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Lucas Edge
Caldari Infraction
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Posted - 2009.04.08 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: Lucas Edge on 08/04/2009 16:35:34 I lost an assault frig in gallente space and I just need clarification on the rules because I was killed by the federation navy.
First things first: My sec status is 4.81 and my gallente navy standings are -6.82 however diplomacy lvl 3 brings it to -4.80. Also, my corporation is NOT involved with FW.
Prior to being killed I was in Sharuveil (0.4 sec system) and I agressed a thorax at the belt. Obviously i took a minor sec status hit but I remain above 4.0. After the fight I went to a planet to ride out the global criminal countdown before returning to high sec (nausschie). Once all my flags had ended (player/corporation flag AND global criminal flag) I proceeded to warp to nausschie gate but when I jumped, I got a message saying I was an enemy of the gallente federation. I thought it was wierd since before the fight, I was not an enemy.
I quickly checked my standings but they never lowered to -5.0 so I figured it was a game error. So then I warped to the next high sec system (Trosquesere) and docked up, logged off for a few minutes, and then logged back on. After I logged back in I undocked to see if I still had the message which I still did. So I waited 20 seconds before requesting to be redocked at which time, the navy opened fire. I spammed the dock button for approximately 40 seconds but was never able to redock and then a navy BS appeared and WTFBBQ'd me. While trying to dock up I kept getting the message: "Setting course fo docking perimeter" even though I was in AF and within 0km of the station.
FYI - I first requested to be docked up at 15:55:54 and kept repeating docking requests for 40 seconds before being shot down. I never agressed the navy and never got any docking messages stating I am uable to dock up.
Asside from the obvious docking error, any thoughts as to why the navy shot at me? I really just want some clarification especially since they are still trying to engage me and I've made my new home in gallente space so this is gonna be a problem.
Thanks.
Cliff notes: Gallente navy destroyed my AF even though I had no global criminal countdown, -4.80 gallente standing (not-5.0), sec status of 4.18, and no other reasons that I can think of why they should shoot me.
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CrimsonLobo
Caldari Galaxy Punks
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Posted - 2009.04.08 16:38:00 -
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The system is bugged
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Lucas Edge
Caldari Infraction
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Posted - 2009.04.08 17:17:00 -
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Just an update... I am no longer an enemy so WTF?
Something I did must have sparked a criminal flag with the Gallente navy.
I also want to add something. After the fight, while I had a global criminal flag, I warped to a high sec gate but never jumped it because the gate guns opened fire. After the gate guns started shooting at me I then warped to the planet to ride out the criminal countdown. After all the countdowns had ENDED I then warped back to high sec.
So was I flagged by the Gallente Navy for a longer amount of time because the gate guns fired on me. Shouldn't this time during which I am flagged show up on the top left hand corner like every other countdown? Are we still thinking game error?
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H Lecter
Gallente The Black Rabbits Academy The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.04.08 18:07:00 -
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Your best bet is a petition mate
Good luck!
Originally by: Rells First of all, I wouldn't give you the sweat off my balls.
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VoiceInTheDesert
Zebra Corp Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2009.04.08 18:09:00 -
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My understanding is that it's -4.5.
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Lucas Edge
Caldari Infraction
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Posted - 2009.04.08 18:32:00 -
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Well I'm still at -4.8 Gallente Standing and the Navy is all of a sudden NOT agressing me. So somehow the fight caused the faction navy to agress me either out of intended game mechanic or game error. Either way I filed a petition so CCP can shed some light on the matter.
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VoiceInTheDesert
Zebra Corp Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2009.04.08 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Lucas Edge Well I'm still at -4.8 Gallente Standing and the Navy is all of a sudden NOT agressing me. So somehow the fight caused the faction navy to agress me either out of intended game mechanic or game error. Either way I filed a petition so CCP can shed some light on the matter.
I was once aggressed by faction navy when I had similar standing, so let me know how it works out for you. I was in a brut and managed to burn back to gate...barely...
Are you sure that you're near a faction police ship? If not, that could be why they're suddenly not attacking you.
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.04.08 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Lucas Edge Well I'm still at -4.8 Gallente Standing and the Navy is all of a sudden NOT agressing me. So somehow the fight caused the faction navy to agress me either out of intended game mechanic or game error. Either way I filed a petition so CCP can shed some light on the matter.
There's a hidden timer that you can acquire to station guns and gate guns. Sounds like you ran afoul of the 'Gall Fed' timer. If you show up in front of gate guns (or certain fed navy owned stations) while having a GCC, you can have a hidden 15 minute timer even if you didn't receive any damage from the guns. So you probably got rid of the GCC, but had some form of hidden timer to the fed navy. Jumping into high sec would have made the gate guns react, re-upping the timer.
Again, if you never actually took any damage, your UI would not post the timer up. But its still there.
Docking, probably re-upped the timer again.
Welcome to aggro timers 301 'The hidden timer conundrum'. I've always found it safest if you are not sure about your timers, to sit still..somewhere...anywhere..for 30 minutes. Out of sight of anyone, and anything. In dock is usually the best place to do this :)
PS: Station undock instas, even in high-sec systems, can save your behind in many ways. I suggest building up a queue of them if you're going to play around with all this factional warfare going on. Never try to re-dock immediately, the 30 second undocking session change. --
Remember: Carebears aren't people. They are giant flying piħatas.
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Lucas Edge
Caldari Infraction
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Posted - 2009.04.08 19:08:00 -
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The first time I warped to the gate while globally flagged, I did take massive damage from the gate guns forcing me to retreat to the planet until the globabl, faction, corporation flags ALL expired. When I can back to the gate, I waited for the guns to shoot me just to make sure the timers were indeed over. When nothing shot at me I jumped into high sec and then got the "enemy to Gallente Federation" message. During this time, no gate guns or station guns shot at me, just the faction navy.
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Clarice Starlinger
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Posted - 2009.04.08 19:22:00 -
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Edited by: Clarice Starlinger on 08/04/2009 19:22:24
Originally by: VoiceInTheDesert I was once aggressed by faction navy when I had similar standing, so let me know how it works out for you. I was in a brut and managed to burn back to gate...barely...
Are you sure that you're near a faction police ship? If not, that could be why they're suddenly not attacking you.
I went back to the same system where I dies to the gates and station so the police would have spawned if I was flagged. However now I am not for some mysterious reason.
EDIT: Damn freebee alts!!
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