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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
720
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Posted - 2012.05.06 20:00:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Are you even remotely aware of what the changes actually are? Because I'm going to go ahead and say that you aren't. With Crimewatch yes. With the wardec changes the cost calculation this is still unknown, but what you see on SiSi is old. They've already moved well beyond that. There's still some other grey areas in the wadec changes too even after sisi gets the next update though. ...so I guess no I can't say I'm 100% on that one. Why don't you enlighten me there Vimsy. What is it you think you know that I don't?
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
513
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Posted - 2012.05.06 20:06:00 -
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So you ignored the entire part about safeties and suspect flagging and losing sec status for defending yourself, or you think that's super great pro-PVP stuff that will really help get more PVP into highsec? Because its got to be one of those. |
Digital Messiah
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
209
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Posted - 2012.05.06 20:07:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=105069
Concord is a buffer of safety, not a net. I explain it more in the thread above. "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn"
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Miyamoto FiveRings
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.06 20:08:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Andski wrote:I think what they're implying is that an average player should be relatively safe in hisec.
That average player is most certainly not somebody flying a pimp-fit mission boat, a loaded hauler, or a particular high-end mining vessel. Or completely inattentive to what's going on in the game. I'm assuming (well, hoping) they also mean the average player should be safe as long as they aren't AFK. Me too cause ACTUALLY making it safer would be me deciding whether I wanna stay in an increasingly carebear friendly game or say **** it and join goons to punish them
If the high sec mechanics regarding safety would decided if you kept playing or not then you my friend are also a carebear so glass houses...
Just because you gank hulks/indys, find some stupid enough in a mission to shoot at you or war dec a corp that you figure has no chance of competing when you warp in your out of corp logi's does no mean you're not also a carebear.
There are places where many of us live that none of this matters. So if high sec is just to safe for your taste then pack up and move out to low/null and all your problems are solved. But it is the "safety" that keeps all of you guys in high sec that are complaining about it. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
720
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Posted - 2012.05.06 20:12:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:So you ignored the entire part about safeties and suspect flagging and losing sec status for defending yourself, or you think that's super great pro-PVP stuff that will really help get more PVP into highsec? Because its got to be one of those. No... I just don't care. Sec status is irrelevant because you can use commander and officer tags to buy your way back up. ...and if you are looking for PVP what do you care if you are flagged as long as concord isn't coming after you? You've never used a bait ship before? I'll tell you what... if you see me in a flagged merlin go ahead and attack me, OK? High sec can flipping is lame. You want to ninja loot do it in Tama. At least you will actually make isk at it. In HS can flipping isn't worth anyones time, even a noob. You are looking at this two dimensionally. You should stop being poor (poor people get kicked). If the cost of some tags and a "lets fight" flag are what has you down you are doing it wrong. I'd say you are not looking for a fight (victim) anyway.
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Aron Croup
Incompatible Protocol Bittervet Mercenaries
65
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Posted - 2012.05.06 20:16:00 -
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Dapud wrote:It's just like irl, last summer me and my two cousins and some friend were drinking vodka and watching T.V. and one of them got up to refill his drink and refused to refill anyone else's so when he walked to the kitchen his brother followed him and slit his throat with a pear knife. We buried him in the back yard and then my dog shat on the grave site which was not planned.
You made me laugh. |
Niko Takahashi
United Starbase Systems
38
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Posted - 2012.05.06 20:18:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
STOP calling something with the structure of a paper bag 'High End". Jesus.
hey look, tears Good job mittens er andski
You missed a bit of the white stuff from sucking up:) still on the chin
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Ashterothi
Aideron Robotics Darkmatter Initiative
9
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Posted - 2012.05.06 20:30:00 -
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rel-+a-+tive-+ly/-êrel+Ötivl-ô/ Adverb: 1. In relation, comparison, or proportion to something else. 2. Viewed in comparison with something else rather than absolutely: "relatively affluent people". |
Lexar Mundi
DYNAMIC INTERVENTION ORPHANS OF EVE
2
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Posted - 2012.05.06 20:34:00 -
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I guess I don't get the appeal of killing afk people in high sec, other than isk rich haulers.
Miners make this game run, they give us PvP people ships, and the game would not run without them unless CCP seeded ships on to the market. If you really want to kill stuff, low sec, nul sec, and wormholes should be the place to go. I think people are afraid to go in these places however because it presents a challenge, and gankers don't want a challenge.
I agree if your afk, you shouldn't be safe in high sec. but with the way Tech 3 BCs are, you can be sitting at your computer and still die to one salvo if the guy knows what hes doing. Right now, nul sec is safer than high sec ever could be for care bears... kill the nul sec care bears and leave the new people alone. If we stop killing the new people in high sec it will give us more targets in WH space and nul/low sec. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
856
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Posted - 2012.05.06 20:54:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Andski wrote:I think what they're implying is that an average player should be relatively safe in hisec.
That average player is most certainly not somebody flying a pimp-fit mission boat, a loaded hauler, or a particular high-end mining vessel. Or completely inattentive to what's going on in the game. I'm assuming (well, hoping) they also mean the average player should be safe as long as they aren't AFK.
Not just AFK, but not AFK, naked, in an extremely expensive ship, carrying an outrageous sum of money.
And these pathetic scrubs think that rather than change up these nasty habits, they should be made invincible. |
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
389
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Posted - 2012.05.06 20:59:00 -
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Xython wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Andski wrote:I think what they're implying is that an average player should be relatively safe in hisec.
That average player is most certainly not somebody flying a pimp-fit mission boat, a loaded hauler, or a particular high-end mining vessel. Or completely inattentive to what's going on in the game. I'm assuming (well, hoping) they also mean the average player should be safe as long as they aren't AFK. Not just AFK, but not AFK, naked, in an extremely expensive ship, carrying an outrageous sum of money. And these pathetic scrubs think that rather than change up these nasty habits, they should be made invincible.
This is who they are. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Eric Konway
Silverwing Explorers Unfamiliar Presence
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:04:00 -
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"Safe" is a relative term... |
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
131
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:29:00 -
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This is a pretty silly premise for a thread. First of all, unless you are using macros, a hulk fills pretty quickly and needs to be tended, making it difficult to be AFK in any way. Second, if all of the game requires constant attention and checking for safety, there will be a rash of bladder and kidney explosions among EVE players. The game is entitled to its intense styles of play, but also needs activities that do not require compete attention. When I played seriously, I enjoyed being able to mine while reading a book or watching a movie - always seated in front of the computer, of course, since I did not stray far when doing those things.
One of the reasons I am quitting the game is that to play it well simply requires too much time. To be a competitive EVE players I need to spend several hours a day at it, most of it actively engaged either with my corp or with the activity at hand. Any activity involving low sec or null sec requires complete attention, or death ensues shortly, And many activities that formerly could be done with less attention - like mining while reading or auto piloting to destinations - are now more dangerous and require my full attention too.
While I have loved my time with EVE, life does not permit me to devote that much attention to it. If I ever come back to the game, it will be because I've heard that some areas of the game are generally safe again.
High sec was a much safer place a year ago than it is now. That's the nature of the game. Players have aggressively found ways to return risk to high sec. I'm not necessarily against that, but it removes any chance of casual play, and that means I have to go elsewhere if I am to get my real life work done.
A game where nowhere is ever safe is not a game I can play. The devs have a right to make that game if they want, but people like me won't be able to enjoy it. That's life, of course. I have often advocated for safer high sec areas on the forums and still think they could be implemented to the betterment of the game. But I understand that kind of change is not likely. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
721
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:37:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:One of the reasons I am quitting the game is that to play it well simply requires too much time. To be a competitive EVE players I need to spend several hours a day at it, most of it actively engaged either with my corp or with the activity at hand. Any activity involving low sec or null sec requires complete attention, or death ensues shortly, And many activities that formerly could be done with less attention - like mining while reading or auto piloting to destinations - are now more dangerous and require my full attention too. I play very casually and do pretty well. You should try branching out... low sec piracy for example requires almost no time commitment depending on how many transports you want to blow up. Otherwise, my advice would be to keep skilling. I've taken off months at a time but always find a reason to return later. That said, if you are looking for a zynga game the door is thataway --->
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
389
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:38:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:This is a pretty silly premise for a thread. First of all, unless you are using macros, a hulk fills pretty quickly and needs to be tended, making it difficult to be AFK in any way. Second, if all of the game requires constant attention and checking for safety, there will be a rash of bladder and kidney explosions among EVE players. The game is entitled to its intense styles of play, but also needs activities that do not require compete attention. When I played seriously, I enjoyed being able to mine while reading a book or watching a movie - always seated in front of the computer, of course, since I did not stray far when doing those things.
One of the reasons I am quitting the game is that to play it well simply requires too much time. To be a competitive EVE players I need to spend several hours a day at it, most of it actively engaged either with my corp or with the activity at hand. Any activity involving low sec or null sec requires complete attention, or death ensues shortly, And many activities that formerly could be done with less attention - like mining while reading or auto piloting to destinations - are now more dangerous and require my full attention too.
While I have loved my time with EVE, life does not permit me to devote that much attention to it. If I ever come back to the game, it will be because I've heard that some areas of the game are generally safe again.
High sec was a much safer place a year ago than it is now. That's the nature of the game. Players have aggressively found ways to return risk to high sec. I'm not necessarily against that, but it removes any chance of casual play, and that means I have to go elsewhere if I am to get my real life work done.
A game where nowhere is ever safe is not a game I can play. The devs have a right to make that game if they want, but people like me won't be able to enjoy it. That's life, of course. I have often advocated for safer high sec areas on the forums and still think they could be implemented to the betterment of the game. But I understand that kind of change is not likely.
You're spending a lot of time posting for someone who is quitting. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
389
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:39:00 -
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Gogela wrote:Ban Bindy wrote:One of the reasons I am quitting the game is that to play it well simply requires too much time. To be a competitive EVE players I need to spend several hours a day at it, most of it actively engaged either with my corp or with the activity at hand. Any activity involving low sec or null sec requires complete attention, or death ensues shortly, And many activities that formerly could be done with less attention - like mining while reading or auto piloting to destinations - are now more dangerous and require my full attention too. I play very casually and do pretty well. You should try branching out... low sec piracy for example requires almost no time commitment depending on how many transports you want to blow up. Otherwise, my advice would be to keep skilling. I've taken off months at a time but always find a reason to return later. That said, if you are looking for a zynga game the door is thataway --->
But low sec piracy won't allow him to make isk for the sake of having isk. He might have to spend that isk on buying ships! Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
721
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:42:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Gogela wrote:Ban Bindy wrote:One of the reasons I am quitting the game is that to play it well simply requires too much time. To be a competitive EVE players I need to spend several hours a day at it, most of it actively engaged either with my corp or with the activity at hand. Any activity involving low sec or null sec requires complete attention, or death ensues shortly, And many activities that formerly could be done with less attention - like mining while reading or auto piloting to destinations - are now more dangerous and require my full attention too. I play very casually and do pretty well. You should try branching out... low sec piracy for example requires almost no time commitment depending on how many transports you want to blow up. Otherwise, my advice would be to keep skilling. I've taken off months at a time but always find a reason to return later. That said, if you are looking for a zynga game the door is thataway ---> But low sec piracy won't allow him to make isk for the sake of having isk. He might have to spend that isk on buying ships! Yah there is a high ship turnover rate w/ lowsec piracy and ninja looting, but pirates aren't looking for "good fights" and thus fit the cheapest ships they can to take out their targets. It's inglorious pvp (a lot of running away) but a lot of fun. It actually nets out quite well even with the many ship losses!
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
391
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:43:00 -
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Gogela wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Gogela wrote:Ban Bindy wrote:One of the reasons I am quitting the game is that to play it well simply requires too much time. To be a competitive EVE players I need to spend several hours a day at it, most of it actively engaged either with my corp or with the activity at hand. Any activity involving low sec or null sec requires complete attention, or death ensues shortly, And many activities that formerly could be done with less attention - like mining while reading or auto piloting to destinations - are now more dangerous and require my full attention too. I play very casually and do pretty well. You should try branching out... low sec piracy for example requires almost no time commitment depending on how many transports you want to blow up. Otherwise, my advice would be to keep skilling. I've taken off months at a time but always find a reason to return later. That said, if you are looking for a zynga game the door is thataway ---> But low sec piracy won't allow him to make isk for the sake of having isk. He might have to spend that isk on buying ships! Yah there is a high ship turnover rate w/ lowsec piracy and ninja looting, but pirates aren't looking for "good fights" and thus fit the cheapest ships they can to take out their targets. It's inglorious pvp (a lot of running away) but a lot of fun. It actually nets out quite well even with the many ship losses!
But what about his isk per hour?!? Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
721
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:52:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Gogela wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Gogela wrote:Ban Bindy wrote:One of the reasons I am quitting the game is that to play it well simply requires too much time. To be a competitive EVE players I need to spend several hours a day at it, most of it actively engaged either with my corp or with the activity at hand. Any activity involving low sec or null sec requires complete attention, or death ensues shortly, And many activities that formerly could be done with less attention - like mining while reading or auto piloting to destinations - are now more dangerous and require my full attention too. I play very casually and do pretty well. You should try branching out... low sec piracy for example requires almost no time commitment depending on how many transports you want to blow up. Otherwise, my advice would be to keep skilling. I've taken off months at a time but always find a reason to return later. That said, if you are looking for a zynga game the door is thataway ---> But low sec piracy won't allow him to make isk for the sake of having isk. He might have to spend that isk on buying ships! Yah there is a high ship turnover rate w/ lowsec piracy and ninja looting, but pirates aren't looking for "good fights" and thus fit the cheapest ships they can to take out their targets. It's inglorious pvp (a lot of running away) but a lot of fun. It actually nets out quite well even with the many ship losses! But what about his isk per hour?!? I'm taking it you are being sarcastic because most people I know that do piracy are more in it for the lulz (and make no mistake the lulz are great) but actually I find myself afk cloaked a lot... it's an hour of boredom punctuated by 4 minutes of terror. I think the isk per hour of you actually paying attention is excellent, but if you factor in afk cloak time maybe not so good. There are a lot of different piracy styles though, so overall I couldn't really even ballpark the average. Hell I don't even know all the tactics people are using. There's too many.
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
945
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Posted - 2012.05.06 23:01:00 -
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Gogela wrote: I'm taking it you are being sarcastic because most people I know that do piracy are more in it for the lulz (and make no mistake the lulz are great) but actually I find myself afk cloaked a lot... it's an hour of boredom punctuated by 4 minutes of terror. I think the isk per hour of you actually paying attention is excellent, but if you factor in afk cloak time maybe not so good. There are a lot of different piracy styles though, so overall I couldn't really even ballpark the average. Hell I don't even know all the tactics people are using. There's too many.
Camping low sec complexes works out pretty well isk wise, and only takes a few recons to do it effectively. Sometimes you have to wait a while for someone to come, but once they do its almost always a t3 with something shiny. They salvage pretty well too, plus once you salvage the wreck no one will know you were there so you can reset the trap.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
722
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Posted - 2012.05.06 23:39:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Gogela wrote: I'm taking it you are being sarcastic because most people I know that do piracy are more in it for the lulz (and make no mistake the lulz are great) but actually I find myself afk cloaked a lot... it's an hour of boredom punctuated by 4 minutes of terror. I think the isk per hour of you actually paying attention is excellent, but if you factor in afk cloak time maybe not so good. There are a lot of different piracy styles though, so overall I couldn't really even ballpark the average. Hell I don't even know all the tactics people are using. There's too many.
Camping low sec complexes works out pretty well isk wise, and only takes a few recons to do it effectively. Sometimes you have to wait a while for someone to come, but once they do its almost always a t3 with something shiny. They salvage pretty well too, plus once you salvage the wreck no one will know you were there so you can reset the trap. See? What this guy said ^. I've never done anything like this. Sounds profitable and fun though....
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
604
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Posted - 2012.05.07 00:20:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:You're spending a lot of time posting for someone who is quitting. Some people post even after they have quit.
Others feel pained by their time in EVE and must post to relieve it.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
ELECTR0FREAK
24
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Posted - 2012.05.07 00:23:00 -
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You should be relatively safe in a Hi(gh) Sec(urity) system.
Sometimes people need a reminder what hisec actually means. Discoverer of CCP's original missile damage formula. |
Abel Merkabah
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.05.07 00:24:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:You're spending a lot of time posting for someone who is quitting. Some people post even after they have quit. Others feel pained by their time in EVE and must post to relieve it.
I thought when you unsubbed, you lost your ability to post on forums...does that mean, they quit, but they are still paying CCP? |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
246
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Posted - 2012.05.07 02:21:00 -
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Cloaked 100 % safe |
Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research.
126
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Posted - 2012.05.07 02:48:00 -
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Why is everyone so adamantly opposed to having places of relative safety? Because you fear everyone will go carebear in highsec if you make things too easy, right?
But think about that for a moment, as it also means.... you admit that a large section of the EVE population wants to carebear, given the chance (yes, let that reality sink in for a moment). Moreover, your loud protestations are nothing more than mere manifestations of your fear that people will do so, en masse. And that, manfriend, is why carebearing should always be allowed: because of your self-proclaimed confirmation of the need for it.
-- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
606
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Posted - 2012.05.07 02:50:00 -
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Abel Merkabah wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:You're spending a lot of time posting for someone who is quitting. Some people post even after they have quit. Others feel pained by their time in EVE and must post to relieve it. I thought when you unsubbed, you lost your ability to post on forums...does that mean, they quit, but they are still paying CCP? Some quit but leave their accounts training because it has game time left on it. Granted, Training Online is hald of it
A bit different from the "biomassing main" "can I have your stuff" kind of quit. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
53
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Posted - 2012.05.07 02:56:00 -
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Abel Merkabah wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:You're spending a lot of time posting for someone who is quitting. Some people post even after they have quit. Others feel pained by their time in EVE and must post to relieve it. I thought when you unsubbed, you lost your ability to post on forums...does that mean, they quit, but they are still paying CCP?
They might have bought a long sub upto 12 months, you're fed up of the game but you can't get CCP to refund you the sub money so you'll come on the forums and vent a little. |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
53
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Posted - 2012.05.07 02:58:00 -
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Thomas Kreshant wrote: They might have bought a long sub upto 12 months, you're fed up of the game but you can't get CCP to refund you the sub money so you'll come on the forums and vent a little.
This may or may not be true for me for several years back
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Abel Merkabah
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.05.07 02:59:00 -
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Ah I see. I guess, if you have the time, may as well troll the forums if the game is not working out for you...
Thank you. "To destroy is always the first step in any creation." - E. E. Cummings |
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