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Doctor Penguin
Amarr Celestial Ascension Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.19 12:52:00 -
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Scamming, I'm fine with. It punishes stupidity and rewards cleverness.
Contract spamming local with these bogus things when all you want is to say hi on local whilst selling stuff, or even trying to use it to spot a nice contract? I'm not fine with that.
I know this has got a lot of support on other, non AH threads. I'm putting this here to appeal to this and the next CSM to implement a simple change that will destroy this mechanic:
1: The colour of the price changes from dark red to something much easier to read - a nice white. Green can still be used for negative prices.
2: The exact price is always displayed next to the price in numerals: IE for 199,999,999ISK it would display as "One HUNDRED and Ninety-Nine MILLION, Nine HUNDRED and Ninety-Nine THOUSAND, Nine HUNDRED and Ninety-Nine ISK"
3: Isk cents are always displayed on WTS contracts.
I've never fallen for this scam, for the record, but for traders, I can imagine this being highly irritating.
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Doctor Penguin
Celestial Ascension Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.19 12:53:00 -
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I, as a wholly independent body (along with my penguin crew, of course) support this proposal. ________________________________________________
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Dark Soldat
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Posted - 2009.04.19 13:04:00 -
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You got my support penguin
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GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.19 13:21:00 -
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If you're using local to search for contracts, you really deserve everything you get.
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Doctor Penguin
Amarr Celestial Ascension Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.19 15:22:00 -
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Which is a face load of spam.
It is sometimes nice to sit in local and talk to people - EVE gamers are usually a friendly bunch - and I can imagine that the guy that is really trying to sell his contracts on local is annoyed because all he sees is spam. This XKCD comic is a good way of putting it:
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/new_car.png
It's quite true, of course - not reading what the contract says is very stupid. Scamming should be possible, even if it just adds a sense of tension to the simple act of profiteering.
(Besides, proposal 1 should be proposed separately - that damn red text is impossible to read!) ________________________________________________
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.04.19 20:25:00 -
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This thread's a duplicate - please take it to the original. ----- Bloodmoney Incorporated is recruiting! |
Doctor Penguin
Amarr Celestial Ascension Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.19 22:28:00 -
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Actually it isn't - mine is a [Proposal] thread whereas that topic is just an [Issues] thread. But that's beside the point. ________________________________________________
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Kiara Nerora
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Posted - 2009.04.20 00:37:00 -
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It's actually a running joke in Dodixie local that everyone's amazed and dumbfounded when someone posts a legitimate contract link. I'm not saying remove scams (and have never been scammed - I read) but this one is just silly.
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Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
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Posted - 2009.04.20 01:00:00 -
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Originally by: Doctor Penguin 2: The exact price is always displayed next to the price in numerals: IE for 199,999,999ISK it would display as "One HUNDRED and Ninety-Nine MILLION, Nine HUNDRED and Ninety-Nine THOUSAND, Nine HUNDRED and Ninety-Nine ISK"
great solution... the code could be implemented in the client and no additional server traffic would be created.
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CrestoftheStars
Eternum Pariah
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Posted - 2009.04.20 09:18:00 -
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supported ___________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded |
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Noodly Appendage
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Posted - 2009.04.20 09:54:00 -
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Edited by: Noodly Appendage on 20/04/2009 09:54:13 supported, but in general, forbid linking of more than one contract in local per 30 minutes or so...
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Hyjinx McStagger
Elko Bail Bonds
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Posted - 2009.04.20 11:21:00 -
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supported It's a game, not a job! |
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.04.20 13:06:00 -
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Support for this. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
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Furb Killer
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Posted - 2009.04.20 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Neth'Rae Military experts are calling this a troll.
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Doctor Penguin
Amarr Celestial Ascension Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.21 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Noodly Appendage Edited by: Noodly Appendage on 20/04/2009 09:54:13 supported, but in general, forbid linking of more than one contract in local per 30 minutes or so...
I don't really like that idea - it would harm the genuine traders and the clever scammers. ________________________________________________
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Cyprus Black
Elitist Jerks Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.04.21 17:35:00 -
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I have to agree that it is getting out of hand. ______________ Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn. |
SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2009.04.21 19:13:00 -
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It should just round up 199,999,999 a 10% up or down it rounds out the number and reports it like.. (Almost 200 Million)
Round up to the nearest even million unit.
149,999,999 is "Almost 150 Million" Pretty easy even if they go, 149,000,999, it's still (Almost 150 Million)
Supported for Rounding up to nearest Million and reporting it.
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Nahor Noom
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Posted - 2009.04.22 06:51:00 -
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got my support, it's a cheap exploitation of the current contract system. "open your eyes, live the dream, manifest your life." |
Cherybol
Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2009.04.22 11:02:00 -
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As being directed to this thread from my post. I support this idea. Primarily for implementing a buffer to keep scammers from posting at ridiculous speeds in local chat.
All for scamming.
Not for spamming.
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Neo Omni
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Posted - 2009.04.22 13:51:00 -
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/supported.
The contracts will reach a point where they will become worthless. Honest traders in particular will be at a loss. Imagine a noob looking at the contracts fore the first time? I wouldn't look a second, that's for sure. The contract system will die if something is not implemented to control the spam and scams.
If you want to scam...go for it. But EVE doesn't necessarily have to make it easy for you. |
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Hurricane Carter
0ccam's Razor Nexus-Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.22 14:38:00 -
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OPPOSED
although I don't really entertain myself with scamming people or haven't been scammed YET like this, its a fair tactic, and if you can't be arsed to properly read the letters on your screen then you deserve everything you get.
People tend to GLANCE at things, hope CCP makes it into easely understood pieces of info and press the buy button. Just for once, actually READ properly what it say's on a contract and 99% of all these scams become useless |
Neo Omni
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.22 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Hurricane Carter OPPOSED
although I don't really entertain myself with scamming people or haven't been scammed YET like this, its a fair tactic, and if you can't be arsed to properly read the letters on your screen then you deserve everything you get.
People tend to GLANCE at things, hope CCP makes it into easely understood pieces of info and press the buy button. Just for once, actually READ properly what it say's on a contract and 99% of all these scams become useless
After reading 10-20 contracts, yes you tend to glance at things. "9999999999" is not easily understood without having to count the digits.
Memo: "10,000 trit cheap" Contract: "Trit x 1"
...is conflicting information.
So why bother with contracts at all then?
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Doctor Penguin
Amarr Celestial Ascension Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.22 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Hurricane Carter OPPOSED
although I don't really entertain myself with scamming people or haven't been scammed YET like this, its a fair tactic, and if you can't be arsed to properly read the letters on your screen then you deserve everything you get.
People tend to GLANCE at things, hope CCP makes it into easely understood pieces of info and press the buy button. Just for once, actually READ properly what it say's on a contract and 99% of all these scams become useless
You're confused as to the motive of this change. I want to see this removed to help get a spam free local in Jita and other trade hubs (for community and legit advertisers sake). I think that tackling the scam head on would solve this, as every spam-scam I've seen in Jita has been this scam. ________________________________________________
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.04.22 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Doctor Penguin You're confused as to the motive of this change. I want to see this removed to help get a spam free local in Jita and other trade hubs (for community and legit advertisers sake). I think that tackling the scam head on would solve this, as every spam-scam I've seen in Jita has been this scam.
Really? I don't look at Jita local much, but I seem to recall a fair number of "Navy Issue" Ravens and "100 million" tritanium being spammed as well, not to mention the old 10-for-1 scam. Besides, just because this is the one they're spamming now doesn't mean that they'll stop if it's changed, they'll just move to the next best. If I thought it'd deal with Jita spam I might be inclined to support it, but it won't. ----- Bloodmoney Incorporated is recruiting! |
Verys
The Black Ops Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.23 00:58:00 -
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The problem is not in the scam itself , i'm totally fine with scamming, but the problem that every single person in jita is trying it. There are like 20 people or so trying to do it and all but 1-2 never get any contracts through. It's more an annoyance as they all scam every 1-2 seconds (most of them are under my block list fortunately) but they keep popping up everyday because they think this time that player who blocked me suffered such a iq decrease by drinking so much alcohol that he will fall for it this time around.
To the scammers I request of them to be more original and don't just follow the fotm scam.
To OP sure why not this "new" scam has had so many followers that it inst funny any more and I see no harm of putting the number in exact words.
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qpod
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.04.24 21:13:00 -
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Karentaki
Gallente Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.04.24 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
Originally by: Doctor Penguin You're confused as to the motive of this change. I want to see this removed to help get a spam free local in Jita and other trade hubs (for community and legit advertisers sake). I think that tackling the scam head on would solve this, as every spam-scam I've seen in Jita has been this scam.
Really? I don't look at Jita local much, but I seem to recall a fair number of "Navy Issue" Ravens and "100 million" tritanium being spammed as well, not to mention the old 10-for-1 scam. Besides, just because this is the one they're spamming now doesn't mean that they'll stop if it's changed, they'll just move to the next best. If I thought it'd deal with Jita spam I might be inclined to support it, but it won't.
This, though tbh it is kind of bad UI design so I wouldn't object to the "Almost xxx" idea.
Quote:
EVE is like a sandbox with landmines. Deal with it.
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Nebulous
Salvage Junkies
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Posted - 2009.04.25 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Doctor Penguin 2: The exact price is always displayed next to the price in numerals: IE for 199,999,999ISK it would display as "One HUNDRED and Ninety-Nine MILLION, Nine HUNDRED and Ninety-Nine THOUSAND, Nine HUNDRED and Ninety-Nine ISK"
This TBH.
There really is no reason why all prices should not be displayed in numerals as described above, this is common practice even in rl when you write a cheque for example.
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Nebulous
Minmatar Salvage Junkies
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Posted - 2009.04.25 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Hurricane Carter OPPOSED
properly read the letters on your screen.
Thats one of the points the OP makes, there are no "LETTERS" as such, just numbers that have a similar effect to being snow blind.
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Fille Balle
TachyonTubbies Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2009.04.29 10:19:00 -
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I'm in favor of this. Btw I've never fallen for a scam myself, but it doesn't just affect traders, and it most certainly doesn't just affect local. I had a look on Navy issue ravens yesterday, and there where about 100 (no, I'm not being funny) WTB raven contracts priced at 1 - 1mil isk. I've read somewhere that the contracts system takes a heavy toll on the servers, and I'm sure 100 bogus contracts does not help, let alone all the poor sods having to filter through all those lame scam attempts.
/Signed with paw
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