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wowtard
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Posted - 2009.05.01 20:13:00 -
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T3 is the best thing ever because it causes these "I can't afford it yesterday so CCPfail" threads.
If you can't afford T3, then fly into a wormhole and blow up stuff until you're lighting cigars with Tengu hulls.
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente Buffalo Soldiers
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Posted - 2009.05.01 23:23:00 -
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Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 01/05/2009 23:24:12
Originally by: Real Poison
i don't think so. if the prices don't come down in the next month it would be just fail from CCP.
spending that amount of effort to bring new toys in apocrypha and then locking out 99% of the playerbase because not everyone has tons of isk to spend for the latest and greatest stuff, that's just a waste.
It took over six months for the first Titan to be made. Now STFU noob.
-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then --
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Mulura
Need A Corp Name
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Posted - 2009.05.02 01:40:00 -
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Originally by: Elora Danzik Prices are market driven. Established.
Basics put out about why T1, and T2 so cheap.
Prices on T3 will never be competive unless CCP creates a way for pilots to "stablize" wormholes. Its difficult and dangerous to jump a wormhole. It could collapse on you at anytime and then you have to scan your way out, with the Reasonable low possibility of appearing in Delve with entered in Lonetrek.
If we could realibly get back to our base of operations, then W-space would be more of drawn. Some of the risk of production would be removed. And prices would fall.
Till that happens prices will floor at high level. There will be dips but over 100 million is probably going to be normal.
Fixed -.-
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Misanth
The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.05.02 02:13:00 -
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Waah waah waah.. excellent example of how to write a whine post. No flame intended, it's just the natural reply to OP. Consider a few things;
* Prices are set by players, not CCP. If there's "too much" material on market, prices will drop (or the other way around). I.e. supply and demand. * The less materials around, the higher chance someone plays the market, which might or might not have an impact on prices. * CCP's eventual balance will be affected by statistics. A few weeks, or two months, won't display a true situation about how the market will be. Right now the ships are in demand, i.e. prices go up. To get necessary statistics CCP has to give it some time. * T3 was stated on numerous times by CCP that it's not supposed to replace t2 as the standard, like t2 replaced t1. By having high prices on t3 ships, and skillpoints loss on ship loss, CCP try to keep these ship an 'optional', but 'expensive' content.
I could go on, but the point is; Prices are really hard to say if they're unreasonable, or not, right now. A stable production line needs to be established before we know things like volumes, and then if the prices are in line with CCP's wishes/expectations, etc.
Not to mention the OP is outright screaming to get a ship so he can replace his t2 versions? That's exactly what CCP don't want, so if he ever gets what he want, then CCP has failed with t3 anyway. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen. |
Eternum Praetorian
Retribution. Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.02 02:26:00 -
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Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 02/05/2009 02:27:26
Originally by: Tau Cabalander I see T3 as battleship class tank, with cruiser class DPS, at marauder class prices. They are very strange ships; I really don't know where they are supposed to fit in.
As of right now its kinda-sorta like the faction ships (like) Dramiel, Worm, Succubus, Cruor, Daredevil exc.) 50M + for a Drameil that will die to a Rifter. Succubus is good, but there are other cheaper ways to do what it does and even more ways to kill it. And lets not get started on ships like the Phantasm.
Nightmare is 1B isk of mission pwning uberness, but I think that kind of ties in with the state of amarr weapons at the moment. Give them amazing bonus and wow. (A friend of mine claims a wrecking hit once instapopped a BS in a mission)
Basically its P.I.M.P.
Tech 3 is will attract gank like a CNR in low sec (If for no other reason then its coast and everyone will want one on their killbaord) That in itself becomes a double edged sword. I think Eve has just found its ultimate "leet" faction ship. Except this time you will loose SP when you die in one
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Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2009.05.02 07:49:00 -
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the materials arent really that expensive for a t3. their is a good supply of gas and salvage need to make the ships. and the prices of both have came way down. The problem is the parts needed to reverse engineer are still quite expensive. with the best parts to reverse engineer costing hundreds of millions yet. The lowest grade parts to RE from are really cheap but not really effective i believe.
Prices have came way down. T3s are going for 400 milish now and subsystems range from 150 mil- 500 mil. Expect to see the ships level off in the 100-250 mil range with subsystems leveling off around 50-150 mil range. Possibly even more further down the road ( 6-12 months). Especially if the t3 class gets new additions to it. They will probably remain more expensive than T2 ships but still decently affordable. Still not viable for normal pvp. This would be like flying black op ships in everyday pvp.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.05.02 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: wowtard If you can't afford T3, then fly into a wormhole and blow up stuff until you're lighting cigars with Tengu hulls.
…except that this wouldn't actually change the price of them — you'd still be flying around in a 2bil ship. Again, things are not free just because you mine them yourself (and that's incidentally why T3 is still omgwtfexpensive).
Originally by: Misanth * Prices are set by players, not CCP. If there's "too much" material on market, prices will drop (or the other way around). I.e. supply and demand.
…except that CCP can quite drastically change the supply, and thus change the price. That said, though…
Quote: * CCP's eventual balance will be affected by statistics. A few weeks, or two months, won't display a true situation about how the market will be. Right now the ships are in demand, i.e. prices go up. To get necessary statistics CCP has to give it some time.
…this is still true. However, it is very easy to see that a rebalancing of the drop rates will be required since you can quite easily calculate how much material (and therefore how many manhours) go into a single ship, and get a baseline cost from there.
Quote: * T3 was stated on numerous times by CCP that it's not supposed to replace t2 as the standard, like t2 replaced t1. By having high prices on t3 ships, and skillpoints loss on ship loss, CCP try to keep these ship an 'optional', but 'expensive' content.
They've also said that they were looking at a final total cost of 2-300mil for a T3 ship, which everyone who's done the math on the things — ever since they were in testing — has said is impossible unless the materials were essentially free (or, rather, they required zero gathtering time which is pretty much the same thing). ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Arushia
Nova Labs
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Posted - 2009.05.02 17:29:00 -
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The deciding factor in T3 pricing continues to be the cost of the polymers, especially Carbon-86 Epoxy Resin. The price of subsystems is largely hovering just above (or below for the really unpopular subsystems) the build cost.
You want to make them cheaper? Get busy harvesting/reacting the high-end fullerides.
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Sydian Rie
Minmatar Playboy Enterprises Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2009.05.02 17:45:00 -
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Not sure what the big hype is really, eventually you will get popped if you're flying one of these things. Cost effectiveness isn't as good as a well fit t2 cruiser IMO. So why even fly one if not simply to have a new shiny toy to show off to everyone.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.05.02 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: Arushia The deciding factor in T3 pricing continues to be the cost of the polymers, especially Carbon-86 Epoxy Resin. The price of subsystems is largely hovering just above (or below for the really unpopular subsystems) the build cost.
You want to make them cheaper? Get busy harvesting/reacting the high-end fullerides.
That only makes them cheaper if time is free. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
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Katarlia Simov
Minmatar Cowboys From Hell
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Posted - 2009.05.02 17:52:00 -
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I honestly don't think t3 prices will drop to where ccp wanted them. On the other hand, I think that people may well get into building their own a fair amount. Since t3 materials are available to literally anyone as long as they have the stones to go out and find them, people may invest the time to do that.
Personally, I'm not ever doing to fly one of them unless something amazing happens to the price. I mean, I'm not against the t3 ships, but to beat out a t2 cruiser or a properlly fit bs, at least in my mind, they'll have to be affordable.
Nothing in eve is ever really safe. I mean t3 still dies same as anything else, and with the isk on the line in the billion region, i'd MUCH rather pvp in a nightmare or a vindicator or something. Least they got hyper-pimp factor.
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Sera Ryskin
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Posted - 2009.05.02 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Misanth * Prices are set by players, not CCP. If there's "too much" material on market, prices will drop (or the other way around). I.e. supply and demand.
Bull****. If CCP wants to reduce prices, all they have to do is lower the build requirements and/or increase component drop rates.
Quote: * T3 was stated on numerous times by CCP that it's not supposed to replace t2 as the standard, like t2 replaced t1. By having high prices on t3 ships, and skillpoints loss on ship loss, CCP try to keep these ship an 'optional', but 'expensive' content.
Correction: CCP has stated an intended price in the 1-300 mil range. The current absurd prices are NOT working as intended. ==========
Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
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Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2009.05.02 20:52:00 -
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T3 prices are ridiculous atm but they arent as bad ship wise as they were made out to be by sisi players. I can get a 1500-3500 dps tank on a tengu and still get around 250-300 dps from around 100 km out( i think EFT is eating my fits so i cant remember exact specs)a 1500 DPS tank on a cruiser is insane and that being its weakest resist. and thats with sane faction gear( no officer or highend plex)
Until they are more common though they are nothing more than "gank me" advertisements.
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Raiffe DuBoite
The New Eden Visionary
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Posted - 2009.05.02 23:20:00 -
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Caroline Nikon
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Posted - 2009.05.03 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: Xequecal
Originally by: Real Poison they need to stay at that high level?
i don't think so. if the prices don't come down in the next month it would be just fail from CCP.
spending that amount of effort to bring new toys in apocrypha and then locking out 99% of the playerbase because not everyone has tons of isk to spend for the latest and greatest stuff, that's just a waste.
and also i'm pretty sure those nber-setups with BS-like dps, hic-like EHP, RECON-like stealth will get nerfed in the future.
Well, I'm not sure about future nerfs, but right now the ship is virtually impossible to stop in gatecamps, (just fit an Improved Cloak and use the MWD + Cloak trick) and is pretty much ungankable. It even gets an agility bonus, which combined with the huge web/scram range means you can't even effectively bait it. No BS or BC will ever scram it and it then easily warps out in a few seconds if any backup arrives.
did you even tried? If you had you would know that due to the pathetic agility and acceleration that component has that ship is EASIER to catch than a vagabond.
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Seishi Maru
M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.05.03 01:40:00 -
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Originally by: Sydian Rie Not sure what the big hype is really, eventually you will get popped if you're flying one of these things. Cost effectiveness isn't as good as a well fit t2 cruiser IMO. So why even fly one if not simply to have a new shiny toy to show off to everyone.
not necessarily.. I know a few guys that pvp quite a lot in t2 cruisers and don 't loose any for more than 6 months. I would not doubt those same guys can pass a whole year untouched in a t3 ship.
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ShadowGod56
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Posted - 2009.05.03 02:19:00 -
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Originally by: MyOwnSling already stated that this is a typo. It's really a missile bonus.
sadly... it would fair better with guns if you ask me, even if the DPS will be LOL WUT?
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