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Megan Maynard
Minmatar Out of Order Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.05.04 16:05:00 -
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Shoot first, talk later. That is the only plan that works in Amamake.
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Jaina Proudmoar
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.05.04 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: T 2 Tribal Core is in the Militia for the FACTIONAL WARFARE - cannot you see that - what is wrong with you. We are NOT interested in killing OR helping ANY pirate corporation in the area. We are here to kill the AMARR and we are here for FUN. That is it. And we intend to have FUN regardless of your efforts to make the game less FUN for our members. So please stop the badmouthing people with different view than yours and get a grip to what is important in FACTIONAL WARFARE! I'll give you a hint - the answer is in the name and it starts with F.
Br, T2
It's pathetic if your fleet is being attacked and you won't help them though.
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crockett EXE
Minmatar Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.05.04 19:16:00 -
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Edited by: crockett EXE on 04/05/2009 19:23:45
Originally by: Mal Serenius post
While you have many good points, I think you are looking at only one side of the issue. For you it seems to be more of a issue because you have blue status which grants you safety with them.
For many of us, we already deal with those worries you bring up. We already deal with tic gangs in Amamake and if they happen to roam elsewhere during their peak times. These worries are nothing new to us, because we already deal with them.
The tics are already attacking many militia members, so it isn't any different for us if we attack them or not. There are not many corps at this point, that I know of whom still give them blue status, at least not when I'm flying.
TBH, we haven't had much problems in the US TZ (evening/late night), dealing with Tics and we can keep them off the gate at will. Which is really the only thing we need to do at this point.
If they try to escalate the issue and become a threat elsewhere, then we adapt and deal with it. There are other areas we can hurt the tics other than just the Oso gate and they have much more to lose than the Militia does.
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crockett EXE
Minmatar Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.05.04 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: T 2 Tribal Core is in the Militia for the FACTIONAL WARFARE - cannot you see that - what is wrong with you. We are NOT interested in killing OR helping ANY pirate corporation in the area. We are here to kill the AMARR and we are here for FUN. That is it. And we intend to have FUN regardless of your efforts to make the game less FUN for our members. So please stop the badmouthing people with different view than yours and get a grip to what is important in FACTIONAL WARFARE! I'll give you a hint - the answer is in the name and it starts with F.
Br, T2
Don't you think the Militia could be much stronger in fighting the Amarr, if it didn't have to deal with logistics issues? If it were the Amarr camping that gate and killing Militia members would you not help run them off?
I'm quite certain you would, yet there is no real difference here, as they both kill militia ships, which means less ships on the battlefield for FW.
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Hoggs
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2009.05.04 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: crockett EXE
Originally by: T 2 Tribal Core is in the Militia for the FACTIONAL WARFARE - cannot you see that - what is wrong with you. We are NOT interested in killing OR helping ANY pirate corporation in the area. We are here to kill the AMARR and we are here for FUN. That is it. And we intend to have FUN regardless of your efforts to make the game less FUN for our members. So please stop the badmouthing people with different view than yours and get a grip to what is important in FACTIONAL WARFARE! I'll give you a hint - the answer is in the name and it starts with F.
Br, T2
Don't you think the Militia could be much stronger in fighting the Amarr, if it didn't have to deal with logistics issues? If it were the Amarr camping that gate and killing Militia members would you not help run them off?
I'm quite certain you would, yet there is no real difference here, as they both kill militia ships, which means less ships on the battlefield for FW.
It doesn't matter. If you get rid of us, another pirate corp will simply take over.
Amamake always has, and always will be a pirate haven. Especially while the militia are there.
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Neu Bastian
Minmatar Valklear Guard
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Posted - 2009.05.04 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Hoggs
It doesn't matter. If you get rid of us, another pirate corp will simply take over.
Amamake always has, and always will be a pirate haven. Especially while the militia are there.
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."
Quote:
Neu Bastian Valklear Guard - CEO
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Sophie Starsparrow
Minmatar Cwn Annwn Clan Independent Faction
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Posted - 2009.05.06 04:13:00 -
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Mal, Crockett, T2, and everyone else.
Close your eyes.
Take a deep breath... *inhales deeply* and let it out. *exhales*
And again. In with the good air, out with the bad.
Now.
As I have said before, I have no personal stake in this. We are not with the Militia, though we were briefly when Heretics were. Beyond that, we never flew with Heretics, were never target by Heretics, didn't have any contact with them at all really. Neither did we have contact with Tribal core, Mutineers, or any of the other militia members that have posted here.
I am rather impartial in this, so perhaps you will listen to my reasoning on this.
1) There will always be pirates in Amamake (or any other war-zone). - Everyone has agreed with this.
2) There will always be pirates and spies in the ranks of any militia.- Everyone has agreed with this.
3) It has always been this way, and always will be this way. - This has been stated enough by people on all sides.
So, if you all agree on all these points, please ask yourselves, what is different now?
Say what you want about pirates, good or bad. Say 'the enemy you know is better than the enemy you don't'. The simple facts are this : a corp stated it's intent to openly fire on militia members, and half of the militia gave them permission. No terms, no negotiating.
THAT is what is different.
This is not about Heretics, pirates, or even Amamake. This is about the weakening of our militia. This about the splitting of their fleets. This is about Militia members setting a corp blue, knowing full well they will fire on their fellow militia members without provocation. This is the issue.
After hearing both sides in multiple threads, and much contemplation, I believe these are the only out-comes of the present situation:
1) Heretics will leave Amamake willingly. Probability - Not likely
2) Heretics will be forcibly removed from Amamake. Probability - The will required appears lacking, as does the unity. -a) If they do leave, either by force, or by their own will, it is true another pirate force may move in (there are already many there). This hypothetical replacement may be stronger than Heretics, or they may not. They may be less friendly to the Minmatar Militia, they may be more friendly. It is a sure bet that they will be less threatening to the unity of the Militia than Heretics has been, and continues to be. -b) If they do not leave, the result will eventually be all out civil war (which was predicted by A. Soporific a long time ago). The result of a failed attempt to remove Heretics will be their reds and blues doing most of the fighting, while Heretics continues picking off neutrals and reds.
3) Everything stays the same. Probability - Nothing ever stays the same. Heretics will grow stronger, while the miltia becomes weaker and even more fractured. Or the militia will stand up to them, bringing us back to number 2.
4) Heretics withdraws it's policy of shooting neutral militia members without cause. - Probability - unknown. This is the only peaceful solution. Operating in any Militia's war zone puts the burden of care on the outsider, not on the members of the Miltia. Pirate corps in any war-zone exist by either A) not creating too much of a problem for the Miltia or B) the Militia's goodwill. Not the other way around. If Heretics wish to remain in Amamake, they must follow a policy of not shooting non-red Militia members without provocation. Ever.
The choice, you see, is Heretics. If paths number 1 or 4 are not chosen, and Heretics continue to divide and prey on TLF members, they will eventually face the wrath of the Minmatar people along with all the Miltita corps that have them blue.
They have been warned by history.
Now, take a deep breath. *inhales deeply* In with the good air. *exhales*
*smiles serenely*
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Mal Serenius
Minmatar Tribal Core
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Posted - 2009.05.06 12:14:00 -
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"Time distills everything."
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JIm Hammer
Minmatar Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2009.05.14 21:32:00 -
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How many post exist on this subject now? The truth is obvious. Heritics will not leave Ama and will not be removed by a disfuntional group of "Freedom Fighters" rofl. There are some old wounds behind all this Heretic hating. I must say, get over it nothing good will come from your foolish witch hunt, except maybe for the Amarr, aint that right Neu? Tell the Empress I said "Bite Me" Yarrrr!!
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Sophie Starsparrow
Minmatar Cwn Annwn Clan
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Posted - 2009.05.15 01:55:00 -
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There are many, mostly starting to gather dust. How many Heretics have even been in Amamake recently?
As a neutral TLF member, my corp is a potential target, so we've been keeping our eyes open and... we haven't seen any. Well, outside of a station anyway. Perhaps it's just the hours we keep?
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Midnighter
The Causality
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Posted - 2009.05.15 10:09:00 -
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Numerous militia and non-militia groups are targetting Heretic.
If the militia can maintain a uniifed front against them, then keeping them to minimal operations in the Amamake area shouldn't be too hard and save a lot of careless pilots. *** *** London Pub Meet 01/08/09 - Sign Up Now! *** *** |
minmatar rebeI
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Posted - 2009.05.15 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ophey Won We are not asking for blues. We are offering blue. Notice the difference. If the Militia corps don't want blues that fine by me. Heretics do not exist for the Militia. We offer support to those who are blue to us. Not to the Militia. If you are not blue you are a target, in or out of the Militia.
How can you offer something that you dont hold? Its called Demagogy.
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