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Myz Toyou
Bite Me inc Exhale.
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Posted - 2012.05.03 12:45:00 -
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Fannie Maes wrote:a third of the eve population voted for CSM, I didn't including many others. How big portion of people playing eve are members in an alliance? Not me either! Who visits fanfest and talk to devs and gm's daily?
There you have it, CCP/CSM listen to those that give the feedback and contribute. The 2/3rd that didnt care about CSM are the ones that either dont care about the game, dont think things need to be changed or the ones that couldnt indentify themselfs with the stuff the several highsec CSM candidates had on their agenda. All you high sec dwellers do is whine whine whine. Maybe if you would refocus your agenda from: "We want risk free ISK for everyone in epic poportions and no effort at all" (which basicly sums up all you guys cry for on a daily basis) towards something more realistic and something that also goes along with CCPs idea of EVE: Risk vs. Reward. When this happens you maybe can get some more ppl motivated to vote for your candidates.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
744
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Posted - 2012.05.03 12:47:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Krixtal, he was talking about the data cores you brought up. They are being moved to low sec via FW.
Yup. Thanks. It's still an idiotic idea...and shows the CCP Devs and Execs are in the Pockets of the Goonies.
Historically in High Sec : bye-bye Moons (to the Goons)....bye-bye Low Sec PI (to the goons POCO Tax)....(maybe)bye-bye T2 Production (into the price gouging pockets of the Goons).
Beyond Obvious is Beyond Obvious.
addendum -- and don't get me started on the Petition Bat-Phone.
"Behold, as a wild ass in the desert, go I forth to my work." - Gurney Halleck |
Aracimia Wolfe
The Cursed Navy Tactical Narcotics Team
79
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Posted - 2012.05.03 12:48:00 -
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Mmmm Hi Sec whine.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101626
I'll just leave this here |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
744
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Posted - 2012.05.03 12:49:00 -
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That Thread sure is skeeeered of us.
"Behold, as a wild ass in the desert, go I forth to my work." - Gurney Halleck |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
385
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Posted - 2012.05.03 12:55:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:People need to learn to analyse statistics better. They are not always particularly useful, especially not when you just take them at face value. Protip: In the Q4 2010 economic statement, CCP revealed that the average is 2.2 accounts / character. So if *every* null sec person had 2.2 accounts, it would still only account for roughly 40% of in game toons. That still leaves 60% of all characters that aren't associated with Null Sec... Not saying they're all hi-sec'ers, but still... You are of course assuming that the distribution of multi-boxers is even between high sec and low/null sec. In low and null there is an increased reliability on alts for scouting, logistics even plexing most rated sites requires multiboxing. The average number of players all over Eve may own 2.2 accounts, but I very much doubt that is an even distribution. Where would you expect to find the largest concentration of players with only one account? Also, that would leave >60% of players associated with low sec and null sec. And it is still assuming it is even remotely accurate based purely on a characters location at any one time, I mean how many characters operate mostly in wormholes, but log off in high sec when they are done? How many "live" in high sec, but roam out into and do exploration in low sec? The only accurate way to have gathered this data would be to force players to select an option when logging in, and perform a complete census. Even a voluntary census would be questionable, since certain psychological traits that predispose people to actually filling in questionaires have a tendency to skew the average profile of the demographic you end up recieving an answer from.
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Sycho Pathic
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
37
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Posted - 2012.05.03 12:58:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:
Lemmings jump off cliffs all the time; why don't you?
Actually, they don't. That was fabricated by Walt Disney documentary makers back in the 1950s.
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Francisco Bizzaro
80
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Posted - 2012.05.03 13:00:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Krixtal, he was talking about the data cores you brought up. They are being moved to low sec via FW. Yup. Thanks. It's still an idiotic idea...and shows the CCP Devs and Execs are in the Pockets of the Goonies. Of all the tinfoil hat theories you could come up with ... datacores to FW is a CCP/goon plot? Really?!?
Come on, Malcanis gifted you a much stronger conspiracy angle just a few posts ago. Pay attention. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3622
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Posted - 2012.05.03 13:09:00 -
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Sycho Pathic wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Lemmings jump off cliffs all the time; why don't you?
Actually, they don't. That was fabricated by Walt Disney documentary makers back in the 1950s.
:Yodaface: Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
386
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Posted - 2012.05.03 13:13:00 -
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Ahhh - found it!
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1229956#post1229956
CCP Soundwave wrote:We're not removing research agents or the ability to farm datacores from them. What we're going to do is slow down the rate of datacores you accumulate and put a small pricetag on them.
Additionally to that, they're being added to the Faction Warfare LP store, with a dynamic price.
We should have a devblog out later this month with the exact details.
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3622
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Posted - 2012.05.03 13:15:00 -
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Virtually every 0.0, lo-sec and W-space player will have at least one hi-sec character, often more. I've never met a single exception to this rule, and if such players exist they are extremely rare. Of my 6 characters on 2 accounts, 1 is perma hi-sec and 3 of the others spend 80%+ of their time in hi-sec.
Very very few "hi-sec" focused players have a character outside of hi-sec.
It would be a safe statement to say that for every character in 0.0 there is a character in hi-sec belonging to the same player. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
744
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Posted - 2012.05.03 13:18:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:
It would be a safe statement to say that for every character in 0.0 there is a character in hi-sec belonging to the same player.
That is indeed their Skeleton in a Closet. Come out, come out....wherever you are.....
"Behold, as a wild ass in the desert, go I forth to my work." - Gurney Halleck |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
387
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Posted - 2012.05.03 13:19:00 -
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Malcanis wrote: Virtually every 0.0, lo-sec and W-space player will have at least one hi-sec character, often more. I've never met a single exception to this rule, and if such players exist they are extremely rare. Of my 6 characters on 2 accounts, 1 is perma hi-sec and 3 of the others spend 80%+ of their time in hi-sec.
Very very few "hi-sec" focused players have a character outside of hi-sec.
It would be a safe statement to say that for every character in 0.0 there is a character in hi-sec belonging to the same player.
Soooo...
What about the "hi-sec industrialist" with 7 accounts? Or my favorite the guy I met while I was in Uni (he was obviously a much older toon) who had 25 accounts? There are, I'm sure, any number of variations on the theme... All we *know* are the numbers we've been given... (I have not identified him, because he's not involved in this conversation) - it used to be a standing joke that there were really only 5 people in the uni, everyone else was just this guys alts talking to each other....
Not saying you are in any way, shape or form wrong, just that it is speculation to argue that the 60+% in hi-sec are majority alts of null-sec'ers (or anyone else for that matter).
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.05.03 13:20:00 -
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i don't think the 0.0 mains of hisec alts whine about hisec |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
387
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Posted - 2012.05.03 13:24:00 -
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RAP ACTION HERO wrote:i don't think the 0.0 mains of hisec alts whine about hisec I think your right...
DAM PATOR TECH SCHOOL ALT POSTERS!
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
387
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Posted - 2012.05.03 13:28:00 -
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delete this stupid post...
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3622
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Posted - 2012.05.03 13:29:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:Malcanis wrote: Virtually every 0.0, lo-sec and W-space player will have at least one hi-sec character, often more. I've never met a single exception to this rule, and if such players exist they are extremely rare. Of my 6 characters on 2 accounts, 1 is perma hi-sec and 3 of the others spend 80%+ of their time in hi-sec.
Very very few "hi-sec" focused players have a character outside of hi-sec.
It would be a safe statement to say that for every character in 0.0 there is a character in hi-sec belonging to the same player.
Soooo... What about the "hi-sec industrialist" with 7 accounts? Or my favorite the guy I met while I was in Uni (he was obviously a much older toon) who had 25 accounts? There are, I'm sure, any number of variations on the theme... All we *know* are the numbers we've been given... (I have not identified him, because he's not involved in this conversation) - it used to be a standing joke that there were really only 5 people in the uni, everyone else was just this guys alts talking to each other.... Not saying you are in any way, shape or form wrong, just that it is speculation to argue that the 60+% in hi-sec are majority alts of null-sec'ers (or anyone else for that matter).
I'm not saying anything about 7-account hi-sec guys except that few of them seem to have 0.0/W-space characters, and if they do there aren't many of them.
I'm just saying that a significant demographic of "hi-sec" characters belong to players who consider themselves "null sec", whereas the demographic of "0.0" characters that belong to players who consider themselves "hi-sec" is trivial.
My wild-assed guess would be that hi-sec is something like 25-30% populated by characters belonging to players who consider themselves as "low/null" and that less than 1% of characters in null belong to "hi-sec" players. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3622
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Posted - 2012.05.03 13:32:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Malcanis wrote:
It would be a safe statement to say that for every character in 0.0 there is a character in hi-sec belonging to the same player.
That is indeed their Skeleton in a Closet. Come out, come out....wherever you are.....
Urgh, I mangled the original sentence (I hate it when people at work interrupt my whoruming)
"It would be a safe statement to say that for every character in 0.0, W-space or 0.0, there is a character in hi-sec belonging to that category of player" Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
640
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Posted - 2012.05.03 13:45:00 -
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Francisco Bizzaro wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote:what do you hisecers want again? Not empty quoting. This part was missing from the OP.
Almost empty quoting. ~ Elite forum PvP ~ |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
107
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Posted - 2012.05.03 13:46:00 -
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Shian Yang wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Growth has been effectively zero since the beginning of 2009. Greetings capsuleer, This is a lie. Regards, Shian Yang
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
Well, I was trying to be nice, but heh, you want the unvarnished truth?
Eve was shrinking as of January 2012. I doubt this upset the dev's, cruising Null Sec and blowing up "pubbies" in Low Sec with a 1000 man capital blob one minute away from backing them up if "meanies" blew up their logi's.
So pro, so lete.
but it did upset their bosses and so they actually started fixing some things... or at least claiming to.
They are now running on Hope. Hope which giggles CCP Soundwave seems determined to crush.
And for the record, the positive things in Eve were almost certainly not created by CCP Soundwave, he simply takes credit for them. |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
107
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Posted - 2012.05.03 13:50:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote:i don't think the 0.0 mains of hisec alts whine about hisec I think your right... DAM PATOR TECH SCHOOL ALT POSTERS! And - just for a change in pace; to the OP: CCP is a business, regardless of *how much* influence any one group might (or might not) have on the developers, it is first, last and always a business. CCP will do pretty much what they think is best for the game. Subscriptions count more than all the threads we make ("watch what they do, not what they say...") - if CCP begins losing an appreciable number of accounts, they will take notice, and they have shown they will take action. I think you're blowing this out of proportion...
Someone read Adam Smith and believed him?
Wow.
Why don't you give us a lecture about The Consumer With Perfect Knowledge? Kind of like physics "Frictionless Surfaces". |
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
640
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Posted - 2012.05.03 13:52:00 -
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So many words, so little substance. You have an agenda, which seems to be bashing the game, the players and the devs, but why?
~ Elite forum PvP ~ |
Sycho Pathic
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
38
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Posted - 2012.05.03 13:54:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:[quote=Krixtal Icefluxor][quote=Malcanis] Urgh, I mangled the original sentence (I hate it when people at work interrupt my whoruming)
Heh. I just close my office door. If anyone asks what's up, I tell them I am arguing on the Internet.
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Polly Oxford
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.05.03 14:00:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Shian Yang wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Growth has been effectively zero since the beginning of 2009. Greetings capsuleer, This is a lie. Regards, Shian Yang http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquilityWell, I was trying to be nice, but heh, you want the unvarnished truth? Eve was shrinking as of January 2012. I doubt this upset the dev's, cruising Null Sec and blowing up "pubbies" in Low Sec with a 1000 man capital blob one minute away from backing them up if "meanies" blew up their logi's. So pro, so lete. but it did upset their bosses and so they actually started fixing some things... or at least claiming to. They are now running on Hope. Hope which giggles CCP Soundwave seems determined to crush. And for the record, the positive things in Eve were almost certainly not created by CCP Soundwave, he simply takes credit for them.
Why are you still quoting that site? How is number of simultaneous users a good indicator of how the game is growing/shrinking? CCP gives subscriber numbers, which is the only interesting thing from a business perspective. That ****** graph can't account for people that only log in for an hour a day compared to someone who is logged in all day.
Also insinuating that Devs are corrupt without any proof whatsoever is despicable. Normally this forum is a great form of amusement, because people whine about everything, but accusations like this are disgusting and I really hope you will find another game to play. I don't care if you hate me and call me names, but some lowlife making stuff up to hurt people in their real life is just wrong. |
Francisco Bizzaro
80
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Posted - 2012.05.03 14:15:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote:i don't think the 0.0 mains of hisec alts whine about hisec I think your right... DAM PATOR TECH SCHOOL ALT POSTERS! And - just for a change in pace; to the OP: CCP is a business, regardless of *how much* influence any one group might (or might not) have on the developers, it is first, last and always a business. CCP will do pretty much what they think is best for the game. Subscriptions count more than all the threads we make ("watch what they do, not what they say...") - if CCP begins losing an appreciable number of accounts, they will take notice, and they have shown they will take action. I think you're blowing this out of proportion... Someone read Adam Smith and believed him? Wow. Is Adam Smith a Goon, and is he paying for Soundwave's house and his car and his kids' running shoes?
Because Eve-Online is. So as long as that's the case, I guess CCP employees' best interests are aligned with the success of the game as a whole, not one of its ephemeral in-game entities. |
Hamshoe
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2012.05.03 14:18:00 -
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Polly Oxford wrote: Also insinuating that Devs are corrupt without any proof whatsoever is despicable.
Yes. It would be wholly unprecedented.
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
956
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Posted - 2012.05.03 14:26:00 -
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Hey GD. Long time no see. o/ |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3623
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Posted - 2012.05.03 14:39:00 -
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ITT: people who don't know that the eve-offline graphs go from right to left. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
387
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Posted - 2012.05.03 15:00:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Someone read Adam Smith and believed him? Wow. Why don't you give us a lecture about The Consumer With Perfect Knowledge? Kind of like physics "Frictionless Surfaces". Never read adam smith - but tbqh - everyone qq'ing about "goons" wrecking the game is getting under my skin. One of the "goons" biggest advantages has been in (super) cap ships (lately) - And Mittani and all the rest of the 0.0 inhabitants have lobbied, directly against their own best interests to get them nerfed...
So yeah, I think people are blowing they're "control" over ccp way out of line...
Malcanis wrote:I'm not saying anything about 7-account hi-sec guys except that few of them seem to have 0.0/W-space characters, and if they do there aren't many of them.
I'm just saying that a significant demographic of "hi-sec" characters belong to players who consider themselves "null sec", whereas the demographic of "0.0" characters that belong to players who consider themselves "hi-sec" is trivial.
My wild-assed guess would be that hi-sec is something like 20-30% populated by characters belonging to players who consider themselves as "low/null" and that less than 1% of characters in null belong to "hi-sec" players. And my original point was that we *only* know for sure the numbers that CCP has put out, and nothing else. 2.2 accounts (average) per player, and the % break down of where people live...
Everything else is speculation...
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
160
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Posted - 2012.05.03 15:55:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Well they've been sucking up to Null Bears since the game started and EvE hasn't grown in years.
So BUSINESS says you are wrong.
No, that shows I am right. It has started growing since changes have been made to the more causual play such as the pve mechanics. There is a solid statement that moon minerals will be removed from being fixed atms. Moon mins become accessible to asteroid belts, that pretty much negates the 0.0 cuddlefest provided people have the tools to be able to get out there and mine. Depending on the mechanics and what is available, this could be a very good thing to breaking the grip on the consortiums. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
917
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Posted - 2012.05.03 15:55:00 -
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Asuri it is not really speculation to those of us that have lived in high, low and null sec. I have been in high sec corporations, and low sec ones. I even joined a null sec power block for a few months.
I can assure you, the number of people in most high sec corps with their own personal scout alts etc. is relatively low. They also tend not to multi-box in PvE, only people I know who multi-box high sec PvE do it in incursions. And they are low sec/null sec alts anyway.
Two accounts is pretty much the minimum for almost everyone in null/low. Any less than that and you cannot even scout yourself from a to b.
*EDIT: Anyway, that is somewhat detracting from the point. The point is that those who consider themselves high sec players are very unlikely to have characters in low/null, whereas null sec players almost always have trading alts etc. in high sec. And more recently they also have incursion alts.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
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