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Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:02:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:http://www.evenews24.com/2012/05/03/insight-the-other-cost-of-war/
BROKEN
it should work like this war decs start out at
xMillions of isks
and drop off 500,000 isk person in the corp.
because?
the more people you have the easier it is to defend.
i don't get whats so hard to understand?
your doing it the WRONG WAY ccp.
this is not stopping the grefing of small corps,
this is making them the only target of high sec war dec corps.
and in the same stroke making largest groups of players all most immune to the wardec system.
i found the word to describe it now.
incompetence
Well, aside from the fact they are putting an up-front cost of 50 million ISK on this, I think it is alright. Small Corps get Wardecced all the time as it is; why would you expect that to change.
..and anyway, changes to security status and crimewatch are going to result in 9x more suicide ganks than wardecs anyway, considering, (if I'm not mistaken), all you need do to boost your security status now is kill one of your alts after dropping him to less than -5.
No way that isn't going to be exploited.
So whatever, it gets more gank on. Corps like EVE Uni will be able to ISK-tank wardecs and anyone who is half smart will start looking at the possibility of moving from small corp to large alliance. Survival in numbers, and who knows, maybe that is what CCP is encouraging. Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6386
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:06:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:So whatever, it gets more gank on. Corps like EVE Uni will be able to ISK-tank wardecs and anyone who is half smart will start looking at the possibility of moving from small corp to large alliance. Survival in numbers, and who knows, maybe that is what CCP is encouraging. Well, that's the entire problem: we do know what they want to encourage GÇö meaningful wars. We also know what they want to discourage (or, in fact, completely remove): decshielding and decshedding.
What they're doing, though, is ensure that meaningful wars will be less likely than ever and that decshielding is the default mechanic for avoiding wars rather than, say, the threat of the fancy new merc marketplace they're introducing.
The design they've chosen pretty much completely goes against the stated design goals.
Quote:Small Corps get Wardecced all the time as it is; why would you expect that to change. Sure, but one could expect it to not change in a way that made sense and had some purpose, rather than make it the only way wardecs will be used. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
559
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:10:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:..and anyway, changes to security status and crimewatch are going to result in 9x more suicide ganks than wardecs anyway, considering, (if I'm not mistaken), all you need do to boost your security status now is kill one of your alts after dropping him to less than -5.
No way that isn't going to be exploited.
So whatever, it gets more gank on. Corps like EVE Uni will be able to ISK-tank wardecs and anyone who is half smart will start looking at the possibility of moving from small corp to large alliance. Survival in numbers, and who knows, maybe that is what CCP is encouraging. Oh no. I see where this is going.
Eventually the United Security Subversive Revolutiondot (USSR.) will then rise on the power of the common highsec carebear and steamroll us. Oh no, we can't let that happen.....
Guys, we need to stop this. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
FlameGlow
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
65
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:29:00 -
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Skydell wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Skydell wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Skydell wrote:One man Corps will now be characters that never undock and take Ore and reproc from a trade window, from an NPC corp alt.
You can't force PvP but keep trying, CCP. By all means, keep trying. Ban NPC corps. Wouldn't it be simpler to just cut the crap and remove High Sec? Highsec has a legitimate purpose, NPC corps do not. What purpose would that be? Blob is blob is blob. In a few years when every main is in a 20K Alliance and 70% are still in high sec, reflect on this day. I, for one, welcome our new highsec 20k carebear megaaliance overlords meat For mere 10 billion you can shoot pretty much any missionrunner/miner for a week and not lose ship to CONCORD? Hell yeah! Burn jita spent 150 billion on tornadoes, we'd save a ton if we could wardec everyone. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
560
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:39:00 -
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FlameGlow wrote:Skydell wrote: What purpose would that be? Blob is blob is blob. In a few years when every main is in a 20K Alliance and 70% are still in high sec, reflect on this day.
I, for one, welcome our new highsec 20k carebear megaaliance overlords meat For mere 10 billion you can shoot pretty much any missionrunner/miner for a week and not lose ship to CONCORD? Hell yeah! Burn jita spent 150 billion on tornadoes, we'd save a ton if we could wardec everyone. Not really. Unless you can prevent the freighters from being NPC corp alts.
Not really sure why NPC corps are so happy to take in any old freighter pilot and miner but that's the way NPCs think, I guess.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
808
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:41:00 -
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FlameGlow wrote:I, for one, welcome our new highsec 20k carebear megaaliance overlords meat For mere 10 billion you can shoot pretty much any missionrunner/miner for a week and not lose ship to CONCORD? Hell yeah! Burn jita spent 150 billion on tornadoes, we'd save a ton if we could wardec everyone. Plus they can't drop corp anymore. -A- will sate its lust for structure grinding by scouring Amarr space clean of research POSs. |
Gantz Tleilax
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
69
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:54:00 -
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CCP is not going to listen to change it, they are too busy buying $1000 pairs of jeans in Tokyo. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
563
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:55:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:FlameGlow wrote:I, for one, welcome our new highsec 20k carebear megaaliance overlords meat For mere 10 billion you can shoot pretty much any missionrunner/miner for a week and not lose ship to CONCORD? Hell yeah! Burn jita spent 150 billion on tornadoes, we'd save a ton if we could wardec everyone. Plus they can't drop corp anymore. -A- will sate its lust for structure grinding by scouring Amarr space clean of research POSs. Aww, if you need help, there's an FC who specializes in structure grinding. And he tells the BEST stories. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Conrad Makbure
Phoibe Enterprises
7
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Posted - 2012.05.04 17:26:00 -
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Individual sec status should have factored in as well. Cheap to war against a corp full of negative sec status and way expensive to war against a corp full of positive sec status. |
Ur235
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
29
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Posted - 2012.05.04 17:29:00 -
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Gonna post something I posted in another thread on this but no one seems to have read it so here goes
I like it tbh as long as CCP sorts the trial accounts and alt accounts thing out its a great idea. Wars should mean something and be for a proper reason not just to camp a gate or a station so we can kill a 30bill isk freighter with no resistance whatsoever. And if they do come and fight us we can just dock up not fight until they go away and get back to killing freighters and unlucky sods who end up in the wrong system at the wrong time because thats the only reason we wardeced them for.
It is worrying the effect it could have on smaller less expensive corps and alliances though, but at least they will be able to hire people to fight for them and alongside them. Never know some corps might pop up and do it for free. Also its worrying how RVB will be able to keep functioning if there wardecs are costing 2 bill or more a week at least they declare war on each other for good fights hmm |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1793
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Posted - 2012.05.04 18:05:00 -
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Ur235 wrote:Gonna post something I posted in another thread on this but no one seems to have read it so here goes
I like it tbh as long as CCP sorts the trial accounts and alt accounts thing out its a great idea. Wars should mean something and be for a proper reason not just to camp a gate or a station so we can kill a 30bill isk freighter with no resistance whatsoever. And if they do come and fight us we can just dock up not fight until they go away and get back to killing freighters and unlucky sods who end up in the wrong system at the wrong time because thats the only reason we wardeced them for.
It is worrying the effect it could have on smaller less expensive corps and alliances though, but at least they will be able to hire people to fight for them and alongside them. Never know some corps might pop up and do it for free. Also its worrying how RVB will be able to keep functioning if there wardecs are costing 2 bill or more a week at least they declare war on each other for good fights
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you mutually declare doesn't that end the payment cycle? Or does it just mean the war has to end in the surrender of one side?
It's been awhile since I had to worry about it. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1793
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Posted - 2012.05.04 18:06:00 -
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As has been pointed out, while there do seem to be issues the one positive thing I see is that there will be significant pressure for larger High Sec corps/alliances to form instead of the now common me and my alts corps we see now. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
71
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Posted - 2012.05.04 18:07:00 -
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The war dec should be based on corp age rather than size or something like that. The new war dec mechanics are dumb. 4.3 billion (per week) to war dec an alliance the size of Goons? Are you mad CCP or completelly lost the plot of the game? This is gonna kill two groups of people. The wardecking group waiting for the big alliances enter jita and the high sec pvp alliances.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
2340
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Posted - 2012.05.04 18:18:00 -
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Just in case someone actually doesn't already know this:
CCP Punkturis wrote:Camios wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:SoniClover stated earlier in this thread that the war cost formula on Sisi now is really old, we've updated it since internally and the new version should be on Sisi soonGäó Can you tell us the formula? We need to know it in advance so we can whine and protest or praise you as soon as possible. no we'll rather have you protest and whine about it without even knowing how it is it's in a dev blog that's scheduled to be posted late next week, but I'll ask SoniClover if wants to post it here too..
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