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Kibbler
Endemic Aggression Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.04.26 22:30:00 -
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Hey guys,
I only have salvaging 3, and am running into problems salvaging certain wrecks (namely, advanced sleeper wrecks). My current skill level won't allow it, and I've heard reports that even at salvaging 4 you can't salvage high-end wrecks and salvaging 5 is required.
If I add on a salvage tackle rig, will I be able to access the slightly harder ones? It would make bump my access difficulty up from 15 to 25, but I'm just curious if accessing a wreck is skill dependent or equipment dependent.
Summary: If I add salvage tackle, can I salvage wrecks that are of a level beyond my natural skill limit?
Thanks.
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Mikal Drey
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.26 22:42:00 -
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hey hey
iirc salvage rigs dont increase rhe level of which certain wrecks are accessable. they increase the chance that your salvaging attmept will be successfull.
it is noticably faster when you got rigs fitted but it still wont unlock the higher tiered wrecks
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emf
Amarr Knights Of the Black Sun
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Posted - 2009.04.26 23:11:00 -
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Wrong, the salvage rigs DO help you salvage advanced sleeper wrecks. Dont bother training salvaging V. The implant works as well.
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Some Advisor
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Posted - 2009.04.26 23:52:00 -
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proof plz...
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.04.27 00:54:00 -
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Harder wrecks work by applying a -x% to salvage chance. For example, t2 wrecks have a -10% access difficulty...This is why you need Salvaging III to even attempt to salvage these wrecks, and why unless you have salvaging IV or V, it will take a hellishly long time.
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Anniki Linares
Amarr Umbra Legion Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2009.04.27 01:44:00 -
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took me over 5 minutes to salvage friends t2 ship wreck. (skill level 3) It just kept failing till i go lucky.
So rigs, implants all works to increase chance that the salvage cycle is successful.
Loot is always same no matter what skills, rig, implants u have. It's the chance of salvage cycle being successful.
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Kibbler
Endemic Aggression Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.04.27 02:22:00 -
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Originally by: Anniki Linares took me over 5 minutes to salvage friends t2 ship wreck. (skill level 3) It just kept failing till i go lucky.
So rigs, implants all works to increase chance that the salvage cycle is successful.
Loot is always same no matter what skills, rig, implants u have. It's the chance of salvage cycle being successful.
It's not the chance-per-cycle I'm worried about; it's being able to salvage them at all. If you try and salvage a ship beyond your skill level, you will get a message saying you are unable to salvage this.
I'd just like to know if I have to train up Salvaging 5 to access the bigtime wrecks, or if I can save the 15d and just buy some tackle, and from what I've read here it seems that it does. I'll have to fit out a salvage-specific ship and go to town, then. :)
Thanks!
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2009.04.27 02:42:00 -
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In this case, chance per cycle is being able to salvage them at all. Look at it like this: if you have Salvaging II, you have a 10% chance per cycle of getting the goods. If you attempt to salvage at T2 or commander wreck, you take a -10% modifier. 10-10=0%, so you cannot salvage no matter what. If you have Salvaging IV, where you'd have a base 20%, you'd have a 10% chance per cycle, so it would likely take longer. 1 Salvage Tackle I rig = 10% = 2 levels of skill. ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? |
Devine13
Nomad LLP
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Posted - 2009.04.27 05:34:00 -
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Edited by: Devine13 on 27/04/2009 05:35:56 The funny thing about this whole thing is that I have managed to salvage 2 sleeper bs wrecks with only salvaging level 3 It took about 50 tries each, but it did happen and I was more or less proud of myself because I had heard beforehand that it was 'impossible'
EDIT: sorry I didn't see that they were advanced wrecks, I have only salvaged the basic large sleeper wrecks with salvaging 3. /me looks down in shame for not carefully reading the OP
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2009.04.27 06:03:00 -
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Edited by: Qui Shon on 27/04/2009 06:05:24
Originally by: emf Wrong, the salvage rigs DO help you salvage advanced sleeper wrecks. Dont bother training salvaging V. The implant works as well.
Oh salvaging 5 is most useful, both in k-space and w-space. Even if you can do without, it's a great skill to have. In practice it adds 15% to access difficulty bonus, which is a 70% increase on a rigless ship, or 30% on a ship with 3 T1 rigs.
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JordanParey
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.04.27 06:18:00 -
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Originally by: Mikal Drey hey hey
iirc salvage rigs dont increase rhe level of which certain wrecks are accessable. they increase the chance that your salvaging attmept will be successfull.
it is noticably faster when you got rigs fitted but it still wont unlock the higher tiered wrecks
Seriously, stop advertising. Are you getting paid or something?
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Turiel Demon
Minmatar Shadow Reapers DAMAGE INC...
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Posted - 2009.04.27 09:29:00 -
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I will note that only advanced battleship wrecks require 5 Also, it has come to my attention that I'm really in need of a proper signature. |
Some Advisor
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Posted - 2009.04.27 11:11:00 -
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..yes i know some wrecks in class4/5 requires salvaging 4... so "you" (as in one of the above posters) say, if i stuff 2 more salvage tackle rigs in my catalyst, iam able to salvage the ADVANCED BATTLESHIP wrecks with "only" salvaging 4 where i need salvaging 5 ?
i still would like some confirmations... currently iam not in class4/5 to test that
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.04.27 11:46:00 -
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Quote:
In this case, chance per cycle is being able to salvage them at all. Look at it like this:
So, how comes that with Salvage 3, when I try loot faction NPCs I get something like: "you don't have skills high enough to salvage this", and not just failed attempts?
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2009.04.27 12:16:00 -
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Because when you have a modified chance of 0% or lower you get that message. Try hacking in some of the COSMOS sites; the cans there have varying modifiers to open. If your chance plus the modifier works out to automatic failure, you get that message. ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? |
Angelos
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Posted - 2009.04.27 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
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In this case, chance per cycle is being able to salvage them at all. Look at it like this:
So, how comes that with Salvage 3, when I try loot faction NPCs I get something like: "you don't have skills high enough to salvage this", and not just failed attempts?
Do you have an salvage rigs or implants?
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emf
Amarr Knights Of the Black Sun
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Posted - 2009.04.27 20:46:00 -
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Edited by: emf on 27/04/2009 20:46:33 Salvaging 3 is not enough to loot t2 wrecks alone, you need a salvage tackle or implant. Huge waste of 12 days of training time to train salvaging V, you're doing something wrong if you don't have a better use for that training time.
Anyway sleeper advanced BS wrecks don't seem to salvage for much relative to the tag value. Interesting how they salvage for t2 salvage sometimes though. Got 17 power circuits from salvaging them.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2009.04.27 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: emf Edited by: emf on 27/04/2009 20:46:33 Salvaging 3 is not enough to loot t2 wrecks alone, you need a salvage tackle or implant. Huge waste of 12 days of training time to train salvaging V, you're doing something wrong if you don't have a better use for that training time.
Anyway sleeper advanced BS wrecks don't seem to salvage for much relative to the tag value. Interesting how they salvage for t2 salvage sometimes though. Got 17 power circuits from salvaging them.
Salvaging V is great if you just fit a Salvager in a utility highslot. 1 salvager = a lot of missed cycles on a tough wreck. You also get a massive boost in salvage chance from the Salvager II module.
Or did you think that everyone flew around in fully-rigged dedicated salvage ships?
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started. |
emf
Amarr Knights Of the Black Sun
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Posted - 2009.04.28 07:26:00 -
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If you're salvaging all the wrecks with 1 salvager, yes you are doing something wrong. You would be making more isk not salvaging.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2009.04.28 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: emf If you're salvaging all the wrecks with 1 salvager, yes you are doing something wrong. You would be making more isk not salvaging.
That is completely dependent on what you're doing. You can't always come back and clean up your wrecks with a dedicated salvager, such as when ratting. Even if you do, less cycles = less times spent salvaging = more ISK faster.
Even with missions it can be useful. I kill so fast that it's not even worth the time to come back and salvage most missions, so being able to clean up some of the wrecks is just extra ISK. I can salvage half the wrecks in most missions with my one salvager II if I wanted to without compromising my mission completion speed (in some missions I can get them all, such as Recon 1... couldn't do that before I had Salvaging V, way too many missed cycles).
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started. |
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emf
Amarr Knights Of the Black Sun
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Posted - 2009.04.28 11:06:00 -
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Hmm, ya that could help I suppose, but for 90% of people out there surely there is something which you can spend half a month training which would give you more than salvaging V.
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Kibbler
Endemic Aggression Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.05.05 17:27:00 -
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Just to confirm this once and for all...
If you have Salvaging 3 and are unable to salvage certain wrecks, fitting salvage tackle WILL DEFINITELY allow you to salvage the harder wrecks. In theory, since you get 10% salvaging modifier with one piece of tackle, you will only need a ship with 1 tackle at Salvaging 3 to salvage as effectively as someone with Salvaging 5.
I fit a fast ship with 3 salvage tackle and 5 salvagers, and it cleared all intermediate wrecks in a L3 WH Magnetometric in the first cycle. The salvagers have an access modifier of 45%, which is effectively having Salvaging 9.
Just so you know.
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Some Advisor
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Posted - 2009.05.05 17:49:00 -
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thanks for the input. Wondering how it affects salvging of lets say those advanced wrecks in class6 with salvaging 4.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2009.05.05 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Kibbler Just to confirm this once and for all...
If you have Salvaging 3 and are unable to salvage certain wrecks, fitting salvage tackle WILL DEFINITELY allow you to salvage the harder wrecks. In theory, since you get 10% salvaging modifier with one piece of tackle, you will only need a ship with 1 tackle at Salvaging 3 to salvage as effectively as someone with Salvaging 5.
I fit a fast ship with 3 salvage tackle and 5 salvagers, and it cleared all intermediate wrecks in a L3 WH Magnetometric in the first cycle. The salvagers have an access modifier of 45%, which is effectively having Salvaging 9.
Just so you know.
If you had Salvaging 9... you'd be using T2 salvagers and have an access bonus of 63%. The skill description is misleading at best, totally wrong at worst.
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started. |
Kibbler
Endemic Aggression Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.05.05 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Wet Ferret
Originally by: Kibbler Just to confirm this once and for all...
If you have Salvaging 3 and are unable to salvage certain wrecks, fitting salvage tackle WILL DEFINITELY allow you to salvage the harder wrecks. In theory, since you get 10% salvaging modifier with one piece of tackle, you will only need a ship with 1 tackle at Salvaging 3 to salvage as effectively as someone with Salvaging 5.
I fit a fast ship with 3 salvage tackle and 5 salvagers, and it cleared all intermediate wrecks in a L3 WH Magnetometric in the first cycle. The salvagers have an access modifier of 45%, which is effectively having Salvaging 9.
Just so you know.
If you had Salvaging 9... you'd be using T2 salvagers and have an access bonus of 63%. The skill description is misleading at best, totally wrong at worst.
Ah, forgot about T2 salvagers.. Let me rephrase that then to be totally correct.
"At Salvaging 3, you will only need 1 tackle to salvage as good as someone with Salvaging 5 using a T1 Salvager. With 3 rigs, you would salvage at an effective level of Salvaging 9 using a T1 Salvager"
Either way, I can't see how it'd be worth it to train salvaging to 5 now that I know this. I can see that Salvaging 4 might be worth it for some people, but I'd rather just use a dedicated salvage ship (I used a stabber).
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2009.05.06 06:13:00 -
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Because even with the whole shebang, T2 and faction wrecks can still be a chore to salvage. I'd say the more often you do it, the more it becomes "worth it". Afterall, people spend longer periods of time training for 2-5% boosts to other mods (salvaging is only rank 3).
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started. |
Devan Reale
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Posted - 2009.05.06 07:09:00 -
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My main trained Salvage to L4, and I have Salvage Rig I's on the ships I tend to mission/rat in. My salvage time now runs around 15-30 seconds per wreck, with a rare 45-60 second salvage. I don't do WH space yet, so I can't comment on sleeper salvaging. Train salvaging to L4, and see what it looks like. Drop in a rig, and I think you'll be happy. I don't plan to train it to L5.
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