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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol Total Comfort
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Posted - 2009.04.30 12:54:00 -
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Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 30/04/2009 12:55:28
Ankh and Erik appear to have put their third video online, there is no official announcement out yet, but you can access it here for a sneak preview: http://eve-takecare.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=19&Itemid=19
ps: ankh you'd better start killing some squids :P
edit: linkified
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.04.30 13:50:00 -
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Cute.
Not her or him, but the whole idea of a "Take Care" political party. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
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Digital Solaris
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Posted - 2009.04.30 14:42:00 -
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The only positive thing about this clip is that they had the decency to include english subtitles for those who don't speak gibberish. |
Tyler
Balls Deep Inc.
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Posted - 2009.04.30 17:12:00 -
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So, much, cringe.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.04.30 18:03:00 -
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Yes we got a new movie.
I really should have added a scene where we whack some trolls. ---
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.04.30 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Digital Solaris The only positive thing about this clip is that they had the decency to include english subtitles for those who don't speak gibberish.
I'm hardly their biggest supporter, but that is completely uncalled for.
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JitaBum
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.04.30 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Tyler So, much, cringe.
Understatement
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.04.30 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
I'm hardly their biggest supporter, but that is completely uncalled for.
Agreed. Totally. Despite not liking what the "Take Credit" party represents for the CSM an attack on someone's accent of their non-native language is pathetic in the extreme. Please come back when you can speak Dutch and German without an accent.
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Bunyip
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.04.30 20:42:00 -
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[sarcasm] Yes! Finally, somebody takes credit for all the changes that were implemented in this game. Obviously, the Take Care Party were the sole ones for credit for the 0.0 changes, the skill queue, and so many other improvements to the game, aside from the fact that the party didn't exist before the new elections came up.
Take Care - your party for all credit for changes in Eve! [/sarcasm]
Sorry, but that seemed amazingly egocentric, considering that the CSM is a team effort. Most of the issues you boasted about you didn't raise, and the ones that you did weren't mentioned (medals, etc). You had a good run, now let somebody else take the limelight.
"May all your hits be crits." - Knights of the Dinner Table. |
Xavier Hayes
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Posted - 2009.04.30 20:52:00 -
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Bunyip, I also raised this point in Erik's thread...yet to recieve a response from him though. Given the documentary evidence in past meeting logs, you are suprised at the egocentricity?
I'm wondering why Take Care felt the need to start another thread for this announcement...doesn't Erik have his own thread...oh, wait...
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.04.30 21:25:00 -
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Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 30/04/2009 21:25:34
Originally by: Bunyip [sarcasm] Yes! Finally, somebody takes credit for all the changes that were implemented in this game. Obviously, the Take Care Party were the sole ones for credit for the 0.0 changes, the skill queue, and so many other improvements to the game, aside from the fact that the party didn't exist before the new elections came up.
We've merely stated what we have been working on and contributing to, we're not saying anywhere that we did it all on ourselves. Take your bickering elsewhere, as it really isn't productive and I won't bother replying to these outlandish statements from now on.
Oh and Take Care exists since July 2008 and Erik has been my advisor for a long time now. I'm sure you all remember my old campaign site. Got any more fantasies?
Originally by: Bunyip Sorry, but that seemed amazingly egocentric, considering that the CSM is a team effort. Most of the issues you boasted about you didn't raise, and the ones that you did weren't mentioned (medals, etc). You had a good run, now let somebody else take the limelight.
Live Events - Handed over to me by Jade and wrote a nice addendum for that, so check Apocrypha feedback - Check, who raced through the Epic Mission Arc again? Dev/Player Communication - Check, working even now to gather questions for Petur and set up a system that the next CSM can use... Skill Queue pt2 - Check, plus the reply I sent to CCP the first time...
So what are you talking about that I didn't raise those issues???
Originally by: Xavier Hayes I'm wondering why Take Care felt the need to start another thread for this announcement...doesn't Erik have his own thread...oh, wait...
The movie wasn't even officially released yet at the time due to technical difficulties with the flash player (you may notice the absense of play controls?), I can't help it that some forum guy finds it and this turns out to be a massive troll thread eh? As far as I can see, Siigari isn't a member of Take Care, now is he?
Seriously guys, your negativity is astounding. ---
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Larkonis TrassIer
Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.04.30 23:23:00 -
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Edited by: Larkonis TrassIer on 30/04/2009 23:23:46 Perhaps instead of making flashy movies your man Erik should be engaging a bit more on the forums.
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Crownsith
Minmatar Potentium Force
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Posted - 2009.05.01 08:59:00 -
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Edited by: Crownsith on 01/05/2009 08:59:58
Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer Edited by: Larkonis TrassIer on 30/04/2009 23:23:46 Perhaps instead of making flashy movies your man Erik should be engaging a bit more on the forums.
For what? so his accent is laughed at? Or perhaps to hear yet another eloquent remark about his lack of "manhood" in the PVP department?
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zenthral staichon
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.05.01 11:23:00 -
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Toe-curling stuff.
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.05.01 16:54:00 -
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Perhaps Erik and his masters should spend more time debating issues of interest and import to the game and its community than making tourism videos.
Secretly MirrorGod. Apparently
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.05.01 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: RedSplat Perhaps Erik and his masters should spend more time debating issues of interest and import to the game and its community than making tourism videos.
Tell me then, why should we 'debate' anything with you and your friends when the interest of you lot isn't to debate anything at all?
Erik, me and Take Care stand for professionalism, and we have a vision: To reach out and represent the silent majority of EVE players and anyone else that can identify themself with our balanced stance and our transparant nature.
It is very clear from this thread, that a lot of you don't have any interest to discuss anything in detail but instead just go for cheap shots to flame, troll and slander us. Anything of importance which we say, gets ignored. What is the point debating with entities such as you, when you use every tactic at your disposal to sabotage the very core of the debate structure?
All of your rabble and that of certain other people in this thread doesn't say anything about our movie or our willingness to discuss important issues. It just is a blatant display of your senseless confrontational nature, immatureness and unprofessionalism. Qualities that are not desired on a CSM, as we all saw on CSM1 what that kind of attitude leads to.
If you want us to reply, perhaps it would be time to show some genuine interest instead of looking for opportunities to flame.
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Xavier Hayes
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Posted - 2009.05.01 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Live Events - Handed over to me by Jade and wrote a nice addendum for that, so check Apocrypha feedback - Check, who raced through the Epic Mission Arc again? Dev/Player Communication - Check, working even now to gather questions for Petur and set up a system that the next CSM can use... Skill Queue pt2 - Check, plus the reply I sent to CCP the first time...
Is this the sum total of your contributions, and by default the contributions of Take Care that Erik is using as evidence for his 'experience' and advantage he has as a candidate?
By the way, that reply you sent CCP first time...is that the reply regarding their responses to the first formal submission of CSM issues? I have a copy kicking about if you want me to post it?
Xavier
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.05.01 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Xavier Hayes Is this the sum total of your contributions, and by default the contributions of Take Care that Erik is using as evidence for his 'experience' and advantage he has as a candidate?
Are you just being deliberately stupid, trolling, or are you just putting your ignorance on past CSM activities on display here? If you would know anything about the CSM, you'd know where to find a nice index of all the topics every CSM raised, and also who set up this whole system to improve transparency for the players.
Originally by: Xavier Hayes By the way, that reply you sent CCP first time...is that the reply regarding their responses to the first formal submission of CSM issues? I have a copy kicking about if you want me to post it?
CCP basically said the first time that "CCP strongly believes that switching skill training is an activity that encourages players to log into the game and play". In summery, I wrote a reply how switching skills often does not promote players to actually play the game, challenging their perception. One of the obvious reasonings was that people do not want to play the game at 3 in the morning. Another was analysing how the players planned their skills, and the findings were that people wanted to train skill X and Y but instead picked skill Z they didn't want as much, just because it finished training at a more convenient time. ---
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Xavier Hayes
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Posted - 2009.05.01 19:55:00 -
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Edited by: Xavier Hayes on 01/05/2009 19:56:28 You'd have to acknowledge though that they already were considering skill training queue, but couldn't implement it due to ghost training. Also, there were COUNTLESS requests for CCP to implement one even before the formation of the CSM.
As for my knowledge of the CSM and past issues, I know where to find them, and have prior experience of the CSM. You really need to do a little research before making such statements.Nice plug for your Wiki though, but I'm afraid to say it doesn't help me play Eve in the slightest.
I'm still trying to figure out why you seem to be doing all the campaigning for Erik etc, given that you have done 2 terms in the CSM already, meetings are closed to CSM only (hence you can't possibly assist during the meetings) and Erik will need to reply/debate/engage with players directly HIMSELF if he is successful in gaining a place on the CSM. Alternatively, is he going to be the public face of the Take Care party, with the founder pulling the strings in the background?
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.05.01 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Xavier Hayes Edited by: Xavier Hayes on 01/05/2009 19:56:28 You'd have to acknowledge though that they already were considering skill training queue, but couldn't implement it due to ghost training. Also, there were COUNTLESS requests for CCP to implement one even before the formation of the CSM.
Ghost training? Okay if you say so... Err wait, you're just pulling that out of your ass, and it can be easily disproven by the following:
Ghost training = Train battleship 5. Ghost training + skill queue = train <24h worth of minor skills + battleship 5.
Yeah I'm sure ghost training was the big evil culprit.
Originally by: Xavier Hayes As for my knowledge of the CSM and past issues, I know where to find them, and have prior experience of the CSM. You really need to do a little research before making such statements.Nice plug for your Wiki though, but I'm afraid to say it doesn't help me play Eve in the slightest.
1) It does make people find issues more easily, hopefully not raising them again on the assembly hall. 2) It does make the life of a CSM a lot easier. 3) CCP demanded continuity and documentation that can be handed over to the future CSMs. Without the wiki, things would be spread allover the forums and mailboxes, a problem that plagued CSM1. Like it or not, but it is the duty of a CSM to write structured issue documents and keep them organized, and inform the players of what they are up to.
Originally by: Xavier Hayes I'm still trying to figure out why you seem to be doing all the campaigning for Erik etc, given that you have done 2 terms in the CSM already, meetings are closed to CSM only (hence you can't possibly assist during the meetings) and Erik will need to reply/debate/engage with players directly HIMSELF if he is successful in gaining a place on the CSM. Alternatively, is he going to be the public face of the Take Care party, with the founder pulling the strings in the background?
1) Erik has real life obligations right now but will be available later as the election draws closer. 2) Erik has done a great job replying in his candidate thread. There is just no point arguing with trolls that do not belong to our potential electorate and clearly are not interested in what he has to say, so instead he spends his time more productively. 3) I think Erik will do a more productive and professional job in the live discussions than you, and that he doesn't need me behind the curtain for that. ---
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.05.01 20:24:00 -
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Quote: Ghost training? Okay if you say so... Err wait, you're just pulling that out of your ass, and it can be easily disproven by the following:
Ghost training = Train battleship 5. Ghost training + skill queue = train <24h worth of minor skills + battleship 5.
Yeah I'm sure ghost training was the big evil culprit.
Do I really need to refresh your memory?
CCP said no the first time around because of ghost training. Simple fact.
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Originally by: Xavier Hayes As for my knowledge of the CSM and past issues, I know where to find them, and have prior experience of the CSM. You really need to do a little research before making such statements.Nice plug for your Wiki though, but I'm afraid to say it doesn't help me play Eve in the slightest.
1) It does make people find issues more easily, hopefully not raising them again on the assembly hall. 2) It does make the life of a CSM a lot easier. 3) CCP demanded continuity and documentation that can be handed over to the future CSMs. Without the wiki, things would be spread allover the forums and mailboxes, a problem that plagued CSM1. Like it or not, but it is the duty of a CSM to write structured issue documents and keep them organized, and inform the players of what they are up to.
Hence why we use the evelopedia, and not your wiki, like Xavier states.
Quote: 2) Erik has done a great job replying in his candidate thread. There is just no point arguing with trolls that do not belong to our potential electorate and clearly are not interested in what he has to say, so instead he spends his time more productively.
Eh, it has been just about only you who has repsonded for him.
Quote: 3) I think Erik will do a more productive and professional job in the live discussions than you, and that he doesn't need me behind the curtain for that.
He has yet to prove that he can talk for himself without you speaking for him.
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Xavier Hayes
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Posted - 2009.05.01 20:31:00 -
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i]I think Erik will do a more productive and professional job in the live discussions than you[/i]
Actually, you can't really comment on how professional or productive I'll be in live meetings. I'm sure Erik is capable of being professional in meetings, should he get the opportunity.
I've also seen how you are in meetings and replying to CCP etc. If you are hoping to bolster the Take Credit party, I hope Erik begins to engage with voters very quickly. If he is that busy and doesn't have the time to campaign, how will he be an effective CSM member?
Xavier
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.05.01 20:32:00 -
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Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 01/05/2009 20:32:39
Originally by: LaVista Vista CCP said no the first time around because of ghost training. Simple fact.
Blatantly false, re-read the minutes. And I'd like to point you to the above equasion that disproves the theory, as the Skill Queue could have been implemented without being affected by ghost training.
Originally by: LaVista Vista Hence why we use the evelopedia, and not your wiki, like Xavier states.
While Omber's efforts to copy-paste my wiki into the evelopedia are admirable, it's still based on my work, and we reverted back to my wiki due to technical problems with CCP's. Of course I hope that we can use Evelopedia in the future, but you're quite easily dismissing my hard work here.
Quote: Eh, it has been just about only you who has repsonded for him.
Then you can't read.
Quote: He has yet to prove that he can talk for himself without you speaking for him.
He already did admirably in his campaign thread. ---
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.05.01 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Xavier Hayes Actually, you can't really comment on how professional or productive I'll be in live meetings. I'm sure Erik is capable of being professional in meetings, should he get the opportunity.
Well, I see how you act on the forums, and I see how Erik acts on the forums. You can learn some things from him. Such as sticking to your own thread and not making all these silly attacks.
Originally by: Xavier Hayes I've also seen how you are in meetings and replying to CCP etc. If you are hoping to bolster the Take Credit party, I hope Erik begins to engage with voters very quickly. If he is that busy and doesn't have the time to campaign, how will he be an effective CSM member?
Xavier
If he is busy NOW that doesn't mean he doesn't have time in the future, eh? Another one of your silly attacks, you really should stop that. ---
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.05.01 20:38:00 -
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Quote: Blatantly false, re-read the minutes. And I'd like to point you to the above equasion that disproves the theory, as the Skill Queue could have been implemented without being affected by ghost training.
Nuff said.
Quote: While Omber's efforts to copy-paste my wiki into the evelopedia are admirable, it's still based on my work, and we reverted back to my wiki due to technical problems with CCP's. Of course I hope that we can use Evelopedia in the future, but you're quite easily dismissing my hard work here.
Your work was to set up a wiki. It was always clear that we wanted to use CCPs, due to the very reasons you state: Continuity.
While I can appreciate that you put effort into it, it's hardly rocket science.
Quote: Then you can't read.
I know. I'm clearly blind, ******ed AND spread falsehoods, too!
Quote: He already did admirably in his campaign thread.
That's not what I hear from people, not can see. I can see a whole lot of you responding to people and then Erik talking after your mouth.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.05.01 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Well, I see how you act on the forums, and I see how Erik acts on the forums. You can learn some things from him. Such as sticking to your own thread and not making all these silly attacks.
If he is busy NOW that doesn't mean he doesn't have time in the future, eh? Another one of your silly attacks, you really should stop that.
Writing things off as attacks is a bit easy, isn't it? Especially when you started the attack.
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Tyler
Balls Deep Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.01 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: RedSplat Perhaps Erik and his masters should spend more time debating issues of interest and import to the game and its community than making tourism videos.
Tell me then, why should we 'debate' anything with you and your friends when the interest of you lot isn't to debate anything at all?
Erik, me and Take Care stand for professionalism, and we have a vision: To reach out and represent the silent majority of EVE players and anyone else that can identify themself with our balanced stance and our transparant nature.
It is very clear from this thread, that a lot of you don't have any interest to discuss anything in detail but instead just go for cheap shots to flame, troll and slander us. Anything of importance which we say, gets ignored. What is the point debating with entities such as you, when you use every tactic at your disposal to sabotage the very core of the debate structure?
All of your rabble and that of certain other people in this thread doesn't say anything about our movie or our willingness to discuss important issues. It just is a blatant display of your senseless confrontational nature, immatureness and unprofessionalism. Qualities that are not desired on a CSM, as we all saw on CSM1 what that kind of attitude leads to.
If you want us to reply, perhaps it would be time to show some genuine interest instead of looking for opportunities to flame.
Welcome to politics.
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Weazy Z
Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.05.01 20:56:00 -
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Edited by: Weazy Z on 01/05/2009 20:56:58 I think its fine that Erik's campaign is being run by someone else... but then again, I never considered voting for him anyway.
If people were pleased by ankh's contribution to the csm and are willing to take her word for which candidate to vote for, thats fine. Should he actually forum troll and put in the work-- probably. However, you do have to worry about any politician who relies on their friends rather than their actual merits.
Edit-- vote weazy z :P
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Xavier Hayes
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Posted - 2009.05.01 20:58:00 -
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Silly me, I thought the forums were public?
Anyway, you earlier stated that Erik, you and Take Credit stood for professionalism? Is it your contention that cheap shots, name calling and insinuations are professional?
Given that CSM candidates are campaigning, why should they stick to their own threads? This thread wasn't started by Erik, so I'm hardly damaging your campaign or followers. I just will point out inconsistencies in other Candidates 'CV's', as per political campaigning. I'd rather engage with Erik though, since he is the candidate.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.05.01 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista I know. I'm clearly blind, ******ed AND spread falsehoods, too!
I think this about sums it up. I don't have anything else to say to you for today. ---
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