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Eacham Graeme
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.04.07 04:03:00 -
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It's been a long time since I've checked into this particular subject and I frankly got tired of reading page after page of propoganda and assorted BS to keep reading the old posts, so I thought I'd just ask here and sort through what I'm sure is to come.
1. Are there any legitimate outfits out there who are running Merc contracts?
2. Is there any group out there who can operate as effectively in 0.0 as in High Sec.?
3. Is longevity and history more important, or are there some good upstart merc corps out there?
4. Is price really a consideration when taking a contract?
Thanks for your time...
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Hans Gates
Repo Industries R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2009.04.07 05:23:00 -
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1. Sure there are, lotta folks like to get paid to shoot peeps they otherwise would only be able to in 0.0 or low sec. 2. yes, several, all depends on the objectives and how much isk you have. 3. History is important, finding the right mercs for the job is also up to you. Not all can handle the jobs you might need. Some don't shoot POSs, some blob (ok some denial of the targets play time, but in the end it's your isk), some don't go 0.0, some only go 0.0, you need to match the merc for the job. 4. It's your isk, I have seen mercs who will dec for the war dec cost, some for flat rates and some for pay per kill... Again you need to make sure you are getting your isks worth. Check their killboards, some have incredibly high kill/loss ratios, but are they killing as much as they can or just ganks? Check against battleclinic.com to verify kills/losses are posted, might give you more insight on the activity and real numbers of kills (on contract or off).
Always ask around. Good mercs will be recommended by previous clients, they will let you know what to expect and how/if the objectives were completed and if it was worth the isk spent.
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.04.07 06:10:00 -
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Awww.. I was hoping no one would answer this after he pretty much asked to be trolled..
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Noir.
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Posted - 2009.04.07 06:13:00 -
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1. Yes, several. Noir., of course , Duty., and Neo Spartans come immediately to mind. 2. Sure. We do training ops in 0.0 between contracts. 3. Everyone's gotta start somewhere. New mercs tend to be bargains, because they want to get a solid client list and references. Established ones command higher rates, but you tend to know they can do the job. 4. In the end, you get what you pay for, but as with everything in EVE, caveat emptor. Make sure you have an arrangement you can live with.
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.04.07 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Eacham Graeme 1. Are there any legitimate outfits out there who are running Merc contracts?
2. Is there any group out there who can operate as effectively in 0.0 as in High Sec.?
3. Is longevity and history more important, or are there some good upstart merc corps out there?
4. Is price really a consideration when taking a contract?
To echo Jim (but not quite ;p)
1. Ya for sure. Noir. and Duty. both have excellent records on the integrity end of things. 2. Noir. is the only current active which does 0.0 as good or better than empire/lowsec. 3. Some of the new ones show promise but it's generally better to go with a proven track record. Upstarts tend to be lower priced though; i would think about which is more important to you certainty or cost 4. For upstarts and Privateers, no. For full-time professional corps it most certainly is. Though pay method varies as Hans mentioned (some like flat rate, others like a % or pay per kill), the mercs need to think it's going to be worth their time. ---
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Jim GNARKILL
Gnarkill INC
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Posted - 2009.04.07 15:07:00 -
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i cant believe you guys, you forgot about GNARKILL :(
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Nathan Harrow
Caldari Duty.
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Posted - 2009.04.07 15:28:00 -
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Edited by: Nathan Harrow on 07/04/2009 15:28:54
Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde
To echo Jim (but not quite ;p)
1. Ya for sure. Noir. and Duty. both have excellent records on the integrity end of things. 2. Noir. is the only current active which does 0.0 as good or better than empire/lowsec. 3. Some of the new ones show promise but it's generally better to go with a proven track record. Upstarts tend to be lower priced though; i would think about which is more important to you certainty or cost 4. For upstarts and Privateers, no. For full-time professional corps it most certainly is. Though pay method varies as Hans mentioned (some like flat rate, others like a % or pay per kill), the mercs need to think it's going to be worth their time.
Pretty much this:
Reputation is everything in the merc business so those that dont get a good one wont last long.
Privateers are good choices for decs larger than 100 members as they will usually run it for the price of the dec, for your intimediate sized corps, corps like Duty. Noir. Attomic Battle Penguins, Attomic battle bunnies are all worth their salt.
Generally you get what you pay for - flat fees are the norm as in our experience its better to give an upfront figure as the client knows what he has to pay - nothing worse than doing TOO well and the client running out of money...
Alliance decs, pos take downs etc usually cost an added premium depending on the size/frequency. IMO always agree an upfront figure before agreeing on a contract, and never pay more than half upfront - there are of course, those who operate differently.
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cr8rmakr
Seppuku Warriors
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Posted - 2009.04.07 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: cr8rmakr on 07/04/2009 16:03:20 As was said, former clients are a good source of info for satisfaction of a client, but don't forget former targets. Fwiw, I wouldn't ever want Privateers and their kindergarten level but jr. high school vocabulary smack represent any corp I was involved with, even if the contract is supposed to be super sekrit squirrel stuff. Having had the opportunity to face Duty this past week, I can attest to their competency and professionalism during an empire contract. Hell, it was actually both fun and educational for my corp. Hats of to you gents.
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CrimsonLobo
Caldari Galaxy Punks
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Posted - 2009.04.07 16:49:00 -
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I heard GNARKILL are not taking contracts, they are pretty beast
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Noir.
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Posted - 2009.04.07 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Jim GNARKILL i cant believe you guys, you forgot about GNARKILL :(
Well, if Gnarkill's in the picture:
1. No. 2. No. 3. No. 4. No.
There you go. :)
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Whoreza
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Posted - 2009.04.07 17:06:00 -
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I can confirm that Duty. made my insurance agent groan every time he saw me walking up to the counter with a dazed grin, a charred flight jacket and the control stick of my latest smoking wreck in hand.
Thoroughly decent guys too, no smack -- great chat.
+1 would die again.
-- hawza
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Eacham Graeme
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.04.07 19:57:00 -
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Thanks to those who gave me honest, thoughtful answers. I do appreciate it.
My Best,
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Galan XIII
Forty Two
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Posted - 2009.04.07 20:20:00 -
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The best Mercs in Eve atm are Atomic Battle Penguins, Second best and largest are Repo, but best bang for your buck are definately ABP. Even Repo are afraid to fight ABP. The rest are a complete waste of your time and isk.
To prove who is the best of the best, I would be happy to pay for war dec fees for anyone wanting to prove who is the best. A battle royale if you would, most damage done and most kills can claim to be the best mercs as of today. Any Takers?
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Noir.
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Posted - 2009.04.07 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Galan XIII The best Mercs in Eve atm are Atomic Battle Penguins, Second best and largest are Repo, but best bang for your buck are definately ABP. Even Repo are afraid to fight ABP. The rest are a complete waste of your time and isk.
To prove who is the best of the best, I would be happy to pay for war dec fees for anyone wanting to prove who is the best. A battle royale if you would, most damage done and most kills can claim to be the best mercs as of today. Any Takers?
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Duncan Tanner
Gallente Noir.
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Posted - 2009.04.07 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Galan XIII The best Mercs in Eve atm are Atomic Battle Penguins, Second best and largest are Repo, but best bang for your buck are definately ABP. Even Repo are afraid to fight ABP. The rest are a complete waste of your time and isk.
To prove who is the best of the best, I would be happy to pay for war dec fees for anyone wanting to prove who is the best. A battle royale if you would, most damage done and most kills can claim to be the best mercs as of today. Any Takers?
The most established merc corps that are still active are: Atomic Battle Penguins, Duty., Privateers, REPO, and Noir. Although there are several smaller or less well known merc corps who can also get the job done.
I'd agree that, at the moment, ABP are the best at empire war decs. However there are several other merc corps who can be just as effective at empire war decs but also offer POS takedowns and 0.0 contracts. Neither of which ABP will accept, afaik. REPO accept POS takedown contracts and Noir. accept 0.0 and POS takedown contracts.
Going back to an earlier post by a corp mate, I'm not sure if the Neo Spartans are still mercs. I think they took one or two contracts and went back to piracy. ---------
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Alexis Acantha
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Posted - 2009.04.08 01:15:00 -
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hmm.... if cost is not an issue, and absolute destruction is your aim, I suggest talking to someone from Guiding Hand Social Club(GH-SC)Those guys are legendary and merciless.
Quote: I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible |
Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.04.08 01:37:00 -
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Originally by: Alexis Acantha hmm.... if cost is not an issue, and absolute destruction is your aim, I suggest talking to someone from Guiding Hand Social Club(GH-SC)Those guys are legendary and merciless.
So does this mean that Guiding Hand are getting back in to.. you know.. logging in and playing the game? (jokes! please don't gank me)
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.04.08 01:57:00 -
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Atomic Battle Penguins are hands down the top empire merc corp. I dont agree with their tactics, but from an employers perspective you cant beat their record or performance.
REPO>Noir.? I dunno about that one In the two occassions we've been handed the same targets around the same time, it's not been the case.
But as was said, they are much larger than any other mercs, with more of a focus on the big gunz including a huge cap fleet. If i had to take an honest guess, I'd say REPO is better for POS takedowns than any merc unit currently out there.
Basically, the market has developed in a way that each of the main units offers something unique. Noir. does 0.0 and 23/7 combat, Duty. has a beast EU time zone and low rates, Privateers will war dec large groups for cheap, ABP are empire warfare specialists, and REPO has the highest concentration of firepower on the market. While we are in competition with one another, it's a healthy, friendly competition and there is alot of mutual respect between the units and the leadership.
That's how I see it anyway. ---
Zombie Apocalypse Guitar-Wielding Superteam |
Ren Seboal
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Posted - 2009.04.08 02:16:00 -
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Well, if we are going to rank merc corps, 1. ABP 2. REPO 3. Noir 4. The rest
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Kathnar
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Posted - 2009.04.08 02:26:00 -
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Hi there!
I would like to offer my Merc services. My 50m isk fee is small for the services rendered. Contact me in-game and we can cut a deal!
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Preppa Atch
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Posted - 2009.04.08 03:08:00 -
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Hi. I've been war decced at one time or another by all of the names above, except duty, some multiple times.
All merc roam empire and patrol trade hubs in small gangs. They have to do this, thats where the good kills happen. For hunting soft targets like this, any merc corp will do. This is the easy work. This is the work that pays the best because it involves the least risk. This is also the type of work that trims the fat off corps and alliances, in a way that can be beneficial to them.
If you want mercs that can put up a good fight for a decent remote rep gang, maybe harm morale, or hurt a corp or alliance wallet with reimbursement costs because ships are lost on organized mandatory ops instead of solo carelessness, theres only 2 merc corps that are worth your consideration: ABP or repo. ABP for smaller engagments, or repo for larger ones. They will bring the fight even to competent opponents if you are willing to pay to pay for it. Do not let a strong forum presence fool you, ABP and repo are the only truly professional merc outfits out there.
There is also GHSC, but theyre in a class of their own and I have no personal experience with them and would like to keep it that way. |
Shinma Apollo
Shut Up And Play
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Posted - 2009.04.08 03:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jimer Lins
Originally by: Galan XIII The best Mercs in Eve atm are Atomic Battle Penguins, Second best and largest are Repo, but best bang for your buck are definately ABP. Even Repo are afraid to fight ABP. The rest are a complete waste of your time and isk.
To prove who is the best of the best, I would be happy to pay for war dec fees for anyone wanting to prove who is the best. A battle royale if you would, most damage done and most kills can claim to be the best mercs as of today. Any Takers?
*insert posturing about own corp here*
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
Let's not go near moderation discussion.
However, if the excuse involved role-playing Zorro, this did get full marks for creativity
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Noir.
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Posted - 2009.04.08 04:48:00 -
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Originally by: Preppa Atch Hi. I've been war decced at one time or another by all of the names above, except duty, some multiple times.
All merc roam empire and patrol trade hubs in small gangs. They have to do this, thats where the good kills happen. For hunting soft targets like this, any merc corp will do. This is the easy work. This is the work that pays the best because it involves the least risk. This is also the type of work that trims the fat off corps and alliances, in a way that can be beneficial to them.
If you want mercs that can put up a good fight for a decent remote rep gang, maybe harm morale, or hurt a corp or alliance wallet with reimbursement costs because ships are lost on organized mandatory ops instead of solo carelessness, theres only 2 merc corps that are worth your consideration: ABP or repo. ABP for smaller engagments, or repo for larger ones. They will bring the fight even to competent opponents if you are willing to pay to pay for it. Do not let a strong forum presence fool you, ABP and repo are the only truly professional merc outfits out there.
There is also GHSC, but theyre in a class of their own and I have no personal experience with them and would like to keep it that way.
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Noir.
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Posted - 2009.04.08 04:52:00 -
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Originally by: Shinma Apollo
Originally by: Jimer Lins
Originally by: Galan XIII The best Mercs in Eve atm are Atomic Battle Penguins, Second best and largest are Repo, but best bang for your buck are definately ABP. Even Repo are afraid to fight ABP. The rest are a complete waste of your time and isk.
To prove who is the best of the best, I would be happy to pay for war dec fees for anyone wanting to prove who is the best. A battle royale if you would, most damage done and most kills can claim to be the best mercs as of today. Any Takers?
*insert posturing about own corp here*
Hey, if we're posturing.... *strikes a pose*
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Alpha Dragh
Caldari Gemeinschaft interstellarer Soeldner
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Posted - 2009.04.08 15:43:00 -
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1. Mercs are "cool" and this profession / gaming style integrates well with EVE's overall atmosphere and even game mechanics. So yes, there are a lot of merc corps out there, some very well known like REPO and some of them only known by a certain "subset" of the gaming comunity.
For example, GIS is quite well known and has a reputation for being a good, professional merc corp in the German-speakers EVE world. That is mainly because we "employ" only german-speakers and a lot of our customers are German-speakers as well. However we are looking into expanding our customer base.
2. Merc business and 0.0 CAN be tricky because in 0.0 the wars are fought with large numbers and it mostly comes to numbers... Most merc corps wont be able to bring large CAP fleets to help turn the tide in battle. So, it depends on the job.. For example we are constantly training our pilots for 0.0 harassment/guerilla style operations. There is where good merc corps can come handy.
3. Longevity and history ARE important as in all kind of business, however good quality is not necessarily guaranteed by that. A good reputation is always a huge help.
4. Depending on the merc corp the price is just an extra bonus on top of the pvp action OR it is what keeps the corp financially alive. In theory the contract payment should be the main income of a merc corp. In practice, there are pvp corps working with industry alt corps in order to finance their pvp operations, thus making them dependent on them and maybe somewhat vulnerable in certain situations.
Alpha Dragh GIS PR Public Relations
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Cyrdax
Provehito In Altum
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Posted - 2009.04.08 18:09:00 -
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0.0 is a lot trickier than empire because the roe are significantly different. you should expect to pay substantially more to bring mercenaries into 0.0 than you would to hire out a corp in highsec ---[right]tv where the horn goes, boy can you top that? recruiting / contracting[/ri |
CrimsonLobo
Caldari Galaxy Punks
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Posted - 2009.04.08 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jimer Lins
Originally by: Shinma Apollo
Originally by: Jimer Lins
Originally by: Galan XIII The best Mercs in Eve atm are Atomic Battle Penguins, Second best and largest are Repo, but best bang for your buck are definately ABP. Even Repo are afraid to fight ABP. The rest are a complete waste of your time and isk.
To prove who is the best of the best, I would be happy to pay for war dec fees for anyone wanting to prove who is the best. A battle royale if you would, most damage done and most kills can claim to be the best mercs as of today. Any Takers?
*insert posturing about own corp here*
Hey, if we're posturing.... *strikes a pose*
Nice pose would watch again
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