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Trollin
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Posted - 2012.05.08 11:09:00 -
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so a 12 month sub will get you 12 days queue until you hit 11 months then 11 days que and so on, until you plex or pay it up again.
reward the committed. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong. It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2012.05.08 12:08:00 -
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Giving game benefits to those who $$$ more.... Not what Eve is about.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Trollin
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Posted - 2012.05.08 12:27:00 -
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Jint Hikaru wrote:Giving game benefits to those who $$$ more.... Not what Eve is about.
17.95$ = 1 plex = 500m isk = ? "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong. It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Sphit Ker
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.08 12:58:00 -
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Better yet. Skill queue can be as long as there is paid time on the account. tadaa!
edit: loooooooooong skill queues are not a benefit, it is only a convenience. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:16:00 -
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No. The skill queue is balanced and works very well.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Buzzy Warstl
The Strontium Asylum
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:47:00 -
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Apparently some folks miss the B&D of the pre-queue days and don't comprehend that some folks have a life that takes them away from the game (sometimes for months at a time).
If someone wants to pay for nothing more than having their character train, what harm does it do? |
Aleksander Erkkinen
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
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Posted - 2012.05.08 15:38:00 -
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Buzzy Warstl wrote:Apparently some folks miss the B&D of the pre-queue days and don't comprehend that some folks have a life that takes them away from the game (sometimes for months at a time).
If someone wants to pay for nothing more than having their character train, what harm does it do? The Dev's simply want people to sign in and play if they want to skill. Asking for 5 minutes every few days (you do know you can queue up long skills that exceed 24hrs at the [/i]end[/i] of your queue, thus insuring you always have a skill training) isn't much at all.
I doubt they want people to just sit there training tengu/capitol alt accounts for sale all day, which is really the only type of person that would benefit. |
Buzzy Warstl
The Strontium Asylum
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Posted - 2012.05.08 15:50:00 -
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Aleksander Erkkinen wrote:Buzzy Warstl wrote:Apparently some folks miss the B&D of the pre-queue days and don't comprehend that some folks have a life that takes them away from the game (sometimes for months at a time).
If someone wants to pay for nothing more than having their character train, what harm does it do? The Dev's simply want people to sign in and play if they want to skill. Asking for 5 minutes every few days (you do know you can queue up long skills that exceed 24hrs at the [/i]end[/i] of your queue, thus insuring you always have a skill training) isn't much at all. I doubt they want people to just sit there training tengu/capitol alt accounts for sale all day, which is really the only type of person that would benefit. Long-haul truckers, active duty military, people with family obligations, people who come upon unexpected health issues, and people who find themselves lacking reliable internet/viable computer access for an extended period would all benefit from this.
That, and having to log in every now and then isn't even going to slow down people who are just training characters for sale.
So apart from what may or may not be the opinion of CCP developers, what harm would extending the queue cause? |
Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2012.05.08 15:55:00 -
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Here is an idea, to recoup time considered lost to vacations or other activities that killed a skill que on an otherwise active and paying account.
For each day / hour the skill queue sits idle, allow time credit to build in a second queue that can run parallel for an alt on that account.
Example: Boba Vader's skill queue goes idle while the owner goes on vacation. The queue sits idle this way for 9 days and 6 hours, when the owner is able to return and log in, setting a skill to train.
For a period of 9 days and 6 hours, the account owner can therefore train an alt at the same time as Boba Vader is training. This uses up the credit that accumulated during the idle period.
Maybe at the end of this period, Boba's owner will like the alt enough to pop for a second account, and transfer it there to use for support of Boba's mining, ratting, or PvP. |
LT Alter
Fisty Fisting Fisters
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Posted - 2012.05.08 18:36:00 -
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The server load, all your queues need to be saved on the server. It is harder than you think. CCP has talked of change but nothing is set in stone yet, keep an eye out on the forums. |
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Buzzy Warstl
The Strontium Asylum
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Posted - 2012.05.08 18:51:00 -
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LT Alter wrote:The server load, all your queues need to be saved on the server. It is harder than you think. CCP has talked of change but nothing is set in stone yet, keep an eye out on the forums. It's already being done for everyone that can maintain their queue.
If anything it would reduce the load on the servers for a given population of subscribers. |
Trollin
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Posted - 2012.05.08 18:51:00 -
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jus saying, eve isnt life, there isnt a compelling reason to require people to log in on a 24 hour clock just beacuse thats the way we have done it for a little while now.
we have real lives, and if they ever want to get past a million subs they have a ways to go on user convienience before they will be able to.
id love to get a half million mouthbreathers from some other mmos in here, more targets is more targets. . |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.05.08 19:10:00 -
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Trollin wrote:jus saying, eve isnt life, there isnt a compelling reason to require people to log in on a 24 hour clock just beacuse thats the way we have done it for a little while now. GǪwhat other clock would they log in on? 24h is pretty much the standard world-wide.
The training queue is there so you don't have to get up at 3am to change skills manually GÇö you can trigger an automatic skill change that happens at the right time without missing a beat and without you being awake and logged in. It does its job admirably and could actually probably be reduced to 10GÇô12 hours and still do its job just as well.
Unless the day suddenly became 40 hours long and we magically rejiggered our limbic system to match these new day phases, there is not much need to make it any longer than it already is. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Trollin
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Posted - 2012.05.08 19:18:00 -
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trollin a troll only works sometimes.
should i have said timer vs clock? is that what you wasted all that time typing for? because i mistype by 5 letters? . |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.05.08 19:28:00 -
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Trollin wrote:should i have said timer vs clock? Doesn't make any difference.
Or, wellGǪ it turns a silly complaint into a wrong one: you don't have to log in on a 24h timer. My skill queue was at one point 45 days long. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Trollin
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Posted - 2012.05.08 19:32:00 -
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its hardly a complaint, a feature suggestion, my OP is pretty non troll
i should say that i am subbed for 12 months so that would mean a 300+ day queue for me. . |
FireT
Royal Advanced Industries Chained Reactions
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Posted - 2012.05.08 20:23:00 -
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Buzzy Warstl wrote:Aleksander Erkkinen wrote:Buzzy Warstl wrote:Apparently some folks miss the B&D of the pre-queue days and don't comprehend that some folks have a life that takes them away from the game (sometimes for months at a time).
If someone wants to pay for nothing more than having their character train, what harm does it do? The Dev's simply want people to sign in and play if they want to skill. Asking for 5 minutes every few days (you do know you can queue up long skills that exceed 24hrs at the [/i]end[/i] of your queue, thus insuring you always have a skill training) isn't much at all. I doubt they want people to just sit there training tengu/capitol alt accounts for sale all day, which is really the only type of person that would benefit. Long-haul truckers, active duty military, people with family obligations, people who come upon unexpected health issues, and people who find themselves lacking reliable internet/viable computer access for an extended period would all benefit from this. That, and having to log in every now and then isn't even going to slow down people who are just training characters for sale. So apart from what may or may not be the opinion of CCP developers, what harm would extending the queue cause?
In all honesty, while I see where you come from.... why not ask your friends who can be relied upon to simply que stuff up for you. I know, I know CCP has it in their terms and agreement that 'you are not supposed to share' your account. But do they really frown upon this when it is a trusted friend that does not do anything negative to the account.
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Trollin
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Posted - 2012.05.08 20:35:00 -
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FireT wrote: In all honesty, while I see where you come from.... why not ask your friends who can be relied upon to simply que stuff up for you. I know, I know CCP has it in their terms and agreement that 'you are not supposed to share' your account. But do they really frown upon this when it is a trusted friend that does not do anything negative to the account.
looks like you answered your own question
there are also those of us who trust noone, yet are paying for a service that must be managed daily even though our lives are not always conducive to daily game time.
working/school/kids/military are all good reasons to let people either queue their sp thru their paid sub or let them accrue SP and apply it when they can. . |
Masterofone
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Posted - 2012.05.08 22:19:00 -
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Are you training nothing but level 1-3 skills? If your going to be away for a period of time stack up 23 1/2 hours of short skills then put a long level 5 at the end, if you come back before it's done just drop things in front of it. Keep a level 5 skill in the que at all times, then if you miss updating a short skill you don't "loose" any time. There are plenty of 30 + day skills.
Besides if they let you que up weeks of skills they would have to let you inject books for skills you have not met the prereqs for, or should they change that too?
Fly fast and shoot straight, find peace when you need it, war when you want it, love always and turn up the music. |
Trollin
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Posted - 2012.05.08 22:30:00 -
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i dont see a true need to make books injectable, i already practice what you preach aswell, though i dont think making skills injectable that you dont meet pre-req for wouldnt be gamebreaking as long as you cant train to 1 until prereq is met. . |
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FireT
Royal Advanced Industries Chained Reactions
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Posted - 2012.05.08 23:23:00 -
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Trollin wrote:FireT wrote: In all honesty, while I see where you come from.... why not ask your friends who can be relied upon to simply que stuff up for you. I know, I know CCP has it in their terms and agreement that 'you are not supposed to share' your account. But do they really frown upon this when it is a trusted friend that does not do anything negative to the account.
looks like you answered your own question there are also those of us who trust noone, yet are paying for a service that must be managed daily even though our lives are not always conducive to daily game time. working/school/kids/military are all good reasons to let people either queue their sp thru their paid sub or let them accrue SP and apply it when they can.
Sorry to hear this, but it did make me laugh. Seriously, thanks for the laughter. In all seriousness. This is not a new issue. CCP already mentioned that they are looking into making skill ques possible via Eve gate. Till then you have to be patient and accept your own limitations.
And the fun part: some people do trust others. Obviously I am not going to delude myself and show off 'evidence' since you already proved you would never believe it otherwise.
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Buzzy Warstl
The Strontium Asylum
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Posted - 2012.05.08 23:26:00 -
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Masterofone wrote:Are you training nothing but level 1-3 skills? If your going to be away for a period of time stack up 23 1/2 hours of short skills then put a long level 5 at the end, if you come back before it's done just drop things in front of it. Keep a level 5 skill in the que at all times, then if you miss updating a short skill you don't "loose" any time. There are plenty of 30 + day skills.
Besides if they let you que up weeks of skills they would have to let you inject books for skills you have not met the prereqs for, or should they change that too?
Nah, the current system for injecting skill books is quite reasonable, because you *might* change your skill queue before you finish the prereq's and then they'd have to un-inject.
But honestly, lots of people don't make it past six months of play, and most of them will only train one or two skills higher than X3 |
Kusum Fawn
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.09 03:17:00 -
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While i do happen to log in every day or so, I think the current system is much better then the last, while thats not shining praise for either system, 24 hours seem to be fine, I tend to keep a bs 5 ready to be dropped onto the queue, (down to one) or other t2 ship skills, of which i still have a few to get to 5
I dont if i so chose to, have to sign in every day, and if i can get on once a month i can pretty much keep going like that for 7 months or so,
while i know that's not everybody's situation, its fairly easily achievable. |
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