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Overbrain
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Posted - 2009.04.12 08:09:00 -
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/signed please , it is ruining the game . So much that its like a "blocking spree" for me , when i get into either occupied systems or channels . Block doesnt work for them, because they quickly create a new character . So we dont really have a block option .
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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.04.12 12:07:00 -
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Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 12/04/2009 12:07:13 I rather like this approach (should have been posted in Features & Suggestions imho). Scamming well is an art form. The current scams are so mindless that they deserve to be weeded out.
I would liken it to the changes to suicide ganking - suiciding is still perfectly possible, but it takes a bit of effort and thought. This wouldn't stop scams at all, but it would make it more complex, requiring some effort on the part of the scammer.
I'm all for a cold & harsh world, where crime and scams and theft are possible. I just don't think they should be easy. Infiltrating and executing a corp theft is (or should be if they apply any effort at all) difficult, requiring some effort. I see no justification for scams being trivial to execute, regardless of whether they're easy to avoid or not. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties... Environmental Effects
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Karentaki
Gallente Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.04.12 12:45:00 -
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Solution to spam-scamming:
READ THE CONTRACTS! (yes, it's really that simple)
Quote:
EVE is like a sandbox with landmines. Deal with it.
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2009.04.12 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Karentaki Solution to spam-scamming:
READ THE CONTRACTS! (yes, it's really that simple)
Explain me EXACTLY how does this stop SPAM?
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Nalena Arlath
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Posted - 2009.04.12 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn
the scam spam actually causes additional lag in jita whether you read it or not. Jita is bad enough being the superhub.Spammers/scammers just make it worse.
This.
Also, how does it help the scam spammers when the local chat is flooded with their unintelligent scams and noone is reading it aside from other scammers? If you really wanted to scam someone, then you would want them to bother clicking your contract.
Most people who frequent Jita keep their local minimized in that system. I'm in Jita very often to do trades, and I don't think I have looked at the Local there for the past months.
I totally agree with the OP. Add some functionality to the local chat to prevent the additional scam spam on top of the already flooded "legit" offers in chat.
Only a scammer would QQ about a change like this. I don't care if you call yourself a market pirate or any other fancy self-proclaimed title you want to throw out there.
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Doctor Penguin
Amarr Celestial Ascension Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.12 18:49:00 -
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Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 12/04/2009 18:50:27 Scamming: Fine (although I personally find it exceedingly distasteful, I'm not going to stop somebody else from doing it).
Asshattery: Not fine
Please implement this. ________________________________________________
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Maikar
Gallente Solstice Systems Development Concourse Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.04.14 04:20:00 -
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Originally by: Doctor Penguin Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 12/04/2009 18:50:27 Scamming: Fine (although I personally find it exceedingly distasteful, I'm not going to stop somebody else from doing it).
Asshattery: Not fine
Please implement this.
I couldn't have said it better myself.
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Jogvan
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2009.04.14 12:59:00 -
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Scamming is an art, remove the stupid spam please !
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.14 14:36:00 -
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It isnt just local, many public channels are flooded with bots posting scam contracts. This crap needs to stop ---------------------------------------------
Originally by: Neth'Rae Military experts are calling this a troll.
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VoiceInTheDesert
Zebra Corp Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2009.04.14 20:04:00 -
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Not only do I not sign this, but even if it did happen, people would still be stupid and click on them anyway.
The problem is stupid people. You can't fix, patch or protect against stupid. Therefore, scammers will always make money.
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2009.04.14 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: VoiceInTheDesert Not only do I not sign this, but even if it did happen, people would still be stupid and click on them anyway.
The problem is stupid people. You can't fix, patch or protect against stupid. Therefore, scammers will always make money.
Learn to read (or at least learn to read OP). Problem is not SCAM but SPAM.
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Maikar
Gallente Solstice Systems Development Concourse Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.04.16 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: VoiceInTheDesert Not only do I not sign this, but even if it did happen, people would still be stupid and click on them anyway.
The problem is stupid people. You can't fix, patch or protect against stupid. Therefore, scammers will always make money.
Learn to read (or at least learn to read OP). Problem is not SCAM but SPAM.
Thank you. Again, couldn't have said it better myself.
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torN Deception
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.18 04:27:00 -
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Very simple solution: Get CCP to fix its ****ing contract UI so you can't simply add ,999 to the end of a price and prevent the (X millions/billions/etc.) from being appended to the price.
It's a huge bug/oversight and it's getting stupid because 99% of local in every major trade hub consists of morons spamming this stupid scam. Even if you're smart enough not to fall for it, it makes local unusable. |
Cadde
Gallente Gene Works Initiative Associates
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Posted - 2009.04.18 04:52:00 -
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Edited by: Cadde on 18/04/2009 04:56:36 Like the idea but it won't help. Since autolinks can be edited.
I can type "exotic dancer" and link it. Then re-write it to be "Maikar", the link still works but they expect to see a char named "Maikar" and get an exotic dancer. Also, as others mentioned. It's not the local that is broken, it's the contracting mechanic that is.
The best way to avoid the scammers is to not bother reading local, know what you are looking for and find it yourself with the search functionality. There is an order by price option after all, at least that works as intended.
EDIT: Oh and spammers... To stop spamming requires some sort of filter or prerequisite to local. It took huge companies YEARS to perfect it so that non-spam emails got through the filter while spam didn't. And it still required you to check what had been trashed from time to time to make sure nothing important got filtered because it contained the word "big" and "c**ckpit". Just an example!
My opinions belong to me, you can't have them!
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Quesa
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.18 05:07:00 -
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Edited by: Quesa on 18/04/2009 05:08:05 Scamming is part of the game.
I got a better idea.
How about you guys remove your heads from your collective rear ends and ignore scammers. You'd be amazed at how wonderfully quiet Jita local gets after 2-3 minutes of blocking.
It's just a part of the game, deal with it.
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Quesa
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.18 05:09:00 -
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Originally by: Cadde Edited by: Cadde on 18/04/2009 04:56:36 Like the idea but it won't help. Since autolinks can be edited.
The links he's talking about are like when you link a fleet invite.
In that case, you CANNOT edit the link.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2009.04.18 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: Quesa Edited by: Quesa on 18/04/2009 05:08:05 Scamming is part of the game.
I got a better idea.
How about you guys remove your heads from your collective rear ends and ignore scammers. You'd be amazed at how wonderfully quiet Jita local gets after 2-3 minutes of blocking.
It's just a part of the game, deal with it.
You heard him. Remove your heads from your ass and stick it in the sand instead. Sounds like CCPs time-honored tradition of "ignore the problem until it goes away"
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started. |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.04.18 11:28:00 -
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Just add a script to contracts that counts the digits and adds the magnitude as a word. So you'll have [hundred], [thousand], [million], [billion], [trillion], [quantigazillardillion] after the price.
Then this scam will only hit the completely blind and stupid and will be less profitable in overall, no matter how much they get spammed and no profit = waste of time, so the scam-apes will look for another fotm. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Maikar
Gallente Solstice Systems Development Concourse Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.04.18 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Quesa Edited by: Quesa on 18/04/2009 05:08:05 Scamming is part of the game.
I got a better idea.
How about you guys remove your heads from your collective rear ends and ignore scammers. You'd be amazed at how wonderfully quiet Jita local gets after 2-3 minutes of blocking.
It's just a part of the game, deal with it.
The scamming isn't an issue - the SPAMMING is. Read the OP. If CCP fixes it, we don't have to 'deal with it'.
Originally by: Quesa
Originally by: Cadde Edited by: Cadde on 18/04/2009 04:56:36 Like the idea but it won't help. Since autolinks can be edited.
The links he's talking about are like when you link a fleet invite.
In that case, you CANNOT edit the link.
What he said.
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torN Deception
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.20 03:46:00 -
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Originally by: Quesa Edited by: Quesa on 18/04/2009 05:08:05 Scamming is part of the game.
I got a better idea.
How about you guys remove your heads from your collective rear ends and ignore scammers. You'd be amazed at how wonderfully quiet Jita local gets after 2-3 minutes of blocking.
It's just a part of the game, deal with it.
The scammers are all newbie alts and constantly being recycled.
If CCP devs actually played the game, all they'd have to do is spend 10 minutes reading Jita local.
It can't be a hard fix, since the system already works with values that don't have a lot of significant digits. |
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Maikar
Gallente Solstice Systems Development Concourse Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.04.23 10:52:00 -
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CCP, can we get some feedback on your views here?
Honestly, local in market hubs is next to useless. You may as well make local just like constellation. That would solve EVERYTHING.
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Brun Thorvald
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Posted - 2009.04.23 11:28:00 -
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Edited by: Brun Thorvald on 23/04/2009 11:29:19 If New Eden was actually a harsh, cruel universe (*), then we could go for the Chris Flannery solution.
You don't know what happened to Flannery ? Well, neither does anyone else, except maybe Roger Rogerson.
"Flannery was a complete pest. The guys up here in Sydney tried to settle him down. They tried to look after him as best they could, but he was, I believe, out of control. Maybe it was the Melbourne instinct coming out of him. He didn't want to do as he was told, he was out of control, and having overstepped that line, well, I suppose they said he had to go but I can assure you I had nothing to do with it."
Of course, CCP being the carebears that they are, we can't sling some gunnie a couple of mill to silence the local-spamming pests.
I mean, Jita's a nice place. It'd be a pity if something happened to it.
(*) I live in Sydney. Recently, a bikie was bashed to death in our major airport. The security cameras, they saw nothing.
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Slave Yelena
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Posted - 2009.04.23 12:22:00 -
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I would like a function to halt local, in jita it is very very difficult to keep up with the blocking, what if you could "stop" local by holding down ctrl, much like you can with the overview? This would solve most scam-spam issues I have.
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puckohontas
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Posted - 2009.04.24 08:07:00 -
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instead of making it say 150,000,001 or so make it also say 150 million to or that way then people wont get scammed so easy
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Melissaxp
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Posted - 2009.05.02 15:14:00 -
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How about this. Your unable to post anything in local chat unless your undocked from a station. And also create a ship module that jams a targeted ship and prevents them from using local chat for 1 minute, 4 minutes to recharge the module, to prevent abuse, but would level the playing field a bit for everyone else and could add some fun to it all too.
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Maikar
Gallente Solstice Systems Development Concourse Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.02 15:36:00 -
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Edited by: Maikar on 02/05/2009 15:37:01
Originally by: Melissaxp Edited by: Melissaxp on 02/05/2009 15:18:32 How about this. Your unable to post anything in local chat unless your undocked from a station. And also create a ship module that jams a targeted ships communications transmitter and prevents them from using local chat for 1 minute, 4 minutes to recharge the module, to prevent abuse, but would level the playing field a bit for everyone else and could add some fun to it all too.
Lul, there would be a fleet outside Dodixie - Moon 20, just to gag Lilly Nova and all her variations.
That would reverse CCP's prior fix for clogged undocks. OR, they'd sit in a safespot spamming. Any idea how hard it is to find that one little noob ship in a market hub? :P
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Trimutius III
Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.02 15:40:00 -
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Edited by: Trimutius III on 02/05/2009 15:41:13 IMO any spamming should be punished. No matter if it scamming spam or spam of something else. Spam in local is really annoying. And Muting should be automatic IMHO. Something like muting bot that mutes player in local chat:
- for spamming same message for more then 6 times an hour. - for spamming same link in different messages more then 6 times an hour. - for writing messages more then 6 times a minute.
As a backstory it could be like muting by local authorities. Or it may work only in Empire Space and could be a muting by CONCORD. And message like: "CONCORD antispam bot has muted you for... bla-bla-bla..." where "bla-bla-bla" is reason for muting.
P.S. of course 6 is just for excample u may choose any other number. ------------------------------------------------- I am envoy from nowhere in nowhere. Nobody and nothing have sent me. And though it is impossible I exist ¬ Trimutius |
Nyota Sol
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.05.02 19:34:00 -
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Edited by: Nyota Sol on 02/05/2009 19:36:41 Edited by: Nyota Sol on 02/05/2009 19:36:15
Good idea in OP.
I think chars under a week old have no business even posting LINKS, let alone contracts.
Chars under 7-10 days:
- No links in chat
[*]No contracts [*]No multi-line chat posts
Or perhaps like somebody above says, auto-globally mute somebody new who posts the same link more than twice within 24 or 48 hours. TAKE EXTREME MEASURES on new characters for a while.
Instead of having metatheory design arguments, i think CCP needs to dramatically crack down on the capabilities of new characters and trial accounts.
Too much spam... and all the arguments rationalizing it are moot. ___________________________________________
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Arous Drephius
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.05.02 20:34:00 -
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If people stopped getting scammed then there'd be nothing to complain about.
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Trimutius III
Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.02 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Arous Drephius If people stopped getting scammed then there'd be nothing to complain about.
It will stop scam maybe... But not spam...
And also u are asking for impossible. Their is always stupid ppl that don't read specification. I think most of the people who posts here never even look that contarcts. but spam is really annoying... and also it generates additional lag as i think. And scaming spam isn't the only one type of spam. :) ------------------------------------------------- I am envoy from nowhere in nowhere. Nobody and nothing have sent me. And though it is impossible I exist ¬ Trimutius |
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