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Neo Omni
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.22 01:15:00 -
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I would like to here it from a Dev. If so then it's pointless for anyone point out the flaws in the contract scheme since everything is working as expected. |
Kyle Langdon
Gallente Killson Corp
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Posted - 2009.04.22 01:25:00 -
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Don't you think that if they didn't condone it they would have put an end to it already? |
Neo Omni
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.22 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kyle Langdon Don't you think that if they didn't condone it they would have put an end to it already?
Not at the rate they fix things. |
Some Advisor
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Posted - 2009.04.22 01:27:00 -
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yes
next question? |
Xtreem
Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc.
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Posted - 2009.04.22 01:46:00 -
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well you want a dev reply.
go to jita, get low level scamed, petition, read responce - done :)
its perfectly legal |
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.04.22 01:51:00 -
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I'd say petition anyway. He's not going to accept a response from the playerbase, and the chances of a GM/Dev reply on the forums are minimal, especially for 'appeal' posts like this one.
By the way ... any of you guys remember the old escrow system? As I was looking up dev posts for Neo here, it crossed my mind. Bit of nostalgia coming up, I guess. |
Sirani
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Posted - 2009.04.22 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: Xtreem
its perfectly legal
man i'd hate to be locked up in prison for scamming someone in a video game. about spaceships. |
Stealth Troll
Minmatar Sekrit Klub
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Posted - 2009.04.22 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: CCP yes
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Neo Omni
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.22 02:15:00 -
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Well, I sent a petition since there was a category for questions about contracts and trade.
Maybe I'll get an answer.
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Maxwell Terallis
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Posted - 2009.04.22 02:29:00 -
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Originally by: Neo Omni Well, I sent a petition since there was a category for questions about contracts and trade.
Maybe I'll get an answer.
You will get an answer.
And the answer will be: "Contract scamming is acceptable."
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Tauranon
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2009.04.22 02:33:00 -
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its surely working as intended.
I find it interesting to look at the contract history of some scammers, quite a few 2 week old alts have scammed 2 bil+, which is fun. Inspecting one scammer, even showed a buyer that got scammed twice for 200mil for launchers, who then went on to sell the resulting ship he'd fitted on contracts for a little over 100mil. ie he was probably working to a total of 10mil profit, yet didn't seem to notice the 400mil loss!
Unfortunately scammers recycling alts is undoing my blocks of scam contract spammers, which makes various locals uncomfortable, so thats probably the only aspect that bears looking at.
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Xtreem
Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc.
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Posted - 2009.04.22 03:16:00 -
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Originally by: Sirani
Originally by: Xtreem
its perfectly legal
man i'd hate to be locked up in prison for scamming someone in a video game. about spaceships.
when you see goods that are non legal in some facions space do you think "omg i could go to jail" or do you take it for the ingame context its meant?
when i say legal, i mean in game, ie not bannable, sheesh |
Cerebus Alteri
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Posted - 2009.04.22 03:17:00 -
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maybe they need a tutorial intro that goes something like...
"If something seems too good to be true in eve be it contracts and trades and "free isk" 95% of the time it is too good be true, this applies to real life as well. If you accept these deals more than likely you are going to lose money."
end tutorial.
that should sum it up, if people not learned this lesson themselves by the time they hop into eve, then i dunno how they get along in life generally.
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Neo Omni
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.22 03:20:00 -
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Originally by: Cerebus Alteri maybe they need a tutorial intro that goes something like...
"If something seems too good to be true in eve be it contracts and trades and "free isk" 95% of the time it is too good be true, this applies to real life as well. If you accept these deals more than likely you are going to lose money."
end tutorial.
that should sum it up, if people not learned this lesson themselves by the time they hop into eve, then i dunno how they get along in life generally.
Believe it or not, not all places in the world are cut-throat in disposition.
I have lived in both, so yes I know what you mean. Currently I live in a small town where people still leave their front doors and cars unlocked.
It's just that CCP makes such issues about exploits, and this surely seems more like an exploit than game play. |
Quantar Raalsken
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.22 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: Cerebus Alteri maybe they need a tutorial intro that goes something like...
"If something seems too good to be true in eve be it contracts and trades and "free isk" 95% of the time it is too good be true, this applies to real life as well. If you accept these deals more than likely you are going to lose money."
end tutorial.
that should sum it up, if people not learned this lesson themselves by the time they hop into eve, then i dunno how they get along in life generally.
i can hear arua say that so clearly in my head that its kinda scary....i hate that ***** for laughing when i got podded.....scared the **** out of me AND added insult to injury too ======= Homeworld Hamachi Network
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Bullageddon
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.22 03:50:00 -
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Scamming is PVP
EVE is PVP based
Welcome to EVE. === This Space For Lease or Sale. |
Rawr Cristina
Caldari Naqam Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.04.22 04:07:00 -
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Scamming is fine and all, but the latest contract scam is plain irritating. CCP need to make the amounts easier to read - it does for round figures; 50,000,000 will say 50mil, why dosen't 49,999,999?
I guess the main issue with it is it takes no effort whatsoever. Don't need to undock or open a convo or anything - Just a macro that spams your contract link in local all day long and you'll rake in those billions in no time.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.04.22 04:15:00 -
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OMFG at the above pic. That must be a mothership worth of scammed isk.
As for the OP, search the knowledge base or petition a gm in-game if you don't believe us. Scamming, stealing, lying, spying, sabotage - all are legal within the great game that is known as EVE. |
Cerebus Alteri
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Posted - 2009.04.22 04:31:00 -
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Originally by: Quantar Raalsken
Originally by: Cerebus Alteri maybe they need a tutorial intro that goes something like...
"If something seems too good to be true in eve be it contracts and trades and "free isk" 95% of the time it is too good be true, this applies to real life as well. If you accept these deals more than likely you are going to lose money."
end tutorial.
that should sum it up, if people not learned this lesson themselves by the time they hop into eve, then i dunno how they get along in life generally.
i can hear arua say that so clearly in my head that its kinda scary....i hate that ***** for laughing when i got podded.....scared the **** out of me AND added insult to injury too
lol i could hear her saying it as i typed it.
and yea i grew up in a small town, went to school in the big city. i seen both sides of the fence. but i think it was my grandfather that taught me early on the if something looks too good to be true it most likely is. |
Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.22 04:38:00 -
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A fool without a bank alt is soon departed of her ISKies. |
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Cyprus Black
Caldari Elitist Jerks Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.04.22 04:40:00 -
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EvE is not like other MMOs. Scamming is indeed an acceptable practice ingame. Something you should have been aware of had you read the newbie guide.
Another thing you should know since you're skipping such important newbie information. EvE is a game of reading. If you skimming through everything, you'll eventually get shanked by another player or worse.
Paranoia is a virtue. Be careful who you trust. Beware of strangers offering candy. |
Joe
Umbra Legion Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2009.04.22 04:45:00 -
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I cant Get legitimate Petitions answerd, becuase theres a Que of 10k Idiots infront of me
Put a Warning in the Tutorial, 'caveat emptor' and all that, or better yet, chnge the damm contract front page so that is summerizes the prices into 3 significant numbers, rounded up, with engineering notation after it, you can can have the full price number down to its final two digits in the accept page.
OMGWTF?
....change the damm contract front page so that is summerizes the prices into 3 significant numbers, rounded up, with engineering notation after it...
Wow, its like if they adopted a system used by everyone else in the world thered be no problems
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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.04.22 04:47:00 -
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All you need is two decimal places, Joe. That's all you need. |
Fawkyou Pirates
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Posted - 2009.04.22 04:55:00 -
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Edited by: Fawkyou Pirates on 22/04/2009 04:59:05
Originally by: Rawr Cristina Scamming is fine and all, but the latest contract scam is plain irritating. CCP need to make the amounts easier to read - it does for round figures; 50,000,000 will say 50mil, why dosen't 49,999,999?
Fourty-Nine Million, Nine Hundred Ninety-Nine Thousand, Nine Hundred and Ninety-Nine.....
I'd rather use the mathematical skills I acquired in the Second grade and LOOK at the ****ing decimal places than read all that ****.
Edit : Anyone who falls for this **** is ******ed and pretty much deserves to lose the ISK. I'm confident they would have lost it anyway either to the scam contract or probably something equally thoughtless.
Here is my tip to avoid being scammed by a contract... pay close attention its incredible and ground breaking...
Read the ****ing contract for at least 2 seconds before you click accept. Decimal places man.... decimals...
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Joe
Umbra Legion Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2009.04.22 04:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon All you need is two decimal places, Joe. That's all you need.
Or accept a system that Millions of Technicians use everday?
1.999.999 = 2 milllion 1.749.999.999 = 1.75 Billion 24.499.999 = 24.5 Million
The current contract system boils down to Implementation of poor systems, Ignoring curent conventions used Everywhere else in the world.
CCP, ask your Electronic Technicians at work what they think of your system, I'm sure youve got a few floating about in that staff of 350.
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Maxwell Terallis
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Posted - 2009.04.22 04:57:00 -
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Originally by: Joe I cant Get legitimate Petitions answerd, becuase theres a Que of 10k Idiots infront of me
Put a Warning in the Tutorial, 'caveat emptor' and all that, or better yet, chnge the damm contract front page so that is summerizes the prices into 3 significant numbers, rounded up, with engineering notation after it, you can can have the full price number down to its final two digits in the accept page.
OMGWTF?
....change the damm contract front page so that is summerizes the prices into 3 significant numbers, rounded up, with engineering notation after it...
Wow, its like if they adopted a system used by everyone else in the world thered be no problems
Hate to break it to you, but this wouldn't be a legitimate petition either.... It would be idiot petition 10,001.
There are no warnings needed in the tutorial or anywhere else.
If someone sends you a message that says: "Buy my product for 30,000 isk from this contract" and the contract says "29,999,999" - it is your fault and your fault alone you didn't have the mathematical comprehension to see it is not 30,000.
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Joe
Umbra Legion Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2009.04.22 05:03:00 -
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Edited by: Joe on 22/04/2009 05:06:58 edit=double post after one of the most idiotic resposes ive ever seen, lack or reading comprehension, in a thread about people haveing a lack of reading comprehension
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Joe
Umbra Legion Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2009.04.22 05:05:00 -
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edit= Who cares anyway, its allready been proven half the eve users wont read it properly anyway Originally by: Maxwell Terallis
Originally by: Joe I cant Get legitimate Petitions answerd, becuase theres a Que of 10k Idiots infront of me
Put a Warning in the Tutorial, 'caveat emptor' and all that, or better yet, chnge the damm contract front page so that is summerizes the prices into 3 significant numbers, rounded up, with engineering notation after it, you can can have the full price number down to its final two digits in the accept page.
OMGWTF?
....change the damm contract front page so that is summerizes the prices into 3 significant numbers, rounded up, with engineering notation after it...
Wow, its like if they adopted a system used by everyone else in the world thered be no problems
Hate to break it to you, but this wouldn't be a legitimate petition either.... It would be idiot petition 10,001.
There are no warnings needed in the tutorial or anywhere else.
If someone sends you a message that says: "Buy my product for 30,000 isk from this contract" and the contract says "29,999,999" - it is your fault and your fault alone you didn't have the mathematical comprehension to see it is not 30,000.
AND THIS IS WHY THERE ARE SCAMS, PEOPLE LACK READING COMPREHENSION SKILLS
I didn't state what my petition is about, i complained becuase my petition is behind 10k idiots that have been scammed becuase they cant read.
The post offers a simple solution for CCP, its got nothing todo about a Petition ive still got waiting, on a different Issue.
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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.04.22 05:06:00 -
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Originally by: Joe
Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon All you need is two decimal places, Joe. That's all you need.
Or accept a system that Millions of Technicians use everday?
1.999.999 = 2 milllion 1.749.999.999 = 1.75 Billion 24.499.999 = 24.5 Million
The current contract system boils down to Implementation of poor systems, Ignoring curent conventions used Everywhere else in the world.
CCP, ask your Electronic Technicians at work what they think of your system, I'm sure youve got a few floating about in that staff of 350.
Well, I'm not an electronic technician, and your proposed system is about as unfamiliar to me as what CCP's using now.
What I DO know, is simple.
35,000,000.00
Comma's, decimals, understandable. Pretty much straight-forward and easy to understand, even for someone with just a high-school education.
Now, CCP uses that convention in a lot of places. Market, rents, industry, repair, cloning, etc. There are TWO exceptions that I've found. The contract page, and the mission reward page, both of which are rather new.
So, everything else in EvE presents money as: 10,000,000.00
Contracts, on the other hand, present money as: 10,000,000
While mission rewards present money as: ten million credits OR 10,000,000 (don't ask my why they do it one way one time and a different the next ... they just do)
Seems reasonable to me that the best fix is the simplest one. Just add two decimal places.
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Joe
Umbra Legion Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2009.04.22 05:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Comma's, decimals, understandable. Pretty much straight-forward and easy to understand, even for someone with just a high-school education.
It was allready accepted by CCP that half their playerbase couldn't understand a plain number infront of them, thats one of the reason the old 'Escrow' system got changed to the new 'contract' system, and theres a series of pages you have to work through to accept a contract, the first page being one that displays the number in WORDS aswell as numbers.
whatever muppet implemented it tho, forgot that people dont only sell things for an even number, and so didnt write anycode that would have solved this simple problem for the people out there that have reading problems.
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