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Trimutius III
Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.04 11:15:00 -
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Edited by: Trimutius III on 04/05/2009 11:17:03
The main thing is that Prowler have 2 highslot, so it can fit Cloak + Core Probe Launcher and easily travel through wormholes if needed. And find a way out if it stuck... 3 Other Blockade runners cannot fit probe launcher, so they cannot travel through W-Space that easily. It looks like disbalanced. ------------------------------------------------- I am envoy from nowhere in nowhere. Nobody and nothing have sent me. And though it is impossible I exist ¬ Trimutius |
MukkBarovian
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Posted - 2009.05.04 11:38:00 -
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God forbid there might be different uses between ships of various races in the same ship class.
That said, the other three need something to distinguish them in other ways. I dont know much about t2 haulers. Assuming there is nothing to distinguish them we can pile your complaints about imbalance right behind everyone elses. Do you know how many ships are in need of serious help? The ashimmu is a steaming pile. Munin Eagle Diemost. Then there is the problem that ecm is a sucky mechanic. Or you can listen to the whines about the imbalance between large turrets.
And of course, stealth bombers. Those things put out punishment. When are the stealth bombers are OP threads going to start forming?
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Trimutius III
Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.04 11:49:00 -
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Edited by: Trimutius III on 04/05/2009 11:49:22
Originally by: MukkBarovian God forbid there might be different uses between ships of various races in the same ship class.
That said, the other three need something to distinguish them in other ways. I dont know much about t2 haulers. Assuming there is nothing to distinguish them we can pile your complaints about imbalance right behind everyone elses. Do you know how many ships are in need of serious help? The ashimmu is a steaming pile. Munin Eagle Diemost. Then there is the problem that ecm is a sucky mechanic. Or you can listen to the whines about the imbalance between large turrets.
U know as i think. Possibility to travel through wormholes for haulers is so big advantage that it couldn't be balanced by something else. IMHO.
And i read other threads about ships and saw them. Naglrofl, Nighthawk and so on.
Of course i'm now training Minmatar Hauler Character for W-space farming, but i can't understand why Viator can't have same possibilities for example...
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And of course, stealth bombers. Those things put out punishment. When are the stealth bombers are OP threads going to start forming?
After last change bombers are really better... Covert Ops Cloak and Much cheaper Bombs helped. ------------------------------------------------- I am envoy from nowhere in nowhere. Nobody and nothing have sent me. And though it is impossible I exist ¬ Trimutius |
Ausser
Cybertech Industrials Agency
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Posted - 2009.05.04 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: MukkBarovian God forbid there might be different uses between ships of various races in the same ship class.
This.
In eve, the 'race' is nothing a character is stuck to. You can train/fly everything.
It's a good reason to train minmatar industrial 5 if you need that second high slot. I've allready considered it too, because of this. It's a short skill.
The game would get boring if all ships in eve would be the same, and if we would run out of reasons to skill for something. Everythin has pros and cons, its a pretty imperfect world with lots of fun to puzzle with.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2009.05.04 12:46:00 -
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It just happens to be a perk of the Prowler, and perhaps a good reason to train one.
And anyway, it has the smallest cargo potential of all the BRs, so why not have this little bonus?
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started. |
Trimutius III
Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.04 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Wet Ferret It just happens to be a perk of the Prowler, and perhaps a good reason to train one.
And anyway, it has the smallest cargo potential of all the BRs, so why not have this little bonus?
My point is that there was no such a perk before 10 March. Because this second highslots doesn't matter if there is nothing that really needed to be scanned. ------------------------------------------------- I am envoy from nowhere in nowhere. Nobody and nothing have sent me. And though it is impossible I exist ¬ Trimutius |
Great Artista
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.05.04 13:36:00 -
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I'v had an alt in Prowler with probe launcher WAY before the new scanning system came around. I used it for scanning down exploration sites and hauling the loot. Nifty ship.
Ships shouldn't be replicates of each others, some have strengts in other aspects than others. I'm suprised this thread isn't about helios and buzzard; "BAWW no covcyno!". _______
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Mara Kell
Steel Beasts Sev3rance
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Posted - 2009.05.04 14:20:00 -
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Im allready a proud pilot of a Prorator and usually flying Amarr only for RP reasons but training for the Prowler is allready on the way and i hate to do it...
If there is one thing that i dont like with eve, then its the point that you have to crosstrain. Im all for differences between the racial ship lines but there are some anomalies in the ship sets that are so outstanding that you are basicly forced to crosstrain.
Iteron V: Best T1 hauler in every aspect. It would be ok if Amarr for example had a comparable hauler with less cargo and much more armor, but there is no such ship. Same for the other races
Webber and Scrambler EW ships: Tackling is something you have to do in eve pvp, no matter if you are Minmatar, Gallente With the new supersize gates Arazus and Rapiers and friends are more important than ever.
ECM EW ships: One Word, Falcon
Wormhole alt ship: You cannot avoid crosstraining to the prowler because all other transporters cannot cloak and scan
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2009.05.04 15:25:00 -
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If all things otherwise the same, wouldn't it be more accurate to say that the Prowler should be changed and take the discussion from there, since it is the odd one out? (read: nerf Minnies!!111 - hehehe)
W-Space was never meant to be a solo environment so having a covert ops for the probing then any cloaked hauler is workable.
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Trimutius III
Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.04 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Great Artista I'v had an alt in Prowler with probe launcher WAY before the new scanning system came around. I used it for scanning down exploration sites and hauling the loot. Nifty ship.
Yes it have some advantages because of it before. But exploration sites isn't situated in unreachale cosmos. So it's not critical. And when u're in W-Space it may be critical.
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida If all things otherwise the same, wouldn't it be more accurate to say that the Prowler should be changed and take the discussion from there, since it is the odd one out? (read: nerf Minnies!!111 - hehehe)
W-Space was never meant to be a solo environment so having a covert ops for the probing then any cloaked hauler is workable.
I Prefer minimum risks. Hauling in W-Space without Probe Launcher is risky (if there would be more W-Space pirates then it will be even more risky)
So the main reason why i'm not satisfied with Covert Ops + Viator is that if Covert Ops dies and Blockade Runner survives or WH suddenly closes and separates Cov Ops from Blockade Runner then Blockade Runner is doomed. And OF COURSE i'm not satisfied with such risks. I can risk my implants if i got shot by somebody, but risking Blockade Runner that is alive but have no probe launcher. Why should i do that? I think travelling through W-Space without probe launcher fitted on EVERY ship isn't safe enough.
And i just can't understand why should i waste my time for training one of alts on Prowler when another can drive Viator. ------------------------------------------------- I am envoy from nowhere in nowhere. Nobody and nothing have sent me. And though it is impossible I exist ¬ Trimutius |
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Great Artista
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.05.04 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Trimutius III And i just can't understand why should i waste my time for training one of alts on Prowler when another can drive Viator.
Look mate, I have the same problem... Why can't I deal 600 dps on 60+km range with godly tracking like the amarr, I have gallente BS 5!
A ship != any ship. And thats the way eve should be. _______
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Komi Toran
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Posted - 2009.05.04 15:50:00 -
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Can the Prowler carry a cruiser in its cargo hold? Can it hold a large control tower without rigs? No? Well, that explains why the Prorator and the Viator don't have a second highslot. Now the Crane, on the other hand, is just useless.
-Prorator Pilot
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Bronson Hughes
ADVANCED Combat and Engineering
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Posted - 2009.05.04 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Komi Toran Can the Prowler carry a cruiser in its cargo hold? Can it hold a large control tower without rigs? No? Well, that explains why the Prorator and the Viator don't have a second highslot.
QFT. Not every ship has to have the same capabilities. In fact, having similar ships with different strengths and weaknesses is a good thing. You want to fly a Blockade Runner with two high slots? Train for a Prowler. You want to haul bigger stuff? Train for something else.
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