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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
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Posted - 2012.05.03 18:49:00 -
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Fannie Maes wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:
I heard that you also refused to cooperate with the rest of the CSM when discussing the whole incident. You were collaborating with someone who admittedly scammed people for their votes. Is this true?
Are you not busy trying to kill yourself? Sorry, I mean trying to have someone else kill themselves, I often get those 2 confused, I wonder why?
If blowing up peoples spaceships gets them to do this, then I will blow up spaceships all day. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
113
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Posted - 2012.05.03 18:54:00 -
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RAP ACTION HERO wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Yup. Read Soundwaves little stinkbomb on "Inferno and Datacores" Page 7 in GD about moving T2 towards Low and Null (yes, another Goon ISK River like POCO's).
Me and 3 accounts are out of here after 2 1/2 years if that happens.
I'm with you bud. Sign me up.
Hell sign Thundering Herd up. The THUNDERING HERD 2 dudes 15 alts ooooookaaaaaaay please form a big hisec coalition so that the null guys can wardec yall all at once
Would that let us gank Goons in Jita?
Oh yeah, that's a great idea! |
Fannie Maes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
216
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Posted - 2012.05.03 18:57:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Fannie Maes wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:
I heard that you also refused to cooperate with the rest of the CSM when discussing the whole incident. You were collaborating with someone who admittedly scammed people for their votes. Is this true?
Are you not busy trying to kill yourself? Sorry, I mean trying to have someone else kill themselves, I often get those 2 confused, I wonder why? If blowing up peoples spaceships gets them to do this, then I will blow up spaceships all day.
If that is your life I am surprised you have not already, you know? |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
350
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Posted - 2012.05.03 18:59:00 -
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Fannie Maes wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Fannie Maes wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:
I heard that you also refused to cooperate with the rest of the CSM when discussing the whole incident. You were collaborating with someone who admittedly scammed people for their votes. Is this true?
Are you not busy trying to kill yourself? Sorry, I mean trying to have someone else kill themselves, I often get those 2 confused, I wonder why? If blowing up peoples spaceships gets them to do this, then I will blow up spaceships all day. If that is your life I am surprised you have not already, you know?
I can't kill myself yet, I still haven't watched all of MST3k. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Fannie Maes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
216
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Posted - 2012.05.03 19:06:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Fannie Maes wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Fannie Maes wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:
I heard that you also refused to cooperate with the rest of the CSM when discussing the whole incident. You were collaborating with someone who admittedly scammed people for their votes. Is this true?
Are you not busy trying to kill yourself? Sorry, I mean trying to have someone else kill themselves, I often get those 2 confused, I wonder why? If blowing up peoples spaceships gets them to do this, then I will blow up spaceships all day. If that is your life I am surprised you have not already, you know? I can't kill myself yet, I still haven't watched all of MST3k.
I just looked that up... dude, just... it is not too late to seek help you know?
Anyway, I wish you the best, and remember, after darkness there is sunshine, or something like that. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
351
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Posted - 2012.05.03 19:09:00 -
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Fannie Maes wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:
I can't kill myself yet, I still haven't watched all of MST3k.
I just looked that up... dude, just... it is not too late to seek help you know? Anyway, I wish you the best, and remember, after darkness there is sunshine, or something like that.
Thank you for allowing me to easily finalize your relevance from this post. I'm still waiting on an answer to my question from Issler Dainze. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Fannie Maes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
216
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Posted - 2012.05.03 19:13:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Fannie Maes wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:
I can't kill myself yet, I still haven't watched all of MST3k.
I just looked that up... dude, just... it is not too late to seek help you know? Anyway, I wish you the best, and remember, after darkness there is sunshine, or something like that. Thank you for allowing me to easily finalize your relevance from this post.
Well, you never answered my question, why are you goons cheating? Is it really that big a deal for your alliance to lose a few logi ships in high-sec that you need to petition?
Makes you wonder what kind of butt-hurt it must have been
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Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
867
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Posted - 2012.05.03 19:16:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:Given that the silent majority of the game, namely high sec players, don't follow the forums, this thread is pointless. But I feel like Don Quixote tonight, and am indeed mad as hell.
CCP acknowledges through their own numbers that slightly over 70% of all players in game are high sec. Yet we have essentially one person, Kelduum from E-UNI who is ostensibly high sec, and E-UNI is actually migrating a lot of players to null sec.
In any case, since the the null sec zealots have realized the past couple years what a powerful meta-game tool the CSM is, they have done everything they can to control it and bend CCP to their will.
If high sec players want any control over their game, they have to become organized, and form a strong voting bloc. Consider:
There are 400,000 paid accounts on TQ. That is approx 1 million chars.
goons and test, the 2 largest alliances in the game, add up to 14,000 chars. That is 1.4 percent of the entire game base. Assume they all have 3 accounts. That makes it a whopping 4.2%, yet they with their control of the game and the direction of the game is far, far more than the demographics show.
If even 10% of high sec players were actually engaged in the political process, we could dominate the CSM, and start pushing back at all the attacks by the null sec zealot group in game and within CCP.
We need to stat organizing now, for the next CSM.
But who am I kidding. It won't happen. High sec players will just quit once all the changes coming down the pipe are implemented. Heck, I will likely have packed it in myself, rather than waste my time fighting lost battles in and out of game.
High sec players, consider this a warning for you: Organize now. The next CSM may be your last chance to save high sec in some playable format.
The problem with your horrible thesis is that all nullsec players have one or three highsec alts, hence the percentage or ''true'' carebears cannot be estimated from the number of highsec characters.
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
867
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Posted - 2012.05.03 19:18:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Yup. Read Soundwaves little stinkbomb on "Inferno and Datacores" Page 7 in GD about moving T2 towards Low and Null (yes, another Goon ISK River like POCO's). Love that btw, no conflict of interest there AT ALL Its funny, I actually sat down and watched the TTH interview till the part where Soundwave was all but drooling over the possibility of destroying the T2 market and I came away with the feeling that he sounds a lot like a Goon.
I'm going to cut through your tinfoil with some public domain information: CCP Soundwave was a Goonfleet director This is him http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1sdTzj9iac
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
Fannie Maes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
216
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Posted - 2012.05.03 19:20:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Yup. Read Soundwaves little stinkbomb on "Inferno and Datacores" Page 7 in GD about moving T2 towards Low and Null (yes, another Goon ISK River like POCO's). Love that btw, no conflict of interest there AT ALL Its funny, I actually sat down and watched the TTH interview till the part where Soundwave was all but drooling over the possibility of destroying the T2 market and I came away with the feeling that he sounds a lot like a Goon. I'm going to cut through your tinfoil with some public domain information: CCP Soundwave was a Goonfleet director This is him http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1sdTzj9iac
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Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
867
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Posted - 2012.05.03 19:21:00 -
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While we're at it this is CCP Sreegs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9BjwNmdn6U
If the trend is to be believed, The Mittani will become Lead Content Designer within the next two years.
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
Fannie Maes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
217
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Posted - 2012.05.03 19:22:00 -
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
352
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Posted - 2012.05.03 19:25:00 -
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We can only hope. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
142
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Posted - 2012.05.03 19:27:00 -
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He is already the Lead Content Generator for high-sec... +1 in local |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
352
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Posted - 2012.05.03 19:29:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:He is already the Lead Content Generator for high-sec...
He does design that content he generates as well. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
870
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Posted - 2012.05.03 19:32:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:He is already the Lead Content Generator for high-sec...
That's my point. CCP should just hire the man to write scenarios for live events and to play various faction warfare leaders.
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
870
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Posted - 2012.05.03 19:33:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Karl Hobb wrote:He is already the Lead Content Generator for high-sec... He does design that content he generates as well.
Not strictly true, the entire Goonswarm director team is pretty much a board of pure wizards.
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6371
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Posted - 2012.05.03 19:40:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:And my original point was that we *only* know for sure the numbers that CCP has put out, and nothing else. 2.2 accounts (average) per player, and the % break down of where people live...
Everything else is speculation... Even that is speculation. Not even CCP has a good number on how many accounts per player there are GÇö the 2.2 number that is being passed around is the average number of characters per account. People have been trying to guesstimate the average number of accounts per player and arrived at something in the region of just below 2, but again, there is no official number for that statistic and even CCP themselves can only at best give a rough estimate.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
392
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Posted - 2012.05.03 19:41:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:The problem with your horrible thesis is that all nullsec players have one or three highsec alts, hence the percentage or ''true'' carebears cannot be estimated from the number of highsec characters. And some hi-sec players have 3 - 7 or more alts (manufacturing, research, data cores and mission runners) - point is, all we *know* about populations in Eve is what CCP has released....
That about 67.3% of all characters reside in Hi-Sec...
Watch the economy presentation from fan fest...
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
392
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Posted - 2012.05.03 19:47:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:And my original point was that we *only* know for sure the numbers that CCP has put out, and nothing else. 2.2 accounts (average) per player, and the % break down of where people live...
Everything else is speculation... Even that is speculation. Not even CCP has a good number on how many accounts per player there are GÇö the 2.2 number that is being passed around is the average number of characters per account. People have been trying to guesstimate the average number of accounts per player and arrived at something in the region of just below 2, but again, there is no official number for that statistic and even CCP themselves can only at best give a rough estimate. True that, that is why I'm saying "the only numbers we KNOW are the population breakdowns given by CCP". Anyone that claims "null - sec alts make up a significant portion of the hi-sec population" are blowing smoke...
Because no-one knows, neither the OP, you or I...
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6371
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Posted - 2012.05.03 20:00:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:True that, that is why I'm saying "the only numbers we KNOW are the population breakdowns given by CCP". Anyone that claims "null - sec alts make up a significant portion of the hi-sec population" are blowing smoke...
Because no-one knows, neither the OP, you or I... Fair enough. Those claims are just a matter of counting backwards, though, and relying on experiences. The neat thing is that we don't need to care about how many alts the highsec players have GÇö we just need to get a feel for how many the null/alt players have and where those are placed. We don't even need to know the account per player number.
With an average 2.2 characters per account and how much value you can get of having a character in some highsec hub, it's not a particularly long stretch of the imagination to say that for every low/null character, there is an alt that sits in highsec. Suddenly, those 30% of null/sec characters translates into 60% low/null accounts.
It's not really blowing smoke GÇö it's extrapolating from known numbers with known properties (i.e. that highsec players are exclusive in terms of where their characters exist, whereas low/null players are not). It's the fact that we're not talking about mutually exclusive categories that let us arrive at that number and, even if that's still an estimate, we can at any rate say with absolute certainty that the actual proportion of highsec players is lower than 67%. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
321
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Posted - 2012.05.03 20:04:00 -
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hmm i used to be a high sec alt... untill my other alt got a carrier and now i make cynos in low sec... so who knows really its purley up to conjecture... PLEX FOR PIZZA!
TECH iii MINNING SHIPS! |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
392
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Posted - 2012.05.03 20:11:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:True that, that is why I'm saying "the only numbers we KNOW are the population breakdowns given by CCP". Anyone that claims "null - sec alts make up a significant portion of the hi-sec population" are blowing smoke...
Because no-one knows, neither the OP, you or I... Fair enough. Those claims are just a matter of counting backwards, though, and relying on experiences. The neat thing is that we don't need to care about how many alts the highsec players have GÇö we just need to get a feel for how many the null/alt players have and where those are placed. We don't even need to know the account per player number. With an average 2.2 characters per account and how much value you can get of having a character in some highsec hub, it's not a particularly long stretch of the imagination to say that for every low/null character, there is an alt that sits in highsec. Suddenly, those 30% of null/sec characters translates into 60% low/null accounts.It's not really blowing smoke GÇö it's extrapolating from known numbers with known properties (i.e. that highsec players are exclusive in terms of where their characters exist, whereas low/null players are not). It's the fact that we're not talking about mutually exclusive categories that let us arrive at that number and, even if that's still an estimate, we can at any rate say with absolute certainty that the actual proportion of highsec players is lower than 67%. 30% Null?
You're dreaming.... - 4:20 into the show...
Your dreaming....
15% of *ALL* characters and 20.7% of those > 5M skillpoints... (which makes sense).
Again, since we *can't* know the total break down of people/accounts/characters who have interests in Null, or those who have interests in Hi-sec - the total numbers might as well be made up out of whole cloth.
And if you count low-sec %'s in with Null-sec %'s - it's *still* only 23.2%... And the assumption your making, is that the number of players residing in Hi-Sec *don't* have an equal number of alt accounts - thereby totally cancelling out the "low/0.0" alts numbers.
Making (again) Dr. E's numbers more or less accurate as far as basic population graphics...
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Hamshoe
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2012.05.03 20:14:00 -
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Tippia wrote:It's not really blowing smoke GÇö it's extrapolating from known numbers with known properties (i.e. that highsec players are exclusive in terms of where their characters exist, whereas low/null players are not). It's the fact that we're not talking about mutually exclusive categories that let us arrive at that number and, even if that's still an estimate, we can at any rate say with absolute certainty that the actual proportion of highsec players is lower than 67%.
Ok, maybe not blowing smoke... how about "pulling it out of your special place that smells like yesterdays lunch"?
Unless of course you're defining your terms with the definite purpose of pretending to support your conclusion. There's a technical term for that.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6371
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Posted - 2012.05.03 20:32:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:30% Null? No. 30% low/null.
Quote:Again, since we *can't* know the total break down of people/accounts/characters who have interests in Null, or those who have interests in Hi-sec - the total numbers might as well be made up out of whole cloth. No. We can still say with complete certainty that the number is much larger than the 30% (actually 34.7%, but it's not as round and easy to remember). Why? Because we know for a fact that these people have alts in highsec, and we know for a fact that the GÇ£highsecGÇ¥ players do not have corresponding low/null alts, because that would mean they're not highsec players by very definition. Highsec player is an exclusive category (the whole point of being a highsec player is that you're only in highsec); low/nullsec are inclusive categories (just because you're in low/null doesn't mean you don't have a highsec alt for various convenient purposes). Thus we know that the highsec category can only ever lose members and the number can only ever go down as potential members fail to adhere to that exclusivity.
Quote:And the assumption your making, is that the number of players residing in Hi-Sec *don't* have an equal number of alt accounts - thereby totally cancelling out the "low/0.0" alts numbers. No, because the assumption I'm making makes the alts of highseccers irrelevant because we're not counting how many are in that exclusive category GÇö we're counting how many are not. That's the whole beauty of an exclusive category: it gives you a hard upper bound and an easy way to whittle that number down. The alts of the highseccers do not cancel anything out GÇö they're already counted and are irrelevant for the number we're interested in. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Destru Kaneda
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
46
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Posted - 2012.05.03 20:41:00 -
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Puma man, he flies like a moron. http://minmatar.eve-kill.net/ http://binaerpilot.no/ GMU d-(---)pu s+++:-- a-- C++++$ U>+++ P+ L+ E---- W+++$ w PS+++ PE-- Y++ PGP-- t+ tv-- b+ D++ G e- h r++ y+* |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
115
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Posted - 2012.05.03 20:47:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:30% Null? No. 30% low/null. Quote:Again, since we *can't* know the total break down of people/accounts/characters who have interests in Null, or those who have interests in Hi-sec - the total numbers might as well be made up out of whole cloth. No. We can still say with complete certainty that the number is much larger than the 30% (actually 34.7%, but it's not as round and easy to remember). Why? Because we know for a fact that these people have alts in highsec, and we know for a fact that the GÇ£highsecGÇ¥ players do not have corresponding low/null alts, because that would mean they're not highsec players by very definition. Highsec player is an exclusive category (the whole point of being a highsec player is that you're only in highsec); low/nullsec are inclusive categories (just because you're in low/null doesn't mean you don't have a highsec alt for various convenient purposes). Thus we know that the highsec category can only ever lose members and the number can only ever go down as potential members fail to adhere to that exclusivity. Quote:And the assumption your making, is that the number of players residing in Hi-Sec *don't* have an equal number of alt accounts - thereby totally cancelling out the "low/0.0" alts numbers. No, because the assumption I'm making makes the alts of highseccers irrelevant because we're not counting how many are in that exclusive category GÇö we're counting how many are not. That's the whole beauty of an exclusive category: it gives you a hard upper bound and an easy way to whittle that number down. The alts of the highseccers do not cancel anything out GÇö they're already counted and are irrelevant for the number we're interested in.
A Null Bear would be torn into little pieces in Low Sec and the wolves would then spit up his corpse cause it was unworthy of being devoured. Unless he is rolling with the 24/7 1000 Capital Ship blob hot-drop crew.
The small pirate bands and "lone wolfs" in low-sec do no want to be considered "the same" as Null Seccers.
They are not the same. They are not even remotely the same and you are basically lying to call their interests "the same" as a Null Bear.
If they can make it in Low Sec then they COULD be in a Null Sec Alliance IF THEY WANTED TO BE.
So again, stop with the lying.
I know, why don't you do a poll on how "cool" Low Seccers think Blob warfare is.
NOTE: Collapsing space into one point with instant teleports for massive capital fleets is an example of extremely poor design. |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
142
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Posted - 2012.05.03 20:49:00 -
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Destru Kaneda wrote:Puma man, he flies like a moron. Not sure what this was in response to, but I approve nonetheless. +1 in local |
Commander Lurch
One Horse Trading
3
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Posted - 2012.05.03 20:52:00 -
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I agree eith the OP. I'm shutting 3 accounts after 6 years - this game has lost any depth and is becoming nothing more than a bunch of pew-pew. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6372
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Posted - 2012.05.03 20:53:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote:They are not the same. They are not even remotely the same and you are basically lying to call their interests "the same" as a Null Bear. Good thing that I'm not doing that, then. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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