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Michael Corinthos
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Posted - 2009.05.02 06:14:00 -
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that killing battleships in level four missions does not earn security status gains?
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Tunmarr
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Posted - 2009.05.02 15:50:00 -
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Only the biggest rat you kill every 15 mins in each system will earn you sec status gain.
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Jaine Serpati
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Posted - 2009.05.02 17:34:00 -
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Is this for any system in game or just certain systems while in a mission?
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Akiba Penrose
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Posted - 2009.05.02 18:29:00 -
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It depends on what type of battleship it was. You'll only gain security from killing pirate faction BS (those factions that spawn in belts) Other factions dont give a security gain.
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Michael Corinthos
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Posted - 2009.05.02 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Tunmarr Only the biggest rat you kill every 15 mins in each system will earn you sec status gain.
I know that. Your post does not answer the question asked in the OP, is off-topic and irrelevant.
Originally by: Jaine Serpati Is this for any system in game or just certain systems while in a mission?
I did 3 L4 missions in Gulfonodi (0.5 sec, Molden Heath) before noticing that I got rat bounties but no sec status, then moved to an L4 agent in lowsec (Hedaleolfarber, Molden Heath) and did one L4 mission, then waited 20 minutes. Again, I got the rat bounties but no sec status.
So again, why is it that killing NPC battleship rats in Level 4 missions does not contribute toward raising security status?
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Andrest Disch
Amarr Letiferi Praedones
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Posted - 2009.05.02 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Michael Corinthos
Six months ago, NPC PIRATE BATTLESHIPS in LEVEL FOUR MISSIONS provided SECURITY STATUS GAINS. NOW they DO NOT. Hopefully the picture is now painted more clearly for any subsequent responses. WHEN and WHY was this CHANGED? No more useless posts, please.
Obviously CCP didn't want them to give out sec boosts anymore. Probably part of the plan to annoy suicide gankers.
If you think it's a bug, petition it. Why do you think the forums should know? You're way too aggressive.
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Akiba Penrose
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Posted - 2009.05.02 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Michael Corinthos ffs people, when you're replying assume that I've been playing for a year and a half and am not a complete noob. I KNOW that Empire Faction ships and rogue drones don't provide sec status gains. The last time I ran missions was WELL over six months ago. I PvP. I lived in lowsec and roamed through lowsec and 0.0. I decided I MIGHT want to try this whole FW thing and wanted to raise my last bit of sec status without ninja ratting 0.0.
Six months ago, NPC PIRATE BATTLESHIPS in LEVEL FOUR MISSIONS provided SECURITY STATUS GAINS. NOW they DO NOT. Hopefully the picture is now painted more clearly for any subsequent responses. WHEN and WHY was this CHANGED? No more useless posts, please.
wow,, you must be a real badass then
Maybe it was a deadspace rat then?
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Babel
Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2009.05.02 19:27:00 -
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I was wondering this too ....
No sec status gain for popping rats in missions .... ran WC vs Centus/Gistum and nothing ..... But running plexes nearby [Centus and Corpum] I got sec gain fine .... odd.
But yeah - most people will reply believing they know what the OP said w/o actually reading it properly - welcome to internet :) .. Doing something properly [like reading] is 'ghey' so I'm told .... .
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CCP Dropbear
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Posted - 2009.05.02 19:42:00 -
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I can only guess it has something to do with the fact that killing those NPCs is also getting you standings from the faction you're working for. You don't get that from belt hunting. So that would be the divide; sec gain from hunting "world" NPCs, standings gain from hunting "mission" NPCs.
You also don't get the numbers of Battleships you can in IVs from belt ratting, unless you're out in at least lowsec space (probably nullsec?) where its typically much harder to salvage, relative to IVs in Empire. Level IV missions offer quite a bit already, so taking sec gain from them and leaving it in areas where there is far more room for player competition makes sense, to me at least.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.05.02 21:01:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 02/05/2009 21:01:04 My sec standing has been rising steadily from my L4s, although it's slowing down as it's approaching the ceiling…
Can't say that I've noticed what you're complaining about. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
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Michael Corinthos
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Posted - 2009.05.02 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Babel I was wondering this too ....
No sec status gain for popping rats in missions .... ran WC vs Centus/Gistum and nothing ..... But running plexes nearby [Centus and Corpum] I got sec gain fine .... odd.
But yeah - most people will reply believing they know what the OP said w/o actually reading it properly - welcome to internet :) .. Doing something properly [like reading] is 'ghey' so I'm told ....
Thank you for this; relevant and to the point. Interesting that one deadspace rat (plex) gives sec gain but not the other (mission).
Originally by: CCP Dropbear I can only guess it has something to do with the fact that killing those NPCs is also getting you standings from the faction you're working for. You don't get that from belt hunting. So that would be the divide; sec gain from hunting "world" NPCs, standings gain from hunting "mission" NPCs.
You 'guess'? You're a developer, and you post a guess? Why not look at your list of office extensions, find the extension of one of the devs who works in the department who would KNOW the answer and point them to the thread rather than just guessing? When I saw the blue line indicating a dev post, I got happy for a second. Then I read the dev post and became more annoyed than I was previously.
And to make matters worse, your guess is WRONG. I just logged in to check, and I have standings gains to Republic Fleet for MISSION COMPLETED (and one loss for MISSION FAILURE from one that I just forgot about and the week or so expiration timer ran out heh). I have a standings loss to Minmatar Republic (the overall faction) for that same mission failure but no corresponding gain from mission completions (before any of you fools post, I KNOW you only get Faction gains from Storyline missions ). NO standings gains from Republic Fleet for just killing Angel Cartel, Serpentis and Mercenary rats in missions. So no... your guess (just killing the rats gives derivative standings gains to the faction you're missioning for) can't be the reason why the rats aren't giving a security status increase because no such standings increases are being granted.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear You also don't get the numbers of Battleships you can in IVs from belt ratting, unless you're out in at least lowsec space (probably nullsec?) where its typically much harder to salvage, relative to IVs in Empire. Level IV missions offer quite a bit already, so taking sec gain from them and leaving it in areas where there is far more room for player competition makes sense, to me at least.
Do you play the game? Do you play in lowsec/nullsec? Lowsec is harder, it's more dangerous. Even ninja ratting in some quiet, backwater 0.0 is safer than lowsec and there is not only no danger in salvaging the wrecks you create in the belts (if you understand the concept of ninja ratting and are doing it right), but there's a higher potential for faction and/or officer spawns, thus a higher potential ISK income.
However, I am not interested in ISK income. I still have 300m left from a recent 700m contract scam; I'm interested in sec status gains which appear to have been removed from missions (IN LOWSEC AS WELL, SO THERE GOES YOUR WHOLE "LEAVING IT IN AREARS WHERE THERE IS FAR MORE ROOM FOR PLAYER COMPETITION" BIT). Please contact a dev who knows about the subject. Thanks in advance.
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Michael Corinthos
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Posted - 2009.05.02 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 02/05/2009 21:01:04 My sec standing has been rising steadily from my L4s, although it's slowing down as it's approaching the ceilingā
Can't say that I've noticed what you're complaining about.
Also useful, thanks for this. A question - was your sec status at all negative to begin with? Or is it just adding more on top of an already-positive sec status?
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.05.02 21:23:00 -
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Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 02/05/2009 21:23:33 You, Michael Corinthos, are the cancer in the community.
No wonder devs doesn't bother with posting on the forums with dorks like you around.
And how about asking a prober question next time? ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
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Michael Corinthos
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Posted - 2009.05.02 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jowen Datloran Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 02/05/2009 21:23:33 You, Michael Corinthos, are the cancer in the community.
No wonder devs doesn't bother with posting on the forums with dorks like you around.
And how about asking a prober question next time?
I know all I need to know about probing. My interest is in deadspace mission rats and security status increases. Go back to General Discussion, this doesn't concern you.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.05.02 21:44:00 -
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Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 02/05/2009 21:44:32
Quote: You 'guess'? You're a developer, and you post a guess? Why not look at your list of office extensions, find the extension of one of the devs who works in the department who would KNOW the answer and point them to the thread rather than just guessing? When I saw the blue line indicating a dev post, I got happy for a second. Then I read the dev post and became more annoyed than I was previously[/qoute]
1) Why should he care enough of you faceless number to disturb a colleague on the phone? He was just trying to hint stuff.
2) Why should a developer waste his time when if all goes well, he won't get any thank you, if anything is not 100% of what is wanted to hear, it gets rude replies like this?
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Michael Corinthos
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Posted - 2009.05.02 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 02/05/2009 21:44:32
Quote: You 'guess'? You're a developer, and you post a guess? Why not look at your list of office extensions, find the extension of one of the devs who works in the department who would KNOW the answer and point them to the thread rather than just guessing? When I saw the blue line indicating a dev post, I got happy for a second. Then I read the dev post and became more annoyed than I was previously[/qoute]
1) Why should he care enough of you faceless number to disturb a colleague on the phone? He was just trying to hint stuff.
2) Why should a developer waste his time when if all goes well, he won't get any thank you, if anything is not 100% of what is wanted to hear, it gets rude replies like this?
1) My faceless number is another subscription fee. So is yours. He was "hint"ing at stuff that was incorrect (as I pointed out).
2) I've thanked the two non-developers who have made useful contributions to this thread thus far; there is no reason to assume that I would not be equally polite to a developer posting useful information - whether I find that information pleasant or not, so long as it is relevant and, more importantly, correct I will be similarly polite. I have neither the time nor the patience to coddle posters like the first and third to reply to this thread or conjure false gratitude for an ill-advised dev post just because the poster wears a CCP tag.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.05.02 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Michael Corinthos Also useful, thanks for this. A question - was your sec status at all negative to begin with? Or is it just adding more on top of an already-positive sec status?
Positive and increasing from there. From 4.1(ish) last time I "accidentally" had it decreased () to whatever I have now (4.4ish if I remember correctly). ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Michael Corinthos
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Posted - 2009.05.02 22:24:00 -
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Interesting.. so maybe mission rats will only improve an already-positive security status? Seems like a pretty overbearing nerf on piracy if even someone with a mere -2.5 can get no sec status gain from L4 mission grinding.
An informed developer confirmation would be greatly appreciated!
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.05.02 22:34:00 -
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Quote:
1) My faceless number is another subscription fee. So is yours.
He's a basic employee, he could not care the less to lose one subscription fee...
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Michael Corinthos
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Posted - 2009.05.02 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
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1) My faceless number is another subscription fee. So is yours.
He's a basic employee, he could not care the less to lose one subscription fee...
Just another reason why he shouldn't be posting incorrect guesses in response to player questions.
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Claudius Atropos
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.05.02 22:59:00 -
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Edited by: Claudius Atropos on 02/05/2009 23:02:39 Nice attitude there Captain Congeniality.
Since you're so uber and all and have been around Eve for so long you should know that incorrect, partially correct, off-topic, snide or troll answers are par for the course in these forums. You should also know that getting an aggressive, rude and condescending attitude will get you flamed/trolled/ignored rather than any constructive answers. And even though you may not appreciate it, not all devs are omniscient; they're experts in specific areas. Dropbear may not have expertise in this specific area but was kind enough to drop in and post a reply to the best of his knowledge. There's so little interaction with CCP these days I'm always glad to see the blue bars on a thread. Like someone else said, no wonder so few CCP employees bother to post anything lately.
Sadly it's guys like you that deprive the more civil of us a chance to get a question answered whether by a fellow player or a dev. How about doing all us mere mortals a favor and quit posting, eh?
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Mikal Drey
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.02 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Michael Corinthos that killing battleships in level four missions does not earn security status gains?
Factual Evidence 1. i have done a few missions and checked my transaction log for security status gains and there is none listed at the time of mission completions
2. im +5.00 sec status so this could affect the additions of gains but even though i have killed belt NPC, deadspace NPC, and mission NPC the transaction log for my sec gains do not show any transaction past 2009.03.19 09.59 "This standing change was granted by CONCORD as an award for actions performed against Archangels"
Anecdotal Evidence 1. http://npc.elfarto.com/ although pretty out of date you can see that not all NPC's have sec status gains. it could be that the mission npc's that you are shooting simply do not have sec status attached to them. i cannot find an accruate webside NPC listing that shows sec gains and has an up to date data dump.
2. have you checked specifically to which battleships previously had sec status gains attached and checked with your transaction log and then compared ?
3. have you checked know issues thread ?
4. have you checked your security status transaction log and compared with times from mission running, ratting, plexing etc ?
5. if your so convinced that CCP have changed something or you are right and their best guess is wrong HAVE YOU FILLED A BUG REPORT.
Bug hunting 1. have you tried to replicate or indeed investigate any reason why you wouldnt be getting a sec gain. your current sec status shows as 0.0 is this correct ?
2. have you compared security gains from the transaction log with any of your friends when running they run the same mission.
Notes/Other
Michael Corinthos is obviously an alt your corp history kinda gives that away so i will make an arrogant assumption and ask have you checked this with all your alts ?
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Michael Corinthos
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Posted - 2009.05.02 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: Claudius Atropos not all devs are omniscient; they're experts in specific areas.
Just another reason why he shouldn't be posting incorrect guesses in response to player questions.
Originally by: Claudius Atropos Dropbear may not have expertise in this specific area but was kind enough to drop in and post a reply to the best of his knowledge. There's so little interaction with CCP these days I'm always glad to see the blue bars on a thread. Like someone else said, no wonder so few CCP employees bother to post anything lately.
If all they're going to post is incorrect guesses about areas of the game with which they're not familiar, then we're better for it. If they just want to make blue lines in the forum and say, "Hey guys, we're reading this stuff and interacting with the community!" there are plenty of general threads in General Discussion which are not seeking answers as to the details of how a game mechanic works; let Dropbear go say hello in those threads.
Originally by: Claudius Atropos Sadly it's guys like you that deprive the more civil of us a chance to get a question answered whether by a fellow player or a dev. How about doing all us mere mortals a favor and quit posting, eh?
Because I hate you. Every last one of you. Well... maybe not EVERY one of you, but at least 249,995 (out of 250k) of you. I wish you nothing but ill-will and discontent; particularly if I can find a way for any of my characters to benefit from your misery (ingame). Therefor, I have no interest in doing anything that you would find even remotely helpful. If any other player happens to be curious about the topic of this thread, and if such a player also finds helpful insight as a result of this thread, I assure you it is entirely accidental.
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Michael Corinthos
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Posted - 2009.05.02 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Mikal Drey Useful contribution to thread!
1+2 - I read somewhere that once you reach 5.0, only faction spawns like Dread Guristas, Domination, True Sansha, etc. give further sec status boosts (maybe only officer?); it was in answer to a question about how some people get a +5.1 security status while most seem to get stuck at +5.0.
3 - Interesting, thanks for that. Of the rats I've killed, I know I saw some Gist Commanders in the angel missions so I checked those; I should've gotten at least a 0.032% sec reward from that - provided, of course, that this hasn't been intentionally changed as part of the so-called suicide gank nerf.
4 - Yes, I have. I haven't received a security status gain for anything I've done that wasn't in a 0.0 belt (I don't rat lowsec belts unless I happen to see a faction spawn while hunting for ratters).
5 - I'm not convinced that it's a bug, that's the thing. It SEEMS that there may have actually been a change in how the system works and I don't want to waste the time (mine or the actual bug team's) with a bug report if it can be concluded that this is actually 'working as intended' now but simply different from the way it used to be.
BH 1 - Not yet, but given one of the suggestions in a previous post, I plan to scan out a PvE site in lowsec/0.0 later tonight and see if I get a sec status gain from a non-mission deadspace rat (will probably be Angel or Sansha's). Also, my sec status is -2.49 - I'm trying to get to -1.9 but just got kinda burnt out on 0.0 after grinding from -4.4 to -2.1 (then went and blew up some stuff in lowsec; did you know killing a player's DRONE loses you as much sec status as blowing up their SHIP?).
BH 2 - I generally run solo with my dual repping Tempest of (NPC) doom (NPC 'cause it would die so fast in pvp lol)
Aside - Neither of my alts can fly anything better than a rookie ship; nah, haven't checked :p
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Procopius
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Posted - 2009.05.02 23:41:00 -
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Man, you are a complete douchebag. Do you behave like this in real life?
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Tranka Verrane
Public Venture Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.05.03 00:03:00 -
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Edited by: Tranka Verrane on 03/05/2009 00:04:33
Originally by: CCP Dropbear I can only guess it has something to do with the fact that killing those NPCs is also getting you standings from the faction you're working for. You don't get that from belt hunting. So that would be the divide; sec gain from hunting "world" NPCs, standings gain from hunting "mission" NPCs.
You also don't get the numbers of Battleships you can in IVs from belt ratting, unless you're out in at least lowsec space (probably nullsec?) where its typically much harder to salvage, relative to IVs in Empire. Level IV missions offer quite a bit already, so taking sec gain from them and leaving it in areas where there is far more room for player competition makes sense, to me at least.
Have to say I, too, am shocked at this answer. So running missions now deliberately doesn't give any sec status gains? That would be a major change. I am mainly a mission runner but I might go pvp occasionally; I won't if my customary route back to sec status has been taken away. I can't imagine that is a situation CCP wants. Gaining sec status was one of the major reasons for doing missions in the first place.
If on the other hand it was truly a wild, ill-thought out guess then you should be ashamed of yourself. You post on the forums as a representative of CCP and should therefore display more care in your posts. If that was the case, please either delete this post or go away and check your facts and re-edit them.
I used to work in customer service for a bank. If I had been monitored by one of my supervisors just guessing at an answer for a customer I would have got a sharp reprimand, and rightly so. Michael may appear to be displaying rudeness but in the face of this reply I can see the source of his frustration. An answer soonest, please, to a fair and sensible original question.
Just to clarify, OP, where are you reading from that you aren't getting any ssec gains?
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CCP Dropbear
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Posted - 2009.05.03 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Michael Corinthos You 'guess'? You're a developer, and you post a guess? Why not look at your list of office extensions, find the extension of one of the devs who works in the department who would KNOW the answer and point them to the thread rather than just guessing? When I saw the blue line indicating a dev post, I got happy for a second. Then I read the dev post and became more annoyed than I was previously.
It seemed from your post that you thought something had changed. I was just offering a guess as to the reasoning behind it, if it had. I don't know off the top of my head if anything has, but then I work on the storyline/text side of missions, so don't know about everything, horrible as that is! However, I can test this, and get the help of others in our department to look into it, but not at 7pm on a Saturday night. You must realize, no amount of POLITE QUESTIONING will draw the vikings out from the bars at this late hour, to share their hidden knowledge. One does not simply CAPSLOCK a Dev into answers. I need access to things at work and I already rode there once today in torrential rain to get some files so I could work on epic arcs over the weekend. I will start looking into it on Monday.
Quote: And to make matters worse, your guess is WRONG...
Actually, you've misunderstood me. When I say "killing those NPCs is also getting you standings from the faction you're working for" I mean that by killing those NPCs and completing the missions you are gaining standing. It was implicit we were talking about kill missions, which have these amounts of NPCs, and which more often than not revolve entirely around killing them. I figured I didn't need to be so explicit, but ok.
Quote: I'm not convinced that it's a bug, that's the thing. It SEEMS that there may have actually been a change in how the system works and I don't want to waste the time (mine or the actual bug team's) with a bug report if it can be concluded that this is actually 'working as intended' now but simply different from the way it used to be.
"When in doubt, file a bug report". Put all the information you have so far from all these helpful responses, plus whatever else you can find out from your own testing. Having it all there in one place will make it much easier to start proper testing so we can get you an *\o/* INFORMED *\o/*answer.
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Michael Corinthos
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Posted - 2009.05.03 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Dropbear "When in doubt, file a bug report". Put all the information you have so far from all these helpful responses, plus whatever else you can find out from your own testing. Having it all there in one place will make it much easier to start proper testing so we can get you an *\o/* INFORMED *\o/*answer.
Seems like a colossal waste of time for everyone involved when it could all be avoided by one CCP employee who knows for a fact whether this is intended or not can post, very simply, "This is working as intended." OR "This does not seem to be working as intended; file a bug report and be sure to include all relevant information you can to help us reproduce what you're experiencing."
I appreciate you responding again to clarify the intent of your prior post - thank you for that! Unfortunately, I still haven't gotten the sort of solid response I was hoping for with the OP. The Real Life Person part of me that isn't bent on making everybody suffer (ingame) really isn't keen on filing what may turn out to be a frivolous bug report...
I'm not going to post in this thread again (too busy lurking SHC), but I'll keep looking and if there's nothing concrete with a Dev Team tag on it after a couple of days I guess I'll go ahead and make an official bug report.
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Lady Aja
Caldari REUNITED WARRIORS PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.05.03 01:28:00 -
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Standing increases gone from missions? gee what next? bounties and only faction based ships to kill from apposing factions?
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Jan'z Kolna
Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2009.05.03 01:34:00 -
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missions still give sec status increase, albeit small
I went from -2.78 to -0.4 ,sec gain solely from missions , it took some time however
example: after doing Angel Extravaganza for Republic Fleet , I have gained 0.04 sec status , that is absolute number, not percentage ( like going from -2.78 to -2.74)
that gain has been confirmed after Apocrypha patch
Also, there was also issue of diminishing gain - it was easier to go from -10 to -5 than from -5 to +0.0 - this seems irrelevant to sec gain from missions , at least as long as you are negative , I did a few AE in last 2 months , it was always 0.04 increase
You can also try if 'session change' works in missions - while ratting in nullsec ,it was supposed to get faster sec increase if you killed battleships only in one system and moved to another, rinse and repeat
but I never tried this, so I may be entirely wrong
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