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Whitehound
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Posted - 2012.05.10 20:22:00 -
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Barkaial Starfinder wrote:You can't give the kids all they want, they'll want more. They'll want everything for no reason at all. We always want more and CCP knows this. No need for you to worry about CCP. They call themselves Crowd Control Products and it would be silly if they could not handle it, right?
Back on the topic:
CCP have been changing the markets and who knows what else they have planned for us in the future. Might be that public item exchange contracts will disappear altogether?! Allowing faction, deadspace and officer items to be sold over the regional markets is certainly interesting, but I only see it being useful for faction items and where Militia players cannot enter Caldari space. For faction modules will there be enough volume to keep a few regional markets like Domain, The Forge, Sinq Laison and Heimatar going and because of the Militias. For deadspace and officer modules do I see little hope for them to be sold in any meaningful volumes outside The Forge / Jita. However, I have no doubt that the regional markets will sooner or later make the public item exchange contracts obsolete, simply because of websites like EVE Central and tools like EFT and PYFA, which will be able to show accurate price information thanks to EVE Central.
We now have multiple regional markets plus public item exchange contracts and split markets are a step backwards away from an easy to use market system. I am somewhat certain that CCP will not let this hang in the air forever. Could be it was a decision made purely out of convenience, to choke scams and to see the effect it will have without deciding anything further at this point. They did said they will bring further changes to the market system like higher transaction tax and to make trading skills more useful. I like the OP's demand. She is not against the change, but points out the effect it has on her and offers a possible solution. I am all for a constructive discussion.
No more crappy expansions!-á-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-á-á No more crappy layoffs! |
Karadion Kohlar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
57
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Posted - 2012.05.10 21:20:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:but points out the effect it has on her and offers a possible solution. I am all for a constructive discussion. What effect was that? It's the only critical missing thing that he/she/it refuses to say. The only "possible" solution he/she/it is demanding a reimbursement of the SP that he already spent on a skill that is still useful ie: Blueprints & exchanging (tic for tac) |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
80
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Posted - 2012.05.10 21:37:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Gay Mafia Princess wrote:I do not understand at all why more people don't complain about htis sort of thing. Because there is nothing to complain about. Quote:Titans are a good example you spend good isk and more importantly time to just have CCP nerf what ever you do. Yes, that happens when things are not working properly. Quote:If they are going to institute major changes then players should be given the option of having the sp returned. And when major changes are instituted, they do. Making Titans more reasonable and improving the market do not constitute major changes. Quote:As an aside, very poor customer service in having to be told to offer this in the first place. No, just very poor customers.
CCP should edit Tippia's name to Snippia for obvious reasons
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3090
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Posted - 2012.05.10 21:42:00 -
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Gay Mafia Princess wrote: Everyone seems to agree that the game HAS changed so why shouldn't the policies governing it? Things change, how can me getting my SP back be anything but a good thing? I can see it as a win-win situation for everyone.
Also Tipia comes off as a pretty bossy CCP brown noser. I don't think anyone needs more CCP policies spewed at them.
because giving worthless gay babies treats in a game filled with worthless gay babies means you give out a lot of treats and that is bad |
terrly bronks
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.05.10 22:00:00 -
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Gay Mafia Princess wrote:Darth Tickles wrote:Gay Mafia Princess wrote:Since CCP now allows faction items on the market I want all the sp I have invested on all my toons to get corporate contracting to V refunded, absolute waste of time. CCP has a long history of refunding SP after changes to mechanics. Shouldn't be a problem. Any day now you should be getting your SP refund and a personalized apology from the CEO. I doubt it. There hasn't been anything mentioned in a Dev blog about it at all. This is total nonsense. After spending the time to train characters up to be specialized in a certain area CCP has the audacity to to this!!! I mean come on....
no diff than getting torp lv 5 and torp sp lvl 5 then they nerf the torps :( missles suck over 13 mill sp and worthless... I do lasser now :) not maxed and do more damage they rock
hehe addapted.....
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Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
288
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Posted - 2012.05.11 01:54:00 -
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Karadion Kohlar wrote:I'll save you guys the time to read this thread.
Cliffs: Gay Mafia Princess wants CCP to reimburse contract skillpoints although A) Contracts has not changed 1 bit B) He wants to contract scam with faction mods and that puts a dent in his scamming business
His logic is that CCP somehow changed contracts (again it has not) therefore CCP must reimburse SP's for contracts.
Ergo he's being a baby. No one in this thread agrees with him.
Edit: Disregard above post. He's 100% scamming. Why? He/she/it refuses to answer the question of how this affects their "legitimate" business.
scamming is an approved profession by CCP. Scamming just got nerfed. Understandable that scammers would be upset.
However, since 2003, soooo many things have been nerfed, if i were to get a skillpoint refund for each gameplay item that was altered, they would almost have to let me do a complete skillpoint remap
The game changes, you adapt. If you hang around long enough, those skills will become useful again to you at some point.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6577
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Posted - 2012.05.11 02:18:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:CCP have been changing the markets and who knows what else they have planned for us in the future. GǪand in doing so, nothing has been changed about contracts, and nothing is in the books for being changed about them (except maybe make them better and allow for new items to be contracted). So the fundamental question remains: why on earth should the OP get any SP back when nothing has changed about the skills?
Nothing.
Should they ever change the game to such a degree that the skills become useless or vastly different in what they can do, then maybe, but guess what: the last (and only) time that happened, they did give people a refund. What you're asking for already exists. It just isn't applicable in this case because nothing changed that warrants a refund. What the OP is asking for (essentially a SP remap system) will never exist because it fundamentally breaks the entire skill system.
Quote:We now have multiple regional markets plus public item exchange contracts and split markets are a step backwards away from an easy to use market system. It's not a step backwards. It's not a step at all. It's the exact split we've had for many many years and which has worked admirably for all those year. If anything, it's a step forwards since more items are now available on the bulk market, which is easier to use.
Quote:I am all for a constructive discussion. No, you're not. You're for the OP getting his will for no adequate reason GÇö GÇ£I wantGÇ¥ doesn't qualify. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Minsc
Order of the Phoenix IMPERIAL LEGI0N
49
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Posted - 2012.05.11 04:01:00 -
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So someone has in fact tested that you can put faction/officer/deadspace modules up for sale on the market, which is counter to what they originally stated? AFAIK they needed to add the modules to the market so they could track the average selling price what it that they would still be sold only through contracts. If not then this entire threadnaught of fucktardedness was a waste of time for all involved. |
Shian Yang
106
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Posted - 2012.05.11 04:10:00 -
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Minsc wrote:So someone has in fact tested that you can put faction/officer/deadspace modules up for sale on the market
Greetings capsuleer,
I believe you can. Some of them are on the market currently. An example is a Pith X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier.
And the modules are still being sold through contract as well.
Regards,
Shian Yang
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Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.05.11 04:18:00 -
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Lucy Ferrr wrote:The only time you get SP back is when the skill are removed from the game (i.e. learning skills). You don't get refunded SP due to balancing and minor game changes. Contracts are still a viable part of the game, for example the holding corp for my alliance has 100s of ships contracted to the alliance below market value. When contracts get totally taken out of the game, then you will get your SP refunded. You should probably hold your breath.
If CCP were to refund SP for every skill/item they balance every single patch they would have to refund trillions of SP. It's not going to happen, get over it. I know your parents always told you that you were special, but I am here to tell you you're not. The world of Eve does not revolve around you, so don't expect CCP to appease you at the cost of everyone else.
didnt know everyone else would be destroyed for getting their sp back for skills ONLY related to this change
Minsc wrote:If not then this entire threadnaught of fucktardedness was a waste of time for all involved.
psssst
It IS anyways. Youre not getting those SP back just like Im not getting the time it took to type this back http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1070
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Posted - 2012.05.11 04:22:00 -
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Minsc wrote: this entire threadnaught of fucktardedness was a waste of time for all involved. Not empty quoting. |
Shian Yang
106
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Posted - 2012.05.11 04:24:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:didnt know everyone else would be destroyed for getting their sp back for skills ONLY related to this change
Greetings capsuleer Malkavian,
There are those who still use the Contract system that may not want those points back. Then, if they refund and have to re-spend those skill points what happens to existing contracts? Are they cancelled? Must the broker deposit for them be refunded? Or does that just fall away. Maybe it would be better to have this an opt-in refund ... but then the systems for that needs to be built and one must hope the builders get it correct. 100% correct.
This is a messy change that has potentially large ramifications and it is utterly needless as the Contract system is still well used and in-place. As capsuleer Princess is unwilling to share how this impacts so the need for this can be better gauged, nobody reasonable will support this because: "I want it" followed by a drumming of heels typically only works for 3 year old, snot nosed children.
Regards,
Shian Yang
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Whitehound
265
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Posted - 2012.05.11 12:35:00 -
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Tippia wrote:So the fundamental question remains: why on earth should the OP get any SP back when nothing has changed about the skills? Because the OP sees it as a solution to her problem. A problem you do not have and therefore you claim it does not exist. That is narcissism, abusive and destructive.
No more crappy expansions!-á-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-á-á No more crappy layoffs! |
Shian Yang
107
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Posted - 2012.05.11 12:38:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Because the OP sees it as a solution to her problem.
Greetings capsuleer,
What is her problem?
Regards,
Shian Yang |
Whitehound
265
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Posted - 2012.05.11 12:47:00 -
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Shian Yang wrote:Whitehound wrote:Because the OP sees it as a solution to her problem. Greetings capsuleer, What is her problem? Regards, Shian Yang So now after 17 pages do you want to know what the problem is?
GTFO.
No more crappy expansions!-á-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-á-á No more crappy layoffs! |
Shian Yang
107
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Posted - 2012.05.11 12:49:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:So now after 17 pages do you want to know what the problem is?
Greetings capsuleer,
Other capsuleers have been asking. I've asked three times. Thus far neither you nor the OP have been able to say.
Regards,
Shian Yang
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Whitehound
265
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Posted - 2012.05.11 12:55:00 -
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Shian Yang wrote:Whitehound wrote:So now after 17 pages do you want to know what the problem is? Greetings capsuleer, Other capsuleers have been asking. I've asked three times. Thus far neither you nor the OP have been able to say. Regards, Shian Yang Then obviously are you too dumb to grasp it. You are simply out of luck this time.
No more crappy expansions!-á-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-á-á No more crappy layoffs! |
Shian Yang
107
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Posted - 2012.05.11 13:02:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Shian Yang wrote:Whitehound wrote:So now after 17 pages do you want to know what the problem is? Greetings capsuleer, Other capsuleers have been asking. I've asked three times. Thus far neither you nor the OP have been able to say. Regards, Shian Yang Then obviously are you too dumb to grasp it. You are simply out of luck this time.
Greetings capsuleer,
No, because thus far your rhetoric has been inadequate. Same with the Princess. I mean, how pathetic - you cannot even articulate it? Just goes to show. You know **** nothing.
Regards,
Shian Yang |
Karadion Kohlar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
60
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Posted - 2012.05.11 14:29:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:So now after 17 pages do you want to know what the problem is? GTFO. And what was that problem? Oh right, he/she/it didn't even say because he/she/it refuses to. |
Gay Mafia Princess
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.05.11 19:35:00 -
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Karadion Kohlar wrote:Whitehound wrote:So now after 17 pages do you want to know what the problem is? GTFO. And what was that problem? Oh right, he/she/it didn't even say because he/she/it refuses to.
Makes no difference what I was doing before. Go find out yourself s if it is really that important for you to know (If you know how to check past contracts). If you don't don't expect me to give you lessons on how to use the market. The point is that I can't do what I was doing before because CCP made significant changes to the way the skill was being used. My original intent was to use it in a certain way and that is no longer a possibility. The same logic applies to anyone who may have trained PI because fo the significant profits to start with, datacore farming and even Titan pilots.
CCP if you are going to change aspects the game that people have chosen to play then please give me the option to find something else to do in the game when you make such major changes.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6632
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Posted - 2012.05.11 20:21:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Because the OP sees it as a solution to her problem. The problem the OP has is of his own making. If he wants to solve it, he already can. He has chosen not to, so why on earth should he have his SP refunded? That would be like people getting their Ravens refunded when they choose to fit them with hull tanks rather than shield tanks and get blown up.
Quote:So now after 17 pages do you want to know what the problem is? No. People have been asking what the problem is from the very start, since all indications are towards the problem being one that the OP has created, rather than any kind of issue with the game (which might open for the possibility, while still very unlikely, that he might have a case for getting a refund).
The OP hasn't been able to present any such issue and refuses to explain what the problem is, beyond very vague hints that only prove that an SP refund is not only unnecessary, but completely contrary to reimbursement policy.
Gay Mafia Princess wrote:Makes no difference what I was doing before. Yes it does, because what you did before will determine whether a problem exists or not or whether you've just chosen to do something else. Every indication so far points to the latter so there is absolutely no reason to refund your SP, because you have chosen not to use that SP GÇö nothing has actually been changed or lost for you.
Quote:CCP if you are going to change aspects the game that people have chosen to play then please give me the option to find something else to do in the game when you make such major changes. GǪand when they make a major change, they do refund people's SP. No major change has occurred for, oh, a year and a half. So why should you get your SP back?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Whitehound
268
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Posted - 2012.05.11 21:00:00 -
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Tippia wrote:The problem the OP has is of his own making. First you say the OP does not have a problem, then you say it is her problem ... You will be changing your stance again and again. At least now you admit to see a problem. It is a tiny step forward after all these pages.
One cannot train all skills and one needs to make choices, which skills to train and which to skip. Everyone makes these choices. Some choose to train lots of trading skills others choose to train contract skills for example. If a game change moves items from the contract market to the trade market and it creates a problem with the choices some players have made then it is a problem created by CCP. Players cannot foresee such changes when they make their decision and have to base them on the is-state of the game.
No more crappy expansions!-á-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-á-á No more crappy layoffs! |
Shian Yang
109
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Posted - 2012.05.11 21:40:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:If a game change moves items from the contract market to the trade market and it creates a problem with the choices some players have made then it is a problem created by CCP.
Greetings capsuleer Whitehound,
And yet, the Contract market is still alive and items are sold there as they were before. Pices may be adjusted as the market comes into play, but do you honestly believe SP should be refunded because prices are changing? That would be dumb.
You have no point.
Regards,
Shian Yang
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Karadion Kohlar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
62
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Posted - 2012.05.11 22:25:00 -
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For: Gay Mafia Princess & Whitehound Against: Rest of Eve Online.
Sorry, the game isn't going to revolve around you two idiots.
Still no reasons from he/she/it as usual. |
Whitehound
269
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Posted - 2012.05.11 23:01:00 -
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Shian Yang wrote:... but do you honestly believe SP should be refunded because prices are changing? ... I did not do a check on all items on the markets, but from only three I have picked do I not see a change in price, only in trade volume:
Fed. Navy Mag Stabs on sale in contracts: 64, on market: 298 Republic Fleet 100MN AB on sale in contracts: 19, on market: 42 Imperial Navy EANM on sale in contracts: 71, on market: 469
The price ranges on these items are roughly the same for contracts and markets. The items on the market are already on EVE Central. Fed. Navy Mag Stabs / Republic Fleet 100MN AB / Imperial Navy EANM
In perhaps a year will the contract market be dead and once every player has figured it out. It is then not about what I or you believe. It has little to do with belief... It is about what the affected players think is fair for them and what CCP can do.
If CCP cannot offer a better solution then, yes, they should reimburse the affected players their contracting skills and allow them to put the SPs into trading skills.
No more crappy expansions!-á-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-á-á No more crappy layoffs! |
Whitehound
269
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Posted - 2012.05.11 23:03:00 -
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Karadion Kohlar wrote:For: Gay Mafia Princess & Whitehound Against: Rest of Eve Online.
Sorry, the game isn't going to revolve around you two idiots.
Still no reasons from he/she/it as usual. You post like a pubbie.
No more crappy expansions!-á-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-á-á No more crappy layoffs! |
Karadion Kohlar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
62
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Posted - 2012.05.11 23:14:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Karadion Kohlar wrote:For: Gay Mafia Princess & Whitehound Against: Rest of Eve Online.
Sorry, the game isn't going to revolve around you two idiots.
Still no reasons from he/she/it as usual. You post like a pubbie. Sound like a pubbie? You've been crying over irrelevant changes that had zero effect on the skill in question. Talk about irony, pubbie. Especially I'm a goon so ergo it is impossible for me to be a pubbie.
Also the contract market will not die at all. There are still uses for it which every corporation and alliance uses this to their advantage. For example, Burn Jita had 500 ship contracts up to to the alliance consistently to burn through for the duration of the event. Especially they were either fully assembled, ship w/ items in the hold, or came with multiple items as well as ship. Also other people will sell their ships via contract including shipment methods like Red Frog.
Contract market is far from dead. The items listed above is a good change for those modules because people burn less money and can post in bulk amount rather than individually. Contract market didn't give wiggle room on those modules and if changes had to be made, they were to be cancelled and reposted again. This is a huge benefit to pubbies like you but since you and Gay Mafia Princess are hugely dependent on scamming, I call that a good change for modules. Another bonus about the changes was that just typing "100MN Afterburner" will yield the entire list of possibilities ranging from the Meta 0 crap up to Meta 14 or whatever. Including the fact that it can be now searchable via the web. BPC's\BPO's will never be on the market because it is much complicated than that unless CCP has extra columns for the levels in BPC's. |
Shian Yang
109
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Posted - 2012.05.11 23:17:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:In perhaps a year will the contract market be dead and once every player has figured it out.
Greetings capsuleer Whitehound,
Then in perhaps a year we can revisit this. Until then, there is no reason to make an exception to a reasonably standard approach. Note other cases where New Eden was not fundamentally affected and no reimbursement was done. Like for example the changes to the Insurance payout and mechanisms.
The universe is not run on player whim. And perhaps j and maybe just do not cut it for skill point reimbursement. I think the deafening silence and lack of response to any petitions the OP may have raised is a clear signal of CCP's policy, don't you?
Regards,
Shian Yang |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace n Quiet
77
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Posted - 2012.05.11 23:21:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Tippia wrote:No. The policy is, and the policy says that he has no reason to get his SP back. No. Shut up. You also do not get to make policies here. Tippia wrote:As mentioned numerous times, had you actually followed the thread: see the many many threads on SP remaps in the F&I and skill forums. And yet did CCP introduce a system to reimburse skill points and used it at least twice from what I remember. By the way, denying good reasons only means you see them as good reasons.
Where did you get the impression that Tippia was making policy? Can you not read the policies laid down by CCP? Would you like for it to be drawn in crayon?
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Karadion Kohlar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
62
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Posted - 2012.05.11 23:22:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Whitehound wrote:Tippia wrote:No. The policy is, and the policy says that he has no reason to get his SP back. No. Shut up. You also do not get to make policies here. Tippia wrote:As mentioned numerous times, had you actually followed the thread: see the many many threads on SP remaps in the F&I and skill forums. And yet did CCP introduce a system to reimburse skill points and used it at least twice from what I remember. By the way, denying good reasons only means you see them as good reasons. Where did you get the impression that Tippia was making policy? Can you not read the policies laid down by CCP? Would you like for it to be drawn in crayon? He might need that drawn in crayon. So please do. Crybabies (Whitehound & Gay Mafia Princess) always needs something to guide them since they cannot function independently. |
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