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Krazy Mary
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Posted - 2009.04.15 02:37:00 -
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So we keep our ecm strength bonus and getting some more, plus extra turret and drone bays, are these ships gonna rock now??
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Dik Dastardly
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Posted - 2009.04.15 03:33:00 -
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Is someone able to copy / paste the new details from SiSi, assuming its all on there as im at work and cant access the client and with all the numbers how they are it would be easier to read what its going to be to make better sense of it as the patch notes waffle lol
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Hiroshima Jita
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Posted - 2009.04.15 04:05:00 -
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Shorter range will be more painful than the stronger effect will be pleasurable.
The effect will be as if the demure girl you were dating suddenly got some breast implants, got naked, tied you down to her bed, and started shoving a large dildo up your ass.
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Smurphy1
I.M.M Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.04.15 04:15:00 -
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It could work only time will tell. I was looking at the new scorp bonus though and rough calculations I think you can jam from over 300km. Would need a lot of sensor boosters to lock that far though.
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Baron Aethon
Ostium Orci
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Posted - 2009.04.15 04:42:00 -
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Originally by: Smurphy1 It could work only time will tell. I was looking at the new scorp bonus though and rough calculations I think you can jam from over 300km. Would need a lot of sensor boosters to lock that far though.
I can see why your in IRC...
Think of a number between 0 and 250... any number, guess what. That
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Sera Ryskin
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Posted - 2009.04.15 04:52:00 -
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For fleets? They're crippled and now useless.
As an alt to ruin 1v1s? Not at all nerfed, and in fact boosted a bit.
Typically brilliant CCP balance decision, nerf the ship where it's balanced, boost it where it's overpowered. ==========
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Mutnin
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Posted - 2009.04.15 05:17:00 -
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Originally by: Hiroshima Jita Shorter range will be more painful than the stronger effect will be pleasurable.
The effect will be as if the demure girl you were dating suddenly got some breast implants, got naked, tied you down to her bed, and started shoving a large dildo up your ass.
I'm having trouble deciding if this is a good or a bad thing..
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LiNuXb0y
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2009.04.15 05:17:00 -
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On sisi my scorp (all skills at 4, optimal and strength rigs and 3 amps) has an optimal of 76km and a falloff of 59km with multis, however the strength has dropped from 7.4 so 5.9
With racials I get an optimal of 114km and falloff of 89km with a strength of 8.9, pre-patch optimal was 163km, 37km falloff, and strength of 11.1
Generally from 100km maybe 1 in 10 cycles jam, maybe less, where as pre-patch its more like 1 in 10 miss (this is for multis). For racials they jam more often, maybe 4/10 miss. So from tests seems miltis got a bit if a kicking, but racials are still alright
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.04.15 05:53:00 -
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Originally by: Hiroshima Jita Shorter range will be more painful than the stronger effect will be pleasurable.
The effect will be as if the demure girl you were dating suddenly got some breast implants, got naked, tied you down to her bed, and started shoving a large dildo up your ass.
...I'm thinking about asking a falcon out to dinner on friday
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Leeluvv
The Black Ops Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.15 10:16:00 -
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Edited by: Leeluvv on 15/04/2009 10:26:29
There is something missing from the Falcon, as I'm sure there are more changes than listed and the Rook has the same changes listed twice. I've edited the copied patch notes accordingly
http://www.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp
Falcon
* The Falcon has gained one addition turret slot. * A 10m3 drone bay / 10 mbit drone bandwidth has been added to the Falcon.
Err, what should this change be for the falcon?
* The ECM Optimal Range bonus has been swapped for a 5% Rate of Fire bonus to Heavy and Heavy Assault launchers per Caldari cruiser skill level for the Rook. * The ECM strength bonus has been increased to 30% per level on the Rook.
Rook
* A 25m3 drone bay / 25 mbit drone bandwidth has been added to the Rook. * 100 base hit points have been added to the shield of the Rook. * The ECM Optimal Range bonus has been swapped for a 5% Rate of Fire bonus to Heavy and Heavy Assault launchers per Caldari cruiser skill level for the Rook. * The ECM strength bonus has been increased to 30% per level on the Rook.
Other ships
* The ECM optimal bonus has been switched to 20% ECM optimal and falloff range bonus per level for the Scorpion. * The ECM strength bonus has been changed to 30% per level for the Widow * Stealth Bombers have had their role refocused to be anti-battleship role. They now equip siege missile launchers and use torpedoes instead of cruise missiles which allow them to inflict large volley damage against big targets and gain the ability to equip a covert ops cloak so can warp around whilst cloaked. In addition bombs have been made cheaper and the bomb launcher can now be equipped in any of the bombers high slots along with other changes to aid them. * Stealth Bombers now gain a bonus to fitting siege missile launchers instead of cruise missile launchers. * Stealth Bombers can fit and use a covert ops cloak allowing them to warp whilst cloaked. * Stealth Bombers now have a 15% bonus to damage for racial torpedoes per covert ops skill. * * Stealth Bombers now have a flight time and velocity bonus to torpedoes. The power grid and cpu fitting attributes have been adjusted for all Stealth Bombers. * The base velocity of Stealth Bombers has been increased. * Bomb launchers can now be fitted to any high slot on the bomber. * Covert cynosural fields can now be activated in cynojammed systems allowing black ops ships to jump or bridge other covert ops ships into the cynojammed system. * Black Ops ships have received an increase to their base scan resolution attribute allowing them to lock faster. * Black Ops ships have gained +100m3 to their cargo bay. * The Black Ops base jump fuel cost has been decreased from 400 to 300 units per light year.
Modules
* ECM Modules have had their base optimal and falloff ranges adjusted, the optimal range has been decreased whilst the falloff range has increased. * Signal Distortion Amplifiers have been changed to provide a bonus to both ECM strength and optimal range and their bonuses adjusted accordingly. * The Focused Warp Disruption script will no longer generate a visual bubble around a Heavy Interdictor as this was causing confusion. The script will still scramble within the correct area of effect.
== Sig to follow |
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Saietor Blackgreen
Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.15 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Sera Ryskin For fleets? They're crippled and now useless. As an alt to ruin 1v1s? Not at all nerfed, and in fact boosted a bit. Typically brilliant CCP balance decision, nerf the ship where it's balanced, boost it where it's overpowered.
Dont.
Base ECM strength was reduced. Effective ECM strength of Falcon, Rook and Scorpion got REDUCED. So Falcon is NOT buffed as 1v1 ruin tool.
ECM ships got a slight nerf and then realignment of roles. I think they are awesome now. --- |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.04.15 10:24:00 -
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New awesome rook is awesome!
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.15 10:29:00 -
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As a pirate, the ECM boats I now love more.
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Hrothgar Doran
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Posted - 2009.04.15 10:32:00 -
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Edited by: Hrothgar Doran on 15/04/2009 10:32:50
Originally by: Hiroshima Jita The effect will be as if the demure girl you were dating suddenly got some breast implants, got naked, tied you down to her bed, and started shoving a large dildo up your ass.
You speaking from experience there, eh, Hiroshima?
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Enden Assulu
Caldari Blood Money Inc. Blood Money Cartel
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Posted - 2009.04.15 10:51:00 -
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Playd with the rook on the test server the jamming range is a bit horrific but it can still jam and the drones are quite a nice addition. Although that 10m/3 bay on the falcon is totally useless
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FT Diomedes
Gallente Titan Industries Technology Team Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2009.04.15 11:00:00 -
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Edited by: FT Diomedes on 15/04/2009 11:00:24
Originally by: Enden Assulu Playd with the rook on the test server the jamming range is a bit horrific but it can still jam and the drones are quite a nice addition. Although that 10m/3 bay on the falcon is totally useless
It's not useless - it keeps the Falcon from recloaking if it has its drones out. In other words, it's worse than useless. ------------ Improvize. Adapt. Overcome.
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Morel Nova
z3r0 Gravity
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Posted - 2009.04.15 11:34:00 -
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Edited by: Morel Nova on 15/04/2009 11:33:58
Originally by: FT Diomedes Edited by: FT Diomedes on 15/04/2009 11:00:24
Originally by: Enden Assulu Playd with the rook on the test server the jamming range is a bit horrific but it can still jam and the drones are quite a nice addition. Although that 10m/3 bay on the falcon is totally useless
It's not useless - it keeps the Falcon from recloaking if it has its drones out. In other words, it's worse than useless.
hello falcon pilots, welcome to the wonderful world of crazy orbiting warrior IIs that refuse to dock up when you really need to cloak and GTFO :D
they could at least have given it a 15m3 bay :( Put in space whales!
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Johan Sabbat
R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.04.15 11:44:00 -
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Edited by: Johan Sabbat on 15/04/2009 11:45:07 The Falcon is dead, Long live the Rook
Hurrah!
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.04.15 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Morel Nova Edited by: Morel Nova on 15/04/2009 11:33:58
Originally by: FT Diomedes Edited by: FT Diomedes on 15/04/2009 11:00:24
Originally by: Enden Assulu Playd with the rook on the test server the jamming range is a bit horrific but it can still jam and the drones are quite a nice addition. Although that 10m/3 bay on the falcon is totally useless
It's not useless - it keeps the Falcon from recloaking if it has its drones out. In other words, it's worse than useless.
hello falcon pilots, welcome to the wonderful world of crazy orbiting warrior IIs that refuse to dock up when you really need to cloak and GTFO :D
they could at least have given it a 15m3 bay :(
In patch notes we see that drone scoop range has been increased from 1500 to 2500
but yeah 10m^3 drone bay, talk about completely useless...
I guess because it has less weapons, hp, speed and agility than the other force recons it also needs to have fewer drones.
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Rab See
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.04.15 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
In patch notes we see that drone scoop range has been increased from 1500 to 2500
but yeah 10m^3 drone bay, talk about completely useless...
I guess because it has less weapons, hp, speed and agility than the other force recons it also needs to have fewer drones.
Awww bubble, led me give you a cuddle, your poower fawcan. Nast nasty CCP, bibble bibble . . 8/ everyone |
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Ash Bringer
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Posted - 2009.04.15 13:25:00 -
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ok with all dps approach
3x neutron blaster t2 3x magstab 2x warrior t2 (in thorax hull for calculation purposes)
294 dps
make it 3 multispec ecm / 2 lse t2 / scrambler / MWD
rigs : shield extenders... and u have your new solo miner gank mobile.. Not very good as pilgrim as she cant shutoff tanks but better dps.
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Grimpak
Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. I.C.C Industrial Drive Yards
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Posted - 2009.04.15 13:46:00 -
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still say that simply decreasing the 20% str bonus to 15% str bonus and swaping the optimal to a falloff bonus was enough, but hey, gotta love CCP's sledgehammer. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
ain't that right. |
Grimpak
Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. I.C.C Industrial Drive Yards
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Posted - 2009.04.15 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Ash Bringer ok with all dps approach
3x neutron blaster t2 3x magstab 2x warrior t2 (in thorax hull for calculation purposes)
294 dps
make it 3 multispec ecm / 2 lse t2 / scrambler / MWD
rigs : shield extenders... and u have your new solo miner gank mobile.. Not very good as pilgrim as she cant shutoff tanks but better dps.
and will die twice as fast as a pilgrim when all the jammers fail ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
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BiggestT
Caldari Intergalactic Jesters Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.04.15 13:52:00 -
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WTF
I leave for say 2 months and I see all this weirdness?
My rook? Useful???
And I swear I'd never see the day stealth bombers got a cov ops cloak..
/me decides to leave again and see what happens next time EVE history
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Atsuko Ratu
Caldari Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2009.04.15 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: BiggestT WTF
I leave for say 2 months and I see all this weirdness?
My rook? Useful???
And I swear I'd never see the day stealth bombers got a cov ops cloak..
/me decides to leave again and see what happens next time
Gotta admit, CCP did a great thing to the stealth bomber. Is going from totally niche to being marginally useful; raven volley damage is gonna be fun :3
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Cade Morrigan
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.15 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Rab See Awww bubble, led me give you a cuddle, your poower fawcan. Nast nasty CCP, bibble bibble
Whatever your native language is, go back to speaking it, holy **** man. |
Cortana AI
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Posted - 2009.04.15 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Atsuko Ratu
Originally by: BiggestT WTF
I leave for say 2 months and I see all this weirdness?
My rook? Useful???
And I swear I'd never see the day stealth bombers got a cov ops cloak..
/me decides to leave again and see what happens next time
Gotta admit, CCP did a great thing to the stealth bomber. Is going from totally niche to being marginally useful; raven volley damage is gonna be fun :3
Stealth Bombers weren't too bad to start, a bit more defined role as of tommorow, won't be able to insta pop friggys but the warp cloaked and OMFGWTFBBQ alpha on BC and BS should be nice.
I think roaming gangs just became a whole lot more interesting, btw whats optimal on torpsfor SB now?
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2009.04.15 17:48:00 -
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Edited by: Omara Otawan on 15/04/2009 17:49:48
Originally by: Sera Ryskin
Typically brilliant CCP balance decision, nerf the ship where it's balanced, boost it where it's overpowered.
This, sadly. If you want to take down a group of say 5 BCs solo in a frigate, get a falcon alt now.
The only thing that could be a problem is you cant fit enough disruptors to point them all
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.04.15 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Rab See
Originally by: Malcanis
In patch notes we see that drone scoop range has been increased from 1500 to 2500
but yeah 10m^3 drone bay, talk about completely useless...
I guess because it has less weapons, hp, speed and agility than the other force recons it also needs to have fewer drones.
Awww bubble, led me give you a cuddle, your poower fawcan. Nast nasty CCP, bibble bibble
Time to create some forum alts and get the Tempest nerfed again.
Because I can.
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Lili Lu
Purveyors of Uber Research Valuables and Ships
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Posted - 2009.04.15 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ash Bringer ok with all dps approach
3x neutron blaster t2 3x magstab 2x warrior t2 (in thorax hull for calculation purposes)
294 dps
make it 3 multispec ecm / 2 lse t2 / scrambler / MWD
rigs : shield extenders... and u have your new solo miner gank mobile.. Not very good as pilgrim as she cant shutoff tanks but better dps.
Yep, the range reduction and possible necessity for multispec fits will be the only thing preventing the ecm strenght buff from making the ecm recons overpowered in a different way than they are now. ECM recon pilots will have to adjust their thinking, and frankly they will have more target selection than the Pilgrim because ecm doesn't care whether the target uses turrets or launchers.
A Scorpion will still have sufficient range, albeit in falloff, to be used in fleet fights. Ironically it might live longer as it will not be a constant irritant and thus not an automatic primary.
As a certifed "Falcon whiner" I am not satisfied with the "nerf". "Falcon nerf whiners" should take solace in that many "Falcon whiners" are not satisfied and worry that the ships are still too powerful. I think it did not address the effect of jamming in the right way. The jamming mechanic is still incredibly powerful in that it still leaves the target ship uselessly thumb sitting. Other EW afflicted ships still have options in a fight. Oh well at least ECM boats have been forced into the fray where they will die to numbers and mistakes in piloting (like every other recon has had to endure).
My Falcon/Arazu alt will still be using the Falcon over the Arazu. I will still not be flying my much weakened Rapier and Pilgrim. ECM recon pilots need to shut up and realize that they have now twice dodged bullets that connected with the ****pits of the other recons and are still lodged there.
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