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Plutonian
Intransigent
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Posted - 2009.05.02 03:35:00 -
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Originally by: Super Whopper The spam that is poasted here is just as useful as the bots spamming scams in Jita. They aren't, technically, violating the EULA as scamming is condoned and they're not mining.
Super Whopper, that is possibly the most pitiful attempt to confuse an issue as I've ever seen. (Really... standards these days... )
<sigh>
Automation of gameplay is forbidden. Scamming is not illegal. Spamming is not illegal... neither is mining... unless you've automated it.
And, honestly, if you think these individuals are only automating local spam, and don't have their mining bots busy in the belts 23/7, then you're being fairly naive.
Let's hear it CCP: What exactly is your stance on automating play in your online universe? The EULA says one thing... but petition results say otherwise.
Clarification? Please?
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Menod Penter
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.05.02 04:00:00 -
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It's a sad thing when a player like Chribba can come up with a simple script to monitor local chat and point out the macrobots. Yet CCP with all their resources probably doesn't have anything similar.
SHAME ON CCP
Another sad thing is that the players can spot the macrobots a mile away yet the GM's can't.
SHAME ON THE GM's
I'll spell it out again for CCP and for the GM's.
The Use Of Macros or Bots IS NOT ALLOWED.
Get with the program and give the public what it wants....
Ban The Bots !
Have a Nice Day :) Menod Penter - Mayor of Rens
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Cerebus Alteri
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Posted - 2009.05.02 04:21:00 -
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Originally by: Menod Penter
It's a sad thing when a player like Chribba can come up with a simple script to monitor local chat and point out the macrobots. Yet CCP with all their resources probably doesn't have anything similar.
SHAME ON CCP
Another sad thing is that the players can spot the macrobots a mile away yet the GM's can't.
SHAME ON THE GM's
I'll spell it out again for CCP and for the GM's.
The Use Of Macros or Bots IS NOT ALLOWED.
Get with the program and give the public what it wants....
Ban The Bots !
Have a Nice Day :) Menod Penter - Mayor of Rens
all ccp has to do is park a character in jita at the start of the server day and get a whole days chat log.
last time i was in jita a few hours the log from that session was 3 meg+ and i was only there a few hours. chat logs are nicely time stamped. dunno how master chribba sorted them out beyond that but i am sure he could tell ccp how he did it to make the wall of text more readable and see who is on 18+ hours straight spamming the same stuff in the same pattern every x minutes or xxx seconds.
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Infinity Ziona
Minmatar Five-Killers
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Posted - 2009.05.02 04:37:00 -
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That longjohn guy made 1 billion a day doing this. One day he made 2 billion.
Wonder if he's converting it to RL cash n just a little company somewhere doing it all over eve. Ganking Buddhist Nun |
Infinity Ziona
Minmatar Five-Killers
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Posted - 2009.05.02 04:44:00 -
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Originally by: Cerebus Alteri
Originally by: Menod Penter
It's a sad thing when a player like Chribba can come up with a simple script to monitor local chat and point out the macrobots. Yet CCP with all their resources probably doesn't have anything similar.
SHAME ON CCP
Another sad thing is that the players can spot the macrobots a mile away yet the GM's can't.
SHAME ON THE GM's
I'll spell it out again for CCP and for the GM's.
The Use Of Macros or Bots IS NOT ALLOWED.
Get with the program and give the public what it wants....
Ban The Bots !
Have a Nice Day :) Menod Penter - Mayor of Rens
all ccp has to do is park a character in jita at the start of the server day and get a whole days chat log.
last time i was in jita a few hours the log from that session was 3 meg+ and i was only there a few hours. chat logs are nicely time stamped. dunno how master chribba sorted them out beyond that but i am sure he could tell ccp how he did it to make the wall of text more readable and see who is on 18+ hours straight spamming the same stuff in the same pattern every x minutes or xxx seconds.
If they ban the bots they'll just use a couple of people instead or they'll write something that does a random post interval rather then set.
What should be bannable is commercial isk harvesting. Isk farmers are not going to have any wasteful isk sinks while legitimate corps alliances will. Isk farmers will typically have large quantities of isk leaving the corporation and be receiving nothing in return. Isk farmers will also have a large number of workers that funnel the isk down to a few main characters. Ganking Buddhist Nun |
Cerebus Alteri
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Posted - 2009.05.02 05:13:00 -
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commercial isk harvesting should be yes.
so should macro mining.
and so should macro scamming.
yes they could vary the programs but banning accounts outright would sure slow it down. it would also get the word across to noobs that might think it it is the easy street to isk making that it is not worth the bother to automate it less you risk your account being terminated.
they could collect data for weeks and lay a big smack down lest with relative ease on this particular issue. take a stand and show that when the elua says you may not use 3rd party software with the game they mean it.
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Fairren
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Posted - 2009.05.02 05:46:00 -
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CCP is going to have to stop this eventually. Macroing this spam is not hard. It's about 3 lines of auto-It that took a couple of minutes to write and test, if that. By the proliferation of it, it's probably already made its way to the sploit sites (tault unleashed, etc). It's only going to get worse.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2009.05.02 05:57:00 -
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Firstly I don't think CCP would need to park a character in Jita to watch the chat. Secondly on the "how did he get them logs", it's nothing fancy uber scripting stuff. As others have mentioned ticking the "Log to file" option presents you with pretty nice logs on disk.
I simply imported them into a database and ran a few queries to sum up the statistics and made this awesome looking web page to show it to you
IMO this needs to be dealt with sooner or later, if CCP would ever to remove local for the constellation chat channel - imagine the amount of nice space noise we'd all get then.
Thirdly, yes I could go with another girlfriend thank you because of the "Log to file" option you don't really need to sit and monitor the chat all day... it's pretty easy for me to have a life while the alt logs the chat (not that I have a life outside New Eden anyway... but still I could haha).
*Listens to Rick James - Give it to me baby*
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Cherybol
Caldari Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2009.05.02 06:13:00 -
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Words can't describe how much I love you right about now.
Can we be buddies?
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Mirana Niranne
Rabid Ninja Space Monkey Inc. Total Comfort
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Posted - 2009.05.02 06:15:00 -
[100]
The problem here as I see it, is that if CCP does nothing, they basically condone spam botting, and you know what that will lead to? More spam bots.
Sooner or later you'll have people setting up multiple trial accounts and using them to spam their main's contracts in every system with more than a few dozen people in it.
Either way, eventually, it's just going to get so bad that CCP will have no choice but to deal with it somehow.
Phear the PHAIL |
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Cerebus Alteri
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Posted - 2009.05.02 06:42:00 -
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chribba for emperor! draft him now!
i do not think trials should be allowed to create or receive contracts, what real use is it? if someone wants to give them stuff they can trade it to them directly.
when i was a noob i did not know what an escrow was or contract in these days terms. it was far past the trial stage before escrows/contracts were even any use. noobie stuff is pretty cheap on the general market, what a 3 week trial noobie needs a fully rigged t1 cruiser off contracts?
no reason in the world a trial account should need to sell or buy stuff off contracts.
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Zel Nughat
Amarr Nughat Corp
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Posted - 2009.05.02 14:40:00 -
[102]
Great job Chribba for pointing this out and for doing it in this way. -------------------------------------------
The moon is a terrible mistress... ...who walks the night with demons of dread. |
Boris Varshavsky
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Posted - 2009.05.02 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jowen Datloran
Originally by: Jalif They should be banned.
Of course they should. Not for attempting to scam, but for breaking the EULA by using bots. Sadly the part (paragraph 7, part 2 and 3) does not seem to cover this kind of bot usage in particular though.
I hope the GMs and CCP in general are up for the task anyway.
This, I agree upon. But banning every single bot out there would require more resources then they currently have and would probably decrease the 250,000 active accounts by one fifth. This means sales decrease by one fifth. Not going to happen. This is just like all other MMORPG's out there; always a bot or a scammer out there, just block him from the first time that he posts anything.
P.S. Asian Trader is one of them.
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AZN Steve
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Posted - 2009.05.02 15:22:00 -
[104]
CCP reminds me of a corrupt dictatorial government . go ahead , let capitalism ruin your game even if it's against your own rules , as long as you rake in the extra cash all those bots are producing and then announce the absence of this problem like Comical Ali .
Hey , atleast I still got freedom of speech
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Megan Aven
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.05.02 17:24:00 -
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First off, I have nothing against scamming. If people are careless enough to fall for them that's their problem (though, I must say that contract UI should be revisited and improved).
The biggest problem are the bots. The logs that Chribba provided are proof that those characters are using illegal methods of copy-pasting chat. CPP should ban them. They should also do further investigation of their accounts and ban their main account(s) (or else they will just make new bots and problem won't be solved).
1-2 weeks of monitoring chat and aggressive banning of accounts and problem will go away. ---
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pincalo
Caldari Ihatalo Navy Ihatalo Cartel Navy
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Posted - 2009.05.02 18:02:00 -
[106]
Chrib isn't trying to bash spammers or "legitimate scammers", but the 999 scam is the issue at hand, these have NOTHING to do with gameplay, they waste contract space. if you wanna scam go ahead and scam, BUT BE CREATIVE, stop copying what everyon eelse is doing, and yes the GMs should be doing something to focus on THESE scams, they make it so you can't find ANYTHING anymore. and the fact that he had his alt sitting in jita all day shows just one little thing chirb does for the players in this game.
also these macro spammers are also causing all the lag that 99% of people that i see who can get the msg out ***** about in jita local, thats another issue being caused by these a####les. its like it was before the speed patch. so if your just gonna post about how chirb wasted his time by doing this your full of it.
THANK YOU CHRIBBA, and i hope this gets to the appropriaate people. and this gets fixed cause its ****ing WAY TOO many players off
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KABOOM!!!!! "what just happened?"
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.05.02 18:14:00 -
[107]
Edited by: Tippia on 02/05/2009 18:14:41
Originally by: pincalo Chrib isn't trying to bash spammers or "legitimate scammers", but the 999 scam is the issue at hand
Not really, no. The issue at hand is the spam. The uncreativity of the scams is irrelevant (and given how blatantly obvious they are, it only shows that the need for creativity is limited since the victims are dumb as rocks — if you want more creative scams, you need to create smarter subscribers/victims… good luck ). ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Huma Tsalis
Gateway Industries House of Mercury
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Posted - 2009.05.02 18:30:00 -
[108]
Cache cleared. |
Lord's Prophet
Totally Abstract
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Posted - 2009.05.02 19:26:00 -
[109]
Originally by: torenna you cant stop the signal
i lol'd irl
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Chris Liath
Gallente Nex Exercitus Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.05.02 19:36:00 -
[110]
So, can SeeSeePee respond to this?
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic. |
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.05.02 21:36:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Huma Tsalis Edited by: Huma Tsalis on 02/05/2009 18:30:45 4 pages and no response yet from anything that's even closely representative of a GM/CCP or maybe the council. Is it safe to say this is on their ignore list?
Or maybe it is weekend and they perhaps want to discuss internally (like ALWAYS) before making public announcements? ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
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AkRoYeR
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.05.02 21:40:00 -
[112]
This thread is proof once again that Darwin was on the right track!
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Fairren
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Posted - 2009.05.02 22:38:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Boris Varshavsky
Originally by: Jowen Datloran
Originally by: Jalif They should be banned.
Of course they should. Not for attempting to scam, but for breaking the EULA by using bots. Sadly the part (paragraph 7, part 2 and 3) does not seem to cover this kind of bot usage in particular though.
I hope the GMs and CCP in general are up for the task anyway.
This, I agree upon. But banning every single bot out there would require more resources then they currently have and would probably decrease the 250,000 active accounts by one fifth. This means sales decrease by one fifth. Not going to happen. This is just like all other MMORPG's out there; always a bot or a scammer out there, just block him from the first time that he posts anything.
P.S. Asian Trader is one of them.
They don't need to ban every single bot. Once they start banning people, the bots will decrease dramatically simply because of the possibility of getting banned.
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Ironnight
Caldari x13 KrautbreaK
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Posted - 2009.05.03 10:03:00 -
[114]
Nice work Chribba, sad that CCP seems to be unwilling to do anything unless they are forced into action, but as they say money talks and even bots have to pay for the subscription.
They're like 'oh **** son, its a trap *Doomsday* |
Dong Ninja
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Posted - 2009.05.03 10:07:00 -
[115]
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II ONLY 2M BOUGHT ONE TO MANY!!!
x50 or so and that's Jita local.
Originally by: Xen Gin Indeed, upgrading an MS OS is like taking a **** into a cake mixture, then complaining that it doesn't taste good when it's all done.
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21 Salvager
Minmatar Moons of Pluto Space Exploration and Logistic Services
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Posted - 2009.05.03 11:00:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Cerebus Alteri no reason in the world a trial account should need to sell or buy stuff off contracts.
"Trial" accounts can't use contracts. All these contract scammers are alts on paid accounts. ----- I'm a collector! Want to trade? See my Collection List and contact me. |
El Kaposo
Amarr Simtech Industrial Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.03 11:08:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Boris Varshavsky
Originally by: Jowen Datloran
Originally by: Jalif They should be banned.
Of course they should. Not for attempting to scam, but for breaking the EULA by using bots. Sadly the part (paragraph 7, part 2 and 3) does not seem to cover this kind of bot usage in particular though.
I hope the GMs and CCP in general are up for the task anyway.
This, I agree upon. But banning every single bot out there would require more resources then they currently have and would probably decrease the 250,000 active accounts by one fifth. This means sales decrease by one fifth. Not going to happen. This is just like all other MMORPG's out there; always a bot or a scammer out there, just block him from the first time that he posts anything.
P.S. Asian Trader is one of them.
tbh, I think, those are arbitrary assumptions and numbers. I am confident, they could, if they prioritize this problem a bit. Since its gonna get worse by the day, I am sure this would be a wise thing to do.
You think 50k accounts are botting? I beg to differ and this a really arbitary number without anything to back it up.
In the end, its about keeping the game consistent with its rules and thus projecting an image outwards, which will attract new people to the game.
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Leandro Salazar
Better Dead Then Smeg
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Posted - 2009.05.03 11:20:00 -
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Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 03/05/2009 11:20:40 They don't even need to ban these guys. They just need to be permamuted in Jita local. Obviously that mute needs to be on the entire account. And if that mute is stealthy, i.e. just hiding what they write from everyone else instead of not permitting to write anything, they might not even notice what happened to them and merrily keep on paying CCP and spamming their scams just they don't bother anyone anymore. And if you are reading this, you have arrived at the signature without noticing...
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Caiman Graystock
Caldari Comrades in Construction
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Posted - 2009.05.03 11:41:00 -
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What goes on with jita scamming is against the spirit of this game in so many ways. I don't even have a problem with scamming, it's almost always the victim's fault for not being careful enough and ignoring are you sure boxes, but when it's chat bots posting 24/7 non-stop it's getting a bit ridiculous.
Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking... Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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Ghaelsto Kakram
Mindgamers
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Posted - 2009.05.03 11:56:00 -
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This has been going on for quite some time so I don't CCP cares about players wrecking the game by using spam bots. |
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