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Terrus Valkin
Gallente ArmoredCore Armed Forces
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Posted - 2009.04.21 04:33:00 -
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"You have entered a quarantine area. This region is infected. Leave now. Violation of the quarantine will result in -"
"-missiles are armed, ready to -"
I've never heard stories of incidences like these ones, and I'm wondering if they might be a recent development. The above quotes appeared in Local upon spending a minute or so in the Quarantine Zone, a cosmic anomaly in an N432 wormhole. But... now I'm confused. Infected by what? Has anybody seen this before, or does anyone have any answers? My curiosity has been totally piqued. Below are some pictures:
Text in Local
Quarantine Zone itself.
The Oruzje Osobnyak, another strange cosmic anomaly.
This one's just shiny so I figured I'd post it. -CEO of AC-AF- |
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CCP Jasonitas
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Posted - 2009.04.21 13:18:00 -
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Who said that's Sleeper stuff? Looks like Talocan structures to me.
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Terrus Valkin
Gallente ArmoredCore Armed Forces
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Posted - 2009.04.21 15:10:00 -
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The Sleepers are the ones guarding the area and presumably threatening me, although the structures are Talocan. |
Borsek
Gallente A.A.A space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2009.04.21 15:16:00 -
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Hmm... Oruzje osobnyak - I'd roughly translate this to weapon storage, tho I don't speak russian (yes, it's russian as far as google goes)... ok, so Talocan = russian... or are you russian and just posted this in your own language?
Anything the quarantine zone was built for must be dead for eons already. So just the automated defenses remain. Or maybe a computer virus being transmitted (affecting only Talocans or smth. |
Yoshito Sanders
Amarr Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2009.04.21 19:05:00 -
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I'm guessing the infection refers to the Sleeper Drones. |
Mr Reeth
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Posted - 2009.04.21 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Yo****o Sanders I'm guessing the infection refers to the Sleeper Drones.
Could be that. Could be anything.
It might help if we knew which party had sent the warning.
Although this might be the explanation for the lack of stargates in WH space... that's always bugged me.
Getting rid of stargates would be a good way to help enforce a quarantine.
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Aldrith Shutaq
Amarr Ordo Nigrorum Susurri Ordo Magna
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Posted - 2009.04.21 21:27:00 -
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System name/number please? Also, how deep into wormspace were you?
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CCP Dropbear
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Posted - 2009.04.21 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Borsek Hmm... Oruzje osobnyak - I'd roughly translate this to weapon storage, tho I don't speak russian (yes, it's russian as far as google goes)...
Google won't be much help there, actually. Neither will people who speak native Russian, in fact.
Quote: so Talocan = russian... or are you russian and just posted this in your own language?
I'm not Russian, and neither are the Talocan, so I guess...neither?
I suggest you guys think of the name like you would think of say...denim. The "Osobynak" is just a nod to the sorts of etymological quirks, like that, which exist all around us in the real world.
What the hell does that mean? Well, there was this city in Southern France called Nimes, and it was renowned for its textiles. There was one in particular, that became so popular it is still used today (i.e. jeans!). Its full name was "Serge de Nimes" - Serge being taken from the Greek "Serikos", meaning "Silken", and "de" in french meaning "of" or "from" ("The Silk from Nimes"). That name was eventually shortened to "de Nimes" and over time, became the "denim" you and I know.
If languages are just an extension of the living organisms that construct them, then it makes sense that words evolve in this way, along with their "hosts". What it means in this instance though...that's an interesting question.
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Julianus Soter
Gallente The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.04.22 15:04:00 -
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Still compiling info on these changes. Though it is very heartening to see an evolution of the Sleeper backstory info. Was worried things would be static for another five months. --- This post is not the official statement of my alliance or corporation.
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CCP Big Dumb Object
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Posted - 2009.04.22 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Dropbear
I'm not Russian, and neither are the Talocan, so I guess...neither?
I suggest you guys think of the name like you would think of say...denim. The "Osobynak" is just a nod to the sorts of etymological quirks, like that, which exist all around us in the real world.
What the hell does that mean? Well, there was this city in Southern France called Nimes, and it was renowned for its textiles. There was one in particular, that became so popular it is still used today (i.e. jeans!). Its full name was "Serge de Nimes" - Serge being taken from the Greek "Serikos", meaning "Silken", and "de" in french meaning "of" or "from" ("The Silk from Nimes"). That name was eventually shortened to "de Nimes" and over time, became the "denim" you and I know.
If languages are just an extension of the living organisms that construct them, then it makes sense that words evolve in this way, along with their "hosts". What it means in this instance though...that's an interesting question.
Right, magic. |
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Terrus Valkin
Gallente ArmoredCore Armed Forces
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Posted - 2009.04.22 19:18:00 -
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I'm compiling a list of odd messages, features, and descriptions of the anomalies and other things that I find in w-space. Dunno how useful it'll be, but it's fun to read. -CEO of AC-AF- |
Avaan Eclipse
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.23 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: Yo****o Sanders I'm guessing the infection refers to the Sleeper Drones.
This is not very likely, since that would make the message he got come from the Talocan structures, and they have no weapons to speak of, not that I've seen anyway. The sleeper drones, on the other hand, have plenty of missiles.
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Julianus Soter
Gallente The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.04.23 13:26:00 -
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Notice the trend. Talocan abandoned their ships. Talocan seem to be in structures. Sleepers defend structures, abandoned talocan technology. Symbiotic relationship of some kind? Sleepers aren't known for teleportation tech either... perhaps they mooched that off of the talocan in exchange for being their military force? --- This post is not the official statement of my alliance or corporation.
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Rho desh
Gallente Mnemonic Enterprises People for Organised Peace
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Posted - 2009.04.23 23:56:00 -
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Edited by: Rho desh on 23/04/2009 23:58:46 did you hold a cloak that is to assume you were cloaked when you took the screen shots.
Edit: Also looking at the shot of the text it's seems most of the message is missing - interest has grabbed my brain now.
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Terrus Valkin
Gallente ArmoredCore Armed Forces
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Posted - 2009.04.24 05:03:00 -
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I was holding cloak. I think it was automated based on my presence, not my actual appearance to the Sleepers. I wonder if the Sleepers would have paused until the final warning was displayed if I wasn't cloaked... -CEO of AC-AF- |
Avaan Eclipse
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.24 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Julianus Soter Notice the trend. Talocan abandoned their ships. Talocan seem to be in structures. Sleepers defend structures, abandoned talocan technology. Symbiotic relationship of some kind? Sleepers aren't known for teleportation tech either... perhaps they mooched that off of the talocan in exchange for being their military force?
This, coupled with the comment above about the lack of stargates jogged my memory. I seem to recall that the some (all?) Talocan structures have some kind of warp gate connected to them. I can't quite recall what they're called, but the description of them comments on that they are much smaller than empire stargates, which is a testament to the Talocan's superior astronautic engineering.
Looking at the pictures in the OP, it turns out that there is one of those gates in the second picture. It's the circular spiky strycture with the blue/teal cloud coming out of it, roughly in the center.
I see this as further evidence that there was a symbiotic relationship between Sleepers and Talocans.
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Terrus Valkin
Gallente ArmoredCore Armed Forces
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Posted - 2009.04.25 00:56:00 -
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No, if I recall right they were not related to stargates, they were related to acceleration gates. Albeit based on a different approach to the technology. -CEO of AC-AF- |
Yoshito Sanders
Amarr Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2009.04.25 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Avaan Eclipse
Originally by: Yo****o Sanders I'm guessing the infection refers to the Sleeper Drones.
This is not very likely, since that would make the message he got come from the Talocan structures, and they have no weapons to speak of, not that I've seen anyway. The sleeper drones, on the other hand, have plenty of missiles.
Well, the message appears to be broken. As if something (the Sleeper Drones) had attacked it and taken it over, infecting it.
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Cken1664
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Posted - 2009.04.25 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Yo****o Sanders
Originally by: Avaan Eclipse
Originally by: Yo****o Sanders I'm guessing the infection refers to the Sleeper Drones.
This is not very likely, since that would make the message he got come from the Talocan structures, and they have no weapons to speak of, not that I've seen anyway. The sleeper drones, on the other hand, have plenty of missiles.
Well, the message appears to be broken. As if something (the Sleeper Drones) had attacked it and taken it over, infecting it.
Message could have been from before the sleepers took complete control possibly takingover/destroying and defenses the Talocan structures may have had
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Alexi Kalashnikov
WormFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.25 22:28:00 -
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This is something I've been doing a lot of reading on. I really like this mysterious aspect to wormholes, who were the Talocan's and why the Sleepers etc. I have two main train's of thought:
1 - Sleepers are the K-Space equivalent of rogue drones who drove the Talocan's, an ancient civilization, into extinction. They ravaged ships, hulls, everything to further their sleepers. They infected and took control over everything and simply, now, exist.
2 - The Talocan's have evolved into the Sleepers (unlikely). Talocan's "upgraded" to stasis and these ships are the extension of them in that stasis.
I'm interested in hearing other people's thoughts on the matter. Again I am very curious about all of this and would like to know what other's have found.
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Avaan Eclipse
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.26 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Terrus Valkin No, if I recall right they were not related to stargates, they were related to acceleration gates. Albeit based on a different approach to the technology.
The acceleration gates were first built by the minmatar as a way of traversing their solar system, before warp drives came along. According to the Evelopedia, the Minmatar were experimenting with acceleration gates that could send ships across solar systems when the Amarr invaded and enslaved them.
Here's the exact quote:
Originally by: Evelopedia ... But the Minmatars never discovered how to build inter-stellar jump gates, so their acceleration gates were limited to their home system (where they still exist today). They had begun experimenting with much larger acceleration gates capable of sending ships between solar systems, but they never got a chance to build them before the Amarrians invaded and enslaved the Minmatars.
So the Talocan acceleration gates might just have had the same functionality as our stargates, just with another technology.
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Creed Demastikus
Bregan Dearthe United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.29 20:40:00 -
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"For those of you who can hear this, this is the end. May we be granted mercy.ö :( its sad.. i wonder talocans died because of some disease i forgot which race was speliazed on Genetic. /thought it was jovian ?/ and create some "Virus" agaisnt other 4 so its end for "Talocans"
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Siramar Thi
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Posted - 2009.05.08 06:41:00 -
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So, to the people who say they've collected quotes/data, when will you post/share the data?
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Rachel Silverside
Caldari K Directorate
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Posted - 2009.05.08 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: Terrus Valkin No, if I recall right they were not related to stargates, they were related to acceleration gates. Albeit based on a different approach to the technology.
so dibs inertialess drive -------------------- i play momorpugers |
Pesets
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Posted - 2009.05.10 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Borsek Hmm... Oruzje osobnyak - I'd roughly translate this to weapon storage, tho I don't speak russian (yes, it's russian as far as google goes)... ok, so Talocan = russian... or are you russian and just posted this in your own language?
"Oruzje", depending on how you read it, could sound similar to "оружие" (weapon[s]/armament[s]), but "osobnyak" means something similar to "mansion", not "storage". Whatever etymological paths led to this term, they sure are long and complicated, because "weapon mansion (in space)" doesn't make much sense to me at all... it may not have been russian specifically, could be polish/serbian/some other slavic language, but i doubt it makes much more sense in any of them.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.05.10 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Pesets
Originally by: Borsek Hmm... Oruzje osobnyak - I'd roughly translate this to weapon storage, tho I don't speak russian (yes, it's russian as far as google goes)... ok, so Talocan = russian... or are you russian and just posted this in your own language?
"Oruzje", depending on how you read it, could sound similar to "оружие" (weapon[s]/armament[s]), but "osobnyak" means something similar to "mansion", not "storage". Whatever etymological paths led to this term, they sure are long and complicated, because "weapon mansion (in space)" doesn't make much sense to me at all... it may not have been russian specifically, could be polish/serbian/some other slavic language, but i doubt it makes much more sense in any of them.
The path isn't that complicated. At least not if "mansion" has roughly the same meaning as it has in English where it in modern terms means "large and stately house" but had the traditional meaning as the staying/remaining/night quarters/station of a lord, and often doubled as the local armory (as the lord provided weapons to his militia. This was true in particular for the mansions of colony governors where the governors mansion was often one of the local strongpoints in case the locals decided to revolt). ______________________________________________ -My respect can not be won, only lost. It's given freely and only grudgingly withdrawn. |
Gerard Deneth
Caldari Pavlov Labs GmBH
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Posted - 2009.05.11 04:23:00 -
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Originally by: Pesets
"Oruzje", depending on how you read it, could sound similar to "оружие" (weapon[s]/armament[s]), but "osobnyak" means something similar to "mansion", not "storage". Whatever etymological paths led to this term, they sure are long and complicated, because "weapon mansion (in space)" doesn't make much sense to me at all... it may not have been russian specifically, could be polish/serbian/some other slavic language, but i doubt it makes much more sense in any of them.
Perhaps you're looking at something similar... Instead of "weapons storage" perhaps we're instead looking at "Weapons Home" similar to the difference between a storage depot and a barracks.
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Pesets
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Posted - 2009.05.11 07:50:00 -
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Edited by: Pesets on 11/05/2009 07:51:51
Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel The path isn't that complicated. At least not if "mansion" has roughly the same meaning as it has in English where it in modern terms means "large and stately house" but had the traditional meaning as the staying/remaining/night quarters/station of a lord, and often doubled as the local armory.
Well, not really, "особняк" is just a large house, not armory. At best (as Gerard actually mentioned already), it could be interpreted that the weapon is biological and "oruzje osobynak" is a place for it to live and chill out Though even then, "oruzje" is not a proper flex for that meaning - as it stands, it's in fact a "mansion weapon" rather than "weapon mansion" (implying that mansion itself is a weapon, not storage for them). Of course the point is moot, as CCP Dropbear has clearly indicated that whoever thought of that expression didn't have a good grasp or russian; so trying to interpret it "correctly" will result in further confusion rather than better understanding.
But at least it can probably be deduced that Sleepers and/or Talocan are/were humans as well...
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le petomane
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Posted - 2009.05.13 02:02:00 -
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Well, heres the kicker... look at the other languages in this game...
"Ethernity" -Gallente "Megathron" -more Gallente "Meirakulf" -bad Germanic from Minmatar "Hek", "Thukker" -more bad Germanic, and im not going to translate that last one.
... its possible that the Sleepers spoke mutated Slavonic.
I was wondering why there wasnt a faction in game for them... now we know what happened to some of them anyway (the ones that didnt join the State)
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Toriessian
Amarr Wormhole-space Surveying and Exploitation
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Posted - 2009.05.13 22:33:00 -
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Maybe this is a strange coincidence but lets look at a top level overview of events...
Jove fighting an ancient powerful enemy essentially quarantine themselves afraid of how the Amarr will be used...
Jamyl Sarum shows up super weapon in hand powered by Isogen-5...
Isogen-5 explosions trigger WH eruptions all over universe.
And what do we find in the WH's? Infected quarantine areas guarded by super attack drones.... Strange timing on the part of the Jovians cutting themselves off from our space before this happened. Maybe they didn't tell us everything. And if the Jove didn't know this was going to happen shouldn't we eventually run into them since they wouldn't have taken steps to prevent this from happening in their own space?
As far as the languages we're seeing go, it shouldn't be surprising. Bastardized versions of Earth languages on ancient ruins should be expected.
My end theory is that the Sleepers and the Talocan aren't separate races. Look at the names of the sleeper drones. Awakened this, emergent that. The salvage indicates that the drones may be capable of more than fighting. Perhaps the Talocan put themselves in some kind of stasis and a few are awakened to try to cure the plague and defend what is left of their civilization. That would explain "Sleeper Information Centers"
After reading "All these live are fit to Ruin" I'm wondering if the WH's opening wasn't the triumph of evil, but the capsuleers entering WH space and finishing off the Talocan was the triumph. Maybe they were getting close to a cure that took literally thousands of years to develop?
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