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DetrixSentri
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Posted - 2009.04.21 17:24:00 -
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Edited by: DetrixSentri on 21/04/2009 17:24:31 I've been training for my Nemesis for the last year or so, when I logged in last night I see that the Nemesis was changed to Torpedo's or something, instead of the Cruise Missiles.
I've spent nearly 7 million skill points in missiles, and all that seems completely wasted.
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Tandin
The Knights Templar Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.04.21 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: DetrixSentri Edited by: DetrixSentri on 21/04/2009 17:24:31 I've been training for my Nemesis for the last year or so, when I logged in last night I see that the Nemesis was changed to Torpedo's or something, instead of the Cruise Missiles.
I've spent nearly 7 million skill points in missiles, and all that seems completely wasted.
*shrug* nerfs/rebalancing happens. Deal with it. If you have that much in missile skills, just train T2 torps and you're still good. Oh, and cloaking 4 for a cov ops cloak if you don't already have it.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.04.21 18:24:00 -
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At most, 2.7mil SP have been wasted if you have trained Cruise Missiles V and Cruise Missile Specialization V.
Even if you've done that, you already have everything you need to start training and making full use of Torpedoes, so just get started with those. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
DetrixSentri
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Posted - 2009.04.21 18:46:00 -
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Edited by: DetrixSentri on 21/04/2009 18:46:32
Originally by: Tippia At most, 2.7mil SP have been wasted if you have trained Cruise Missiles V and Cruise Missile Specialization V.
Even if you've done that, you already have everything you need to start training and making full use of Torpedoes, so just get started with those.
http://eve-sheet.com/skills/DetrixSentri
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.04.21 18:54:00 -
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Congrats, you have a whooping 1,280,000 + 1,250 + 11,314 (and rising) SP that don't apply to the new specialisation of the craft. Oh gods, you wasted TWO WHOLE WEEKS of skill training ! To the complainmobile !
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Estel Arador
Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2009.04.21 18:58:00 -
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Missile Launcher Operation 11,314 Cruise Missiles 1,280,000 Guided Missile Precision 1,250 Slightly less than 1.3M "wasted"
Missile Bombardment 512,000 Missile Launcher Operation 256,000 Missile Projection 1,024,000 Rapid Launch 512,000 Target Navigation Prediction 512,000 Warhead Upgrades 1,280,000 Slightly more than 2.8M still very useful
All you need to do is train the Torpedo skill and you're set.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.04.21 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: DetrixSentri http://eve-sheet.com/skills/DetrixSentri
Ok, so 1,292,564 SP wasted.
But sure, I was wrong about the amount of potential waste — it could actually have been as much as 4,608,000 SP. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
DetrixSentri
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Posted - 2009.04.21 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Congrats, you have a whooping 1,280,000 + 1,250 + 11,314 (and rising) SP that don't apply to the new specialisation of the craft. Oh gods, you wasted TWO WHOLE WEEKS of skill training ! To the complainmobile !
Melo drama much?
I said I've spent the last year training skills that seem wasted. That is neither a complaint, nor wrong. It's my opinion.
Something that says: Heavy Missile Specialization / Rank 5 / SP: 1756 of 7072 Heavy Missiles / Rank 3 / SP: 768000 of 768000 Missile Bombardment / Rank 2 / SP: 512000 of 512000 Missile Launcher Operation / Rank 1 / SP: 256000 of 256000 Missile Projection / Rank 4 / SP: 1024000 of 1024000 Rapid Launch / Rank 2 / SP: 512000 of 512000
Doesn't seem to be anything to do with Torpedoes. If it does, then I am clearly not that bad off.
Drama less, help more. kthxbai.
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Dark Soldat
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.21 19:10:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Soldat on 21/04/2009 19:10:46 Ah well just get a CNR for missions or smth... and what does heavy missiles have to do with cruise missiles?
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DetrixSentri
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Posted - 2009.04.21 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador Missile Launcher Operation 11,314 Cruise Missiles 1,280,000 Guided Missile Precision 1,250 Slightly less than 1.3M "wasted"
All you need to do is train the Torpedo skill and you're set.
Missile Launcher Operation = ? (Nothing?) Cruise Missiles -> Torpedoes Cruise Missile Specialization - > Torpedo Specialization Guided Missile Precision = ? (Nothing?)
Am I missing something?
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.04.21 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: DetrixSentri I said I've spent the last year training skills that seem wasted. That is neither a complaint, nor wrong. It's my opinion.
Something that says: Heavy Missile Specialization / Rank 5 / SP: 1756 of 7072 Heavy Missiles / Rank 3 / SP: 768000 of 768000 Missile Bombardment / Rank 2 / SP: 512000 of 512000 Missile Launcher Operation / Rank 1 / SP: 256000 of 256000 Missile Projection / Rank 4 / SP: 1024000 of 1024000 Rapid Launch / Rank 2 / SP: 512000 of 512000
Some of that is wasted, but not all of it has anything to do with the cruise→torpedo change.
Compare the prereqs for a T2 cruise launcher with a T2 siege launcher (edited to remove redundant prerequisites):
Cruises: Cruise Missile Specialization I Cruise Missiles V Missile Launcher Operation V Heavy Missiles III Standard Missiles III
Torpedoes: Torpedo Specialization I Torpedoes V Missile Launcher Operation IV Heavy Missiles III Standard Missiles III
The difference is that the latter only requires Missile Ops to IV, and that — obviously — it requires Torpedoes V and Torp Spec I instead of Cruises V and Cruise Spec I. However, if you ever want to use T2 Torpedoes (the ammo, not the launcher), you need to train Missile Ops to V anyway, so that's not wasted.
Quote: Doesn't seem to be anything to do with Torpedoes. If it does, then I am clearly not that bad off.
Of the skills listed there, Guided Missiles Precision only affects Standard, Heavy and Cruise missiles, so that's wasted for the particular job of flying stealth bombers. In addition, Heavy Missiles to V and Heavy Missile Spec to V are wasted (in this context) since neither of the are of any use for either a Cruise or a Torpedo ship. If you ever want to fly a heavy-missile cruiser, then all of these skills come into play again.
The rest are very relevant to the use of bombers — Missile Bombardment in particular since it leads to Bomb Deployment. |
Estel Arador
Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2009.04.21 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: DetrixSentri Am I missing something?
Yes you are missing something: a basic understanding of how the missile skills work. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.04.21 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: DetrixSentri Melo drama much? I said I've spent the last year training skills that seem wasted. That is neither a complaint, nor wrong. It's my opinion.
When the thread title is " So who do I complain to? ", then the OP mentions "training for my Nemesis for the last year or so, when I logged in last night I see that the Nemesis was changed to Torpedo"... that DOES sound like a complaint, as if a whole year of skill training was nullified by that single change. We pointed out the fact that only about two weeks of skill training was nullified by that particular change. And WE are being melodramatic ?
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DetrixSentri
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Posted - 2009.04.21 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Compare the prereqs for a T2 cruise launcher with a T2 siege launcher (edited to remove redundant prerequisites):
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The difference is that the latter only requires Missile Ops to IV, and that ù obviously ù it requires Torpedoes V and Torp Spec I instead of Cruises V and Cruise Spec I. However, if you ever want to use T2 Torpedoes (the ammo, not the launcher), you need to train Missile Ops to V anyway, so that's not wasted.
Thank you very much. It's not as bad as it seemed. I should have looked into things before posting.
As to the heavy stuff, I don't recall why I trained it. Only thing that comes to mind is that this build wasn't my end goal. It's been an ongoing work in progress. I had a Tristan, which I don't think had Cruise Missile launchers. I think I "maxed" that ship out, then upgraded to the Nemesis, and then started "maxing" it out. |
DetrixSentri
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Posted - 2009.04.21 20:25:00 -
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Edited by: DetrixSentri on 21/04/2009 20:27:16 **Edit Deleted**
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Stinky McPoopyPants
Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.21 22:46:00 -
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Dood! Before you whine about the missle skills, do some learning skills! you are training at 1683 SP a hour and only using +1 implants?
The Cruise to Torp change is the least of your skill tree worries...egad
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Amish Juggernaut
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Research
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Posted - 2009.04.22 04:25:00 -
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^ I was afraid I was the only person that saw the fail learning skills and implants. |
GyokZoli
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.22 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: DetrixSentri Edited by: DetrixSentri on 21/04/2009 18:46:32
Originally by: Tippia At most, 2.7mil SP have been wasted if you have trained Cruise Missiles V and Cruise Missile Specialization V.
Even if you've done that, you already have everything you need to start training and making full use of Torpedoes, so just get started with those.
http://eve-sheet.com/skills/DetrixSentri
Hey hey buddy, take your learning skills and implants very, very (I mean VERY) seriously! You can't imagine how much time you have wasted having some of your learning skills ignored and using only +1 implants! |
FOl2TY8
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.04.22 16:54:00 -
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Thank you for posting your skills man. It makes me feel SO much better about mine. How the hell do you have 20+mil SP and you can't even fly a cruiser? Are you only interested in flying a stealth bomber? |
Uuhela
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Posted - 2009.04.22 18:18:00 -
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Man, what do you do? Just train? I hope you havent been paying for an account to just sit there and train. Plus if your ultimate goal was a stealth bomber why bother with the industry skills? The time it took to do Production efficiency 5 you could've trained up to use more ships than just covert ops, stealth bombers and frigs.
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DetrixSentri
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Posted - 2009.04.22 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: FOl2TY8 Thank you for posting your skills man. It makes me feel SO much better about mine. How the hell do you have 20+mil SP and you can't even fly a cruiser? Are you only interested in flying a stealth bomber?
This isn't my primary MMO. I would say that lack of a trained skill is more of a result of that, than an active choice not to train it.
I have a ship, it doesn't need cruiser skills to opperate, so they weren't trained.
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DetrixSentri
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Posted - 2009.04.22 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: Uuhela Man, what do you do? Just train? I hope you havent been paying for an account to just sit there and train. Plus if your ultimate goal was a stealth bomber why bother with the industry skills? The time it took to do Production efficiency 5 you could've trained up to use more ships than just covert ops, stealth bombers and frigs.
Really not interested in letting the world analyze my play-style. I do what I want, and I have fun doing it. It shouldn't matter much beyond that. I got what I wanted from the Torpedo cross-over, this thread is pretty much dead. Let it be.
I kill pirates, take their items, and refine them. I use those refined materials to make things, and then sell them for money. The skills speak for themselves, with that in mind.
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Gaius Sejanus
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.04.22 20:02:00 -
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On an unrelated note, what's the deal with this eve-sheet place so very blatantly stealing both idea and design from InEVE?
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Jaabaa Prime
Minmatar Quam Singulari
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Posted - 2009.04.22 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: DetrixSentri Edited by: DetrixSentri on 21/04/2009 17:24:31 I've been training for my Nemesis for the last year or so, when I logged in last night I see that the Nemesis was changed to Torpedo's or something, instead of the Cruise Missiles.
I've spent nearly 7 million skill points in missiles, and all that seems completely wasted.
Dear Sir,
Go to HELL (and back)
When your missile skills require Level 4 Rocket Spec, then Standard Missiles Spec 4, Heavy Missiles Spec 4 and Cruise Missile Spec 4 just so you can train Torpedoes Spec 4 (with all associated T1 skills at level 5), then you can complain.
Until then, ask the Energy/Hybrid/Projectile users about weapon upgrades and T2/specialization !!!
And, just for the record, your attributes must be ****ty if you need 1 YEAR (!) to train for a bomber (your Nemesis).
REMAP your attributes ASAP --
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