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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.04.16 07:51:00 -
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So I just recently watched through the Firefly series, and loaded up to watch Serenity. Something caught my attention though in the first part of the movie. I've seen this thing no matter how many times, but I just realized that the entire Firefly 'universe' is based in a single solar system.
I guess I'm part of the Star Trek generation, and just assumed that Serenity was crossing the galaxy back and forth. But after a little research, it seems like I was completely wrong. All those planets, moons, and other locations ... are all in the same solar system. Apparently it's a BIG solar system with hundreds of celestial bodies, many of which are terraformed, but still.
I like that. It's that kind of feeling that I'd like to see in EvE, to be honest. Hundreds of planets, moons, belts, all in the same solar system. Heck, it makes me like Serenity a LOT more, and I thought I'd really liked it before.
I love 'realistic' science fiction. Well, 'realism' is always a matter of definition. But still.
Just thought I'd point that out, in case I wasn't the only one oblivious ...
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Stitcher
Caldari ForgeTech Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.16 07:58:00 -
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Yeah, wasn't it like a trinary system with a few dozen terraformed planets?
Not entirely sure how that works out to "realism" but it's certainly an unusual and unique setting. - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain. |
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.04.16 08:03:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher Yeah, wasn't it like a trinary system with a few dozen terraformed planets?
Not entirely sure how that works out to "realism" but it's certainly an unusual and unique setting.
Meh, most sci-fi treats solar-systems like chump change. All the real time of travel seems to come from the travel BETWEEN systems. Warp drive, faster than light, whatever.
In Serenity, there is no faster-than-light technology. So to travel between planets takes weeks or months. THAT, is what I mean by realism.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2009.04.16 08:22:00 -
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So you are saying you would like to spend weeks travelling between planets in the same solar system in EVE?
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. I.C.C Industrial Drive Yards
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Posted - 2009.04.16 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Originally by: Stitcher Yeah, wasn't it like a trinary system with a few dozen terraformed planets?
Not entirely sure how that works out to "realism" but it's certainly an unusual and unique setting.
Meh, most sci-fi treats solar-systems like chump change. All the real time of travel seems to come from the travel BETWEEN systems. Warp drive, faster than light, whatever.
In Serenity, there is no faster-than-light technology. So to travel between planets takes weeks or months. THAT, is what I mean by realism.
You should try The Mote in God's Eye by Larry Niven and some other guy. There all the travel time is spent in-system. Interstellar travel is instantaneous, but getting between jump points can take weeks. It's a nice change from regular sci-fi, and it also has an amazing story to go with it.
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F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
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Onus Mian
Amarr Kingfisher Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.16 09:06:00 -
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Firefly/Serenity rocks ----
Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too? - Douglas Adams
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Gabrialle
Amarr Sanctuary Logistical Industries Inc
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Posted - 2009.04.16 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: F'nog You should try The Mote in God's Eye by Larry Niven and some other guy. There all the travel time is spent in-system. Interstellar travel is instantaneous, but getting between jump points can take weeks. It's a nice change from regular sci-fi, and it also has an amazing story to go with it.
That seemed to get really boring toward the end, but I'd love to get my hands on the coffee machine...
I think eve systems are pretty fair as it stands a few are massive most are medium some seem to have only 1-2 planets.
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Xelios
Minmatar Broski Enterprises Avarice.
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Posted - 2009.04.16 09:15:00 -
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That was always one of my favorite things about Firefly. Well, that and everything else about it...
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BoinaAzul
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Posted - 2009.04.16 10:34:00 -
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I had never noticed this and I think it is... weird. Are you sure about this? I mean, how have you come to this conclusion? Does this mean that Earth is like... REALLY far away?
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Guei Long
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Posted - 2009.04.16 10:40:00 -
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they have to of left the star system at some point as last time I checked the Solar system wasn't trinary.
I guess the must of travelled by sleeper or generation ship before the firefly setting.
Like their cruisers though, look like flying castles in space with engines. Totally out there.
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Onus Mian
Amarr Kingfisher Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.16 10:57:00 -
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The Forever War triology gives a nice perspective on time dialation experienced by crews travelling near lightspeed. Everytime they get back to earth several centuries have past and society has changed, often radically. ----
Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too? - Douglas Adams
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Bish Ounen
Gallente Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.04.16 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: BoinaAzul I had never noticed this and I think it is... weird. Are you sure about this? I mean, how have you come to this conclusion? Does this mean that Earth is like... REALLY far away?
Yes.
If you watch Serenity they give you a bit of background right at the beginning. The primary planet of that system was colonized by a "sleeper ship" (Cryogenic stasis ship) hundreds of years ago, and then Humans spread out from there. So the System of the Firefly series and Serenity movie is NOT the Sol System, and we have no idea what is going on back on Earth. Fix the Wardec System! Upgrade the Probing System! |
Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2009.04.16 12:21:00 -
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OK ... I liked Firefly and finally got to see Serenity. They were entertaining for the things that Whedon is good at. Mainly characters and innovative writing.
He doesn't know squat about science or the military though ...
I noticed right away that they couldn't seem to make up their mind about whether or not they were in one star system. I seem to recall some mention of The Galaxy ... but I don't have the DVD's and aren't going to get them so ... I can't check on that.
The thing is ... just basic science says that there is a limited band around a systems star where water can be Liquid, Gaseous and Solid all on the same planet. Anyone who's looked at one of those little mobiles with the sun in the center and little arms holding all the planets should have a feel for that. I understood that as a child. The farther you get from the sun - the colder it gets - and unless you've got another planet or star out there that can serve as a heat and light source you're only going to have maybe two or three potential planets that are habitable without domes or something. Terra Forming doesn't help if you haven't got that heat/light source.
Thus ... the solar system postulated by Whedon & Co. is extremely unlikely.
Now - that isn't to say that you couldn't have one like that. I can easily imagine someone writing a novel or series of novels about such a place - with an explanation as to where the different heat/light sources are coming from.
You got nothing like that from either Firefly or Serenity. It was all about Characters - and Whedon does Characters very well.
He just doesn't know squat about either the military or science.
*shrug*
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Grek Forto
Malevolent Intentions Dark Solar Empire
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Posted - 2009.04.16 13:28:00 -
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Firefly <3
Originally by: Stitcher It's "Caldari", not "Caldarians". One Caldari, three Caldari, all the Caldari are doing Caldari things using Caldari tools in a Caldari way.
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Ginako
Southern Cross Empire
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Posted - 2009.04.16 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Super Whopper So you are saying you would like to spend weeks travelling between planets in the same solar system in EVE?
It would certainly create more of an intense feeling know that when you set course for a destination your literally weeks from support, repairs, or medical care if you get attacked.
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Onus Mian
Amarr Kingfisher Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.16 15:30:00 -
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Nice thing about Josh Wheden (Sp?) is that if you listen to the commentary on the series he doesn't even claim to know anything about science of whatever. He usually refers to bits on the ship a 'that spinny thing'. This was apparantly the first time that he allowed his actors so much freedom in their lines and behaviour while shooting scenes so they deserve as much of the credit as he does in making such an awsome series. ----
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TU144 TEPPOPNCT'CMEPTHNK
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.04.16 15:51:00 -
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did u notice they are studying a street map of central london on the bridge, whilst trying to decide where they were going to next....
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2009.04.16 16:04:00 -
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I recall reading, either a theory or a scientific fact (I really cant recall as its been some time) that in order for life to be supported an object must be X amount of distance from the sun. If I recall correctly, in order to determine the proper distance, one had to take the suns size and intensity into account. Any planet before this region, IE closer to the sun than it ought to be was considered far too hot for life to properly develop and anything beyond that region was too cold, meaning that life could only develop on an object within this ring around the sun (ie the orbit earth currently occupies).
Even though I really enjoy Firefly the above always popped into my head. If anyone could find the name of the above I would be greatful as it will likely bug the hell out of me for days until I can recall the name of whatever it was. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase:
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Onus Mian
Amarr Kingfisher Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.16 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei I recall reading, either a theory or a scientific fact (I really cant recall as its been some time) that in order for life to be supported an object must be X amount of distance from the sun. If I recall correctly, in order to determine the proper distance, one had to take the suns size and intensity into account. Any planet before this region, IE closer to the sun than it ought to be was considered far too hot for life to properly develop and anything beyond that region was too cold, meaning that life could only develop on an object within this ring around the sun (ie the orbit earth currently occupies).
Even though I really enjoy Firefly the above always popped into my head. If anyone could find the name of the above I would be greatful as it will likely bug the hell out of me for days until I can recall the name of whatever it was.
Alternatively the other way of saying it is life can only develop on a world that has liquid water. Theyr reckon some moons have liquid water under the surface due to heat generating by graviational tidal forces or something like that. ----
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2009.04.16 17:20:00 -
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The Worlds of Firefly seem also be heavily terraformed. Even if Water is not available as liquid it should be enough to have it available as Ice. Theoretically Humans could start massive greenhouse effects on the more distant worlds to heat them up. There is also the theoretical possibility to build massive gas lanterns, that produce massive amounts of heat and are fueled by nearby gas-giants.
Of course every one of these projects would be much greater then anything humanity build before, but this does not mean it is impossible.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2009.04.18 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Deviana Sevidon The Worlds of Firefly seem also be heavily terraformed. Even if Water is not available as liquid it should be enough to have it available as Ice. Theoretically Humans could start massive greenhouse effects on the more distant worlds to heat them up. There is also the theoretical possibility to build massive gas lanterns, that produce massive amounts of heat and are fueled by nearby gas-giants.
Of course every one of these projects would be much greater then anything humanity build before, but this does not mean it is impossible.
So in the future, Global warming is actually green. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase:
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TimMc
Gallente Brutal Deliverance
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Posted - 2009.04.18 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon The Worlds of Firefly seem also be heavily terraformed. Even if Water is not available as liquid it should be enough to have it available as Ice. Theoretically Humans could start massive greenhouse effects on the more distant worlds to heat them up. There is also the theoretical possibility to build massive gas lanterns, that produce massive amounts of heat and are fueled by nearby gas-giants.
Of course every one of these projects would be much greater then anything humanity build before, but this does not mean it is impossible.
So in the future, Global warming is actually green.
Global warming and cooling is a perfectly natural cycle, humanity is just speeding it up. Earth has a balance as all planets with life would.
And on topic of Firefly being non-scientific, all sci fi is bull**** for science. They also call it "the verse", short for the universe. However it is obviously just one solar system.
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Senyru Suru
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.04.19 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei If anyone could find the name of the above I would be greatful as it will likely bug the hell out of me for days until I can recall the name of whatever it was.
it doesn't seem to have a definate name (like the Suru Band, or something) although of all the ones mentioned in the link below, i like the Goldilocks Zone the best :) wikipedia: Habitable zone -- --- one day we're all gonna die, and then we'll see who's laughing! |
Legionos McGuiros
Caldari Novus Aevum Transport and Industries Novus Aevum
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Posted - 2009.04.19 13:32:00 -
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You have to remember when they talk about this habitability its for intelligent species, because so far the only intelligence we kno of (give you 2 guesses) needs water to survive.
There are plenty of examples of life that doesnt need liquid water to survive but they are mainly prokaryotic.
Oh and the habitable zone is not fixed, it varies depending on solar activity aswell as the type or class of star.
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