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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.04.22 10:16:00 -
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It's been a while since I've posted in C&P...
So, a few weeks back I fixed my sec so I could try out empire wars. I decced a few corps. I think I (literally) got one kill in three weeks. Generally I didn't see any of my war targets, and the very few I did had out of corp RR BS all over the place. Yeah, war decs are not my cup of tea, to say the least. But hey, at least I tried it.
So, not wanting to destroy all of my effort to fix my sec right away I decided to experiment with using BS in 0.0 to kill ratters and generally annoy blobber carebears. That didn't work out all that well, as I came to the conclusion that as soon as you get a bubble on you, you're done. Dictors and HICs are just death to a solo player. Even a Falcon alt won't get you out. I like using implants, and even though fully insured ships are cheap as chips, losing a guaranteed 20m+ for two +3 implants, plus the cost of a 13m ISK clone adds up.
I fiddled with my ship setups a bit, settling on an all out gank Neutron Blasterthron with 3x magstabs, but I still couldn't take a BS down fast enough with 40-50 in local and get out before being bubbled and killed. I killed quite a few without losing my own ship, but I was just getting bored having to wait until local was down to 20-30 instead of 50-80 to try and kill something. Plus, the loot was terrible. Trading a BS one for four or five isn't my idea of good pirating.
So now I'm trying a little 'anti-piracy'. Not anti-piracy in the traditional sense of it- I'm not a carebear, I'm not attacking pirates because they're 'bad' or 'evil' or 'kill babies with a shovel'. Hell, I'm not even doing it because I want PVP in easy mode and want every advantage on my side. I'm just doing it because I figured I could get some good fights with a wider variety of corps and people to fight against, and get some higher quality targets. So I went looking for some fights.
So far I've been pretty disappointed. I've been to all the places I thought would have something to shoot- Passari, Tama, OMS, Amamake, Seyllin, Irshah, just to name a few. I really couldn't find much to shoot at save a few carriers and dreads and a few mother ships (lol?).
So, before I run my sec back down to -10 again, where is everyone hanging out these days? I've been in Decon for a while, if only because I'm really *really* lazy, and people tend to show up to try and kill me, but I just can't find much in the way of pirates or gatecamps or whatever to explode. I guess nobody gatecamps anymore? Does anyone even engage on a highsec gate these days, or just stay 2-3 jumps deep in lowsec?
Where do all the cool people hang out?
I'm quickly losing interest with this whole not -10 thing anyway. Bleh.
Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Death of Virtue is Recruiting
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Ghost Nightmare
Sons of Damnation
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Posted - 2009.04.22 10:22:00 -
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first!!! in a bellum thread
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Terra Mikael
SRIUS BISNIS
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Posted - 2009.04.22 10:38:00 -
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Edited by: Terra Mikael on 22/04/2009 10:41:44 . ________________________________
Originally by: Lone Gunman Yes overpowered would be giving a ship with the Covert ops cloak the ability to fire say..Torpedos, now that would be overpowered. But CCP would |
Ranik Sandaris
Caldari The Centurions Eternus Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.22 11:15:00 -
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Edited by: Ranik Sandaris on 22/04/2009 11:14:43 Needs more pr 0n |
RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.04.22 11:46:00 -
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I am surprised you didn't get a good fight in Amamake or any of the surrounding lowsec right up to Rancer, that whole area is stuffed with Pirate corps and moronic FW pilots |
Requiescat
Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.04.22 11:54:00 -
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rancer, nalvula, ihakana, antem, bosena sometimes
there's not always going to be people everywhere in lowsec, if you don't like roaming you are playing the wrong game |
NeoTheo
Dark Materials Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2009.04.22 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: RedSplat I am surprised you didn't get a good fight in Amamake or any of the surrounding lowsec right up to Rancer, that whole area is stuffed with Pirate corps and moronic FW pilots
aye this, :) tbh ive found Amammake really good for targets.
/Theo
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.04.22 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: NeoTheo
Originally by: RedSplat I am surprised you didn't get a good fight in Amamake or any of the surrounding lowsec right up to Rancer, that whole area is stuffed with Pirate corps and moronic FW pilots
aye this, :) tbh ive found Amammake really good for targets.
/Theo
I actually remember some of you Dark Materials guys from the other day. Those were the ones who wouldn't engage me in a belt because I wasn't -10 and they didn't want to lose sec...
Maybe my Navy Mega just screams 'bait'. (it isn't)
Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Death of Virtue is Recruiting
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NeoTheo
Dark Materials Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2009.04.22 13:43:00 -
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Edited by: NeoTheo on 22/04/2009 13:45:49
Originally by: Bellum Eternus I actually remember some of you Dark Materials guys from the other day. Those were the ones who wouldn't engage me in a belt because I wasn't -10 and they didn't want to lose sec...
Maybe my Navy Mega just screams 'bait'. (it isn't)
Little confused by this dude, we are all -10 sec status, (well ok i am -9.96 cause i killed a rat the otherday), so crossed wires i think , that just dosnt sit right...
the bait comment might be it tho ;)
/Theo
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.04.22 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus I'm quickly losing interest with this whole not -10 thing anyway. Bleh.
I once sat in a baby pool and it was p1ss warm. End of story. -- If there is anything in your life you fear of losing, then keep your mouth shut once in a while. |
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Count MonteCarlo
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.04.22 13:59:00 -
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Well atleast you're trying different aspects of eve out, pvp wise, Wardecs shouldn't of been that dead but yea they're pretty boring, soloing in 0.0 in a bs is pretty hard these days unless you only engage in the entry systems, I suggest giving it a go in a sabre/vaga/taranis, soloing in 0.0 in these ships is like being a pirate in low sec but you get 10x the fights, but you also die a lot more, so its hard to profit from unless you're really dedicated
Anti Pirating is a little bit like wardecs too, a lot of it is just going around looking for fights but not getting any, I suggest you keep trying and keep trying to get fights in entry systems to 0.0, you'll get a awesome fight eventually Sig removed, inappropriate content - Mitnal
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Htrag
The Carebear Stare
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Posted - 2009.04.22 14:28:00 -
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We were willing to engage in Passari, just didn't feel like doing it at 0 on the high sec gate. Too many 'anti-pirates' get away like that. |
Gunner Cid
The Carebear Stare
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Posted - 2009.04.22 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Maybe my Navy Mega just screams 'bait'. (it isn't)
TBH bro this.
I know where I live 19/20 times, not an exaggeration, when you have a solo pilot sitting on a highsec gate it's bait. All you have to do is send scouts into adjacent systems and you'll find corpies/alliance mates.
Although I will say the more experienced bait and blobbers will only stage 1-3 support close(tacklers, ewar, cloaked logistics) and have the gangbang fleet 2-3 jumps out.
That 1/20 time when you're not being baited you face a couple facts
-you'll probably have to tank sentries so no drones and now you're tanking sentries + a BS (not bad if the pilot sucks but you get the idea)
-if the pilot you have aggressed starts to go down they will deaggress and jump out so you won't be able to chase them or have the deaggress option
That all results in you having to either bait them into aggressing and them bring in heavy hitters(bait and blob yourself...gay) or get the fight to happen on your terms (lowsec/lowsec gate, planet, station)
I'd have to say that overall I have never seen a solo pilot sitting on a highsec gate in a faction BS that did not have support.
Maybe it's not like this all over but I can def say that in lonetrek lowsec you can count on getting baited and blobbed. Every single day, every single one, there is MULTIPLE attempts by MULTILPE groups of pilots trying to do this.
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FOl2TY8
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.04.22 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: RedSplat I am surprised you didn't get a good fight in Amamake or any of the surrounding lowsec right up to Rancer, that whole area is stuffed with Pirate corps and moronic FW pilots
Confirming that I am a moronic FW pilot near Amamake and I always take the bait. |
NeoTheo
Dark Materials Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2009.04.22 16:28:00 -
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Edited by: NeoTheo on 22/04/2009 16:33:09
Originally by: FOl2TY8
Originally by: RedSplat I am surprised you didn't get a good fight in Amamake or any of the surrounding lowsec right up to Rancer, that whole area is stuffed with Pirate corps and moronic FW pilots
Confirming that I am a moronic FW pilot near Amamake and I always take the bait.
but we love you all the same, ;) i am wondering how my band of -10'ers was worried about taking sec hits.. cowards i tell you! ;)
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.04.22 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Gunner Cid
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Maybe my Navy Mega just screams 'bait'. (it isn't)
TBH bro this.
I know where I live 19/20 times, not an exaggeration, when you have a solo pilot sitting on a highsec gate it's bait. All you have to do is send scouts into adjacent systems and you'll find corpies/alliance mates.
Although I will say the more experienced bait and blobbers will only stage 1-3 support close(tacklers, ewar, cloaked logistics) and have the gangbang fleet 2-3 jumps out.
That 1/20 time when you're not being baited you face a couple facts
-you'll probably have to tank sentries so no drones and now you're tanking sentries + a BS (not bad if the pilot sucks but you get the idea)
-if the pilot you have aggressed starts to go down they will deaggress and jump out so you won't be able to chase them or have the deaggress option
That all results in you having to either bait them into aggressing and them bring in heavy hitters(bait and blob yourself...gay) or get the fight to happen on your terms (lowsec/lowsec gate, planet, station)
I'd have to say that overall I have never seen a solo pilot sitting on a highsec gate in a faction BS that did not have support.
Maybe it's not like this all over but I can def say that in lonetrek lowsec you can count on getting baited and blobbed. Every single day, every single one, there is MULTIPLE attempts by MULTILPE groups of pilots trying to do this.
Well, not like I don't know what it's like to be a pirate either.
Yeah, I was looking for every advantage, I wanted to see what it would be like to be able to fight with my drones out, not have to worry about so many myself, and have that safety net of highsec.
I've always traditionally engaged on a high sec gate while I was pirating, as I simply couldn't get a fight any other way because the opposing gang was always too sissified to engage any other way. I was just seeing if other groups did the same or if they just avoided stuff like that.
I roamed all over, and while I don't have any issue with moving around, the few fights that I did get and the few kills that I did complete involved RR carriers, and at one point had *two* Nyxs cyno in (lol!) in the middle of our little fight. Fortunately they didn't engage me as I wasn't blinky red. Maybe I should write a post about how to be completely safe in lowsec: "rat sec up, travel around freely, nobody will shoot you." Haha!
TBH you guys had just a few too many ships for me to try and take a bite out of. I'd have probably died so we left to try and find some easier pickings. |
Requiescat
Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.04.22 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus Maybe I should write a post about how to be completely safe in lowsec: "rat sec up, travel around freely, nobody will shoot you."
saw kessah the other day in jan and he complained about the same thing |
Tob Seayours
Minmatar Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.04.22 17:47:00 -
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This is how I view PvP in EVE, it's either for:
1) Control 2) Fun
People who belong to category 1 will never engage without scouts, without knowing the odds, without being in control of the fight. To them, PvP is all about knowing what the enemies have, and where. And then calculating whether they can be defeated with the means available or not. Sometimes these 'control'-minded PvP:ers engage at uneven odds, but most of the times when they do, the odds are in favour of them. Naturally this leads to very impressive killboard statistics (especially if said PvP:er has a lot of time available to play EVE) - but most of the time the game ends up being all about control, and every loss is overanalyzed and becomes a rigorous mind-blowing dullness. Because of this, they keep in control and this is probably very empowering. But I would wager that most people that PvP this way get burnt out of EVE quickly. The fun IS there - but without the surprise-factors, PvP in EVE becomes more and more of a chore. And when you start realizing that many of those you have defeated under these circumstances are 8 month old characters who didn't know better. It really stops being about the challenge, and more about the control. People who belong to this category really ought to dare a bit more, allow themselves to lose a bit more. And not fret too much about it. This is no excuse of course to start being stupid - but many of the more skilled PvP:ers I've met in this game belong to this category. And many of them tire easily.
People who play mostly for fun don't care about odds or numbers, they undock in a ship and engage at first sight of an enemy. They take pride in the fact that they attack any time, any where. In fact they will go through great lengths to boast about the fact that they always "bring it". And by no means do they use t1 ****. These guys can come with t2 fitted t2 command ships, in droves. And bring so-called 'one-way fits'. If you try and tell them they should be a bit more wary of their surroundings, they are more likely to call you a coward, than they are to take heed and listen. People like this are oftenly very impulsive, and because they are - they seldomly sport very good killboard statistics. They claim they have a lot of fun, but only for as long as their wallets can support their expensive losses. At which time they get bored because they "have no ISK", and because of their impulsive nature, do not have the patience to "go make some". These guys are as likely to get burnt out of EVE as the control-"freaks". They could learn a lot about at least taking some control into the way they play the game. That way maybe they'd start having more fun. But in my experience it doesn't happen. They're as likely to change the way they play as the control-minded PvP:ers.
One thing I've also noticed is that category 1 oftenly prefers sticking to low-sec. Whereas category 2 oftenly prefers sticking to 0.0. One reason might be that low-sec is a bit easier to predict (and control) whereas 0.0 is a bit less consistent. A third factor to take into account is that "control-freaks" usually want to stick with smaller corporations or be entirely solo (having people around them they cannot control is annoying) whereas the "fun-people" usually can't take any responsibility for their suicidal behaviour at all. And love to blame everything but themselves (including the game, the lag, CCP, or the fact that no one was reading their mind when they lost that 133:rd ship this week).
So how is this relevant to the OP? I don't know. Sorry. |
Ice Fist
Internal Anarchy
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Posted - 2009.04.22 18:47:00 -
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Carebears can be slippery buggers and hard to catch, but in the few weeks we've been a merc corp. we've gotten ~100 highsec wartarget kills. It's not as bad as you make it out to be, but I sympathize... it can be difficult.
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CrimsonLobo
Caldari Galaxy Punks
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Posted - 2009.04.22 19:07:00 -
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Errm, yeah i have now gone blinky, and people are now more likely to engage me, however i found the same thing you did when i was not blinky. However i jump ships into High Sec, so i would listen to me.
Honestly i am not contributing to this thread i know, but i just wanted to say, yes i know what you mean! |
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Another Forum'Alt
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.04.22 19:12:00 -
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Try rancer. |
Gunner Cid
The Carebear Stare
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Posted - 2009.04.22 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Well, not like I don't know what it's like to be a pirate either.
Yeah, I was looking for every advantage, I wanted to see what it would be like to be able to fight with my drones out, not have to worry about so many myself, and have that safety net of highsec.
I've always traditionally engaged on a high sec gate while I was pirating, as I simply couldn't get a fight any other way because the opposing gang was always too sissified to engage any other way. I was just seeing if other groups did the same or if they just avoided stuff like that.
I roamed all over, and while I don't have any issue with moving around, the few fights that I did get and the few kills that I did complete involved RR carriers, and at one point had *two* Nyxs cyno in (lol!) in the middle of our little fight. Fortunately they didn't engage me as I wasn't blinky red. Maybe I should write a post about how to be completely safe in lowsec: "rat sec up, travel around freely, nobody will shoot you." Haha!
TBH you guys had just a few too many ships for me to try and take a bite out of. I'd have probably died so we left to try and find some easier pickings.
I hear ya bro, we were both looking for a fight on our own terms. Regarding ppl dropping their Moms on your mega, that just screams pls come back and hotdrop me |
Htrag
The Carebear Stare
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Posted - 2009.04.22 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Requiescat
Originally by: Bellum Eternus Maybe I should write a post about how to be completely safe in lowsec: "rat sec up, travel around freely, nobody will shoot you."
saw kessah the other day in jan and he complained about the same thing
We managed to resolve that issue for him. Hell of a fit tho.
Originally by: Gunner Cid
I'd have to say that overall I have never seen a solo pilot sitting on a highsec gate in a faction BS that did not have support.
An actual conscious pilot, yes.... the exception being a mission running CNR that auto piloted to low sec lol
Tob Seayours makes an interesting post... I think its an Eve continuum. PVP starts as simple fun but gets more serious over time. I lean towards quality over quantity because everyone you roll with and every engagement reflects on you and your corp. Only a noob wouldn't take that into consideration.
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Requiescat
Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.04.22 20:01:00 -
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man that's upsetting, i was hanging around for about half an hour poking around in my taranis to find him a fight -+- let's break out the shotguns, we're going to town
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CrimsonLobo
Caldari Galaxy Punks
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Posted - 2009.04.22 20:05:00 -
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kessah didnt manage to kill any of you =(
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Gunner Cid
The Carebear Stare
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Posted - 2009.04.22 20:10:00 -
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The sad part is he jusmped a bit before that and I'm shooting at him with a 3 HS baddon and hitting him for like 90-100 per grouped weapon hit.
I couldn't ****ing believe it. No way Kess is that damn tanked. I thought for sure he had some crazy ass deadspace fit with 90%+ resists.
After I saw the killmail, plugged it into EFT, went and did some testing/asked around I realized I was suffering from a Grouped Weapon Issue
I am now ultra paranoid about it happening again.
Still cracks me up though, my jaw literally dropped when I thought I was only hitting for 100s with 8 damn guns.
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Katy Karkinoff
Minmatar Psycho Chicks
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Posted - 2009.04.22 20:25:00 -
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thread seems to be a good representation of how low sec lifestyles in eve are in need of a serious boost (like profits n' stuff)
About deccing mission runner corps, idk how many people you hunted them with but if you tried to do it solo (give or take alts) it can be difficult to pin them down and force a fight out of them, they are very good at docking all day long. I and friends of mine have tried the whole deccing thing before and had the same results.
The biggest irk of all is that if you want assurance people will engage you you gotta go to 0.0 which puts a huge hindrance on solo players because of bubbles.
I hope you get some better luck with getting people to shoot you though, this thread will probably help
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Requiescat
Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.04.22 20:44:00 -
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alternatively you could join a corp like balls deep or homeless and roam in small gangs -+- let's break out the shotguns, we're going to town
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.04.22 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Gunner Cid The sad part is he jusmped a bit before that and I'm shooting at him with a 3 HS baddon and hitting him for like 90-100 per grouped weapon hit.
I couldn't ****ing believe it. No way Kess is that damn tanked. I thought for sure he had some crazy ass deadspace fit with 90%+ resists.
After I saw the killmail, plugged it into EFT, went and did some testing/asked around I realized I was suffering from a Grouped Weapon Issue
I am now ultra paranoid about it happening again.
Still cracks me up though, my jaw literally dropped when I thought I was only hitting for 100s with 8 damn guns.
Kessah and I were debating (heatedly, lol) the merits (or lack thereof) of the current day dual rep Electron Blasterthron. I was telling him it's crap and he was telling me how awesome his tank is.
So, that being said, your above post is just LOL.
Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Death of Virtue is Recruiting
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Lisento Slaven
The Drekla Consortium
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Posted - 2009.04.22 21:31:00 -
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Try going to Saminer or Sagain. Lots of mean people there to play with. Bleak Lands can have some people to play with too. ---
Put in space whales!
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