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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.04.26 04:02:00 -
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Edited by: Lana Torrin on 26/04/2009 04:03:23
Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Dirk Magnum Hellz yeah, and it's fantastic.
So how is talking to him, or her, going to solve my problem? Or lets ask, what can he/she do a merc cannot do? And why do mercs allow such competition?
More bounties.. Bigger numbers.. If I'm going to be risking a ship woth 100M on podding the guy im not going to be doing it for 200k..
Edit: I'm editing in this snype because apparently that is the cool thing to do now. I personally hate it, but i want to be one of the cool kids again.
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.04.26 04:09:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Torrin More bounties.. Bigger numbers.. If I'm going to be risking a ship woth 100M on podding the guy im not going to be doing it for 200k..
Are all mercs working alone? -- If there is anything in your life you fear of losing, then keep your mouth shut once in a while. |
Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.04.26 04:13:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 26/04/2009 04:14:34
Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Lana Torrin More bounties.. Bigger numbers.. If I'm going to be risking a ship woth 100M on podding the guy im not going to be doing it for 200k..
Are all mercs working alone?
I'd be surprised if any did. If they do it's probably an exception to the rule.
Even though the heavy dictor's loot is probably worth five or ten mil at least, it's still not worth the trouble to take the time and effort to track down and kill the one guy for such a small bounty payout. Also, there aren't many ships that can efficiently 1v1 a heavy dictor flown by a pilot of skill, so most likely the mercenary in question would have some support in addition to their lame Falcon alt, just in case jam cycles start missing or the dictor pilot calls in reinforcements. You won't be scramming anyone's pod without a sensor boosted ceptor either, now that there's less lag on ship death.
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.04.26 04:15:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 26/04/2009 04:18:00 It was an Onyx. And he was using Caldari Navy Scourge missiles. Neither did my two warp core stabs help, so he must be using more than just a scrambler. -- If there is anything in your life you fear of losing, then keep your mouth shut once in a while. |
Requiescat
Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.04.26 04:38:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound It was an Onyx. And he was using Caldari Navy Scourge missiles. Neither did my two warp core stabs help, so he must be using more than just a scrambler.
your lack of knowledge of how heavy interdictors work lends credence to my earlier statement, you should learn more about this game before you post here
Originally by: Lana Torrin I'm editing in this snype because apparently that is the cool thing to do now. I personally hate it, but i want to be one of the cool kids again.
you're the coolest kid imho ♥ -+- let's break out the shotguns, we're going to town
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.04.26 04:51:00 -
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Originally by: Requiescat your lack of knowledge of how heavy interdictors work lends credence to my earlier statement, you should learn more about this game before you post here
Are you going to help or do you only offer comments? One needs to be able to tackle an heavy interdictor before one can ask for help?!? -- If there is anything in your life you fear of losing, then keep your mouth shut once in a while. |
Requiescat
Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.04.26 04:56:00 -
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one needs to know what one is asking for before one should ask for it -+- let's break out the shotguns, we're going to town
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.04.26 05:10:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 26/04/2009 05:10:51
Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Requiescat your lack of knowledge of how heavy interdictors work lends credence to my earlier statement, you should learn more about this game before you post here
Are you going to help or do you only offer comments? One needs to be able to tackle an heavy interdictor before one can ask for help?!?
Heavy Dictors use a scripted high slot module called a... something. I forget. Point is that in nullsec it can generate a mobile scram bubble, but when the script is loaded in low sec it fires what is sometimes called the "infinipoint". It's a scrambling beam that prevents ANY single target from warping. Warp core stabs won't help.
Originally by: Requiescat one needs to know what one is asking for before one should ask for it
zenpwnd
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Molly Milli0ns
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Posted - 2009.04.26 05:11:00 -
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someone please put this thread out of its misery.
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.04.26 05:11:00 -
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Originally by: Molly Milli0ns someone please put this thread out of its misery.
I would but then the mods would put me out my misery (for two months this time)
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.04.26 05:15:00 -
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Originally by: Requiescat one needs to know what one is asking for before one should ask for it
I want real help and not some stay-puft kind of merc, or the one that fights all alone. -- If there is anything in your life you fear of losing, then keep your mouth shut once in a while. |
Requiescat
Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.04.26 05:17:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound I want real help and not some stay-puft kind of merc, or the one that fights all alone.
you still don't know what you're asking for because you don't know what you want killed.
it's important when you hire mercenaries that you know what you want done and that you understand the sort of effort, hardware and time involved in doing it so that you will understand why they charge what they do
now will you please stop posting until you understand the situation better -+- let's break out the shotguns, we're going to town
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Kiev Duran
Caldari Net 7 The Last Brigade
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Posted - 2009.04.26 05:24:00 -
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I'm gonna break forum form and actually help the OP out a little.
There are a few things you need to learn about EVE and how ships work and whatnot. First of all to actually hunt someone takes time and money. Once you combine this with the fact the heavy 'dictors are some of the hardest sub-capitol ships to kill you start to realize that the ships needed to dispatch of him in a timely fashion are going to each cost at least 30 mill, and your gonna want at least three or four. Even though the heavy 'dictor probably couldn't kill the ships sent after it on its own, you then have to figure in if he has nearby help that could potentially kill one or all of the mercs involved. So you see why hiring mercs isn't exactly cheap, you get to pay for time, manpower, and potential losses. Secondly, the heavy 'dictor is a very interesting ship with a very interesting role. Basically it is a ship designed to tackle (warp scramble) ships that are designed to be untackleable. It does this by means of an infinite point warp scrambler, in effect, you could have had 200 warp core stabilizers fitted and still have been unable to warp away.
As rude as Req is, he makes a very valid point, you really should lurk the forums more and learn more about the game before putting out a hit on someone. If you really want him dead you should write down his name, make some isk and wait. Don't, however, expect anyone on this particular board to care if he lives or dies, the vast majority here are greifers and pirates, who care only about how much isk (or laughs) they can get from newbies and other targets.
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.04.26 05:24:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Requiescat one needs to know what one is asking for before one should ask for it
I want real help and not some stay-puft kind of merc, or the one that fights all alone.
Just to summarize everything, to filter out all the ****:
1. mercs generally won't go after any target for less than several million ISK, unless that target is easy to find and destroy. More likely though you'll have to invest ten+ mil if you want something done, and maybe even more than that. It all depends.
2. if the payout comes in bounty form placed on the pod of the target, well... this is a bad idea. It's easy to warp a pod away unless it's caught in a scram bubble (which cannot be deployed outside of nullsec)
3. a lone heavy dictor pilot with good skills is still a tought opponent to kill. he can tank most individual ships long enough to call in reinforcements. therefore, the merc you hire will probably bring backup, which costs more.
4. your core stabs didn't help because the heavy dictor uses a module that ignores warp core strength completely.
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.04.26 05:26:00 -
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Originally by: Requiescat now will you please stop posting until you understand the situation better
This is not your thread nor is it your problem, so the answer is no. You do not want to help and I cannot offer more money. That is the situation.
Everyone else is more than welcome here! -- If there is anything in your life you fear of losing, then keep your mouth shut once in a while. |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.04.26 05:38:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 26/04/2009 05:39:09
Originally by: Kiev Duran ... So you see why hiring mercs isn't exactly cheap, you get to pay for time, manpower, and potential losses. ...
Yes, I do see. I fly contract courier missions and get to pay 10x to 100x times in collateral (not including my ship) for what I get paid in return. It takes strength to do this, I know. Why can't you? -- If there is anything in your life you fear of losing, then keep your mouth shut once in a while. |
Requiescat
Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.04.26 05:44:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound I cannot offer more money
then the situation is that no one will help you. there are no fast-response antipirates in eve anymore, and there never were any that were any good
no one is going to attack an onyx on a gate unless they have a personal grudge, are being paid, or are anticipating the fight when the onyx's reinforcements come in, none of which you are going to influence with your 200k isk.
i have given people more isk than that just to make their wallet blink.
learn more about this game and then maybe you will understand why i am being so rude to you; from my point of view you are not only new to this game, but you are obnoxious and proud of how little you know, parading your tiny knowledge around like a trophy to be sought after. you are the worst kind of noob - a noob who thinks he is right and won't listen to reason. -+- let's break out the shotguns, we're going to town
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.04.26 05:53:00 -
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Originally by: Requiescat learn more about this game and then maybe you will understand why i am being so rude to you; from my point of view you are not only new to this game, but you are obnoxious and proud of how little you know, parading your tiny knowledge around like a trophy to be sought after. you are the worst kind of noob - a noob who thinks he is right and won't listen to reason.
You are not being rude, you are in tears. Merc tears ... -- If there is anything in your life you fear of losing, then keep your mouth shut once in a while. |
Kiev Duran
Caldari Net 7 The Last Brigade
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Posted - 2009.04.26 05:54:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 26/04/2009 05:39:09
Originally by: Kiev Duran ... So you see why hiring mercs isn't exactly cheap, you get to pay for time, manpower, and potential losses. ...
Yes, I do see. I fly contract courier missions and get to pay 10x to 100x times in collateral (not including my ship) for what I get paid in return. It takes strength to do this, I know. Why can't you?
The simple fact is, I not only know it takes strength to take down an Onyx, I know about how much strength it takes. Req is right, you are not only ignorant (which is to some degree excusable) but you aren't listening to the advice being given. Come back (if you feel the need to) once you can tell me how much EHP a properly fitted Onyx has and how long it would take a well fitted BC to take it down solo. If you won't listen to those of us trying to help, maybe you can learn by actually seeing the numbers yourself.
On a side note I have a sneaking suspicion that Req and myself have fallen for a troll's ploy.
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Requiescat
Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.04.26 05:56:00 -
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Edited by: Requiescat on 26/04/2009 05:56:29
Originally by: Whitehound You are not being rude, you are in tears. Merc tears ...
i am being rude i am not in tears and i am not a mercenary
0 for 3 better luck next time -+- let's break out the shotguns, we're going to town
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.04.26 06:14:00 -
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The new bounty is 1m ISK, and I give up. -- If there is anything in your life you fear of losing, then keep your mouth shut once in a while. |
Requiescat
Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.04.26 06:15:00 -
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quitter -+- let's break out the shotguns, we're going to town
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Mickey Simon
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.04.26 07:50:00 -
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Edited by: Mickey Simon on 26/04/2009 07:51:30
Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Kiev Duran ... So you see why hiring mercs isn't exactly cheap, you get to pay for time, manpower, and potential losses. ...
Yes, I do see. I fly contract courier missions and get to pay 10x to 100x times in collateral (not including my ship) for what I get paid in return. It takes strength to do this, I know. Why can't you?
Hi, I'm a merc. Pleased to meet you.
I do not speak for my corporation (oh btw Duncan if you are reading this, FRUIT LOOPS FTW U DIK) but I do speak for myself.
I'm not cheap to hire, because I go out and kill things. I don't **** around moving **** through hisec for a pittance, because I, like many others on this forum, am a competent PvPer who has the ships and the know how to kill things.
If you want to spend your play time playing courier games, that's fine. I generally pay quite well when I put a courier contract out because I value other peoples time too. If you're used to getting 200k ISK per job though and you expect everyone else is too, that's your problem not mine.
My time is important to me, and if you want to hire some of my skills you'd best be prepared to pay a premium for them. But I'm not a solo contractor presently, nor are any mercs that I know of (with the exception of a few guys who take bounty contracts occaisionally) so talking about it is somewhat pointless unless you have the ISK and the willingness to hire an entire corp.
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Bai ZongTong
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.04.26 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Mickey Simon FRUIT LOOPS FTW U DIK
NO U!!! LUCKY CHARMS!!!!!
In conclusion, I think you should vote Larkonis Trassler for CSM.
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Ms Delerium
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Posted - 2009.04.26 11:37:00 -
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lulz... You fail at understanding most of this game aspects.
I will bring you some lights on how are things on New Eden:
- ATTITUDE: This is, by default, an hostile galaxy. This applies to forums aswell specially C&P (crime and punishment). You should not beg or cry over there, you need to defend yourself. In general, dont try to turn things to your way of think. More like you must shut up, read and learn the actual game (this is useful for everything on life).
- MONEY: 200k and 1million is charge money for most of players. Anybody can earn 1million by killing some random rat(s) on a belt (obviously not in carebear land). Whatever level 4 mission will bring 15-20 millions per hour. lvl4 can be done after 3-6months of gameplay and 80% of New Eden inhabitants are older than 6months (random but accurate estimation). You are offering the equivalent isk for about 3-5minutes of time worth. It's not even worth to do the travel, let alone the risks of getting killed and the annoy factor.
- BOUNTY SYSTEM: bounty system is broken cause anybody with half a braincell will kill himself with an alt and get the bounty. For example this pirate is annoying you and you add a 500millions bounty (now this is a nice amount). The pirate opens his 2nd account, or ask a friend to kill him, and HE GETS UR ISK!!!11
still im a noob so I may be wrong on these
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Navtiqes
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.26 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound Hmm. My char is just <3 months old. No way I can afford to pay 20mil for a kill.
Let me know when you have a "special kids offer".
Taking what you've said into consideration, I have after some deliberation decided that we may be able to make a special offer just for you.
I'm assuming at the time of writing that you've yet to find a contractor to facilitate your problem. If this is indeed the case, please feel free to convo me ingame and I'll assist with the required hauler escort and disposal. |
Tzest0r
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Posted - 2009.04.26 12:30:00 -
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great problem solved this guy will help you you can trust him ... he's a goon \0/
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Chii'leck Hudson
The Dark Horses
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Posted - 2009.04.26 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 26/04/2009 01:47:48 ...Goerge W. Bush or any other hero, who saves the day of the innocent and without looking back.
you guys missed possibly the best part of this thread
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Tzest0r
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Posted - 2009.04.26 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Chii'leck Hudson
Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 26/04/2009 01:47:48 ...Goerge W. Bush or any other hero, who saves the day of the innocent and without looking back.
you guys missed possibly the best part of this thread
no at that part i realised he's an r-tard/troll and i thought i better feed myself and left :|
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Cyprus Black
Caldari Elitist Jerks Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.04.26 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound Yes, I do see. I fly contract courier missions and get to pay 10x to 100x times in collateral (not including my ship) for what I get paid in return. It takes strength to do this, I know. Why can't you?
I had some pretty sage advice to add here, but judging by the OPs previous responses, I doubt he would've listened. He's incredibly stubborn, hard headed, and seems to hear only what he wants to hear.
I guess he'll learn the hard way and emoragequit afterwards. ______________ Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn. |
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