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Lag Hon
Minmatar Lag Hon Security
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Posted - 2009.05.04 06:32:00 -
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My wife is planning to start manufacturing battleships but we have little experience in the Caldari series, which would be the more popular for sales. Raven or Rokh. Any reasons supporting your answer would be extremely helpful too. TIA
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.04 06:38:00 -
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i get the best return on rokhs but they dont sell as good as the raven. the raven however almost always have more competetion.. so thats a downside to it imo. i dont build the ships, i just sell them atm, so this isnt of much use to you!
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Frenden Dax
Dax Acquisitions
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Posted - 2009.05.04 06:40:00 -
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Rokh, because you can rokh and roll!
More seriously, figure out how to use the Price History tab. It will show you the volumes of items per day, allowing you to figure out which is the most popular for buying/selling.
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2009.05.04 06:55:00 -
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Edited by: YouGotRipped on 04/05/2009 06:58:42
I would go for Rokh, the margins on ravens are more suited for volume. And it gets plenty of competition too.
Check the volume of sales in Gallente space as well, the're might be quite a few using the Rokh as a blaster ship. |
Tiberyya Za
Bellum Aeternus
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Posted - 2009.05.04 23:05:00 -
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Check at the edges of 0.0 as well, Rokhs are nice fleet battleships.
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Bret Caliaro
Seven Dwarves Prospecting
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Posted - 2009.05.05 01:21:00 -
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Edited by: Bret Caliaro on 05/05/2009 01:21:50 Have you looked at other ships, or this a straight up choice?
I did the maffs and worked out that I could make more profit with the same materials on smaller ships, specially against the raven as there was so much competetion for it. _________________________________________________
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skeljita
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Posted - 2009.05.05 01:53:00 -
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if you want to be successful at mfg'n then you diversify yourself and you dont sell just 1 item. You never know what someone is looking to buy so you build more than just 1 type of ship or module
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Hardashi
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Posted - 2009.05.05 02:31:00 -
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Originally by: YouGotRipped Edited by: YouGotRipped on 04/05/2009 06:58:42
I would go for Rokh, the margins on ravens are more suited for volume. And it gets plenty of competition too.
Check the volume of sales in Gallente space as well, the're might be quite a few using the Rokh as a blaster ship.
This, as a Gallente specced pilot once you get to BS V racial there, you have the choice of either working up the Caldari line since they use almost the exact same weapon systems or going on into your capital training. |
Shadarle
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Posted - 2009.05.05 03:13:00 -
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You will not like this answer but if you have to ask which to sell you really aren't even close to ready to do either. Unless you're able to keep them in fairly constant production then you're just tying up 1 bill+ in a BPO that's going to yield very tiny returns. Make sure it's worth tying up that billion in the BPO instead of buying BPC's. Buying isn't always better than renting.
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Lag Hon
Minmatar Lag Hon Security
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Posted - 2009.05.05 05:31:00 -
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Edited by: Lag Hon on 05/05/2009 05:33:39 Thankyou all for your replies so far. She already has all T1 Frigate, Destroyer, Cruiser and a good portion of The BC BPOs in all races. Now we moving up to Battleships but due to the price cant just go out and buy all at once. Was just looking for a general view on which of the Caldari BS to grab first.
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Tasko Pal
THE IRIS
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Posted - 2009.05.05 07:35:00 -
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I'm not excited by battleship selling in empire. Both raven and rokh will sell, but margins tend to be thin. Location is important. You probably can make good isk at selling ravens in missioning spots that aren't the most popular. Another possibility is to contract complete raven fits (eg, ravens with a good pve t2 fit or perhaps a rokh with a t2 fleet pvp fit). I don't have experience with that. But I'd be sorely tempted to buy such a fitting for say 10-30 mil isk premium over having to fly around and assemble it myself. I don't fully know what common fittings there are, but I recall ravens have some pretty standard pve fittings, sentry dominixes can have a shield or armor tanking pve fit, and megathrons have a pretty standard pve rail fit.
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Trebor Locke
Gallente Round Table Enterprises Leather Rose Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.05.05 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: Lag Hon Edited by: Lag Hon on 05/05/2009 05:33:39 Thankyou all for your replies so far. She already has all T1 Frigate, Destroyer, Cruiser and a good portion of The BC BPOs in all races. Now we moving up to Battleships but due to the price cant just go out and buy all at once. Was just looking for a general view on which of the Caldari BS to grab first.
Because it seems you're running a fairly small-time operation, you can afford to go after the larger margin item to assist in your funding. Keep in mind though that a battleship BPO is a LARGE investment. Rokh's in general are fleet ships, you wont quite see the same sales as the raven in hi-security. However, patience should be your game with this as the Battleship market in my experience is a significantly different market than those of smaller ships. If I might suggest other BS's that could offer you more bang for your buck.
Ravens and Rokh's will provide large amounts of liquidity in your ISK flow ONLY IF you're selling the minerals as part of the ship. This promises maximum isk return for all the minerals you've mined. This will give you the top ISK efficiency for those particular ships.
However, take the Gallente Dominix. If you mined all of the minerals yourself, you'll get a decent profit (better than that of the Ravens and Rokhs). However, this would be an ideal ship to pick considering that it is 'Cheaper' to produce by buying the minerals, compared to if you bought the minerals for a Rokh or a Raven. This will let you deal with volume more effectivly and lets you get the maximum return if you're like me, who enjoys to sit back and watch a steady profit with out much mining work, fancily picking new wines to taste!
Anyway, I hope this was of some help to you. Been a while since I've been on the MD forum :) -------------- CEO of Round Table Enterprises Chairman of the Leather Rose Syndicate
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Dzil
Caldari Second Quadrant Ice Division
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Posted - 2009.05.05 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ji Sama i get the best return on rokhs but they dont sell as good as the raven. the raven however almost always have more competetion.. so thats a downside to it imo. i dont build the ships, i just sell them atm, so this isnt of much use to you!
This is the golden nugget you need. Raven = higher volume, lower profit. Rohk = lower volume, higher profit.
Unless you plan to move a lot of battleships (unlikely since you're just starting), the lower volume higher profit solution is likely your better bet. If you get to where you're backlogging rohks and can't sell them at a reasonable price in line with your production speed, it's time to shift resources into the Raven.
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Companion Qube
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Posted - 2009.05.05 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Tasko Pal I'm not excited by battleship selling in empire. Both raven and rokh will sell, but margins tend to be thin. Location is important. You probably can make good isk at selling ravens in missioning spots that aren't the most popular. Another possibility is to contract complete raven fits (eg, ravens with a good pve t2 fit or perhaps a rokh with a t2 fleet pvp fit). I don't have experience with that. But I'd be sorely tempted to buy such a fitting for say 10-30 mil isk premium over having to fly around and assemble it myself. I don't fully know what common fittings there are, but I recall ravens have some pretty standard pve fittings, sentry dominixes can have a shield or armor tanking pve fit, and megathrons have a pretty standard pve rail fit.
I'm quoting this because it matches with what I've seen. The margin seems to range from 3-7% before tax/fees are factored in, so the net is on average 1% to 5%.
If you have billions sitting idle then it may be worthwhile to run them through the *1.05 machine, but for most people it's just not worth the effort for the return. Personally, I make the same net profit per day manufacturing things that tie up way less minerals per unit.
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Mari Katarin
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Posted - 2009.05.06 02:38:00 -
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Some practical advice: do NOT lock up 1B in a BPO which you have to research for months before getting a return.
Buy some BPCs off of contracts and make a few of each battleship type. Test market them. Then buy the BPO if you think that's a good idea.
Even that approach may lead you astray. I own a highly researched battleship BPO for a ship which was nerfed to death. It (and related modules) went from very good sellers to 0% profit margin with poor volume after just a single patch.
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Gin G
Halls Of Valhalla
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Posted - 2009.05.06 02:41:00 -
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If you have to ask then your just not ready for a kid.
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