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Blue Harrier
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Posted - 2012.05.23 13:44:00 -
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Soniver Rozaklis wrote:Blue Harrier wrote:That is what my son said last night just before he canceled his account, something I never thought for one moment he would do. No fanfare just close his client looked at me and said 'I get paid real money to bugfix and code suff at work I don't want to come home and do the same to relax'
He then opened the account management and closed his account and he has been playing for around 5 years. So what ? It's totally unreasonable behavior. As i said above, it reminds me : "Mom, they broke my toy, i hate them and don't want to see them again !". Reasonable person would just wait and calm down before doing such decisions. No itGÇÖs not GÇÿUnreasonable BehaviourGÇÖ it seems to be the only thing CCP understands and takes notice of. He closed his account not to GÇÿthrow his teddies out of his pramGÇÖ but because he has watched me along with many others do something you canGÇÖt seem to be bothered to do
We do go on the test servers, we do find bugs and we do report them, we also in as constructive a way as possible let the Devs know if something is not correct for the player base in general or wont work unless modified.
Most of this GÇÿwork and timeGÇÖ we provide for free because we like the game and do it without fame or looking for a gold medal we just do it. Like CCP we donGÇÖt always get things right but at least we try.
You should also remember that some of us who play this game have been in computing far longer than some of the jumped upstarts who give their opinion so freely. IGÇÖm retired now but was working with computers long before most on here even knew what a computer was and without the likes of us you would not even have the game to play.
This new UI was a needless change to a problem none of us knew existed and were quite happy to use the way it was designed. You think itGÇÖs a good idea, that is your prerogative, others who use it have different ideas, it is just not a suitable solution for everyone. Everyone who plays Eve has their own way of setting up their user space, something the old way was good at, this new UI is trying to force everyone to use their user space the same way.
I know you are a GÇÿTrollGÇÖ and this reply is a waste of my time and effort but I thought your words were ill thought and required rebuttal.
Anyway, fly safe and enjoy you new UI.
"You wait - time passes, Thorin sits down and starts singing about gold." from The Hobbit on ZX Spectrum 1982. |
Pierced Brosmen
Priory Of The Lemon
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Posted - 2012.05.23 13:46:00 -
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Soniver Rozaklis wrote:Well i am developer in RL and i know how paying customers can be pain in ass. You can hardly ever to satisfy them, they will always just see errors and things than could be better. So now when i am on other side, i know how it's hard for them have it and i know that yelling at them is not really solution. It just slow things down and some real issues and suggestion from here are easily lost in that spam in here. So, as a RL developer, are you in favour of releasing features to the public when they aren't ready for public consumption. Just bechause you want to make a deadline? Especialy since it is a feature that affects absolutely all players regardless of what they do in game.
The biggest issues with the UI isn't the UI in itself (atleast not for me), but it's bugs and utter lack of customization to make it work to the preference of many players (wich in turn makes it feel and handle worse then it did with the old UI)... This was pointed out repeatedly in the test server forums ever since it was first made available for testing.
Personaly, I would rather have CCP iron out the bugs and make it work properly first and then put it on TQ in a point release, then the current policy of releasing unfinished work and then try and fix it while the player base is raging/quitting |
Kylar Amilupar
Amilupar Hightech Prime
0
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Posted - 2012.05.23 13:55:00 -
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Marisol Shimaya wrote:Sorry tho say this that new looks on the inventory is terrible looks and I want the old looks back
And it's big mess too and it's crap too
It's so bad choice of this new looks
I also want to have the old looks back |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
671
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Posted - 2012.05.23 13:57:00 -
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Hey dudes, CCP Soundwave is taking feedback HERE:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1344868#post1344868
He's also asking a relevant question about POSes. EVE is Serious Business: You shall not feel entitled to being allowed to play EVE just because you are paying it. |
Chokichi Ozuwara
Royal One Piece Corporation Deadly Unknown
146
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Posted - 2012.05.23 13:59:00 -
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CCP Arrow wrote:TL;DR: We believe you Then why did you release broken stuff that players don't like?
Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round. |
Krystyn
Serenity Rising LLC Vanguard.
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Posted - 2012.05.23 14:07:00 -
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First you give us Captain's Quarters that none of us wanted. I was looking at a door for many months. Now you cram all of my inventory windows and every other kind of window into one annoying window that I don't remember wanting either. What is the next thing I don't want and don't care about that CCP is going to give me?
Hmm...unsubs a few of my accounts...nothing thanks CCP
I hope diablo 3 is good
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Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
209
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Posted - 2012.05.23 14:13:00 -
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Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:CCP Arrow wrote:TL;DR: We believe you Then why did you release broken stuff that players don't like?
Hello Chokichi. May I ask where Arrow said this? I am very interested in every statement from this guy, who is responsible for this mess. Thanks. |
Tiger's Spirit
Troll Hunters INC.
128
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Posted - 2012.05.23 14:26:00 -
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Pierced Brosmen wrote:Soniver Rozaklis wrote:Well i am developer in RL and i know how paying customers can be pain in ass. You can hardly ever to satisfy them, they will always just see errors and things than could be better. So now when i am on other side, i know how it's hard for them have it and i know that yelling at them is not really solution. It just slow things down and some real issues and suggestion from here are easily lost in that spam in here. So, as a RL developer, are you in favour of releasing features to the public when they aren't ready for public consumption. Just bechause you want to make a deadline? Especialy since it is a feature that affects absolutely all players regardless of what they do in game. The biggest issues with the UI isn't the UI in itself (atleast not for me), but it's bugs and utter lack of customization to make it work to the preference of many players (wich in turn makes it feel and handle worse then it did with the old UI)... This was pointed out repeatedly in the test server forums ever since it was first made available for testing. Personaly, I would rather have CCP iron out the bugs and make it work properly first and then put it on TQ in a point release, then the current policy of releasing unfinished work and then try and fix it while the player base is raging/quitting
Agreed, this is the first and important thing. If their release should be fine, almost all player should be satisfied. But when someone release a half developed stuff, the playerbase dont like it. No one want to hard fight against their inventory system in the game, they just want some fun and play. No one want to get anger from inventory. And inventory is a very important part of game if not working fine, the game is ruined. This inventory irritating peoples who want to play, and this errors need long time to fix until will work fine.
That's means more annoying times for players. And what would be do the annoyed players ??? They wont waiting for fix just go away and leave this game. This is why not really smart thing to releasing out a software in alpha state. CCP did a mistake when they released this inventory system, because this system need at least more 1-2 months developing time to working well. We are not alpha testers, we are players. |
Chokichi Ozuwara
Royal One Piece Corporation Deadly Unknown
150
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Posted - 2012.05.23 14:30:00 -
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Callidus Dux wrote:Hello Chokichi. May I ask where Arrow said this? I am very interested in every statement from this guy, who is responsible for this mess. Thanks. Couple pages back. Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round. |
MamCieZjemCie
Processor Co Rolling Thunder.
6
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Posted - 2012.05.23 14:47:00 -
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Ok list of things CCP broke this time.
1. Hangars/Corp Hangars in station close after undock 2. Hangars/Corp Hangars in station don't remember there last position 3. Item, Ship, Corp hangar, Delivery hangar buttons are missing 4. Hangar name on tab is not seen now.... some junk added before it resulting in names being out of this tiny tab
5. Corp POS storage don't open in last closed place 6. Opening new POS storage close old one 7. Can't acces Corp hangars at POS... only way to do so is to find it from list of 150-200 positions
8. If your autopilot got to system where you have destination station, if you warp by hand to station not restarting autopilot, then it won't dock
List of things CCP broke earlier and havent fix yet.
1. Hitting Dock button without enought cap for whole warp will stop you half way 2. Mission "Read Details" info don't remember position where were last time open
PS. Those things are broken, those arent changes, for changes you can count new filter's, left side item window tab or Est. price of goods in hangar |
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galrizian
TROTTERS INDEPENDENT TRADER'S
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Posted - 2012.05.23 15:06:00 -
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Soniver Rozaklis wrote:Are you really people so hot headed ? Some thing has changed and it's quite different from what you were used to. That's true, is that really reason to start quiting ? Every change is painful from the start, but it WILL eventually sort out for most of us. You just need to be patient and look at it from objective point of view not like: "mom, they broke my toy, i hate them !".
no... the point is mate ... that this is something wich is realy anoying when you have lots of stuff... this inventory hasnt made anything easier....... its just messed everything up and now it takes 10 times longer to sort stuff out than it used to :) |
galrizian
TROTTERS INDEPENDENT TRADER'S
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Posted - 2012.05.23 15:14:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:Our UI people have been on a tear lately, reshaping EVE's many interfaces and making the experience of using them a lot more pleasant. Please read the latest on your user friendly EVE future in this blog from CCP Arrow and CCP Optimal.
a lot more pleasant ?????????????????????? a mssive pain in the arse you mean right ? |
Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
209
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Posted - 2012.05.23 15:16:00 -
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I want to suggest, that every one who hates the new UI set CCP Arrow and CCP Optimal to -10 and sends him the notification. Maybe they will THAN see, what they had done wrong.
Make this crap optional or trash it at once. |
Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2012.05.23 16:00:00 -
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log in after downtime, new ui refuses to show my ships or items. can't defend myself as i'm unable to enter any of my combat ships as they aren't showing up in the inventory window yet i can search for them on the assets menu and it clearly states they're in the station i'm docked in.
any chance you could NOT introduce unwanted features that aren't even working in the future? |
Zora stein
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.05.23 16:04:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:Our UI people have been on a tear lately, reshaping EVE's many interfaces and making the experience of using them a lot more pleasant. Please read the latest on your user friendly EVE future in this blog from CCP Arrow and CCP Optimal.
Fire them for failure this UI sucks |
Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. Cascade Imminent
3
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Posted - 2012.05.23 16:10:00 -
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Callidus Dux wrote:I want to suggest, that every one who hates the new UI set CCP Arrow and CCP Optimal to -10 and sends him the notification. Maybe they will THAN see, what they had done wrong. Make this crap optional or trash it at once.
haha i've just seen the screensots on the blog... old ui you can clearly see the background and the actual game, then the second screenshot the new ui takes up the whole screen...
and they thought being able to see less was a good idea? ccp must have had a good party that we weren't invited to and they must have been passing some thing around... |
Alice Krysta
Symbol Of Chaos
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Posted - 2012.05.23 16:19:00 -
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EVERY TIME U GUYS TRY TO INTRODUCE SOMETHING NEW IN THIS GAME U **** SOMETHING UP,
THIS UI IS RLY ****** UP, THE UI WAS GOOD AS IT WAS DIDN'T NEED ANY ADJUSTMENTS, GIVE US BACK THE OLD UI AND U CAN TAKE THIS ONE AN SHUV IT IN THE BROWN HOLE ....
I KNOW THIS WILL PROLLY BE CLASSIFIED AS HATE ..
BUT THIS ******* UI MADE ME MAD AS HELL .. THE OLD UI WAS JUST PERFECT ...
MAKE THE OPTION TO SELECT BETWEEN OLD UI AND NEW UI, ITS SAME DEAL AS U GUYS DID WITH CAPTAIN;S QUARTERS, YES WE WANT SOME, BUT WE ALSO LIKE AND LOVE THO CHOSE WHAT WE WANT
STOP SHUVING DOWN UR THROUGHTS EVERTHYNG U GUYS DO ... LET US CHOOSE WHAT WE NEED AND LIKE...
COMMUNISM IS KINDA OVER LIKE AGES AGO ...
Thank you ! |
Taka Tao
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.05.23 17:31:00 -
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Bad Bad CCP, this inventory management is a nightmare and unwanted. Keep giving us these kinds of unnecessary resource eating (Pilots Lounge BS) stuff and me and my friends will go back to WoW. Roll It Back. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Villore Accords
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Posted - 2012.05.23 17:38:00 -
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UI Feedback http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiN7LEtKze4
Just scratching the surface really. Im sure hte new UI is an improvement for people who have just installed the game. HOWEVER, to people like me who have had layouts far better than the default window positions for years its a HUGE slap in the face and detracts from every single task that requires moving items around or fitting ships.
END THIS MADNESS. MAKE IT OPTIONAL. |
Lord Addi
Space Junkiez League of Extraplanetary Gentlemen
2
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Posted - 2012.05.23 18:43:00 -
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... inventory is now gay... with the exception of travelling 2 jumps in a cargo ship to pick up a modual i just skilled i havnt done anything, havnt seen any of the missile updates or anything cos i just dont have have the energy after work to fuk about trying to figure the inventory...
my home station has like 20 ships and 18 station containers in... finding things is a nightmare. all my ships have odd random names and because i cant see a image it took me ages to try and remember what i called my cargo ship..
WHY would you add this without adding a option to turn it off!? |
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Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.23 18:47:00 -
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Lord Addi wrote:... inventory is now gay...
Both my Toon and RL persona now hate you personally.
The UI Inventory is BAD. Gay is NOT bad.
Grow up and welcome to the 21st century you 12 Year Old Barbarian you.
addendum: and someone needs to erase your one pathetic Like. I think that God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability. In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Kemal Ataturk
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.23 18:53:00 -
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Fabulousli Obvious wrote:Lord Addi wrote:... inventory is now gay... Both my Toon and RL persona now hate you personally. The UI Inventory is BAD. Gay is NOT bad. Grow up and welcome to the 21st century you 12 Year Old Barbarian you. addendum: and someone needs to erase your one pathetic Like.
Is your mustache a way to express yourself? Do you like the new UI? |
Ad'Hakim Tahous
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2012.05.23 19:04:00 -
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CCP Arrow wrote:Hey folks.
I just wanted to restate what we said in the Dev blog for the Unified Inventory that we wanted to get feedback from those that use SiSi in order to address problems that would occur. We intended on following heavily up on the feedback, doing as much as possible before launch as well as doing even further iterations and fixes in the upcoming release. Team Game of Drones is committed to a new methodology of using the principals of User Centered Design, where the User Experience of our players drives our design decisions.
Not only did we collect all feedback from the Forums, personal posts, Twitter comments and other sources but we took the issues many of you like Grey Stormshadow, Tippia and other have been pointing out and created a User Testing plan which we facilitated last week. In the sessions the whole team observed the live feed and took notes on everything the participants did. We don't do User Tests because we don't believe you when you say there is a problem, we want to address it correctly and by seeing it in action with our own eyes, we can more easily find a solution to the problems you have found.
Once we had collected all the date from the tests we created stories and design updates which have either already been submitted to the next SiSi build, or we are actively working on or have been put into our backlog of work stories which we will address as priority stories before we start working on other features for next release.
I'm sorry if people that have given us feedback have felt we didn't listen in the past few days, I hope this post has re-instated that we actually listen and act accordingly and have simply been doing nothing else since the release of our blog. In the future, when we go through the feedback and create User Testing plans, we will make sure we reply to all the different discussion threads on the forums where we read the feedback, so that you all know that the feedback has been read, noted and addressed.
Thank you all for the feedback, you help us make better features and a special thanks to those that have gone above and beyond by bringing us very detailed and accurate constructive feedback, it does make a world of a difference for us.
Hello CCP Arrow:
The new system detracts from game play, introduces needless and unproductive activity, and functions as if those writing the code have never played the game. The new system is beyond annoying. The new system is fail for most players.
Maintain it if you will. Maintain it if your supervisors are determined to ram it down our throats. Maintain it as if whatever CCP believes should be displayed is the way we want it displayed.
However, you and your superiors have a challenge. IF you believe that we should have greater latitude to customize interfaces to our liking, then you and your superiors are tasked to add a very simple button next to the one for CQ:
OPT OUT |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
61
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Posted - 2012.05.23 19:11:00 -
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Today patch just made it a little better for me, you know windows opening closing resizing yadayada.
This simple fix makes it immediately easier for general purpose, however it's still messy when it comes to multiple containers. Less clicky but still cliky fest
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Logicycle
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
8
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Posted - 2012.05.23 19:28:00 -
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Unified Inventory still sucks. |
Maul555
Nuts and Vindictive Remix Technologies
98
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Posted - 2012.05.23 20:58:00 -
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Soniver Rozaklis wrote:Callidus Dux wrote:NO! NEVER!! This does not work. I had a overview of a list, sortet according meta level in my station container named LOOT. If I want to setup this again; ALL MY WINDOWS have the list, sorted according Meta level of the items. What is this ****? Burn this fugg and fire CCP Arrow! As I stated on january.. THIS IS A IDIOTIC IDEA! I think you don't understand one thing. There is small arrow that allows you to hide whole tree, so than it looks mostly like old window just with cargo capacity and extended filters.
Soniver, Are you just F****** Stupid? |
Maul555
Nuts and Vindictive Remix Technologies
98
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Posted - 2012.05.23 21:04:00 -
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I will probably be moving out of WH space because of this change. I may have to shut down my highsec POS too.... Basically an entire corp shutting down.... I cannot deal with this ****. I think I will just withdraw for a while, I have better **** to do. This game is not fun anymore. I was literally screaming at my f****** screen just trying to mine. 10 f****** years CCP! 10 YEARS!!!! You are killing "permanent" customers. I am soooooo not happy right now its not even funny. |
Xzen Drix
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.05.23 21:24:00 -
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Unified Inventory is still a bloody pain
The patch soundet good but what a disapointment...
It still don't remeber where one had the windows before undock and still leaves the air dock when one undocks.
Takeing alot of fun out of the game (LOOSING GAME TIME) when one has to deal with this Unified Inventory more like Unified Inconvenience.
Missions ain't fun any more cause one knows that one has to "deal" with this s**t when one docks up....
and WH experience of this Unified Inconvenience I can't begin to explain the grife it's doing...
My tought and heart goes out to all you other EVE playes that lives in 0.0, Low, WH and High Sec cause this is dark times, the afterwake of the Inferno that hit New Eden May 22nd 2012 has burned our beloved Inventory as we knew it, and the chances of the golden days return is grim...
I forsee more darkness ahead as ripple effects in the wake of this Inferno.
Thanks for all the good time think this may be the end of my subscription will go hunt for a place where the people are heard and improvements are improvements.
Xzen Zening out |
Ar13
Shadow Veil Industrial Shadow Directive
2
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Posted - 2012.05.23 21:43:00 -
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CCP The New Inventory System is really a pain.
Just give us a option to use the old method until you figure out how to do it properly.
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Rapheal BloodReaver
Bob Hope Foundation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.23 21:45:00 -
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the new Inventory system is very cumbersome and unuser friendly... the old system allowed the user to separate windows and this one may bring all inventories together ..but does not allow you to permanently separate them ... so if you want to click on your ship inventory while flying and you have the main inventory screen attach to chat window ... it will always come up in that window ... no matter if you separated them .... so if you shift and mouse click ... it only separates them for that time ... once you x it out ...it will have to be redone ... in the old system you did not have to do that ... and another thing ... if you want to move a item over and the amount is over what you can carry ... you must first separate the screen then move the item ... if not will not allow that even if you shift move .... I personally do not like the new inventory system ... and if they keep it ,,, the user should have the capabilities to permit separate inventory menus... not just a temp separation .... old inventory system was better and more user friendly ... ... but the bomber look awesome as well as the new launchers .... |
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