is approx 1 million chars.

goons and test, the 2 largest alliances in the game, add up to 14,000 chars.
That is 1.4 percent of the entire game base.
Assume they all have 3 accounts.
That makes it a whopping 4.2%, yet they with their control of the game and the direction of the game is far, far more than the demographics show.

If even 10% of high sec players were actually engaged in the political process, we could dominate the CSM, and start pushing back at all the attacks by the null sec zealot group in game and within CCP.

We need to stat organizing now, for the next CSM.

But who am I kidding. It won't happen. High sec players will just quit once all the changes coming down the pipe are implemented. Heck, I will likely have packed it in myself, rather than waste my time fighting lost battles in and out of game.

High sec players, consider this a warning for you: Organize now. The next CSM may be your last chance to save high sec in some playable format.

I am not sure how CCP sees Eve as serving the majority of its customers when it allows a small group to ruin the game for the majority.

Is this really what is happening?

I am not sure how CCP sees Eve as serving the majority of its customers when it allows a small group to ruin the game for the majority.

We can only hope new aggression and war mechanics might level the playing field.

Issler

Uhm, did you follow the CSM 7 elections. I ran for high sec and won a seat. I definitely feel your frustration. In 24 hours my alliance will be at war with the goons for speaking out about their leaders poor behavior. I am not sure how CCP sees Eve as serving the majority of its customers when it allows a small group to ruin the game for the majority.

We can only hope new aggression and war mechanics might level the playing field.

Issler

You have a very generous definition of "growth".

http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

Jessie-A Tassik is correct. It definitely looks like player numbers have dropped.

Obviously it seems there's a few players posting in this thread who don't know how to read charts and graphs. They keep spouting incorrect assumptions even after factual proof is presented, constantly bellowing out fallacies like "Eve has grown steadily year after year since it began." or "The only drops in Eve's subscriptions coincide with PvE high sec content." Stop posting lies and look at the evidence.


What that chart shows is from 2006 "Bloodlines Expansion" to the middle of 2009 "Apocrypha Expansion" there was definitely steady growth. In the middle of 2009 there was a huge drop that leveled out for about 6 months. That is the longest stretch of time with a steady low amount of player numbers making it the low base reference point ..

From the middle of 2009 to present day growth has been sporadic and short term followed by a large initial drop and a long steady decrease in player numbers each time.

Each consecutive short growth spurt has been exponentially larger than the previous one. Probably due to good advertising, PR work for expansions, word of mouth, etc.

However, each consecutive short term growth spurt has been followed with an even larger initial drop and steady gradual decrease in numbers bringing it back down around the initial low reference point of 2009. Probably due to various bugs, unfinished content, people being disillusioned by the PR advertising, etc.

The chart shows the amount of player numbers now currently active is a bit lower than the high player count listed in the middle of 2009 during "Apocrypha". The actual highest amount of player numbers active online only lasted for a few months which coincides with the release of "Incursion".

Since the current amount of active players now online is less than or maybe equal to the amount of active players back in 2009, how does that equate into Eve steadily growing year after year?

Given that the silent majority of the game, namely high sec players, don't follow the forums, this thread is pointless.
But I feel like Don Quixote tonight, and am indeed mad as hell.

CCP acknowledges through their own numbers that slightly over 70% of all players in game are high sec.
Yet we have essentially one person, Kelduum from E-UNI who is ostensibly high sec, and E-UNI is actually migrating a lot of players to null sec.

In any case, since the the null sec zealots have realized the past couple years what a powerful meta-game tool the CSM is, they have done everything they can to control it and bend CCP to their will.

If high sec players want any control over their game, they have to become organized, and form a strong voting bloc.
Consider:

There are 400,000 paid accounts on TQ.
That is approx 1 million chars.

goons and test, the 2 largest alliances in the game, add up to 14,000 chars.
That is 1.4 percent of the entire game base.
Assume they all have 3 accounts.
That makes it a whopping 4.2%, yet they with their control of the game and the direction of the game is far, far more than the demographics show.

If even 10% of high sec players were actually engaged in the political process, we could dominate the CSM, and start pushing back at all the attacks by the null sec zealot group in game and within CCP.

We need to stat organizing now, for the next CSM.

But who am I kidding. It won't happen. High sec players will just quit once all the changes coming down the pipe are implemented. Heck, I will likely have packed it in myself, rather than waste my time fighting lost battles in and out of game.

High sec players, consider this a warning for you: Organize now. The next CSM may be your last chance to save high sec in some playable format.

People need to learn to analyse statistics better. They are not always particularly useful, especially not when you just take them at face value.

Business says lose the 10 to get 20.

what do you hisecers want again?

Protip: In the Q4 2010 economic statement, CCP revealed that the average is 2.2 accounts / character. So if *every* null sec person had 2.2 accounts, it would still only account for roughly 40% of in game toons.

That still leaves 60% of all characters that aren't associated with Null Sec...

Not saying they're all hi-sec'ers, but still...

what do you hisecers want again?

Since when the **** have goons been involved in faction warfare? Shut the **** up. You idiots need to think before you speak.

I'm not wanting to jump to conclusions here, but your post comes across as someone who joined EvE knowing it was a harsh, pvp based game and now wants to make it safe and cosy.

To be left in peace ... so they can continue to bot and RMT without interference.

I thought most of those recently caught were not in hi-sec. Am I mistaken in this?

It's become much less so over the years, and with good reason: the pure form was killing the game, to the point that the Devs felt they had to intervene actively.

Gate changes, tactical nerfs, gate guns, jump clones, sovereignty, all have conspired to make the EVEverse smaller and safer. Physical and production chokepoints lead to hydraulic empires and the oft lamented NAPfests. Note how major power shifts of late have been almost entirely "meta" events, the current game mechanics are all about safety and stagnation.

This is essentially a socially exclusive game, trust is the most valuable commodity. Combined with the continual reinforcement of established power, it's a real testament to the perceived potential that this game grows at all.