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Carebear X
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Posted - 2009.04.17 17:19:00 -
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Hi everyone. I am about 20 days until my Hulk, and my main has access to alliance controlled 0.0 space, so I reactivated my ming alt (Carebear X). Mining Veldspar in High Sec isn't that great, so I was thinking I could maybe make some more money in 0.0. My main could tank the rats in my Apoc. Would I still be able to make decent isk in 0.0 in a crappy retriever? And how?
Skill Sheet: http://eve-sheet.com/skills/Carebear_X
Thanks.
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ingenting
20th Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.17 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Carebear X Hi everyone ... Mining ... And how?
Thanks.
Sup obvious troll.
1. Lock 2. F1, F2 3. Dock 4. ??? 5. PROFIT
You're welcome. _________________ - "Welcome to EVE, remember to insu *BAAOOM*... Told you, newb."
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Sin Cleaner
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Posted - 2009.04.17 18:30:00 -
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Edited by: Sin Cleaner on 17/04/2009 18:36:07 Edited by: Sin Cleaner on 17/04/2009 18:30:17
Originally by: ingenting
Originally by: Carebear X Hi everyone ... Mining ... And how?
Thanks.
Sup obvious troll.
1. Lock 2. F1, F2 3. Dock 4. ??? 5. PROFIT
You're welcome.
I am just wondering if I could still make a good buck mining crap, even if I can't use the crystal yet. And would it be more profitable than Veldspar. I don't understand why people on the EvE-O forums have to be such asses :/ This is Carebears main btw.
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ingenting
20th Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.17 18:47:00 -
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Not if you mine crap.
Lookie here _________________ - "Welcome to EVE, remember to insu *BAAOOM*... Told you, newb."
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Clansworth
Good Rock Materials
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Posted - 2009.04.17 20:28:00 -
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The ship does not change how valuable a given ore is to mine. A retriever will mine the same m¦ of crokite as it will of veldspar. If crokite is worth more than veldspar, you will make more mining the crokite. This would hold true in a bantam, or any other ship for that matter.
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Carebear X
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Posted - 2009.04.17 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Clansworth The ship does not change how valuable a given ore is to mine. A retriever will mine the same m¦ of crokite as it will of veldspar. If crokite is worth more than veldspar, you will make more mining the crokite. This would hold true in a bantam, or any other ship for that matter.
I understand that, but a Hulk can use more strip miners, also it has a much bigger cargo hold. What I am asking is since I can't use the mining crystals for the high end ores, is it still worth it to mine in 0.0? |
ingenting
20th Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.17 21:17:00 -
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troll.
/thread _________________ - "Welcome to EVE, remember to insu *BAAOOM*... Told you, newb."
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Clansworth
Good Rock Materials
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Posted - 2009.04.18 09:30:00 -
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So the question you are really asking is 'Does mining 0.0 ore without crystals earn more than Veldspar with tech 2 crystals?' The answer depends on your prices, and has nothing to do with what SHIP you are flying. Compared to the Strip Miner I, a Modulated Strip Miner II with Tech 1 crystals mines 8.33% more. The MSMII with tech 2 crystals earns 16.67% more than the Strip Miner I.
So, if your 0.0 ore is worth more than 16.67% MORE than veldspar (which most/all 0.0 ore is) than it is better to mine. However, there are other factors involved, such as logistics costs and risk.
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hiwaydog
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Posted - 2009.04.18 11:06:00 -
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I would advise not mining in 0-0 until u get that hulk, but that's just me. Some food for thought: though you have an apoc there, there is no guarantee the rats wont come in and target your retriever anyhow, in which case that retriever is toast. Those 0-0 rats can easily insta-pop that paper thin retriever, whereas a hulk can fit enough of a tank to at least allow you to escape.
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Clansworth
Good Rock Materials
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Posted - 2009.04.18 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: hiwaydog I would advise not mining in 0-0 until u get that hulk, but that's just me. Some food for thought: though you have an apoc there, there is no guarantee the rats wont come in and target your retriever anyhow, in which case that retriever is toast. Those 0-0 rats can easily insta-pop that paper thin retriever, whereas a hulk can fit enough of a tank to at least allow you to escape.
If you tank with the apoc properly, a noob ship can be completely safe from the rats in a 0.0 belt. That is, of course, in K-Space 0.0... W-space is a different ballgame entirely...
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Ms Delerium
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Posted - 2009.04.18 18:25:00 -
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RETRIEVER SUCKS
One of the sucking aspects of the Retriever, is its absolute fragileness. Whatever rat would alphastrike you in that thing.
Now the Hulk is a complete different story. I suggest get in the Hulk before even enter lowsec
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ingenting
20th Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.18 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Carebear X is it still worth it to mine in 0.0?
*sigh*
1. check your strip miner yield 2. see my link in previous post 3. do math
we're not your personal calculator, you lazy bum! _________________ - "Welcome to EVE, remember to insu *BAAOOM*... Told you, newb."
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Nurmana
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Posted - 2009.04.20 08:28:00 -
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Edited by: Nurmana on 20/04/2009 08:29:21 if your space is safe, no roaming gangs around, and all, go for a hulk. the only bad things on a hulk is that its more expensive (but you have mined that very fast back) and bit slowfsh. with proper skills a hulk also has a great tank, much more yield, cargospace and a better dronebay. a retriever is much cheaper,and if it pops, its no biggie cost and loss-wise. but then you can as well use a covetor for that. but its very fragile... if you have bad luck, you simply get alpha-striked by some highend-battleship rats because they do lock you, but not your apoc, when new rats show up.
but yes, even a "crappy retriever" can make you some isk, just a covetor and a hulk can make you more. it also depends on your surroundings and infrastructure (npc station with 50% net refine? or just a pos, with next outpost 10 jumps afar?)
good luck
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Clansworth
Good Rock Materials
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Posted - 2009.04.26 16:09:00 -
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The point is, if you have an apoc tank, and you know what you are doing (don't shoot the rats), they will NEVER lock you. K-Space rats do not change targets once they are locked on it.
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Selvitarm
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Posted - 2009.04.27 09:17:00 -
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okay i have done research on this same topic as i have had offers to go to 0.0 and with the right skills u can rat 0.0 belts in a hulk but it has a lower yield per cycle than a normal hulk would but hey who realy cares when u get to tank the rats and kill them. but anyway on the to the real point of this dont take a retriever into 0.0 thats like putting a pod me sign on a character. As well the retriever just cant take a hit.
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PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
Gallente H A V O C
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Posted - 2009.04.27 18:19:00 -
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The real answer to your question should calculate lost revenue that that apoc pilot could be making RATTING those rats rather then sitting there tanking a spawn while you piddle away mining in a retriever.
The answer to that is... you guessed it- No.
Far better to sit in empire mining veld on a retriever account and ratting in 0.0
For my (somewhat low skills) its actually better to mine with miner 2s in an apoc then it would be using a retriever with Strip Miner 1s
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.04.28 08:01:00 -
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Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 28/04/2009 08:01:38
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If you tank with the apoc properly, a noob ship can be completely safe from the rats in a 0.0 belt. That is, of course, in K-Space 0.0... W-space is a different ballgame entirely...
And how would you insure the newly spawned rats target the apoc first, and not the retriever?
With great care, time ago, I found out how to Retriever mine trapped mission roids and survive to tell, but not how to "taunt" rats away off mining ships.
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ingenting
20th Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.28 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 28/04/2009 08:01:38
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If you tank with the apoc properly, a noob ship can be completely safe from the rats in a 0.0 belt. That is, of course, in K-Space 0.0... W-space is a different ballgame entirely...
And how would you insure the newly spawned rats target the apoc first, and not the retriever?
With great care, time ago, I found out how to Retriever mine trapped mission roids and survive to tell, but not how to "taunt" rats away off mining ships.
tanking means you dont kill them, thus no respawn. _________________ - "Welcome to EVE, remember to insu *BAAOOM*... Told you, newb."
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